(12-17-2018 04:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 03:28 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  In a nut shell, the court has given the mother the exclusive right to decided which professionals her SON can see and the father must get them approved by her or held in contempt.

Real Justice for James.

From what I could tell (and I admittedly didn't read every single link), their agreement re: medical & visitation was in place (2016) before James started wanting to dress like a girl (2017). That's why I say something's off.

That coupled with the "fraud" annulment makes it sound like there's more to the story with the Dad than we're seeing.

The mom agreed to move him to a different pediatrician, so it's not like there's a history of her leaving the Dad out of decisions. The last portion of the letter even says that the Mom is open to discussing other counselors with him.

Did the last part really say that? What it actually said was "as long as she and the current counselor agreed". You know the one that said the boy was trans when the actions of the boy might not have pointed to that. That's far from being open to the ideal. Why would she not want a second opinion on something that is going to affect this young boy for the rest of his life?

Right - the letter said she is "willing to discuss," and according to their custody agreement, she has to agree on any medical care. She's a pediatrician herself, apparently.

However, again, she didn't dig in her heels with the pediatrician they originally had, and picked a different one that the Dad was more comfortable with. Sounds like the Dad is not wanting to work with her on the choice of the counselor. If I were to guess, I'd bet he wants to pick a counselor that is affiliated with a religious counseling center.

Dad doesn't get a period and neither will the boy ever. The decision should be his for the sake of sanity.

(12-17-2018 04:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 03:28 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  In a nut shell, the court has given the mother the exclusive right to decided which professionals her SON can see and the father must get them approved by her or held in contempt.

Real Justice for James.

From what I could tell (and I admittedly didn't read every single link), their agreement re: medical & visitation was in place before James started showing any indications of wanting to dress like a girl. That's why I say something's off. That coupled with the "fraud" annulment makes it sound like there's more to the story with the Dad than we're seeing.

The mom agreed to move him to a different pediatrician, so it's not like there's a history of her leaving the Dad out of decisions. The last portion of the letter even says that the Mom is open to discussing other counselors with him.

The moms a doctor and here's part of the Hippocratic oath: "Above all, I must not play at God."

(12-17-2018 04:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 03:28 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  In a nut shell, the court has given the mother the exclusive right to decided which professionals her SON can see and the father must get them approved by her or held in contempt.

Real Justice for James.

From what I could tell (and I admittedly didn't read every single link), their agreement re: medical & visitation was in place before James started showing any indications of wanting to dress like a girl. That's why I say something's off. That coupled with the "fraud" annulment makes it sound like there's more to the story with the Dad than we're seeing.

The mom agreed to move him to a different pediatrician, so it's not like there's a history of her leaving the Dad out of decisions. The last portion of the letter even says that the Mom is open to discussing other counselors with him.

The moms a doctor and here's part of the Hippocratic oath: "Above all, I must not play at God."

From what the child has said and from what I've read, I really don't see that the mom is trying to play God.

She's not fighting to make him take medicine, hormones or surgeries; she's fighting to allow him to dress and grow his hair long like a girl if that's what he wants to do at this age, based on the advice from other doctors, counselors, and a children's medical center in their area. The kids at his school know him as Luna, a girl, and she wants that to continue to be the case if James wants it to be, which according to James, he does.

If this were just about power, I don't think she'd be making a concession on a pediatrician, nor would she be saying that she wishes her son didn't want to be a girl.

(12-17-2018 04:31 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 03:28 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  In a nut shell, the court has given the mother the exclusive right to decided which professionals her SON can see and the father must get them approved by her or held in contempt.

Real Justice for James.

From what I could tell (and I admittedly didn't read every single link), their agreement re: medical & visitation was in place before James started showing any indications of wanting to dress like a girl. That's why I say something's off. That coupled with the "fraud" annulment makes it sound like there's more to the story with the Dad than we're seeing.

The mom agreed to move him to a different pediatrician, so it's not like there's a history of her leaving the Dad out of decisions. The last portion of the letter even says that the Mom is open to discussing other counselors with him.

The moms a doctor and here's part of the Hippocratic oath: "Above all, I must not play at God."

From what the child has said and from what I've read, I really don't see that the mom is trying to play God.

