(11-07-2018 01:40 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  We need another Justin Rascati. A tough as nails leader.

Rodney Landers was such a special player...wish his ankle had held up...that would likely have been our second NC...if Montana was dirty, twisting his ankles every run.

(11-07-2018 01:56 PM)DukedoG06 Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 01:40 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  We need another Justin Rascati. A tough as nails leader.

Rodney Landers was such a special player...wish his ankle had held up...that would likely have been our second NC...if Montana was dirty, twisting his ankles every run.

One more half.

That was as close as you could get to a one man offense.

(11-07-2018 11:03 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 10:56 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 05:41 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-04-2018 12:23 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(11-04-2018 12:15 PM)Madison 91 Forever Wrote:  There should be no controversy at all. Johnson improved the offense. One of his picks was essentially a Hail Mary toward the end of the first half. His fumble was brought about due to the O line yet again completely failing to stop the UNH from getting to the QB, as a result of which Cole was hit from behind.

Cole should absolutely start this Saturday, and will be shocked if he doesn't.

Johnson’s pick six INT was a horrible throw, and IMO his play yesterday did not earn him the starting role. So, in that regard it will be an interesting decision that rests with MH. I think the season, indeed the potential to make the playoffs, rests with MH making the right call as to who starts at QB. As of now I have little confidence in the OL and OC, and JMU has zero margin of error left to keep JMU playoff bound.

I have a lot of confidence in the OC - Donnie Kirkpatrick. He played the hand given to him. I and some others said early in the season it was evident Ben's weakness in downfield passing was a major weakness. Opponents spotted the same thing, and learned how to defense him/our offense.

What you will see the next two weeks with Cole at QB is a more balanced offense. It will appear to the offensive line is playing better, but much of the improvement will be due to the lack of predictability of the offense.

This quick hook was due to what Houston, Kirkpatrick, and the rest of the league saw in Ben. We were unable to have a balanced offense with no downfield passing game.

When the offense is predictable due to the limits of the QB it can make the blocking look bad.

Ok, then why was the oline blocking bad all year last season......did defenses not respect Schor's downfield game and predictable play calling? Schor was running for his life last season and the running lanes were poor last season too.

I believe the blocking will "appear" improved the next two weeks.

Is it because they had a hell a week or two of practice blocking, or defenses now have to defense a intermediate/down field passing game?

Or option 3
THe opposing defense isn’t as good against the run.
Rhode Island and Towson have middling run defenses.

JMU blocking May appear better without actually being better the next 2 weeks.

(11-07-2018 02:37 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 11:03 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 10:56 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 05:41 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-04-2018 12:23 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Johnson’s pick six INT was a horrible throw, and IMO his play yesterday did not earn him the starting role. So, in that regard it will be an interesting decision that rests with MH. I think the season, indeed the potential to make the playoffs, rests with MH making the right call as to who starts at QB. As of now I have little confidence in the OL and OC, and JMU has zero margin of error left to keep JMU playoff bound.

I have a lot of confidence in the OC - Donnie Kirkpatrick. He played the hand given to him. I and some others said early in the season it was evident Ben's weakness in downfield passing was a major weakness. Opponents spotted the same thing, and learned how to defense him/our offense.

What you will see the next two weeks with Cole at QB is a more balanced offense. It will appear to the offensive line is playing better, but much of the improvement will be due to the lack of predictability of the offense.

This quick hook was due to what Houston, Kirkpatrick, and the rest of the league saw in Ben. We were unable to have a balanced offense with no downfield passing game.

When the offense is predictable due to the limits of the QB it can make the blocking look bad.

Ok, then why was the oline blocking bad all year last season......did defenses not respect Schor's downfield game and predictable play calling? Schor was running for his life last season and the running lanes were poor last season too.

I believe the blocking will "appear" improved the next two weeks.

Is it because they had a hell a week or two of practice blocking, or defenses now have to defense a intermediate/down field passing game?

Or option 3
THe opposing defense isn’t as good against the run.
Rhode Island and Towson have middling run defenses.

JMU blocking May appear better without actually being better the next 2 weeks.

It’s been said teams that can beat the Bison have 3 attributes:
1) tough defense
2) can run the ball
3) few or no turnovers

Whoever plays at QB, we really need to solve items 2 and 3 if we hope for a shot at another title in January.

Biggest disappointment in both CoJo and Nooch is the turnovers, that needs to stop.

(11-07-2018 02:37 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 11:03 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 10:56 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 05:41 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-04-2018 12:23 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Johnson’s pick six INT was a horrible throw, and IMO his play yesterday did not earn him the starting role. So, in that regard it will be an interesting decision that rests with MH. I think the season, indeed the potential to make the playoffs, rests with MH making the right call as to who starts at QB. As of now I have little confidence in the OL and OC, and JMU has zero margin of error left to keep JMU playoff bound.

