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RE: New School maybe
Admittedly, "Denver State" sounds better than Metro State. Similar to Chicago State... Cleveland State... Portland State... Boise State... San Diego State... Long Beach State... Fresno State... etc.
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(10-28-2018 07:18 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Admittedly, "Denver State" sounds better than Metro State. Similar to Chicago State... Cleveland State... Portland State... Boise State... San Diego State... Long Beach State... Fresno State... etc.

I agree, it sounds much better. It's pretty hard to understand why a large public university would let a private university's complaint stop them from implementing a name change approved by both their student body and board.

If the University of Portland can co-exist with Portland State University and the University of San Diego can co-exist with San Diego State University, then certainly the University of Denver can co-exist with Denver State University.
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Dixie State in Division I would be cool.
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(10-29-2018 02:36 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Dixie State in Division I would be cool.

Having a D2 football program makes it very difficult for Dixie State to move up and find an Olympic sports home (basketball) in the WAC. On the other hand, Tarleton State "might" have the option of housing its football program in the Southland Conference (FCS); which could make it a possibility to add Tarleton State to the WAC in the other sports.

Metro State's lack of a football program and its' location in a major western city is what makes that program so interesting to the WAC.
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Non Football schools are the choice from the WAC side but if they can convince schools with football to park their football program in the pioneer league or help them in finding a league that would take just football. I have to think the WAC and their member schools are trying to help any and all who can further stabilize the league just by quantity.
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The fact that there is mutual interested between the WAC and Tarleton State indicates having a DII football program is not a deal breaker. However, that prospective school needs to have a potential home for their football program external from putting its other sports in the WAC. Not many schools have a similar situation to Tarleton State's regarding finding a football; having the FCS level Southland Conference nearby.
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Wow! Their facilities are a stone's throw from downtown Denver. They are in the heart of that city. We need to sign up The University of Metro State of Denver College ASAP!!!
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(10-29-2018 12:54 PM)utah18 Wrote:  
(10-29-2018 02:36 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Dixie State in Division I would be cool.

Dixie State is one of the "other schools" mentioned in the Metro State article that has been approached by the WAC. They recently had a feasibility study done and will be hosting town hall meetings in the coming weeks to get input from students, faculty, and the community. Vote is expected to happen at the end of November.

https://www.usufans.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=46966

Strictly from a basketball aspect, the Dixie State Trailblazers would be a good addition to the WAC. DSU is typically one of the better performing basketball programs in DII ball; remaining in the Top 10 in DII attendance since 2010. DSU is located two hours away from Las Vegas in St. George, UT; which should be good for the WAC tournament once its NCAA tourney eligible.

However, unless Dixie State leaves its football program at the D2 level, joins the Big Sky (in football only), joins the non-scholarship Pioneer League, or creates a consortium with other D1 wannabes to form an nonaffiliated WAC FCS football conference, I really don't know how Dixie State moves up.
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The issue with Dixie St is the same one that quite a few DII potential schools would have, what to do with football. Unless a whole group of schools were to jump at the same time and create a WAC FCS league, that could then transition into FBS, it will be slim pickings.
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(10-29-2018 04:02 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  The issue with Dixie St is the same one that quite a few DII potential schools would have, what to do with football. Unless a whole group of schools were to jump at the same time and create a WAC FCS league, that could then transition into FBS, it will be slim pickings.

Have posted this before.

An FBS WAC will be coming back.

Metro St and Dixie St will be in the Big Sky.

WAC West
Sac St - UC Davis
Cal Poly - Cal Baptist (non fb)
NMSU - GCU ( non fb)

WAC East
UTRGV-Incarnate Word ( SF Austin or other Southland teams may be possible but a San Antonio article said IWU was looking at FBS.)
San Houston -Lamar
ORU - UMKC (both non fb)
Wichita St (FBs only) - Mo St (FBS only)

Seattle and UVU will be to the new Big Sky for closer opponents.

Big Sky
Port St - Seattle (no FB)
CWU - EWU
Idaho St - UVU (no fb)
No Colo - Metro St (no fb)
SUU - Dixie St
NAU - Azusa Pacific

The Big Sky travel partners mostly make sense for cost savings. DII call up may take time as they have some restrictions in the first year.

Weber St, Montana St, Montana, and Idaho will join the flagship Summit League schools and also go FBS.

Don’t post any more on the realignment board because there are so many snowflakes there. They just can’t deal with mass changes.

The WAC is too valuable for its right to give FBS bids. Inviting DII teams just throws that away and then UCDavis, Cal Poly the Montanas, Idaho, Sam Houston, Lamar and others that have looked at FBS would be tossing it away. Those schools always wanted to be FBS since the old FBS WAC went away but they missed the CFP payout by a couple of years. They will be a line for the next one.

Wasn’t wrong, but just too early.

Feel free to have a hissy fit and melt down like a good snowflake.
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(10-29-2018 12:54 PM)utah18 Wrote:  
(10-29-2018 02:36 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Dixie State in Division I would be cool.

Dixie State is one of the "other schools" mentioned in the Metro State article that has been approached by the WAC. They recently had a feasibility study done and will be hosting town hall meetings in the coming weeks to get input from students, faculty, and the community. Vote is expected to happen at the end of November.

https://www.usufans.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=46966

Thanks for sharing this.
What I find interesting is on page 5..
“The WAC has confirmed to Collegiate Consulting it is initiating a study in the Fall 2018 to explore the options and opportunities of starting a FCS football conference.”
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Also, in Dixie State’s feasibility study it states California State University - LA also recently completed a feasibility study for the WAC. Not having any luck finding it anywhere.
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(10-29-2018 09:03 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  Also, in Dixie State’s feasibility study it states California State University - LA also recently completed a feasibility study for the WAC. Not having any luck finding it anywhere.