She's not fighting to make him take medicine, hormones or surgeries; she's fighting to allow him to dress and grow his hair long like a girl if that's what he wants to do at this age, based on the advice from other doctors, counselors, and a children's medical center in their area. The kids at his school know him as Luna, a girl, and she wants that to continue to be the case if James wants it to be, which according to James, he does.

If this were just about power, I don't think she'd be making a concession on a pediatrician, nor would she be saying that she wishes her son didn't want to be a girl.

She's fighting to get him chemically castrated. He is already dressing like a girl and sitting down to pee when he is with her. The boy is obviously a people pleaser and the mother is obviously overbearing. He will probably express his own opinion in 4th or 5th grade when the other kids start making fun of him.

(12-17-2018 04:31 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 03:28 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  In a nut shell, the court has given the mother the exclusive right to decided which professionals her SON can see and the father must get them approved by her or held in contempt.

Real Justice for James.

From what I could tell (and I admittedly didn't read every single link), their agreement re: medical & visitation was in place before James started showing any indications of wanting to dress like a girl. That's why I say something's off. That coupled with the "fraud" annulment makes it sound like there's more to the story with the Dad than we're seeing.

The mom agreed to move him to a different pediatrician, so it's not like there's a history of her leaving the Dad out of decisions. The last portion of the letter even says that the Mom is open to discussing other counselors with him.

The moms a doctor and here's part of the Hippocratic oath: "Above all, I must not play at God."

From what the child has said and from what I've read, I really don't see that the mom is trying to play God.

She's not fighting to make him take medicine, hormones or surgeries; she's fighting to allow him to dress and grow his hair long like a girl if that's what he wants to do at this age, based on the advice from other doctors, counselors, and a children's medical center in their area. The kids at his school know him as Luna, a girl, and she wants that to continue to be the case if James wants it to be, which according to James, he does.

If this were just about power, I don't think she'd be making a concession on a pediatrician, nor would she be saying that she wishes her son didn't want to be a girl.

I remember a time when parents would parent, and 6 year olds didnt get to dress or do their hair as they wanted. At 15, it was hard enough for me to get may hair below my ears and to wear a van halen concert shirt to school.

(12-17-2018 04:44 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:31 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 03:28 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  In a nut shell, the court has given the mother the exclusive right to decided which professionals her SON can see and the father must get them approved by her or held in contempt.

Real Justice for James.

From what I could tell (and I admittedly didn't read every single link), their agreement re: medical & visitation was in place before James started showing any indications of wanting to dress like a girl. That's why I say something's off. That coupled with the "fraud" annulment makes it sound like there's more to the story with the Dad than we're seeing.

The mom agreed to move him to a different pediatrician, so it's not like there's a history of her leaving the Dad out of decisions. The last portion of the letter even says that the Mom is open to discussing other counselors with him.

The moms a doctor and here's part of the Hippocratic oath: "Above all, I must not play at God."

From what the child has said and from what I've read, I really don't see that the mom is trying to play God.

She's not fighting to make him take medicine, hormones or surgeries; she's fighting to allow him to dress and grow his hair long like a girl if that's what he wants to do at this age, based on the advice from other doctors, counselors, and a children's medical center in their area. The kids at his school know him as Luna, a girl, and she wants that to continue to be the case if James wants it to be, which according to James, he does.

If this were just about power, I don't think she'd be making a concession on a pediatrician, nor would she be saying that she wishes her son didn't want to be a girl.

I remember a time when parents would parent, and 6 year olds didnt get to dress or do their hair as they wanted. At 15, it was hard enough for me to get may hair below my ears and to wear a van halen concert shirt to school.

Off-topic: my son had a play at school last week and one of the kids in his class had a rat tail. I haven't seen one of those since about 1985 and I judged that mother as about as poor of a parent as the mother in this story.

(12-17-2018 04:44 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:31 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 03:28 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  In a nut shell, the court has given the mother the exclusive right to decided which professionals her SON can see and the father must get them approved by her or held in contempt.

Real Justice for James.

From what I could tell (and I admittedly didn't read every single link), their agreement re: medical & visitation was in place before James started showing any indications of wanting to dress like a girl. That's why I say something's off. That coupled with the "fraud" annulment makes it sound like there's more to the story with the Dad than we're seeing.

The mom agreed to move him to a different pediatrician, so it's not like there's a history of her leaving the Dad out of decisions. The last portion of the letter even says that the Mom is open to discussing other counselors with him.