I have a lot of confidence in the OC - Donnie Kirkpatrick. He played the hand given to him. I and some others said early in the season it was evident Ben's weakness in downfield passing was a major weakness. Opponents spotted the same thing, and learned how to defense him/our offense.

What you will see the next two weeks with Cole at QB is a more balanced offense. It will appear to the offensive line is playing better, but much of the improvement will be due to the lack of predictability of the offense.

This quick hook was due to what Houston, Kirkpatrick, and the rest of the league saw in Ben. We were unable to have a balanced offense with no downfield passing game.

When the offense is predictable due to the limits of the QB it can make the blocking look bad.

Ok, then why was the oline blocking bad all year last season......did defenses not respect Schor's downfield game and predictable play calling? Schor was running for his life last season and the running lanes were poor last season too.

I believe the blocking will "appear" improved the next two weeks.

Is it because they had a hell a week or two of practice blocking, or defenses now have to defense a intermediate/down field passing game?

Or option 3
THe opposing defense isn’t as good against the run.
Rhode Island and Towson have middling run defenses.

JMU blocking May appear better without actually being better the next 2 weeks.

exactly, that is a factor also.....elon, VU, SB, UNH all pretty good defenses.

i sure hope the blocking looks better for one reason or another soon.

(11-07-2018 02:59 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 02:37 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 11:03 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 10:56 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 05:41 AM)Dukester Wrote:  I have a lot of confidence in the OC - Donnie Kirkpatrick. He played the hand given to him. I and some others said early in the season it was evident Ben's weakness in downfield passing was a major weakness. Opponents spotted the same thing, and learned how to defense him/our offense.

What you will see the next two weeks with Cole at QB is a more balanced offense. It will appear to the offensive line is playing better, but much of the improvement will be due to the lack of predictability of the offense.

This quick hook was due to what Houston, Kirkpatrick, and the rest of the league saw in Ben. We were unable to have a balanced offense with no downfield passing game.

When the offense is predictable due to the limits of the QB it can make the blocking look bad.

Ok, then why was the oline blocking bad all year last season......did defenses not respect Schor's downfield game and predictable play calling? Schor was running for his life last season and the running lanes were poor last season too.

I believe the blocking will "appear" improved the next two weeks.

Is it because they had a hell a week or two of practice blocking, or defenses now have to defense a intermediate/down field passing game?

Or option 3
THe opposing defense isn’t as good against the run.
Rhode Island and Towson have middling run defenses.

JMU blocking May appear better without actually being better the next 2 weeks.

It’s been said teams that can beat the Bison have 3 attributes:
1) tough defense
2) can run the ball
3) few or no turnovers

Whoever plays at QB, we really need to solve items 2 and 3 if we hope for a shot at another title in January.

Biggest disappointment in both CoJo and Nooch is the turnovers, that needs to stop.

8 INTs total on the season. Ben has 5 with 198 attempts (not bad - 1 every 39.6 attempts). Cole has 3 with 63 attempts (1 every 21 attempts).

JMU also has 8 fumbles lost.....did not look up to see who had them all.

(11-07-2018 03:13 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 02:59 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 02:37 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 11:03 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 10:56 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Ok, then why was the oline blocking bad all year last season......did defenses not respect Schor's downfield game and predictable play calling? Schor was running for his life last season and the running lanes were poor last season too.

I believe the blocking will "appear" improved the next two weeks.

Is it because they had a hell a week or two of practice blocking, or defenses now have to defense a intermediate/down field passing game?

Or option 3
THe opposing defense isn’t as good against the run.
Rhode Island and Towson have middling run defenses.

JMU blocking May appear better without actually being better the next 2 weeks.

It’s been said teams that can beat the Bison have 3 attributes:
1) tough defense
2) can run the ball
3) few or no turnovers

Whoever plays at QB, we really need to solve items 2 and 3 if we hope for a shot at another title in January.

Biggest disappointment in both CoJo and Nooch is the turnovers, that needs to stop.

8 INTs total on the season. Ben has 5 with 198 attempts (not bad - 1 every 39.6 attempts). Cole has 3 with 63 attempts (1 every 21 attempts).

JMU also has 8 fumbles lost.....did not look up to see who had them all.

Guess I was focusing more on the UNH game than our overall season averages. Just concerned it feels like turnovers are becoming a trend recently for both QBs. Something like 6 out of 13 drives ended in a fumble or INT. Thats rediculous, and both QBs had issues. Hopefully it was a one game quirk that gets solved.

