(11-26-2018 12:11 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I'd argue that the Donald lynching wasn't public. It certainly wasn't the kind of event that people would "attend." And leaving the body hanging from a tree after the fact does not make the event public.

My recollection of that evil crime is that Michael Donald was beaten to death at a time/place where his murderers felt safe they would not be discovered.. Then his corpse was hanged from a tree where it would be seen. We can quibble over the semantics but unless “lynching” now means any murder in which the victim’s body is put on public display, I wouldn’t classify the murder of Michael Donald as such.

Quote:If elected, she needs to do whatever she can to make amends to the African-American community. I would hope that she could have the kind of epiphany that George Wallace had in his last term as governor of Alabama.

The only epiphany he had was realizing that he would need some AA votes to get elected again (this was 1982; his previous win was 1974). I’ll give him credit for recognizing that the political calculus had changed. Not really the same thing as an “epiphany”, IMHO.

(11-25-2018 10:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 03:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 01:51 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 01:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 01:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Doug Jones was a lot more conservative than Doug Jones until Chuck Schumer got hold of him. I would expect the same from Espy. You might have different expectations. I don't.
Republicans are really playing this stupid. Somebody needs to take them all to the woodshed and explain, "Look, democrats are going to twist everything you say to put the worst possible spin on it. Race, abortion, global warming--any misstep is going to be blown out of proportion because that's how they play identity politics." Democrats keep doing it, and they keep not learning. Newt imposed that kind of discipline in 1994 and won. No republican has been able to do so since. Apparently because none has tried.
Public hangings do not suggest lynchings to me. I'm a little older, and a few lynchings were at least in recent memory when I grew up. They were all carried out in secret, and as best I can recall, were all done at night and the bodies discovered the next day or so. Maybe to somebody who doesn't know the history of lynchings, "public hangings" might suggest lynchings. But that would be the opposite of "dog whistle"--something heard by everyone but the dog. And I suspect very strongly that any Mississippian who would be attracted to the notion of lynchings would be very aware of the exact difference that I have discussed here and elsewhere.

Doug Jones has never pretended to be anything but a mainstream Democrat, which is what Chuck Schumer is.
From a political standpoint, he cannot win without extraordinary support from the Democratic base in Alabama, which does exist AND without the GOP putting up a profoundly flawed candidate to oppose him. Bradley Byrne would crush him in 2020, for example, regardless of whatever he does. Jones doesn't make himself any more safe by voting with the GOP.
I think he's just going to vote according to his views, and if he loses his seat for it, he will either retire to the accolades of millions of Alabamians or take his pick of positions in a new Democratic Administration.

That pick of positions in a democrat administration, or a cushy position in a DC left-leaning law firm, depends on his remaining Chuck Schumer's lapdog. And he certainly pretended to be anything but a mainstream Democrat during the Alabama senate special election campaign. If he is truly a mainstream democrat, then he lied big-time then.

How republicans managed to let idiot Roy Moore get their nomination is a perfect storm comedy of errors. Are they inept enough to repeat it? Probably. But I hope not.

Look, I truly believe that the democrat leaders are evil people who would gladly destroy this country in order to enact their collectivist/redistributionist/globalist agenda. I think there are many otherwise intelligent people who have been duped into becoming useful idiots in advancing that cause. I would put you and Mach, among others, in that group.

The Trumpers and the anti-Globalists have made it VERY clear where my people fit in their world order. History has shown us that nativism/nationalism never works out well for minorities.

Your people are the citizens of this country, and its government, who don't pick you up for an alternative lifestyle and make you disappear forever, like they would in China. You might want to keep that in mind. We are sworn to protect you whether we approve of you or not. You won't find that in 90% of the "Globe".

Would Muslims approve of "your people"? No.
Would China approve of "your people"? No.
Would African Tribes approve of "your people"? No.

You have some metropolitan areas in the remnant of the Western Civilization that historically have been the only dependable bastion for the LGBT community. Odd that those who support them the best are the ones you most hate.

I think this would be a good candidate for a thread on the subject of "Why is a LGBT person a Globalist" or "Why a LGBT person doesn't reflexively fear who those who support anti-Gay politicians think we should" or "Why LGBT people don't fear Muslims as much as Putin". But this is getting really off topic as it relates to this particular thread.

All of the friends and family I have in Miss are voting for CHS. A few have said they'll hold their nose while doing so, but will vote for her over Espy none the less.

(11-26-2018 12:53 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 12:11 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If elected, she needs to do whatever she can to make amends to the African-American community. I would hope that she could have the kind of epiphany that George Wallace had in his last term as governor of Alabama.

The only epiphany he had was realizing that he would need some AA votes to get elected again (this was 1982; his previous win was 1974). I’ll give him credit for recognizing that the political calculus had changed. Not really the same thing as an “epiphany”, IMHO.