The moms a doctor and here's part of the Hippocratic oath: "Above all, I must not play at God."

From what the child has said and from what I've read, I really don't see that the mom is trying to play God.

She's not fighting to make him take medicine, hormones or surgeries; she's fighting to allow him to dress and grow his hair long like a girl if that's what he wants to do at this age, based on the advice from other doctors, counselors, and a children's medical center in their area. The kids at his school know him as Luna, a girl, and she wants that to continue to be the case if James wants it to be, which according to James, he does.

If this were just about power, I don't think she'd be making a concession on a pediatrician, nor would she be saying that she wishes her son didn't want to be a girl.

I remember a time when parents would parent, and 6 year olds didnt get to dress or do their hair as they wanted. At 15, it was hard enough for me to get may hair below my ears and to wear a van halen concert shirt to school.

We are in a backwards society that would rather find virtue in letting a 6 year old go on a "sexual discovery/journey to find out who they are" instead of being a parent and letting them be a normal child with a real childhood.

God fearing Christians are supposed to be against these type of things, but many self professing Christians today are for more educated on liberal theology and seeking worldly acceptance than the Word of God of spreading the Gospel.

(12-17-2018 04:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  She's fighting to get him chemically castrated. He is already dressing like a girl and sitting down to pee when he is with her. The boy is obviously a people pleaser and the mother is obviously overbearing. He will probably express his own opinion in 4th or 5th grade when the other kids start making fun of him.

No - she testified that she is NOT wanting to give him any medicine to alter his hormonal makeup at this point. He takes biotin, which helps hair grow.

There was a doctor from Dallas Children's Hospital that testified that said at the onset of puberty, if he still wants to be a girl, they could give him hormone suppression, which delays puberty to allow for more time for the child to "grow out of" any gender issues. Once they stop taking it, puberty resumes as normal.

The doctor also said that hormone therapy isn't even allowed until 14-15. That would be yet another legal battle if it came to that - this case is simply for James to be able to dress like a girl & not be “outed” at school (for lack of a better term) by his dad, since the kids know him as a girl named Luna.

Why would she have boys' clothes at the house if she were forcing this on the kid? Why would she say that she doesn't want him to want to be a girl - that she wishes he wanted to be a boy, but he doesn't? Why wouldn't this be a power struggle with the other twin as well?

Anything is possible, and I reiterate that if the Mom is forcing is on the kid that's wrong - but after reading more of the transcripts, it seems like the Dad is the one trying to force things - not the Mom.

Lunatics

I don't tell people how to raise their kids and I don't want them to tell me how to raise mine.

Poor kid certainly has a stacked deck against him. Feel sorry for him, he has a huge uphill climb.


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(12-17-2018 06:18 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I don't tell people how to raise their kids and I don't want them to tell me how to raise mine.

That's fair... but we're talking about gender reassignment and such things, which is a medical question... and we DO tell doctors how to treat patients.

First do no harm

A Father's Fight for the Life of His Son

This is a podcast with the father.

(12-17-2018 04:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:31 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 03:28 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  In a nut shell, the court has given the mother the exclusive right to decided which professionals her SON can see and the father must get them approved by her or held in contempt.

Real Justice for James.

From what I could tell (and I admittedly didn't read every single link), their agreement re: medical & visitation was in place before James started showing any indications of wanting to dress like a girl. That's why I say something's off. That coupled with the "fraud" annulment makes it sound like there's more to the story with the Dad than we're seeing.

The mom agreed to move him to a different pediatrician, so it's not like there's a history of her leaving the Dad out of decisions. The last portion of the letter even says that the Mom is open to discussing other counselors with him.

The moms a doctor and here's part of the Hippocratic oath: "Above all, I must not play at God."

From what the child has said and from what I've read, I really don't see that the mom is trying to play God.

She's not fighting to make him take medicine, hormones or surgeries; she's fighting to allow him to dress and grow his hair long like a girl if that's what he wants to do at this age, based on the advice from other doctors, counselors, and a children's medical center in their area. The kids at his school know him as Luna, a girl, and she wants that to continue to be the case if James wants it to be, which according to James, he does.

If this were just about power, I don't think she'd be making a concession on a pediatrician, nor would she be saying that she wishes her son didn't want to be a girl.

