(11-14-2018 04:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 02:24 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  "The women would be told that they could not leave until their tubes were tied, cut or cauterized, she added, or that "they could not see their baby until they agreed."

And people scoffed when Sarah Palin talked about death panels......

How long before Government deems anyone over 30 to be "too expensive" and therefore needs to be "renewed".....

A lot of Democrats under 30 already talk that way.

Ah, Logan's Run! That's when I first discovered that I had a big time crush on Jenny Agutter. If I had to escape from real life in 1977 and repopulate the world what a magnificent sacrifice that would have been, my wife not withstanding of course!

(11-14-2018 01:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  At may age and current state of health, single-payer would be a death sentence for me. I'm over 60 and a cancer survivor. I have a pretty active life. Single-payer would tell me I'd lived long enough, so go enjoy dying.

What's sad, millennials place more value on a 21 year old homeless drug addict's life, than a college educated over 60 who paid into the system their entire life and may get nothing for it. I kind of liken this to "Logan's Run", once you're over a certain age, it's your patriotic duty to die.

(11-14-2018 01:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 01:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  At may age and current state of health, single-payer would be a death sentence for me. I'm over 60 and a cancer survivor. I have a pretty active life. Single-payer would tell me I'd lived long enough, so go enjoy dying.

Aren't you all prepared to leave the USA already anyway?

Far from “all”. Only a few can afford that luxury.

(11-14-2018 03:19 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Don’t forget the demonization of opposing views and religion. Along with the underlying socialism from henceforth came the very name ‘Nazi’.

The word “Nazi” stood for both Nationalism and Socialism. A dangerous mix.

(11-14-2018 02:24 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  "The women would be told that they could not leave until their tubes were tied, cut or cauterized, she added, or that "they could not see their baby until they agreed."

And people scoffed when Sarah Palin talked about death panels......

How long before Government deems anyone over 30 to be "too expensive" and therefore needs to be "renewed".....

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(11-14-2018 03:52 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 02:15 PM)TTT Wrote:  What's scary is many on the left fail to realize the simple notion that Dan McLaughlin framed pefectly in the national review: when it comes to healthcare, you CANNOT have universality, high quality, & affordability. You can only have 2 of those. This is iron law across all countries.

You want universality and affordability HC? That means you get terrible quality of care.
You want high quality and universality HC? That means it's going to be expensive.
You want affordability and high quality HC? That means it's not universal and everyone can't get it.

You cannot have all three.

Brief aside, but this is broader in scope than just healthcare. It's involved in everything that involves economic exchanges. It boils down to a 3 legged stool for Cost, Quality and Deliverables to Customers (access for healthcare, on time delivery if we're talking about goods/services).

It's similar to the Good, Fast or Cheap Rules we use in my industry.
I can design something for you good and fast..but it won't come cheap.
I can design something for you cheap and fast...but it won't be good.
I can design something good and cheap...but it won't be fast.

(11-14-2018 06:03 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 01:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 01:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  At may age and current state of health, single-payer would be a death sentence for me. I'm over 60 and a cancer survivor. I have a pretty active life. Single-payer would tell me I'd lived long enough, so go enjoy dying.

Aren't you all prepared to leave the USA already anyway?

Far from “all”. Only a few can afford that luxury.

I meant being fully prepared as in just him...not that all were. And yes, Owl has claimed on more than one occasion how financially sound he is, so his claims that the little ole ACA is taking his life and livelihood are specious.

(11-14-2018 01:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 01:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  At may age and current state of health, single-payer would be a death sentence for me. I'm over 60 and a cancer survivor. I have a pretty active life. Single-payer would tell me I'd lived long enough, so go enjoy dying.

It is intended to be. The elderly are the new Jews in the propaganda of the left. Why us? We know them for who they are and pose the greatest obstacle to their objectives because we were alive and have fought and beaten them in the past. When Boomers are gone, like their parents before them, the last generation victorious over fascism and communism will be dead.

They've had our kids under their tutelage since the early 80's. They've redacted much of our history and if you attended a college history class today and read the textbook you wouldn't recognize what you have lived.

We are the last touchstone to an age of reason that educated, mobilized, and defeated their philosophies. So a passive genocide by the withholding of care based on age deadlines for key procedures is their Zyclon B for our generation.

