(11-29-2018 11:53 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 11:17 AM)AndShock Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 09:49 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 09:08 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  I just think what’s concerning about this game is not that Houston couldn’t hit 3’s. It’s that the other team couldn’t hit a 3, and just shot 34% and still almost beat Houston.




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We've has this discussion before... No one is going to be able to shoot 3s on Houston like that

Our defensive strength is the guard, every single one of our top 5 guards can strap anyone down..I've seen an airballed 3 every game this year of players attempting to shoot over Armoni or Nate

Your post is like saying "they almost beat Cincy/UCF and weren't making there shots either"

If you are trying to find something concerning besides Armonk and Corey starting the game 1 of 20 combined, while taking most of our shots, it's that they outrebounded us badly especially in the 1st half.
Every other game weve had easy put back points

Major mental gymnastics going on here.

facts are facts my friend

fau beat UCF and shot less than 40% in the paint.."imagine if faus layups were going in" theyd have blown out ucf

if i said that it was tacko/smith/brown and their proven post defense that prevented them from making post points and not fau missing layups, that fau was never going to score a high percentage in the paint vs ucf... is that mental gynmastics ????

should we bring up highlights from when houston played wichta when corey and galen strapped yall shooters down?

mental gynmastics is saying it was okay...i literally said he is looking at the wrong concerning thing...the real issue is that the out rebounded us

So Facts are facts:

Here are the facts about the teams Houston has played this year and there 3pt%:

Alabama A&M: 28.3% (#310 in the nation)
Rice: 34.5% ( #153)
Northwestern State: 25.7% (#338)
BYU: 27.8 ( #318)
UT Rio Grande Valley: 25.9% ( #336)



LOL Houston has literally played some of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the country. Literally one team you've played had a decent shooting percentage and it stills just middle of the pack.

ALSO Keep in mind, that Middle of the pack team (RICE) powered in 11 3 pointers against Houston and shot their highest percentages and made the 2nd most 3's they've made all year against Houston.

Literally the FACTS show that only 1 team in your 5 games was against a decent 3 point shooting team and they just so happened to shoot one of their best games of the season against you and when that same Rice team played WSU, they shot terribly. Rice only shoots well against You and low grade mid majors.



So.... You literally have ZERO ground to stand on by saying your defense doesn't allow 3 point shooting.


Thats FACT. Not opinion.


Also... I'll dig a little further for you.

In the 5 games that houston played, they've only held a team under their season average of 3pt % 1 time and that was....... Last night

A&M: season AVG: 28.3 to 33% against Houston
Rice: season AVG: 34.5 to 41% against Houston
Northwestern State: season AVG: 25.7% to 29% against Houston
BYU: season AVG: 27.8 to 29% against Houston




"Facts" Lol



The real facts say: Houston hasn't played a good 3 point shooting team all year and when they did play a decent one, they poured in 11 3's. Also bad shooting teams tend to shoot a higher than normal percentage against Houston.

(11-29-2018 11:53 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 11:17 AM)AndShock Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 09:49 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 09:08 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  I just think what’s concerning about this game is not that Houston couldn’t hit 3’s. It’s that the other team couldn’t hit a 3, and just shot 34% and still almost beat Houston.




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We've has this discussion before... No one is going to be able to shoot 3s on Houston like that

Our defensive strength is the guard, every single one of our top 5 guards can strap anyone down..I've seen an airballed 3 every game this year of players attempting to shoot over Armoni or Nate

Your post is like saying "they almost beat Cincy/UCF and weren't making there shots either"

If you are trying to find something concerning besides Armonk and Corey starting the game 1 of 20 combined, while taking most of our shots, it's that they outrebounded us badly especially in the 1st half.
Every other game weve had easy put back points

Major mental gymnastics going on here.

should we bring up highlights from when houston played wichta when corey and galen strapped yall shooters down?

BRUH... Why do you always pretend that the first game against Wichita State didn't happen? You realize they pounded your guts that night and beat you by 18 points. They shot 44% from 3 and made 12 3's that night and "Strapped Yall Shooters down" and held Houston to 4-15 from 3.