(11-07-2018 03:32 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 03:13 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 02:59 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 02:37 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 11:03 AM)Dukester Wrote:  I believe the blocking will "appear" improved the next two weeks.

Is it because they had a hell a week or two of practice blocking, or defenses now have to defense a intermediate/down field passing game?

Or option 3
THe opposing defense isn’t as good against the run.
Rhode Island and Towson have middling run defenses.

JMU blocking May appear better without actually being better the next 2 weeks.

It’s been said teams that can beat the Bison have 3 attributes:
1) tough defense
2) can run the ball
3) few or no turnovers

Whoever plays at QB, we really need to solve items 2 and 3 if we hope for a shot at another title in January.

Biggest disappointment in both CoJo and Nooch is the turnovers, that needs to stop.

8 INTs total on the season. Ben has 5 with 198 attempts (not bad - 1 every 39.6 attempts). Cole has 3 with 63 attempts (1 every 21 attempts).

JMU also has 8 fumbles lost.....did not look up to see who had them all.

Guess I was focusing more on the UNH game than our overall season averages. Just concerned it feels like turnovers are becoming a trend recently for both QBs. Something like 6 out of 13 drives ended in a fumble or INT. Thats rediculous, and both QBs had issues. Hopefully it was a one game quirk that gets solved.

I agree, I hope the UNH game was more of a turnover outlier. (turnovers also cost us the elon game....but not by qb). The worst is 2 turnovers in a game that get returned for TDs.

(11-07-2018 11:02 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 07:57 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 07:43 AM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  Unless the O line plays better, in run blocking to keep defenses honest and pass blocking, whether Ben or Cole starts, opposing defenses will get through to either of them (regular rush and/or blitzes). Ben might escape some of the pressure, Cole is not as mobile so will most likely get sacked more.

It also seemed that his mobility got him into deeper and deeper trouble turning more than a few 5 yard sacks into 17 yard sacks. What I saw observing from the 50 yard line on Saturday when Cole was playing was when the pocket started to collapse, he made a quick decision to pull the ball in and run forward. And it led to some decent gains, some completed passes and to some shorter sacks.

I am not lobbying for either QB here.....but that is what Ben was doing early in the season and everyone complained about him running and running too soon instead of looking downfield on the scramble......so he stopped doing that and there goes that aspect of his skillset.

I know the coaches admitted limited QB runs last year during regular season for fear of injury. You cannot play football worrying about injuries. Whoever you choose to play, the play-calling and game action should be slanted to their skillset.

That being said if you start Cole.....scrap the RPO play-calling because that is simply not his skillset. Just hand off, straight play-action, or pass.

Totally agree, what I see- esp in the 3-3 stack looks is that the blitz packages totally blow up the RPO, whether it's a run, keeper, or pass. esp if we keep RB in for coverage the only dump is to the TE and there is either no time or the qb skill set cant find the safety valve on a given play. Scratch RPO if we go CJ, but he cannot sit in pocket for over 3.5 seconds or he will be strip sacked or hit while throwing. If BD we need more designed rollouts, move the pocket laterally get him in space so he can operate.

(11-07-2018 03:13 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 02:59 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 02:37 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 11:03 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 10:56 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Ok, then why was the oline blocking bad all year last season......did defenses not respect Schor's downfield game and predictable play calling? Schor was running for his life last season and the running lanes were poor last season too.

I believe the blocking will "appear" improved the next two weeks.

Is it because they had a hell a week or two of practice blocking, or defenses now have to defense a intermediate/down field passing game?

Or option 3
THe opposing defense isn’t as good against the run.
Rhode Island and Towson have middling run defenses.

JMU blocking May appear better without actually being better the next 2 weeks.

It’s been said teams that can beat the Bison have 3 attributes:
1) tough defense
2) can run the ball
3) few or no turnovers

Whoever plays at QB, we really need to solve items 2 and 3 if we hope for a shot at another title in January.

Biggest disappointment in both CoJo and Nooch is the turnovers, that needs to stop.

8 INTs total on the season. Ben has 5 with 198 attempts (not bad - 1 every 39.6 attempts). Cole has 3 with 63 attempts (1 every 21 attempts).

JMU also has 8 fumbles lost.....did not look up to see who had them all.

The scary part is Cole had all three picks in one game, the only game he's had any significant playing time. Three picks, zero touchdowns. Not good.

Another factor is UNH was very good at stripping the ball. Every tackle they were trying to strip. We should do more of that. I know some consider it cheap-shot, desperation football, but it works and a win is a win.