They know when we are gone so too will be the resistance to the confiscation of weapons, the insistence upon free speech, the insistence upon the rights of the individual, and the insistence upon the rights of personal property.

Spend some time talking to the young about these issues Owl and you will discover just how close we are to losing our freedom. And all of it is because we have ignored what was being taught to our kids. It will open your eyes to why our only hope is to take back the classrooms from the left.

To think that we are only a generation or two removed from that age of enlightened reason and then to think we are only a generation or two removed from losing it all...

(11-14-2018 05:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 04:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 02:24 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  "The women would be told that they could not leave until their tubes were tied, cut or cauterized, she added, or that "they could not see their baby until they agreed."

And people scoffed when Sarah Palin talked about death panels......

How long before Government deems anyone over 30 to be "too expensive" and therefore needs to be "renewed".....

A lot of Democrats under 30 already talk that way.

Ah, Logan's Run! That's when I first discovered that I had a big time crush on Jenny Agutter. If I had to escape from real life in 1977 and repopulate the world what a magnificent sacrifice that would have been, my wife not withstanding of course!

I'm right there with you.

Being a young man and seeing the naked parts certainly helped.

(11-15-2018 08:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 06:03 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 01:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 01:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  At may age and current state of health, single-payer would be a death sentence for me. I'm over 60 and a cancer survivor. I have a pretty active life. Single-payer would tell me I'd lived long enough, so go enjoy dying.

Aren't you all prepared to leave the USA already anyway?

Far from “all”. Only a few can afford that luxury.

I meant being fully prepared as in just him...not that all were. And yes, Owl has claimed on more than one occasion how financially sound he is, so his claims that the little ole ACA is taking his life and livelihood are specious.

LOL — sorry about the misunderstanding. I translated “you all” into Southern “y’all”

(11-15-2018 09:42 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 01:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 01:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  At may age and current state of health, single-payer would be a death sentence for me. I'm over 60 and a cancer survivor. I have a pretty active life. Single-payer would tell me I'd lived long enough, so go enjoy dying.

It is intended to be. The elderly are the new Jews in the propaganda of the left. Why us? We know them for who they are and pose the greatest obstacle to their objectives because we were alive and have fought and beaten them in the past. When Boomers are gone, like their parents before them, the last generation victorious over fascism and communism will be dead.

They've had our kids under their tutelage since the early 80's. They've redacted much of our history and if you attended a college history class today and read the textbook you wouldn't recognize what you have lived.

We are the last touchstone to an age of reason that educated, mobilized, and defeated their philosophies. So a passive genocide by the withholding of care based on age deadlines for key procedures is their Zyclon B for our generation.

They know when we are gone so too will be the resistance to the confiscation of weapons, the insistence upon free speech, the insistence upon the rights of the individual, and the insistence upon the rights of personal property.

Spend some time talking to the young about these issues Owl and you will discover just how close we are to losing our freedom. And all of it is because we have ignored what was being taught to our kids. It will open your eyes to why our only hope is to take back the classrooms from the left.

To think that we are only a generation or two removed from that age of enlightened reason and then to think we are only a generation or two removed from losing it all...

What I wasn't prepared for is their absolute confidence amid their ignorance and their vehement hatred for correction or instruction. And when I think they might have to care for me in my dotage it makes me want to fulfill my Alzheimer's emergency plan. Buy an old boat, load it up with food, beer and bait, and put out for the Gulf Stream and fish until the fish get me. At least I would die happy and the ocean is a bit more merciful than morons running a nursing home!

(11-15-2018 10:10 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 05:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 04:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 02:24 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  "The women would be told that they could not leave until their tubes were tied, cut or cauterized, she added, or that "they could not see their baby until they agreed."

And people scoffed when Sarah Palin talked about death panels......

How long before Government deems anyone over 30 to be "too expensive" and therefore needs to be "renewed".....

A lot of Democrats under 30 already talk that way.

Ah, Logan's Run! That's when I first discovered that I had a big time crush on Jenny Agutter. If I had to escape from real life in 1977 and repopulate the world what a magnificent sacrifice that would have been, my wife not withstanding of course!

I'm right there with you.

Being a young man and seeing the naked parts certainly helped.

We live in a PC world now Badger. You weren't seeing the naked parts. You were checking your testosterone levels.