(11-29-2018 12:13 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 11:53 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 11:17 AM)AndShock Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 09:49 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 09:08 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  I just think what’s concerning about this game is not that Houston couldn’t hit 3’s. It’s that the other team couldn’t hit a 3, and just shot 34% and still almost beat Houston.




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We've has this discussion before... No one is going to be able to shoot 3s on Houston like that

Our defensive strength is the guard, every single one of our top 5 guards can strap anyone down..I've seen an airballed 3 every game this year of players attempting to shoot over Armoni or Nate

Your post is like saying "they almost beat Cincy/UCF and weren't making there shots either"

If you are trying to find something concerning besides Armonk and Corey starting the game 1 of 20 combined, while taking most of our shots, it's that they outrebounded us badly especially in the 1st half.
Every other game weve had easy put back points

Major mental gymnastics going on here.

facts are facts my friend

fau beat UCF and shot less than 40% in the paint.."imagine if faus layups were going in" theyd have blown out ucf

if i said that it was tacko/smith/brown and their proven post defense that prevented them from making post points and not fau missing layups, that fau was never going to score a high percentage in the paint vs ucf... is that mental gynmastics ????

should we bring up highlights from when houston played wichta when corey and galen strapped yall shooters down?

mental gynmastics is saying it was okay...i literally said he is looking at the wrong concerning thing...the real issue is that the out rebounded us

So Facts are facts:

Here are the facts about the teams Houston has played this year and there 3pt%:

Alabama A&M: 28.3% (#310 in the nation)
Rice: 34.5% ( #153)
Northwestern State: 25.7% (#338)
BYU: 27.8 ( #318)
UT Rio Grande Valley: 25.9% ( #336)



LOL Houston has literally played some of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the country. Literally one team you've played had a decent shooting percentage and it stills just middle of the pack.

ALSO Keep in mind, that Middle of the pack team (RICE) powered in 11 3 pointers against Houston and shot their highest percentages and made the 2nd most 3's they've made all year against Houston.

Literally the FACTS show that only 1 team in your 5 games was against a decent 3 point shooting team and they just so happened to shoot one of there best game of the season against you and when that same Rice team played WSU, they shot terribly. Rice only shoots well against You and low grade mid majors.



So.... You literally have ZERO ground to stand on by saying your defense doesn't allow 3 point shooting.


Thats FACT. Not opinion.


Also... I'll dig a little further for you.

In the 5 games that houston played, they've only held a team under their season average of 3pt % 1 time and that was....... Last night

A&M: season AVG: 28.3 to 33% against Houston
Rice: season AVG: 34.5 to 41% against Houston
Northwestern State: season AVG: 25.7% to 29% against Houston
BYU: season AVG: 27.8 to 29% against Houston




"Facts" Lol

so you are saying houston got a new roster with a whole new set of players than last year?

every defensive piece from last years team is still on the roster...trying to scope it down to this season is weak

and using "below their average" when we are 6 games into the season is even weaker

cincy lost to the #9 projected big 10 team and beat the dead last projected sec team and cincy fans are now super hyped up...and you are replacing more bigger pieces than houston..im sure you areant using any of cincys previous success in your projections *sarcasm*

(11-29-2018 12:23 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  BRUH... Why do you always pretend that the first game against Wichita State didn't happen? You realize they pounded your guts that night and beat you by 18 points. They shot 44% from 3 and made 12 3's that night and "Strapped Yall Shooters down" and held Houston to 4-15 from 3.

i dont pretend it didnt happen, that was the defining point of last season... if we didnt lose as bad as we did last season is completely different

it was at that point that sampson decided to reemphazie the defense....prior to that game the identity was to try and outscore teams

after the 2nd wichita game sampson said the team had to make adjustments to make sure that wouldnt happen again, and you now see what happens when we do

since that game no 3pt shooting teams or guards (Sans jalen adams) have been succesful vs us....even michigan despite them beating us