She's fighting to get him chemically castrated. He is already dressing like a girl and sitting down to pee when he is with her. The boy is obviously a people pleaser and the mother is obviously overbearing. He will probably express his own opinion in 4th or 5th grade when the other kids start making fun of him.

And will likely have a strong possibility of an attempted suicide by the time he's 25 after years of therapy.

There is NOTHING right about this and other similar stories. No matter how much explaining and rationalizing the liberals do this is just wrong on so many different levels, not the least of which will be when this kid decides to harm himself or take his own life, a significant statistical possibility.

(12-17-2018 04:57 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:44 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:31 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  From what I could tell (and I admittedly didn't read every single link), their agreement re: medical & visitation was in place before James started showing any indications of wanting to dress like a girl. That's why I say something's off. That coupled with the "fraud" annulment makes it sound like there's more to the story with the Dad than we're seeing.

The mom agreed to move him to a different pediatrician, so it's not like there's a history of her leaving the Dad out of decisions. The last portion of the letter even says that the Mom is open to discussing other counselors with him.

The moms a doctor and here's part of the Hippocratic oath: "Above all, I must not play at God."

From what the child has said and from what I've read, I really don't see that the mom is trying to play God.

She's not fighting to make him take medicine, hormones or surgeries; she's fighting to allow him to dress and grow his hair long like a girl if that's what he wants to do at this age, based on the advice from other doctors, counselors, and a children's medical center in their area. The kids at his school know him as Luna, a girl, and she wants that to continue to be the case if James wants it to be, which according to James, he does.

If this were just about power, I don't think she'd be making a concession on a pediatrician, nor would she be saying that she wishes her son didn't want to be a girl.

I remember a time when parents would parent, and 6 year olds didnt get to dress or do their hair as they wanted. At 15, it was hard enough for me to get may hair below my ears and to wear a van halen concert shirt to school.

We are in a backwards society that would rather find virtue in letting a 6 year old go on a "sexual discovery/journey to find out who they are" instead of being a parent and letting them be a normal child with a real childhood.

God fearing Christians are supposed to be against these type of things, but many self professing Christians today are for more educated on liberal theology and seeking worldly acceptance than the Word of God of spreading the Gospel.

Truth.

(12-17-2018 04:49 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:44 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:31 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 04:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  From what I could tell (and I admittedly didn't read every single link), their agreement re: medical & visitation was in place before James started showing any indications of wanting to dress like a girl. That's why I say something's off. That coupled with the "fraud" annulment makes it sound like there's more to the story with the Dad than we're seeing.

The mom agreed to move him to a different pediatrician, so it's not like there's a history of her leaving the Dad out of decisions. The last portion of the letter even says that the Mom is open to discussing other counselors with him.

The moms a doctor and here's part of the Hippocratic oath: "Above all, I must not play at God."

From what the child has said and from what I've read, I really don't see that the mom is trying to play God.

She's not fighting to make him take medicine, hormones or surgeries; she's fighting to allow him to dress and grow his hair long like a girl if that's what he wants to do at this age, based on the advice from other doctors, counselors, and a children's medical center in their area. The kids at his school know him as Luna, a girl, and she wants that to continue to be the case if James wants it to be, which according to James, he does.

If this were just about power, I don't think she'd be making a concession on a pediatrician, nor would she be saying that she wishes her son didn't want to be a girl.

I remember a time when parents would parent, and 6 year olds didnt get to dress or do their hair as they wanted. At 15, it was hard enough for me to get may hair below my ears and to wear a van halen concert shirt to school.

Off-topic: my son had a play at school last week and one of the kids in his class had a rat tail. I haven't seen one of those since about 1985 and I judged that mother as about as poor of a parent as the mother in this story.

(11-28-2018 04:00 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 03:52 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I suspect not many of the other kids want much to do with him. That is the saddest part of the whole thing. Kid is in kindergarten or 1st grade and will never be able to get away from this unless the dad wins custody and they move far away.

Why assume that? Kids are considerably more open-minded than adults. Typically the only reason kids at that young age would be mean is from things they've picked up from their parents/family.

There's a difference between bullying and simply not wanting to associate. Letting him do this means nobody will want to be around him, even if they are polite.

Its almost certainly something to get attention and instead he will get none. That the mom encourages this tells me she's a lousy mom.

That mother is a disgrace and should never ay eyes on that BOY again.


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