I wonder if we may be looking at a redshirt.

(11-20-2018 12:25 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  I wonder if we may be looking at a redshirt.

We may find that out in February. Maybe. (If indeed that's the situation. I sort of doubt it, but of course we'll never know.)

This is the second game in a row in which Daivien Williamson stepped in and made a difference with 21 minutes, 10 points on 3-5 shooting and 4-5 from the line, 3 assists to 2 turnovers and lots of energy and speed pushing the pace.

This is the second big game of the young season for Tray Boyd (the first being 20 points at Creighton on 9-18 from the field with 3 assists and 2 steals). This was the first time he really got his 3 point shot cranked up for 18 points on 6-10 from 3. He needs consistency and confidence, and this is a step in that direction.

You've got to love the effort that Armus is putting in underneath. To go with 11 rebounds and 9 points on 4-6 shooting, he also grabbed 2 steals, blocked 3 shots and laid off some nice passes.

So, to recap some of the more incendiary comments above, 10 minutes or so of truly awful basketball in the first half of the 6th game of the season defines the entire course of this team.

This may not be a championship team, but a few minutes in an early season game won't decide that.

(11-20-2018 12:17 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 08:55 PM)squeak Wrote:  The bi-polar comments tonight were as entertaining as the game.

You got that right. I was reading the stuff on here at halftime, and really couldn't believe it. I would have thought the youngsters (looking at you in particular, purdue, but you others know you are, too) would have matured just a little bit by this year. I couldn't decide if it was more like 5th graders, or kindergarteners. But oh well, wisdom will come (I hope)…..

All that said, I'm sure glad I'm not one of those who was trumpeting the overwhelming superiority of this team one and two months ago. This team may well take a big upwards turn like last year's team, but we sure can't know that at this point. No, I didn't see this from Furple, but I also didn't think it impossible, either. Same with Sammy. Long season; there will be losses...

And as I posted 3 weeks ago, this injury with Bo is "VERY worrisome".

Last year at this time we got our butts handed to us at home to a very average Troy team AND NKU easily beat us a week earlier. Then of course there was the almost loss to Lees-McRae the year before. Then in Forbes first year we got killed at home by UNCW. So people seem to have a short memory on ETSU basketball in the Forbes era. We always seem to struggle early on but then end up getting it together by conference time.

Pretty much in-game comments to boards are going to be "entertaining" and "bipolar" and whatever other terms you want to use. The Bucs did look ugly much of the game. However, games are not decided at the 4 minute mark in the first half.
Post-game comments after a little marinating are much more useful. After reading some of the other comments, I see more positive, even in the uglier portions. There were some nice performances by individuals (Williamson, Rodriguez, Armus) and the rebounding was good. They need some gelling time, but that's to be expected; there was one guy that got significant Buc minutes last year on the floor (Armus).
Unless a team goes on an incredible run, the Southern Conference is a one-bid league. The conference season and tournament matter. A November non-conference game is more important to prepare you for the conference season than the win or loss you get.

(11-20-2018 09:44 AM)frankenheimer Wrote:  Pretty much in-game comments to boards are going to be "entertaining" and "bipolar" and whatever other terms you want to use. The Bucs did look ugly much of the game.
Post-game comments after a little marinating are much more useful.........The conference season and tournament matter. A November non-conference game is more important to prepare you for the conference season than the win or loss you get.

1. The "entertainment" aspect of the in-game comments last night was *way* greater than usual for this board.
2. I still maintain the loss to X last year was more important (considering how it transpired) than any conference loss - with the exception of either of the very last home conference games, and the SoCon championship game. I know others disagree, but I still feel that way.

(11-20-2018 12:17 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 08:55 PM)squeak Wrote:  The bi-polar comments tonight were as entertaining as the game.

And as I posted 3 weeks ago, this injury with Bo is "VERY worrisome".

Now I agree with you. I guess the one "upside" is that if it is serious, he will 100 percent get a redshirt.

There are no plans or discussions at this time to redshirt Bo. They are just letting him get totally healthy and be ready for conference. No reason to rush him back.

I agree that some posters are way off base with their assessment of the team. Bi-Polar is a great description of their comments.

(11-20-2018 01:03 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  There are no plans or discussions at this time to redshirt Bo. They are just letting him get totally healthy and be ready for conference. No reason to rush him back.

I agree that some posters are way off base with their assessment of the team. Bi-Polar is a great description of their comments.

Good news. And also, 100 percent agreed. Bipolar is always an accurate description of this board though, as others have noted.

(11-20-2018 11:56 AM)Running_Fool15 Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 12:17 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  And as I posted 3 weeks ago, this injury with Bo is "VERY worrisome".

Now I agree with you. I guess the one "upside" is that if it is serious, he will 100 percent get a redshirt.

Well...…….thanks? I'm not sure what made you change your mind, tho. From my perspective, his situation is still the same as it was 2 weeks ago. 3 weeks ago. 3 months ago. 8 months ago (well, not quite).

And while there may be no discussions or plans to red-shirt Bo -- again, one could have said that 2 weeks ago, or 3 weeks ago, or 3 months ago, etc...…….