Parroting a lot, but have to get it all out there so I apologize for the diatribe. The thing we need most from QB is to not turn it over. Period. So whichever QB will do that less, I'm all for him. But problems are way deeper than QB. OL is biggest cause for concern. The unit wasn't great to begin with and losing Jackson made them worse. Run blocking is more suspect than pass pro but picking up blitzes has proven troublesome too. OC has been poor with play calling. With bad OL that has struggled in downhill run game, you must first pass to get men out of box to free up run game. The drives with back to back runs to set up 3rd and 7+ need to be fewer and further between. Setting the QB/whole offense up for failure. More drives like first one at Nova needed. Less drives like opening one Saturday (post flea flicker) -- think b2b runs to set up 3rd&8+ followed by sack fumble.
Each running back has a skillset. Johnson most well rounded. Sharp best in tight areas. Marshall game breaker when gaping holes. My guess is #29 has seen more limited snaps because no gaping holes conducive to his running style behind this OL. (I agree -- I'd like to see Percy more due to size/speed/physicality combo. Very good in limited sample). RBs aren't the problem, but you bet they're P'Od with the space they've had to operate and lack of creativity in getting them the ball in space.
Back to the QBs. The myth that there is only 1 QB on the roster that can throw it vertically needs be put to rest. Cole MAY do it better, but Ben (when given the chance by the OC!!) has shown he can do it. (Kendyl Dean 39 yard fly route down right sidelines against Elon to set up go-ahead TD 24-20, Dean drawing a PI against SB, Stapleton drop against SB). Three of the only times Ben has been given the chance to uncork one and it's produced 2/3 positive results and would be 3/3 if Riley could catch. Dare I mention #10 dropping several back-shoulder jump ball touchdowns this season.
As for Dinucci, the fumble before half against SB, the sack fumble at UNH followed by the interception were truly awful. But he hasn't been awful this season. Good against NC State, FGs instead of TDs vs Elon (whole offense's problem; not just QB), and solid one-turnover or less game manager in the wins.
For the Cole camp, I'm not sure what you saw Saturday that definitely sold you. Was it the two-yard out route from the far hash to near sidelines pick 6? Or perhaps the inability to sense a collapsing pocket that led to another turnover killing a drive and a slow boil momentum just after half. (Also, there was plenty of time for 15-20 yards and a spike to go down 21-6 at half versus 21-3. But give him and Donnie a pass for a Hail Mary duck? Huh. Or maybe it was SDSU last year staring down his primary target in a quasi-pick 6 after the game had been decided. If 398 yards against prevent defense trailing by 3TDs is all y'all are going on for as why 12 is the answer, yikes. If not all you are basing it on, then let me know the other reasons. Ben would have piled up garbage time stats as well.
Again, I just want to win. In my opinion, 12 is a sitting duck back there. I think you open yourself up more to the dreaded collapsing pocket and strip sack with him. As for arm talent, everything I've seen from him says he doesn't haven't the decision making capability to protect the ball.
Dinucci has been poor in recent weeks, but has demonstrated he can be a capable game manager when called upon. His ability to escape the pocket (behind suspect OL) and extend plays with his legs (need QB run game if going to struggle with traditional RB game) give JMU a better chance to win IMO. Donnie could and should open it up more from the jump (not when just down 3TDs), find better ways to mask disappointing OL to get playmakers ball in space (jet sweeps, more RB screens) to stay out of the 3rd&8+s and have more 3rd&2s (where QB run is something D must account for) which will give Dinucci a chance to operate a more dynamic offense that is harder to game-plan for and defend and one where his skillset can be better utilized.

(11-07-2018 08:51 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 03:13 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  8 INTs total on the season. Ben has 5 with 198 attempts (not bad - 1 every 39.6 attempts). Cole has 3 with 63 attempts (1 every 21 attempts).

JMU also has 8 fumbles lost.....did not look up to see who had them all.

The scary part is Cole had all three picks in one game, the only game he's had any significant playing time. Three picks, zero touchdowns. Not good.

Of those 63 attempts, I'm guessing ~15 of those came in garbage time to W&M or Robert Morris when JMU was up 50+ points and then the 1(?) from NCST. So 3 INTs in ~50 "meaningful" passes brings that down to like 1 INT every ~16 passes.

Don't yell at me for bending facts either. If you want to argue that the 'hail mary' didn't count has an INT, then let's not count other passes on that drive or from Q4 when the defense was basically playing prevent and wasn't worried about the short passes. Then run a metric on turnovers to plays causing im guessing Ben has a 4 to 1 advantage there.