(11-29-2018 12:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 12:13 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 11:53 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 11:17 AM)AndShock Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 09:49 AM)pesik Wrote:  We've has this discussion before... No one is going to be able to shoot 3s on Houston like that

Our defensive strength is the guard, every single one of our top 5 guards can strap anyone down..I've seen an airballed 3 every game this year of players attempting to shoot over Armoni or Nate

Your post is like saying "they almost beat Cincy/UCF and weren't making there shots either"

If you are trying to find something concerning besides Armonk and Corey starting the game 1 of 20 combined, while taking most of our shots, it's that they outrebounded us badly especially in the 1st half.
Every other game weve had easy put back points

Major mental gymnastics going on here.

facts are facts my friend

fau beat UCF and shot less than 40% in the paint.."imagine if faus layups were going in" theyd have blown out ucf

if i said that it was tacko/smith/brown and their proven post defense that prevented them from making post points and not fau missing layups, that fau was never going to score a high percentage in the paint vs ucf... is that mental gynmastics ????

should we bring up highlights from when houston played wichta when corey and galen strapped yall shooters down?

mental gynmastics is saying it was okay...i literally said he is looking at the wrong concerning thing...the real issue is that the out rebounded us

So Facts are facts:

Here are the facts about the teams Houston has played this year and there 3pt%:

Alabama A&M: 28.3% (#310 in the nation)
Rice: 34.5% ( #153)
Northwestern State: 25.7% (#338)
BYU: 27.8 ( #318)
UT Rio Grande Valley: 25.9% ( #336)



LOL Houston has literally played some of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the country. Literally one team you've played had a decent shooting percentage and it stills just middle of the pack.

ALSO Keep in mind, that Middle of the pack team (RICE) powered in 11 3 pointers against Houston and shot their highest percentages and made the 2nd most 3's they've made all year against Houston.

Literally the FACTS show that only 1 team in your 5 games was against a decent 3 point shooting team and they just so happened to shoot one of there best game of the season against you and when that same Rice team played WSU, they shot terribly. Rice only shoots well against You and low grade mid majors.



So.... You literally have ZERO ground to stand on by saying your defense doesn't allow 3 point shooting.


Thats FACT. Not opinion.


Also... I'll dig a little further for you.

In the 5 games that houston played, they've only held a team under their season average of 3pt % 1 time and that was....... Last night

A&M: season AVG: 28.3 to 33% against Houston
Rice: season AVG: 34.5 to 41% against Houston
Northwestern State: season AVG: 25.7% to 29% against Houston
BYU: season AVG: 27.8 to 29% against Houston




"Facts" Lol

so you are saying houston got a new roster with a whole new set of players than last year?

every defensive piece from last years team is still on the roster...trying to scope it down to this season is weak

and using "below their aveage" when we are 6 games into the season is even weaker

cincy lost to the #9 projected big 10 team and beat the dead last projected sec team and cincy fans are now super hyped up...and you are replacing more bigger pieces than houston..im sure you areant using any of cicns previous success in your projections *sarcasm*

Lol. I just wanted to talk facts with you brah.




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(11-29-2018 11:33 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 10:31 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  OSU > UC
UConn > Syracuse
Syracuse > OSU
UConn > UC

Charleston > Memphis

USF > Ohio
Ohio > Campbell
Campbell > UNCW
UNCW > ECU

USF > ECU

Hey, I like this game - we're not in the basement!

USFFan

(11-29-2018 12:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 12:13 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 11:53 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 11:17 AM)AndShock Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 09:49 AM)pesik Wrote:  We've has this discussion before... No one is going to be able to shoot 3s on Houston like that

Our defensive strength is the guard, every single one of our top 5 guards can strap anyone down..I've seen an airballed 3 every game this year of players attempting to shoot over Armoni or Nate

Your post is like saying "they almost beat Cincy/UCF and weren't making there shots either"

If you are trying to find something concerning besides Armonk and Corey starting the game 1 of 20 combined, while taking most of our shots, it's that they outrebounded us badly especially in the 1st half.
Every other game weve had easy put back points

