(11-01-2018 07:46 PM)q5sys Wrote: Federal Election = Federal Jurisdiction
The states can do whatever they want for State elections, and the Feds can't mandate it. However... regarding FEDERAL ELECTIONS... if the Feds want a system in place for voting for federal positions... they can lawfully implement it. States have the right to A) agree to it or B) refuse it and as a result not allow citizens of their state to have a vote in federal elections.
States would have the right to say no...
I don't think this is correct. The system is already implemented... and the only Federal seat voted on is President.
Quote:If the Left was smart... they'd integrate people signing up for voting when they are signing up for social services like welfare, etc.
Make sure people are signed up and that they will get absentee ballots mailed to their residence.
That'd make sure everyone of them would be registered and ready to vote for more gov handouts. Thankfully the left isn't that smart.
They are sinister... but not always the smartest
here is another fallacy. You can't get welfare or assistance or healthcare (beyond the ER) without a valid ID.
(11-02-2018 06:56 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Where is the caring about integrity when over 13,000 people are disenfranchised with one polling station?
I've been to 'historic dodge city'. It's not what you think it is now what this guy claims it is. If what you claim were true, it would be an easy federal lawsuit and democrats would be falling all over themselves to get paid millions for it. Instead, it's an Op Ed like piece in a newspaper and an internet meme. That should tell a smart person all they need to know. Not saying someone won't press forward with a case... but such an obvious case, people wouldn't need funding or support to take on.
Where is your concern about the (mostly) Republicans who live in rural areas 15 miles from town and have no public transportation at all?
You been to Kansas? There's LOTS of those people there... probably a lot more than 13,000 *which is likely a lie because the whole town is only about 20,000
(11-02-2018 07:11 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: (11-02-2018 06:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: How can one possibly know the number when there is no method of detection?
Query-A guy is standing there claiming to be John Smith of 123 Main Street, and entitled to vote in this precinct in this election. Without voter ID, how do you know whether he is in fact John Smith of 123 Main Street?
You can't. The only possible way would be in small towns were everyone knows everyone. In rural areas?...No way in hell. Do I think the issue is overblown? Yes. Do I think BOTH gangs do everything they can to sway elections? Yes. Regardless.... IDs should be required and ample access to voting should be a standard. I shake my head that these issue are still being discussed at all in 2018.
This... and I've not once gotten anyone from the left to address the obvious query. Not even a weak attempt to do so.
(11-02-2018 07:17 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: If the right had a scintilla of care about this obvious disenfranchisement you would get a more sympathetic ear. You don't care about votes. You don't care about the integrity of the vote or these other issues would be just as much of a concern for you. Anything that makes it easier to vote and you have Republicans running away from it. They know the more people that vote... they lose. All of that dead people voting stuff.......... manna for simpletons.
The fallacy of this statement is obvious by Tom's academic study on the issue and dozens of others... 3.4% of whites is more votes than 7.8% of blacks (or whatever the actual numbers were)... and after taking out those of either race who live without ID because they're 'in hiding' and thus likely ineligible to vote anyway... the overwhelming percentage of whites in those groups are likely people living off the grid who skew WAY WAY WAY to the right... and they probably wouldn't take a free ID if you gave them one... I don't hear of many minority groups living off the grid and although here legally, 'hiding' from the government. I suspect the overwhelming percentage of blacks in that percentage are older and simply don't have a need to drive. They have family that helps manage their finances and they once HAD proper ID, but now they've been in the system long enough to not NEED an ID to 'get by'.
If you want more people to vote, then let's eliminate the stupid, archaic and meaningless 'voter registration' drives which would be redundant with a voter ID drive.
I don't know the number, but I'm betting that only about 60% of eligible minority voters are registered to vote, while according to your own side's statistics, 90+% of them have state issued ID. You want to get out the vote? There it is.
If it were about getting out the vote for Democrats, they'd be in favor of voter ID... online address updates... maybe some compromise where within 3 months of an election you're barred from changing your polling location for voting purposes or something... but it would also allow people 'in the wrong county' physically to have their votes tallied in the proper county.
This is 2018. These things are easily do-able and would clearly increase, not decrease voter eligibility and access. At some point, we should be able to vote from home or on the phone with some sort of bio-metric device to prove identity... and eliminate the concerns about polling stations.
I agree that Republicans want to win elections and doing things that motivate their base and suppress the other side are part of that... but to act as if Democrats don't do the same is ridiculous. This whole 'resist' and 'Russia' and the insane hypocrisy about Trump being a 'womanizer' is nothing BUT that.
Every ad I see out here in Cali is not about what a democrat will do in office, but instead is about associating their opponents with Trump no matter how loosely, and then telling people to vote against Trump.
If you want free and fair elections, then you should support voter ID and modernization of the process. Hint... IDs and bio-metrics would ENSURE that radical right-wingers wouldn't vote... and I'd be happy with that.