(11-07-2018 09:29 PM)DukeDogDisciple Wrote:  Parroting a lot, but have to get it all out there so I apologize for the diatribe. The thing we need most from QB is to not turn it over. Period. So whichever QB will do that less, I'm all for him. But problems are way deeper than QB. OL is biggest cause for concern. The unit wasn't great to begin with and losing Jackson made them worse. Run blocking is more suspect than pass pro but picking up blitzes has proven troublesome too. OC has been poor with play calling. With bad OL that has struggled in downhill run game, you must first pass to get men out of box to free up run game. The drives with back to back runs to set up 3rd and 7+ need to be fewer and further between. Setting the QB/whole offense up for failure. More drives like first one at Nova needed. Less drives like opening one Saturday (post flea flicker) -- think b2b runs to set up 3rd&8+ followed by sack fumble.
Each running back has a skillset. Johnson most well rounded. Sharp best in tight areas. Marshall game breaker when gaping holes. My guess is #29 has seen more limited snaps because no gaping holes conducive to his running style behind this OL. (I agree -- I'd like to see Percy more due to size/speed/physicality combo. Very good in limited sample). RBs aren't the problem, but you bet they're P'Od with the space they've had to operate and lack of creativity in getting them the ball in space.
Back to the QBs. The myth that there is only 1 QB on the roster that can throw it vertically needs be put to rest. Cole MAY do it better, but Ben (when given the chance by the OC!!) has shown he can do it. (Kendyl Dean 39 yard fly route down right sidelines against Elon to set up go-ahead TD 24-20, Dean drawing a PI against SB, Stapleton drop against SB). Three of the only times Ben has been given the chance to uncork one and it's produced 2/3 positive results and would be 3/3 if Riley could catch. Dare I mention #10 dropping several back-shoulder jump ball touchdowns this season.
As for Dinucci, the fumble before half against SB, the sack fumble at UNH followed by the interception were truly awful. But he hasn't been awful this season. Good against NC State, FGs instead of TDs vs Elon (whole offense's problem; not just QB), and solid one-turnover or less game manager in the wins.
For the Cole camp, I'm not sure what you saw Saturday that definitely sold you. Was it the two-yard out route from the far hash to near sidelines pick 6? Or perhaps the inability to sense a collapsing pocket that led to another turnover killing a drive and a slow boil momentum just after half. (Also, there was plenty of time for 15-20 yards and a spike to go down 21-6 at half versus 21-3. But give him and Donnie a pass for a Hail Mary duck? Huh. Or maybe it was SDSU last year staring down his primary target in a quasi-pick 6 after the game had been decided. If 398 yards against prevent defense trailing by 3TDs is all y'all are going on for as why 12 is the answer, yikes. If not all you are basing it on, then let me know the other reasons. Ben would have piled up garbage time stats as well.
Again, I just want to win. In my opinion, 12 is a sitting duck back there. I think you open yourself up more to the dreaded collapsing pocket and strip sack with him. As for arm talent, everything I've seen from him says he doesn't haven't the decision making capability to protect the ball.
Dinucci has been poor in recent weeks, but has demonstrated he can be a capable game manager when called upon. His ability to escape the pocket (behind suspect OL) and extend plays with his legs (need QB run game if going to struggle with traditional RB game) give JMU a better chance to win IMO. Donnie could and should open it up more from the jump (not when just down 3TDs), find better ways to mask disappointing OL to get playmakers ball in space (jet sweeps, more RB screens) to stay out of the 3rd&8+s and have more 3rd&2s (where QB run is something D must account for) which will give Dinucci a chance to operate a more dynamic offense that is harder to game-plan for and defend and one where his skillset can be better utilized.

Welcome. Your first post is spot on!