Major mental gymnastics going on here.

facts are facts my friend

fau beat UCF and shot less than 40% in the paint.."imagine if faus layups were going in" theyd have blown out ucf

if i said that it was tacko/smith/brown and their proven post defense that prevented them from making post points and not fau missing layups, that fau was never going to score a high percentage in the paint vs ucf... is that mental gynmastics ????

should we bring up highlights from when houston played wichta when corey and galen strapped yall shooters down?

mental gynmastics is saying it was okay...i literally said he is looking at the wrong concerning thing...the real issue is that the out rebounded us

So Facts are facts:

Here are the facts about the teams Houston has played this year and there 3pt%:

Alabama A&M: 28.3% (#310 in the nation)
Rice: 34.5% ( #153)
Northwestern State: 25.7% (#338)
BYU: 27.8 ( #318)
UT Rio Grande Valley: 25.9% ( #336)



LOL Houston has literally played some of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the country. Literally one team you've played had a decent shooting percentage and it stills just middle of the pack.

ALSO Keep in mind, that Middle of the pack team (RICE) powered in 11 3 pointers against Houston and shot their highest percentages and made the 2nd most 3's they've made all year against Houston.

Literally the FACTS show that only 1 team in your 5 games was against a decent 3 point shooting team and they just so happened to shoot one of there best game of the season against you and when that same Rice team played WSU, they shot terribly. Rice only shoots well against You and low grade mid majors.



So.... You literally have ZERO ground to stand on by saying your defense doesn't allow 3 point shooting.


Thats FACT. Not opinion.


Also... I'll dig a little further for you.

In the 5 games that houston played, they've only held a team under their season average of 3pt % 1 time and that was....... Last night

A&M: season AVG: 28.3 to 33% against Houston
Rice: season AVG: 34.5 to 41% against Houston
Northwestern State: season AVG: 25.7% to 29% against Houston
BYU: season AVG: 27.8 to 29% against Houston




"Facts" Lol

so you are saying houston got a new roster with a whole new set of players than last year?

every defensive piece from last years team is still on the roster...trying to scope it down to this season is weak

and using "below their aveage" when we are 6 games into the season is even weaker

cincy lost to the #9 projected big 10 team and beat the dead last projected sec team and cincy fans are now super hyped up...and you are replacing more bigger pieces than houston..im sure you areant using any of cicns previous success in your projections *sarcasm*

And why are you so hung up on preseason rankings? We lost to OSU, who will not finish 9th in the Big 10 and has 2 road wins against Creighton and UC. They struggled last night but are much better than expected.

Same for Ole Miss... will be better than expected.


I mean, the win that you are hanging your hat on, just lost to a Missouri Valley team last night. They aren't a tourney team. They won't win their league and they will be lucky to finish in the kenpom top 100 by seasons end.


But none of that matters. UC fans aren't getting excited because of who they've beaten. They are excited because they have progressively gotten better every single game.


As for 3 point defense.


My man point is that your team has played 4 opponents who have all shoot under 30%. UC, who hasn't played an insane schedule at all, has played just 1 team who shoots under 30% and that was Arkansas Pine Bluff.

When it comes to 3pt% SOS houston would have to be some where near last play. None of the teams they have played can shoot.

(11-29-2018 12:50 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  And why are you so hung up on preseason rankings? We lost to OSU, who will not finish 9th in the Big 10 and has 2 road wins against Creighton and UC. They struggled last night but are much better than expected.

Same for Ole Miss... will be better than expected.


I mean, the win that you are hanging your hat on, just lost to a Missouri Valley team last night. They aren't a tourney team. They won't win their league and they will be lucky to finish in the kenpom top 100 by seasons end.


But none of that matters. UC fans aren't getting excited because of who they've beaten. They are excited because they have progressively gotten better every single game.


As for 3 point defense.


My man point is that your team has played 4 opponents who have all shoot under 30%. UC, who hasn't played an insane schedule at all, has played just 1 team who shoots under 30% and that was Arkansas Pine Bluff.