I think we agree on the Donald murder.

As far as Wallace, he is a very curious character. He was a protege of Jim Folsom, who was probably the most liberal democrat in the state. In 1958 he tried to run as a less segregationist candidate than John Patterson, who won. Afterwards, Wallace reported said privately, "I'm not going to get out-segged again." He ran as the "stand in the schoolhouse door" segregationist in 1962. Interestingly there are many who credit that "stand" with enabling the desegregation process to proceed more smoothly in Alabama than it did in Mississippi. The idea is that Wallace effectively told the redneck troublemakers, "You stay home and don't go causing trouble. If I can't stop them, you sure as hell can't." As governor, while spouting, "Segregation now! Segregation forever!" rhetoric, he started a statewide network of trade schools. I have many African-American friends who attended one of them, and learned skills which enabled them to make a far better livings than did their parents. They were actually very willing Wallace supporters that last time around.

I think Bear Bryant and Sam Bam Cunningham did more to fully integrate the University of Alabama than George Wallace or JFK..

(11-25-2018 05:14 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I don't think this lady is evil or hate-filled, but I do think she has lived a very segregated life and has gone out of her way to do so. She is like 80% of upper-middle class whites in Mississippi... not evil but not without significant bias, and certainly not going to send her kids to school with blacks.

Judging a whole group of people based on skin color and socio economic status.

Lmao. Well done, you are what you claim to despise

(11-26-2018 10:29 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I think Bear Bryant and Sam Bam Cunningham did more to fully integrate the University of Alabama than George Wallace or JFK..

Bryant and Sam Bam definitely did their part. And that was very intentional on Bryant's part, just as it was obviously on Sam Bam's. They may have done more for race relations in the south than anyone else. It's really funny to go to an SEC game these days and see black faces mingling with white at all the pregame tailgates. That sure as hell didn't happen 50 years ago.

I have a HS friend who has a tent just outside Jordan-Hare. Barkley and Bo and Cam (when he is free) drop by pregame, and everybody goes stark raving nuts to have selfies with them.

All that Wallace may have accomplished (if that) is that by standing as a proxy for the rednecks, and telling them to stay away, he may very well have kept the violence down that day.

Mississippi Senate Run-Off Election Bold Blue Campaigns/JMC Hyde-Smith 54, Espy 44 Hyde-Smith +10.

After Trump's two stops for her today Hyde-Smith +15 tomorrow when all votes are counted.

(11-25-2018 12:16 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:41 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 03:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/23/mississi...-espy.html

Just throwing this out here for people to predict and comment on the race.

I for the record, think that Mike Espy is going to have a real difficult road. Here's why

1) Cindy Hyde-Smith is a far-far-FAR right wing candidate. But she's not Roy Moore. And her views and statements appear to match those of many white Mississippians.

2) Hyde-Smith got 41 percent on the general election date. An even worse candidate, Confederate/Southern Nationalist Chris McDaniel, got 19 percent. Espy had 40 percent. Its hard to imagine McDaniel voters voting for Mike Espy, an African American

3) Both candidates in the runoff have had issues. For Espy, there have been claims that he had some financial improprieties. Cindy Hyde-Smith has had Confederacy/Jim Crow turrets, including joking about attending public lynchings.

4) For Espy to win, he needs African Amreican voters to be north of 40% of the runoff turnout (They were 33 percent in November). In addition, he will need 30 percent of the non-black vote (He didn't get that in November).

Espy does have the momentum right now, but I just see it as too far of a distance to cover. And its Mississippi.

Tom, seriously, are you a paid propagandist?

No idea if this has been pointed out below, I’d hope so-

But do you have any kind of link or source for her “joking about attending ‘public lynchings’?”

Im a relatively keen observer of affairs and have a decent background in history. I can’t really recall many public lynchings.

Can you point to a couple in the last 100-150 yrs or so?!?

Thx

Just google "Cindy Hyde-Smith lynching" and you'll get a mountain of sources from any number of news outlets. Rather than pick one myself, I'll just let you pick the outlet of your choice.

Where do you get your news? Even Fox News has carried stories about Cindy Hyde-Smith joking about attending a public lynching.

This isn't in dispute. She said it on video.

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Lynchings of Black persons is sadly a very real part of our history. I'd argue that the Micheal Donald lynching in my hometown in the 1980's qualified as a public lynching, as they left the body hanging from a tree 5 blocks from my house as a symbol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_i...ted_States

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Lynchings are not a joke. There are certain things that are not okay to joke about. Combined with her documented history of horrendous bigotry (the Mississippi Agricultural Center case was pretty instructive to me when she was Ag. Commissioner of Mississippi) and her jokes about not wanting certain people to vote (she made those comments on video as well the day after the video of her joking about her willingness to attend a public lynching make her unacceptable as a US Senator. But she'll probably win. And Mississippi will suffer for it.