(11-07-2018 09:50 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:29 PM)DukeDogDisciple Wrote:  Parroting a lot, but have to get it all out there so I apologize for the diatribe. The thing we need most from QB is to not turn it over. Period. So whichever QB will do that less, I'm all for him. But problems are way deeper than QB. OL is biggest cause for concern. The unit wasn't great to begin with and losing Jackson made them worse. Run blocking is more suspect than pass pro but picking up blitzes has proven troublesome too. OC has been poor with play calling. With bad OL that has struggled in downhill run game, you must first pass to get men out of box to free up run game. The drives with back to back runs to set up 3rd and 7+ need to be fewer and further between. Setting the QB/whole offense up for failure. More drives like first one at Nova needed. Less drives like opening one Saturday (post flea flicker) -- think b2b runs to set up 3rd&8+ followed by sack fumble.
Each running back has a skillset. Johnson most well rounded. Sharp best in tight areas. Marshall game breaker when gaping holes. My guess is #29 has seen more limited snaps because no gaping holes conducive to his running style behind this OL. (I agree -- I'd like to see Percy more due to size/speed/physicality combo. Very good in limited sample). RBs aren't the problem, but you bet they're P'Od with the space they've had to operate and lack of creativity in getting them the ball in space.
Back to the QBs. The myth that there is only 1 QB on the roster that can throw it vertically needs be put to rest. Cole MAY do it better, but Ben (when given the chance by the OC!!) has shown he can do it. (Kendyl Dean 39 yard fly route down right sidelines against Elon to set up go-ahead TD 24-20, Dean drawing a PI against SB, Stapleton drop against SB). Three of the only times Ben has been given the chance to uncork one and it's produced 2/3 positive results and would be 3/3 if Riley could catch. Dare I mention #10 dropping several back-shoulder jump ball touchdowns this season.
As for Dinucci, the fumble before half against SB, the sack fumble at UNH followed by the interception were truly awful. But he hasn't been awful this season. Good against NC State, FGs instead of TDs vs Elon (whole offense's problem; not just QB), and solid one-turnover or less game manager in the wins.
For the Cole camp, I'm not sure what you saw Saturday that definitely sold you. Was it the two-yard out route from the far hash to near sidelines pick 6? Or perhaps the inability to sense a collapsing pocket that led to another turnover killing a drive and a slow boil momentum just after half. (Also, there was plenty of time for 15-20 yards and a spike to go down 21-6 at half versus 21-3. But give him and Donnie a pass for a Hail Mary duck? Huh. Or maybe it was SDSU last year staring down his primary target in a quasi-pick 6 after the game had been decided. If 398 yards against prevent defense trailing by 3TDs is all y'all are going on for as why 12 is the answer, yikes. If not all you are basing it on, then let me know the other reasons. Ben would have piled up garbage time stats as well.
Again, I just want to win. In my opinion, 12 is a sitting duck back there. I think you open yourself up more to the dreaded collapsing pocket and strip sack with him. As for arm talent, everything I've seen from him says he doesn't haven't the decision making capability to protect the ball.
Dinucci has been poor in recent weeks, but has demonstrated he can be a capable game manager when called upon. His ability to escape the pocket (behind suspect OL) and extend plays with his legs (need QB run game if going to struggle with traditional RB game) give JMU a better chance to win IMO. Donnie could and should open it up more from the jump (not when just down 3TDs), find better ways to mask disappointing OL to get playmakers ball in space (jet sweeps, more RB screens) to stay out of the 3rd&8+s and have more 3rd&2s (where QB run is something D must account for) which will give Dinucci a chance to operate a more dynamic offense that is harder to game-plan for and defend and one where his skillset can be better utilized.

Welcome. Your first post is spot on!

Good stuff. I dont think all of the 398 yds came on a prevent D though. Pass to KD was a dime. Only halfway through 4th qtr after the drive killing hit/pick did I see unh go prevent as they knew mathematically time was on their side... esp since they packed up the offense in 2nd half to run as much clock on each possession (why the knight long run was frustrating) to take them from a reachable 28 pt to 35 pts clinched it for them.

To answer your question, I think people went to CJ camp bc they saw points go on the board, and get multiple drives down field for the first time in 3+ weeks. Without the 3 direct turnovers that led to unh points, that game is right there for the win and people's perception is that was due to the switch to CJ. For those who say BD could of done it as well.... you have to admit, he didn't for the past couple weeks. The fans didnt pull BD ... Houston did for a reason, likely the same reasons we've seen since the Elon game (yes we scored 24 pts, but we werent red zone converting and had the same drive stalling issues)

Hope i added to the conversation in a constructive manner.