When it comes to 3pt% SOS houston would have to be some where near last play. None of the teams they have played can shoot.

byu only lost to illinois state becuase yoeli childs (their best player) fouled out and they were ahead with him in (he had 27point at the time)...they were up more than 10 most of the game....

and stop trying to pretend illiionois state is bad

also one of byus best players is on a 9 game suspension and is back after their next game

byu will almost certainly be a top 75 team...and potentially top 50 ...they wont win their league becuase gonzaga is in the league but they will finish #2

(11-29-2018 01:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 12:50 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  And why are you so hung up on preseason rankings? We lost to OSU, who will not finish 9th in the Big 10 and has 2 road wins against Creighton and UC. They struggled last night but are much better than expected.

Same for Ole Miss... will be better than expected.


I mean, the win that you are hanging your hat on, just lost to a Missouri Valley team last night. They aren't a tourney team. They won't win their league and they will be lucky to finish in the kenpom top 100 by seasons end.


But none of that matters. UC fans aren't getting excited because of who they've beaten. They are excited because they have progressively gotten better every single game.


As for 3 point defense.


My man point is that your team has played 4 opponents who have all shoot under 30%. UC, who hasn't played an insane schedule at all, has played just 1 team who shoots under 30% and that was Arkansas Pine Bluff.

When it comes to 3pt% SOS houston would have to be some where near last play. None of the teams they have played can shoot.

byu only lost to illinois state becuase yoeli childs (their best player) fouled out and they were ahead with him in (he had 27point at the time)...they were up more than 10 most of the game....

and stop trying to pretend illiionois state is bad

also one of byus best players is on a 9 game suspension and is back after their next game

byu will almost certainly be a top 75 team...and potentially top 50 ...they wont win their league becuase gonzaga is in the league but they will finish #2

Illinois state is 60 spots worse then BYU in kenpom

Very good chance they lose to Utah and Utah state




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Some of you guys are amusing.

Corey and Armoni shot a combined 5-20 from three point land last night. That will never happen again. We are playing two freshmen a lot in Alley and Hinton. We’re missing our starting PF and our 6th man. And there is no doubt they were looking ahead to the opening of the Fertitta Center against Oregon on Saturday.

Last year, we lost to Drexel and still ended up a six seed and a lucky shot away from the Sweet 16. It’s November. These things happen. Nova has lost to Furman. Oregon has lost to TSU. It’s basketball.

One thing that is interesting to me is how slow Houston is playing on offense.


You'd think that with so many shooters and athletes that they'd want to play pretty fast and get rhythm 3's up.


But as of today, Houston actually plays slower offense than UC. Which is weird. Sampson has adapted his brand of basketball to the top of the league. UC plays defense and plays slow and methodical. Now Sampson is doing the same.


Or maybe its too early to tell. Just an odd stat I stumbled across

(11-29-2018 03:05 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  One thing that is interesting to me is how slow Houston is playing on offense.


You'd think that with so many shooters and athletes that they'd want to play pretty fast and get rhythm 3's up.


But as of today, Houston actually plays slower offense than UC. Which is weird. Sampson has adapted his brand of basketball to the top of the league. UC plays defense and plays slow and methodical. Now Sampson is doing the same.


Or maybe its too early to tell. Just an odd stat I stumbled across

i think you are mixing pace with playing scared (dont want to get chewed out by coach)

corey and armoni* are the only confident shooters on the team
(asterik next to armoni, he was scared to shoot vs utrgv, he is in a shooting slump and i think its affecting his confidnce)
(another side note: hinton isnt scared to shoot, but sampson is restricting him from shooting as his shot slection isnt always great)

we have lots of high precentage shooters but most wont shoot it unless its wide open, it was evident in nwst when corey sat out the 1st half , every posession they just keep passing until the shot clock ran out. when corey came in he was shooting 3 seconds into the shot clock

i think the design of the offense is too push the pace not slow it down

(11-29-2018 03:21 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 03:05 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  One thing that is interesting to me is how slow Houston is playing on offense.