Said WHAT on video?

Public hangings are/were a real thing, yes. Everyone caught and convicted in assassination of Lincoln was sentenced to execution by hanging. Ergo, a public hanging.

Is a lynching what she commented on? Do you recognize/understand the difference?

No, I'm not even going to consider your implication that African American lynching victims were in any way comparable to the hanging after a trial of persons involved in a crime - the assassination of the President of the United States.

I'm also not getting into some sort of semantic argument with you about what she said. I've seen the video, I grew up 20 miles from Mississippi, and I know damn well that she knew exactly what she was saying. You are free to argue that she really was making some other statement if you'd like. I'm just going to pass on going down that rabbit hole.

She isn't denying she said it either.

Nice try.

But why not address what I actually said instead of throwing out an elbow trying to twist what I DID say/ask?

I am happy you recognize and readily acknowledge the very real difference between a "Public Hanging", clearly and not in dispute as to what she actually said, and not what the good little paid propagandists on the BozoNewsNetworks (Apologies to Bozo) are trying to portray it as.

She said a "Public Hanging". If there was to be a "Public hanging", operative word "Public", it would necessarily need to be a lawful State-sponsored capital execution. I don't even know if hanging is legal in any States any longer, so clearly that would make this whole thing moot anyway.

Find another, legit reason to try and stir the ignorant masses, this dog won't hunt.

But, as I said.....

Nice try.

(11-25-2018 10:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 08:13 PM)EagleX Wrote:  the forces of "ist" are out in full force. someone raided (perhaps) her high school yearbook, and they think they found something. now she is a racist.

she's going to win. but what the electorate needs to pause long enough to figure out is the ******* depths to which the DNC slime machine is willing to go to damage, destroy, or otherwise publicly disfigure their political opponents.

it's morally vile.

there is a special place in the least desirable part of hell reserved for these cretins of "ist".

They use the same twisted logic to paint every Republican a racist. It carries no weight with anybody but hard core Democrats. Its a technique to get low information and easily deluded Democratic voters to the polls.

Wallmart among other corporations has pulled their support from her and I'd not call them a Democratic or Progressive leanding company any strech; their pulling away from her will matter. If Espy can capitalize on WallMart and other company's puling their support from her it will tighten things up not sure if enough to give him a win but Wallmart pulling their support from here will matter

(11-26-2018 05:59 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Mississippi Senate Run-Off Election Bold Blue Campaigns/JMC Hyde-Smith 54, Espy 44 Hyde-Smith +10.

After Trump's two stops for her today Hyde-Smith +15 tomorrow when all votes are counted.

Espy cannot win. The demographics of the state won't allow it. Hyde-Smith is a dreadful candidate, but she is white and she is a Republican and those two attributes mean more in that state than competence.

Mike Espy is a less than inspiring candidate in his own right, but he can, at least, stand in front of a camera and speak without embarrassing himself... something Hyde-Smith appears incapable of doing.

Mississippi has set a low bar which is unfortunate. Roger Wicker and Thad Cochran were good men while Cindy Hyde Smith isn't worthy of a House seat, much less a spot in the US Senate.

For me, I'm just looking looking to see if there is an educated, suburban vote in Mississippi at all. Its unlikely Espy will win. I see Hyde-Smith winning by 10-12 percent, which is in itself pretty amazingly low number for a Mississippi Republican running in a contest turning on racial issues against a Black Democrat. If Espy manages 20 percent of the white vote, I'll see that as progress in Mississippi.

Trump's campaigning won't help CHS in any way. Trumpers are all in for CHS to begin with.

Either way, CHS is going to be a pariah. Basically Chris McDaniel in a dress. And as a bonus, the MLB and the SF Giants were busted injecting politics into sports by donating to her campaign. SF is in an full-on uproar over that little development. And Lindsay Graham's reputation as a 'moderate' also continues to circle the drain too.

(11-26-2018 07:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For me, I'm just looking looking to see if there is an educated, suburban vote in Mississippi at all. Its unlikely Espy will win. I see Hyde-Smith winning by 10-12 percent, which is in itself pretty amazingly low number for a Mississippi Republican running in a contest turning on racial issues against a Black Democrat. If Espy manages 20 percent of the white vote, I'll see that as progress in Mississippi.

Trump's campaigning won't help CHS in any way. Trumpers are all in for CHS to begin with.

Either way, CHS is going to be a pariah. Basically Chris McDaniel in a dress. And as a bonus, the MLB and the SF Giants were busted injecting politics into sports by donating to her campaign. SF is in an full-on uproar over that little development. And Lindsay Graham's reputation as a 'moderate' also continues to circle the drain too.

Tom, it sure is an interesting prism through which you view the world.

Makes me thankful I don’t see a boogeyman around every corner wishing to destroy my life like you evidently do.