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying we should push him back out on the court - we've seen that backfire several times already in the past. I'm just saying that within the confines of what Bo would allow to be said, Forbes should be more forthcoming. He said in one of the interviews a couple of weeks ago that his injury would be sort of an on and off thing (paraphrasing), which threw up an orange flag for me right then, altho I didn't mention it. He told us all about Rodriguez's surgery, but not Bo's? This is just my honesty and transparency talking, in case it wasn't obvious.....

(11-20-2018 01:24 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 11:56 AM)Running_Fool15 Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 12:17 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  And as I posted 3 weeks ago, this injury with Bo is "VERY worrisome".

Now I agree with you. I guess the one "upside" is that if it is serious, he will 100 percent get a redshirt.

Well...…….thanks? I'm not sure what made you change your mind, tho. From my perspective, his situation is still the same as it was 2 weeks ago. 3 weeks ago. 3 months ago. 8 months ago (well, not quite).

And while there may be no discussions or plans to red-shirt Bo -- again, one could have said that 2 weeks ago, or 3 weeks ago, or 3 months ago, etc...…….

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying we should push him back out on the court - we've seen that backfire several times already in the past. I'm just saying that within the confines of what Bo would allow to be said, Forbes should be more forthcoming. He said in one of the interviews a couple of weeks ago that his injury would be sort of an on and off thing (paraphrasing), which threw up an orange flag for me right then, altho I didn't mention it. He told us all about Rodriguez's surgery, but not Bo's? This is just my honesty and transparency talking, in case it wasn't obvious.....

I don't agree. The situation is entirely different because now he is missing games. 2 weeks ago, 3 weeks ago, 3 months ago we didn't have any indication that games would be missed due to the management of this injury (at least not in any strong sense). Now, we do have this indication, which is why I've changed my mind.

Also, I COMPLETELY disagree that Forbes should be more forthcoming. For one, I've rarely seen a coach provide more information on his team on a day to day basis than Forbes. He doesn't have to disclose injuries at all, yet for the most part has been extremely open with these. We are entitled to *NO* information regarding injuries to players, but yet time and time again he's been predominantly forthcoming regarding them. I suspect it may also lie somewhat with the athlete's comfort in having this info disclosed. Regardless, I don't think he owes us anything regarding Bo's injury.

(11-20-2018 01:47 PM)Running_Fool15 Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 01:24 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  Well...…….thanks? I'm not sure what made you change your mind, tho. From my perspective, his situation is still the same as it was 2 weeks ago. 3 weeks ago. 3 months ago. 8 months ago (well, not quite).

And while there may be no discussions or plans to red-shirt Bo -- again, one could have said that 2 weeks ago, or 3 weeks ago, or 3 months ago, etc...…….

I don't agree. The situation is entirely different because now he is missing games. 2 weeks ago, 3 weeks ago, 3 months ago we didn't have any indication that games would be missed due to the management of this injury (at least not in any strong sense). Now, we do have this indication, which is why I've changed my mind.

I personally don't believe the situation is entirely different. It's just "playing out" (pun intended). Maybe my background gave me more insight, but I believe that indication was there, certainly weeks ago; and I believe there was 'smoke' 3 months ago. We're learning more, true - but I didn't post what I did back then just for grins.

Hopefully this will all be inconsequential in the long run...……..

And we'll just have to (respectfully) disagree about the disclosure parameters. Again, if Bo wants no medical information released, then that trumps all. I'm just sayin', IF that's NOT the case. But Forbes has revealed that "surgery" has been done. That's not trivial, in most cases, especially involving the knee, ankle, whatever.
And I think we'll get more clarity within the next few weeks or so, but what if we don't? Oh well.....

(11-20-2018 02:29 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 01:47 PM)Running_Fool15 Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 01:24 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  Well...…….thanks? I'm not sure what made you change your mind, tho. From my perspective, his situation is still the same as it was 2 weeks ago. 3 weeks ago. 3 months ago. 8 months ago (well, not quite).

And while there may be no discussions or plans to red-shirt Bo -- again, one could have said that 2 weeks ago, or 3 weeks ago, or 3 months ago, etc...…….

I don't agree. The situation is entirely different because now he is missing games. 2 weeks ago, 3 weeks ago, 3 months ago we didn't have any indication that games would be missed due to the management of this injury (at least not in any strong sense). Now, we do have this indication, which is why I've changed my mind.

I personally don't believe the situation is entirely different. It's just "playing out" (pun intended). Maybe my background gave me more insight, but I believe that indication was there, certainly weeks ago; and I believe there was 'smoke' 3 months ago. We're learning more, true - but I didn't post what I did back then just for grins.

Hopefully this will all be inconsequential in the long run...……..

And we'll just have to (respectfully) disagree about the disclosure parameters. Again, if Bo wants no medical information released, then that trumps all. I'm just sayin', IF that's NOT the case. But Forbes has revealed that "surgery" has been done. That's not trivial, in most cases, especially involving the knee, ankle, whatever.
And I think we'll get more clarity within the next few weeks or so, but what if we don't? Oh well.....

Fair enough. We will definitely have to agree to disagree, as I don't believe any disclosure is required. But, regardless, you're right we will get more clarity soon I'd imagine.

I thought it was Bo's groin this time.