You'd think that with so many shooters and athletes that they'd want to play pretty fast and get rhythm 3's up.


But as of today, Houston actually plays slower offense than UC. Which is weird. Sampson has adapted his brand of basketball to the top of the league. UC plays defense and plays slow and methodical. Now Sampson is doing the same.


Or maybe its too early to tell. Just an odd stat I stumbled across

i think you are mixing pace with playing scared (dont want to get chewed out by coach)

corey and armoni* are the only confident shooters on the team
(asterik next to armoni, he was scared to shoot vs utrgv, he is in a shooting slump and i think its affecting his confidnce)
(another side note: hinton isnt scared to shoot, but sampson is restricting him from shooting as his shot slection isnt always great)

we have lots of high precentage shooters but most wont shoot it unless its wide open, it was evident in nwst when corey sat out the 1st half , every posession they just keep passing until the shot clock ran out. when corey came in he was shooting 3 seconds into the shot clock

i think the design of the offense is too push the pace not slow it down

I'm just going off the numbers. Through 5 games Houston is using 18.7 of shot clock per possession. That is one of the slowest paces in the country (#301 nationally).

UC plays slow but so far this year, they are using 18.3 seconds of clock per possession which is #282 nationally.


Houston's overall Pace (Defense and Offensive possessions) is ranked #350 out of #353 teams.


Good Defensive teams, who deny flow will always force long possessions on the defensive end. UC and Houston both do this. But I just more interested in the offensive pace not being so fast. Its more deliberate.


Last season, Houston used 17.4 seconds per offensive possession which was #153 in the country. The pace has slowed down.

(11-29-2018 03:35 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 03:21 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 03:05 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  One thing that is interesting to me is how slow Houston is playing on offense.


You'd think that with so many shooters and athletes that they'd want to play pretty fast and get rhythm 3's up.


But as of today, Houston actually plays slower offense than UC. Which is weird. Sampson has adapted his brand of basketball to the top of the league. UC plays defense and plays slow and methodical. Now Sampson is doing the same.


Or maybe its too early to tell. Just an odd stat I stumbled across

i think you are mixing pace with playing scared (dont want to get chewed out by coach)

corey and armoni* are the only confident shooters on the team
(asterik next to armoni, he was scared to shoot vs utrgv, he is in a shooting slump and i think its affecting his confidnce)
(another side note: hinton isnt scared to shoot, but sampson is restricting him from shooting as his shot slection isnt always great)

we have lots of high precentage shooters but most wont shoot it unless its wide open, it was evident in nwst when corey sat out the 1st half , every posession they just keep passing until the shot clock ran out. when corey came in he was shooting 3 seconds into the shot clock

i think the design of the offense is too push the pace not slow it down

I'm just going off the numbers. Through 5 games Houston is using 18.7 of shot clock per possession. That is one of the slowest paces in the country (#301 nationally).

UC plays slow but so far this year, they are using 18.3 seconds of clock per possession which is #282 nationally.


Houston's overall Pace (Defense and Offensive possessions) is ranked #350 out of #353 teams.


Good Defensive teams, who deny flow will always force long possessions on the defensive end. UC and Houston both do this. But I just more interested in the offensive pace not being so fast. Its more deliberate.


Last season, Houston used 17.4 seconds per offensive possession which was #153 in the country. The pace has slowed down.

what im saying is that its not deliberate, its actually the opposite Houston was built to go fast on offense, which is why we purposely go small on our bigs

last year, rob could forced the issue and draw defender, swing it out, we could find open shots quicker
this year is different, with current active roster, no one forces the issue or tries to draw defenders (all just spotting up for a 3), at the same time our shooters dont really try to force difficult shots. so it takes longer to find shots

that is where we hope dejon maks the difference when he becomes active, elite handles and elite passer

(11-29-2018 01:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 12:50 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  And why are you so hung up on preseason rankings? We lost to OSU, who will not finish 9th in the Big 10 and has 2 road wins against Creighton and UC. They struggled last night but are much better than expected.