I disagree with most of what you say here, but you give me some insight into how others think.

Lol

(11-26-2018 07:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For me, I'm just looking looking to see if there is an educated, suburban vote in Mississippi at all. Its unlikely Espy will win. I see Hyde-Smith winning by 10-12 percent, which is in itself pretty amazingly low number for a Mississippi Republican running in a contest turning on racial issues against a Black Democrat. If Espy manages 20 percent of the white vote, I'll see that as progress in Mississippi.

Trump's campaigning won't help CHS in any way. Trumpers are all in for CHS to begin with.

Either way, CHS is going to be a pariah. Basically Chris McDaniel in a dress. And as a bonus, the MLB and the SF Giants were busted injecting politics into sports by donating to her campaign. SF is in an full-on uproar over that little development. And Lindsay Graham's reputation as a 'moderate' also continues to circle the drain too.

Mississippi is a R+9 state per Cook, so a 10-12 point victory would actually be below expectation for dems.

That’s hilarious that San Francisco donated to her. I’m sure that news will rattle their “community” for weeks. Lemme get my popcorn.

(11-26-2018 06:51 PM)Policiious Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 10:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 08:13 PM)EagleX Wrote:  the forces of "ist" are out in full force. someone raided (perhaps) her high school yearbook, and they think they found something. now she is a racist.

she's going to win. but what the electorate needs to pause long enough to figure out is the ******* depths to which the DNC slime machine is willing to go to damage, destroy, or otherwise publicly disfigure their political opponents.

it's morally vile.

there is a special place in the least desirable part of hell reserved for these cretins of "ist".

They use the same twisted logic to paint every Republican a racist. It carries no weight with anybody but hard core Democrats. Its a technique to get low information and easily deluded Democratic voters to the polls.

Wallmart among other corporations has pulled their support from her and I'd not call them a Democratic or Progressive leanding company any strech; their pulling away from her will matter. If Espy can capitalize on WallMart and other company's puling their support from her it will tighten things up not sure if enough to give him a win but Wallmart pulling their support from here will matter

Its just Progressives putting pressure on the corporations. They are trying to avoid the controversy. Sometimes they just walk right into it.

(11-26-2018 07:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For me, I'm just looking looking to see if there is an educated, suburban vote in Mississippi at all. Its unlikely Espy will win. I see Hyde-Smith winning by 10-12 percent, which is in itself pretty amazingly low number for a Mississippi Republican running in a contest turning on racial issues against a Black Democrat. If Espy manages 20 percent of the white vote, I'll see that as progress in Mississippi.

Trump's campaigning won't help CHS in any way. Trumpers are all in for CHS to begin with.

Either way, CHS is going to be a pariah. Basically Chris McDaniel in a dress. And as a bonus, the MLB and the SF Giants were busted injecting politics into sports by donating to her campaign. SF is in an full-on uproar over that little development. And Lindsay Graham's reputation as a 'moderate' also continues to circle the drain too.

Turnout matters in these special elections. Trump is reminding them to show up.

NFL was busted for injecting politics into sports. Ratings, which were already starting to get shaky, took a nosedive.

We hate how you progressives try to put politics into everything but politics. There you just do a bunch of name calling and race baiting. The progressives are dividing the country in places that we used to be united.

(11-26-2018 05:59 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Mississippi Senate Run-Off Election Bold Blue Campaigns/JMC Hyde-Smith 54, Espy 44 Hyde-Smith +10.

After Trump's two stops for her today Hyde-Smith +15 tomorrow when all votes are counted.

That will drop to +5 by the time they finish voting in January.

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(11-26-2018 08:16 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 07:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For me, I'm just looking looking to see if there is an educated, suburban vote in Mississippi at all. Its unlikely Espy will win. I see Hyde-Smith winning by 10-12 percent, which is in itself pretty amazingly low number for a Mississippi Republican running in a contest turning on racial issues against a Black Democrat. If Espy manages 20 percent of the white vote, I'll see that as progress in Mississippi.

Trump's campaigning won't help CHS in any way. Trumpers are all in for CHS to begin with.

Either way, CHS is going to be a pariah. Basically Chris McDaniel in a dress. And as a bonus, the MLB and the SF Giants were busted injecting politics into sports by donating to her campaign. SF is in an full-on uproar over that little development. And Lindsay Graham's reputation as a 'moderate' also continues to circle the drain too.

Turnout matters in these special elections. Trump is reminding them to show up.

NFL was busted for injecting politics into sports. Ratings, which were already starting to get shaky, took a nosedive.

We hate how you progressives try to put politics into everything but politics. There you just do a bunch of name calling and race baiting. The progressives are dividing the country in places that we used to be united.

XACLY! it's the only reason that matters...

#judges

The Giants used the word “community” 7 times in their statement about donating to CHS.

Twice in the same sentence.

bahahahahahaha