(11-07-2018 09:29 PM)DukeDogDisciple Wrote:  Parroting a lot, but have to get it all out there so I apologize for the diatribe. The thing we need most from QB is to not turn it over. Period. So whichever QB will do that less, I'm all for him. But problems are way deeper than QB. OL is biggest cause for concern. The unit wasn't great to begin with and losing Jackson made them worse. Run blocking is more suspect than pass pro but picking up blitzes has proven troublesome too. OC has been poor with play calling. With bad OL that has struggled in downhill run game, you must first pass to get men out of box to free up run game. The drives with back to back runs to set up 3rd and 7+ need to be fewer and further between. Setting the QB/whole offense up for failure. More drives like first one at Nova needed. Less drives like opening one Saturday (post flea flicker) -- think b2b runs to set up 3rd&8+ followed by sack fumble.
Each running back has a skillset. Johnson most well rounded. Sharp best in tight areas. Marshall game breaker when gaping holes. My guess is #29 has seen more limited snaps because no gaping holes conducive to his running style behind this OL. (I agree -- I'd like to see Percy more due to size/speed/physicality combo. Very good in limited sample). RBs aren't the problem, but you bet they're P'Od with the space they've had to operate and lack of creativity in getting them the ball in space.
Back to the QBs. The myth that there is only 1 QB on the roster that can throw it vertically needs be put to rest. Cole MAY do it better, but Ben (when given the chance by the OC!!) has shown he can do it. (Kendyl Dean 39 yard fly route down right sidelines against Elon to set up go-ahead TD 24-20, Dean drawing a PI against SB, Stapleton drop against SB). Three of the only times Ben has been given the chance to uncork one and it's produced 2/3 positive results and would be 3/3 if Riley could catch. Dare I mention #10 dropping several back-shoulder jump ball touchdowns this season.
As for Dinucci, the fumble before half against SB, the sack fumble at UNH followed by the interception were truly awful. But he hasn't been awful this season. Good against NC State, FGs instead of TDs vs Elon (whole offense's problem; not just QB), and solid one-turnover or less game manager in the wins.
For the Cole camp, I'm not sure what you saw Saturday that definitely sold you. Was it the two-yard out route from the far hash to near sidelines pick 6? Or perhaps the inability to sense a collapsing pocket that led to another turnover killing a drive and a slow boil momentum just after half. (Also, there was plenty of time for 15-20 yards and a spike to go down 21-6 at half versus 21-3. But give him and Donnie a pass for a Hail Mary duck? Huh. Or maybe it was SDSU last year staring down his primary target in a quasi-pick 6 after the game had been decided. If 398 yards against prevent defense trailing by 3TDs is all y'all are going on for as why 12 is the answer, yikes. If not all you are basing it on, then let me know the other reasons. Ben would have piled up garbage time stats as well.
Again, I just want to win. In my opinion, 12 is a sitting duck back there. I think you open yourself up more to the dreaded collapsing pocket and strip sack with him. As for arm talent, everything I've seen from him says he doesn't haven't the decision making capability to protect the ball.
Dinucci has been poor in recent weeks, but has demonstrated he can be a capable game manager when called upon. His ability to escape the pocket (behind suspect OL) and extend plays with his legs (need QB run game if going to struggle with traditional RB game) give JMU a better chance to win IMO. Donnie could and should open it up more from the jump (not when just down 3TDs), find better ways to mask disappointing OL to get playmakers ball in space (jet sweeps, more RB screens) to stay out of the 3rd&8+s and have more 3rd&2s (where QB run is something D must account for) which will give Dinucci a chance to operate a more dynamic offense that is harder to game-plan for and defend and one where his skillset can be better utilized.

I think the reference to Ben not throwing a very good deep ball for me rests towards the beginning of the year when he under threw 2-3 passes down the sideline by 15 yards. I have not seen this in recent games from him though.

I agree with the point that Cole is going to be a sitting duck for fumbles being in the pocket with the current state of our o-line. Even when the WB has time to throw and the defenders aren’t getting a hand on him, the pocket is collapsing around him. I think Cole is not afraid to pull the trigger for better or for worse.

Ben has not turned the ball over as much as people on here have been saying. He has 5 INTs and 4 fumbles (3 lost) from my rough count. That is 8 turnovers in 9 games. Cole had 3 INTs and one fumble in one complete game, half of what Ben has in 9 games.

(11-07-2018 07:44 PM)5000DOLLARBILL Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 11:02 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 07:57 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(11-05-2018 07:43 AM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  Unless the O line plays better, in run blocking to keep defenses honest and pass blocking, whether Ben or Cole starts, opposing defenses will get through to either of them (regular rush and/or blitzes). Ben might escape some of the pressure, Cole is not as mobile so will most likely get sacked more.

It also seemed that his mobility got him into deeper and deeper trouble turning more than a few 5 yard sacks into 17 yard sacks. What I saw observing from the 50 yard line on Saturday when Cole was playing was when the pocket started to collapse, he made a quick decision to pull the ball in and run forward. And it led to some decent gains, some completed passes and to some shorter sacks.

I am not lobbying for either QB here.....but that is what Ben was doing early in the season and everyone complained about him running and running too soon instead of looking downfield on the scramble......so he stopped doing that and there goes that aspect of his skillset.

I know the coaches admitted limited QB runs last year during regular season for fear of injury. You cannot play football worrying about injuries. Whoever you choose to play, the play-calling and game action should be slanted to their skillset.

That being said if you start Cole.....scrap the RPO play-calling because that is simply not his skillset. Just hand off, straight play-action, or pass.

Totally agree, what I see- esp in the 3-3 stack looks is that the blitz packages totally blow up the RPO, whether it's a run, keeper, or pass. esp if we keep RB in for coverage the only dump is to the TE and there is either no time or the qb skill set cant find the safety valve on a given play. Scratch RPO if we go CJ, but he cannot sit in pocket for over 3.5 seconds or he will be strip sacked or hit while throwing. If BD we need more designed rollouts, move the pocket laterally get him in space so he can operate.