Same for Ole Miss... will be better than expected.


I mean, the win that you are hanging your hat on, just lost to a Missouri Valley team last night. They aren't a tourney team. They won't win their league and they will be lucky to finish in the kenpom top 100 by seasons end.


But none of that matters. UC fans aren't getting excited because of who they've beaten. They are excited because they have progressively gotten better every single game.


As for 3 point defense.


My man point is that your team has played 4 opponents who have all shoot under 30%. UC, who hasn't played an insane schedule at all, has played just 1 team who shoots under 30% and that was Arkansas Pine Bluff.

When it comes to 3pt% SOS houston would have to be some where near last play. None of the teams they have played can shoot.

byu only lost to illinois state becuase yoeli childs (their best player) fouled out and they were ahead with him in (he had 27point at the time)...they were up more than 10 most of the game....

and stop trying to pretend illiionois state is bad

also one of byus best players is on a 9 game suspension and is back after their next game

byu will almost certainly be a top 75 team...and potentially top 50 ...they wont win their league becuase gonzaga is in the league but they will finish #2

Man, there’s always a lot of buts and ifs in your reasonings.

Oh, BYU only lost because a guy fouled out? Cool story. Guess what? Fouling out is part of basketball. That’s how the game goes. Maybe he shouldn’t have fouled so much?

Stop always trying to angle everything to try and prop up Houston or win an argument. You can’t win everything.

(11-29-2018 04:43 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 01:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 12:50 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  And why are you so hung up on preseason rankings? We lost to OSU, who will not finish 9th in the Big 10 and has 2 road wins against Creighton and UC. They struggled last night but are much better than expected.

Same for Ole Miss... will be better than expected.


I mean, the win that you are hanging your hat on, just lost to a Missouri Valley team last night. They aren't a tourney team. They won't win their league and they will be lucky to finish in the kenpom top 100 by seasons end.


But none of that matters. UC fans aren't getting excited because of who they've beaten. They are excited because they have progressively gotten better every single game.


As for 3 point defense.


My man point is that your team has played 4 opponents who have all shoot under 30%. UC, who hasn't played an insane schedule at all, has played just 1 team who shoots under 30% and that was Arkansas Pine Bluff.

When it comes to 3pt% SOS houston would have to be some where near last play. None of the teams they have played can shoot.

byu only lost to illinois state becuase yoeli childs (their best player) fouled out and they were ahead with him in (he had 27point at the time)...they were up more than 10 most of the game....

and stop trying to pretend illiionois state is bad

also one of byus best players is on a 9 game suspension and is back after their next game

byu will almost certainly be a top 75 team...and potentially top 50 ...they wont win their league becuase gonzaga is in the league but they will finish #2

Man, there’s always a lot of buts and ifs in your reasonings.

Oh, BYU only lost because a guy fouled out? Cool story. Guess what? Fouling out is part of basketball. That’s how the game goes. Maybe he shouldn’t have fouled so much?

Stop always trying to angle everything to try and prop up Houston or win an argument. You can’t win everything.

the discussion was if byu would finish outside the top 100 or inside the top 75 at the end of the season

my point was that illinois state isnt a bad team and byu was dominating them till their best player fouled out...
that im not worried about byu i don't think he is fouling out every game...

you are twisting and manipulating like im fighting that byu should have won that specific game and they were robbed, or whatever (im not).....
calm down, was merely projecting that despite the loss im not worried about byu and how they will finish

not sure the point of your rant...i wasnt propping up byu....i didnt even bring byu into the conversation...i simply retorted to his point that byu lost to "some MVC team" and they wont finish top 100

and some of you dont get the basic concept of projecting and analysis

this is craziness of this forum:
team A beats team B....team B was projected to be a way better team than Team A, team B didn't have a single starting 5 play due to injury

aac forum: team A is so much better than team B

pesik: "i wouldn't go that far team b didn't have a single starter playing"

aac forum: its always "buts" and "ifs" with you, "stop making excuses" blah blah

we get it, you can only take things at face value