I agree completely with all you stated and what I am seeing as well. I think it is just that defenses have adjusted and have discovered the best way to defend the RPO.....this happens everytime offenses evolve and defense catches up. Defense take years to react to evolving offenses and the RPO is just the latest. Think about it the wildcat ate defenses up for a couple of seasons. Single back spreads killed defenses for a few years. It is probably time for the next evolution of offenses well unless you are Clemson with the RPO ---- they have superb athletes.

(11-07-2018 09:29 PM)DukeDogDisciple Wrote:  Parroting a lot, but have to get it all out there so I apologize for the diatribe. The thing we need most from QB is to not turn it over. Period. So whichever QB will do that less, I'm all for him. But problems are way deeper than QB. OL is biggest cause for concern. The unit wasn't great to begin with and losing Jackson made them worse. Run blocking is more suspect than pass pro but picking up blitzes has proven troublesome too. OC has been poor with play calling. With bad OL that has struggled in downhill run game, you must first pass to get men out of box to free up run game. The drives with back to back runs to set up 3rd and 7+ need to be fewer and further between. Setting the QB/whole offense up for failure. More drives like first one at Nova needed. Less drives like opening one Saturday (post flea flicker) -- think b2b runs to set up 3rd&8+ followed by sack fumble.
Each running back has a skillset. Johnson most well rounded. Sharp best in tight areas. Marshall game breaker when gaping holes. My guess is #29 has seen more limited snaps because no gaping holes conducive to his running style behind this OL. (I agree -- I'd like to see Percy more due to size/speed/physicality combo. Very good in limited sample). RBs aren't the problem, but you bet they're P'Od with the space they've had to operate and lack of creativity in getting them the ball in space.
Back to the QBs. The myth that there is only 1 QB on the roster that can throw it vertically needs be put to rest. Cole MAY do it better, but Ben (when given the chance by the OC!!) has shown he can do it. (Kendyl Dean 39 yard fly route down right sidelines against Elon to set up go-ahead TD 24-20, Dean drawing a PI against SB, Stapleton drop against SB). Three of the only times Ben has been given the chance to uncork one and it's produced 2/3 positive results and would be 3/3 if Riley could catch. Dare I mention #10 dropping several back-shoulder jump ball touchdowns this season.
As for Dinucci, the fumble before half against SB, the sack fumble at UNH followed by the interception were truly awful. But he hasn't been awful this season. Good against NC State, FGs instead of TDs vs Elon (whole offense's problem; not just QB), and solid one-turnover or less game manager in the wins.
For the Cole camp, I'm not sure what you saw Saturday that definitely sold you. Was it the two-yard out route from the far hash to near sidelines pick 6? Or perhaps the inability to sense a collapsing pocket that led to another turnover killing a drive and a slow boil momentum just after half. (Also, there was plenty of time for 15-20 yards and a spike to go down 21-6 at half versus 21-3. But give him and Donnie a pass for a Hail Mary duck? Huh. Or maybe it was SDSU last year staring down his primary target in a quasi-pick 6 after the game had been decided. If 398 yards against prevent defense trailing by 3TDs is all y'all are going on for as why 12 is the answer, yikes. If not all you are basing it on, then let me know the other reasons. Ben would have piled up garbage time stats as well.
Again, I just want to win. In my opinion, 12 is a sitting duck back there. I think you open yourself up more to the dreaded collapsing pocket and strip sack with him. As for arm talent, everything I've seen from him says he doesn't haven't the decision making capability to protect the ball.
Dinucci has been poor in recent weeks, but has demonstrated he can be a capable game manager when called upon. His ability to escape the pocket (behind suspect OL) and extend plays with his legs (need QB run game if going to struggle with traditional RB game) give JMU a better chance to win IMO. Donnie could and should open it up more from the jump (not when just down 3TDs), find better ways to mask disappointing OL to get playmakers ball in space (jet sweeps, more RB screens) to stay out of the 3rd&8+s and have more 3rd&2s (where QB run is something D must account for) which will give Dinucci a chance to operate a more dynamic offense that is harder to game-plan for and defend and one where his skillset can be better utilized.

Great post, hit a lot of nails on the head.

I am bored with the back and forth rehash.

So I propose a return to the Da'quan Scott wildcat offense. Now who do we get to be that Wildcatter? How about Harry?!

(11-08-2018 09:30 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  I am bored with the back and forth rehash.

So I propose a return to the Da'quan Scott wildcat offense. Now who do we get to be that Wildcatter? How about Harry?!

if bored with it, then why look at the thread.....nice to see you added something constructive and adds value.