Oddly, I was looking for prospective WAC schools from the lower ranks; who don't play football. And, Cal State Los Angeles and UT Dallas stood out because of the school size and location. But there are other possibilities as the aforementioned Metropolitan State of Denver. And maybe the WAC is looking at Western Washington, Cal Poly Pomona, or Saint Mary's of San Antonio.

Cal State Los Angeles
Nickname - Golden Eagle
Enrollment - 27,827
Public Land Grant
Established - 1947
Division II
Basketball Facility - Cal State LA Gymnasium - 3,400

University of Texas at Dallas
Nickname - Comets
Enrollment - 27,642
Public Research
Established - 1969
Division III
Basketball Facility - UTD Activity Center - 3,200


As for schools with football programs, "I think the top DII possibilities are Tarleton State, Dixie State, and Azusa Pacific.
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(10-29-2018 08:32 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  
(10-29-2018 12:54 PM)utah18 Wrote:  
(10-29-2018 02:36 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Dixie State in Division I would be cool.

Dixie State is one of the "other schools" mentioned in the Metro State article that has been approached by the WAC. They recently had a feasibility study done and will be hosting town hall meetings in the coming weeks to get input from students, faculty, and the community. Vote is expected to happen at the end of November.

https://www.usufans.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=46966

Thanks for sharing this.
What I find interesting is on page 5..
“The WAC has confirmed to Collegiate Consulting it is initiating a study in the Fall 2018 to explore the options and opportunities of starting a FCS football conference.”

That's VERY interesting. Sponsoring FCS football would give the WAC some interesting growth options. The challenge would be to find six schools willing to put their football programs in a WAC FCS conference.

Presumably Dixie State and Tarleton State would do this to facilitate moving their football programs from D-2 to D-1. A start-up UTRGV program would make three.

As for the other three, perhaps Sac State, UC Davis and Cal Poly could be persuaded to join as affiliate members. This would permit Sac State to pull its non-football sports out of the Big Sky and put them in the Big West, saving the Hornets a bundle on travel costs and neatly rounding out Big West membership at 12. For UC Davis and Cal Poly, shifting their football affiliate membership to a WAC FCS conference would also cut back on travel, as well as open up Texas recruiting and provide an easier path to the FCS playoffs.

If this scenario were to play out the WAC could then make a run at Northern Arizona, which might find it more appealing to be in the geographical center of a newly expanded and stabilized WAC than remain a southern outlier in the Big Sky.
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(10-30-2018 12:47 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(10-29-2018 08:32 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  
(10-29-2018 12:54 PM)utah18 Wrote:  
(10-29-2018 02:36 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Dixie State in Division I would be cool.

Dixie State is one of the "other schools" mentioned in the Metro State article that has been approached by the WAC. They recently had a feasibility study done and will be hosting town hall meetings in the coming weeks to get input from students, faculty, and the community. Vote is expected to happen at the end of November.

https://www.usufans.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=46966

Thanks for sharing this.
What I find interesting is on page 5..
“The WAC has confirmed to Collegiate Consulting it is initiating a study in the Fall 2018 to explore the options and opportunities of starting a FCS football conference.”

That's VERY interesting. Sponsoring FCS football would give the WAC some interesting growth options. The challenge would be to find six schools willing to put their football programs in a WAC FCS conference.

Presumably Dixie State and Tarleton State would do this to facilitate moving their football programs from D-2 to D-1. A start-up UTRGV program would make three.

As for the other three, perhaps Sac State, UC Davis and Cal Poly could be persuaded to join as affiliate members. This would permit Sac State to pull its non-football sports out of the Big Sky and put them in the Big West, saving the Hornets a bundle on travel costs and neatly rounding out Big West membership at 12. For UC Davis and Cal Poly, shifting their football affiliate membership to a WAC FCS conference would also cut back on travel, as well as open up Texas recruiting and provide an easier path to the FCS playoffs.

If this scenario were to play out the WAC could then make a run at Northern Arizona, which might find it more appealing to be in the geographical center of a newly expanded and stabilized WAC than remain a southern outlier in the Big Sky.

The three California schools plus Portland State, Dixie State and Tarleton State. Northern Arizona could make it 7. Or perhaps Azuza Pacific if they want a piece of Division 1 as well.

Sacramento State is not joining the Big West under any circumstances, not after the Bakersfield and UCSD additions. If this WAC FCS scenario unfolds they're joining the WAC as a full member.
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(10-30-2018 12:47 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(10-29-2018 08:32 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  
(10-29-2018 12:54 PM)utah18 Wrote:  
(10-29-2018 02:36 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Dixie State in Division I would be cool.

Dixie State is one of the "other schools" mentioned in the Metro State article that has been approached by the WAC. They recently had a feasibility study done and will be hosting town hall meetings in the coming weeks to get input from students, faculty, and the community. Vote is expected to happen at the end of November.

https://www.usufans.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?t=46966

Thanks for sharing this.
What I find interesting is on page 5..
“The WAC has confirmed to Collegiate Consulting it is initiating a study in the Fall 2018 to explore the options and opportunities of starting a FCS football conference.”

That's VERY interesting. Sponsoring FCS football would give the WAC some interesting growth options. The challenge would be to find six schools willing to put their football programs in a WAC FCS conference.

Presumably Dixie State and Tarleton State would do this to facilitate moving their football programs from D-2 to D-1. A start-up UTRGV program would make three.

As for the other three, perhaps Sac State, UC Davis and Cal Poly could be persuaded to join as affiliate members. This would permit Sac State to pull its non-football sports out of the Big Sky and put them in the Big West, saving the Hornets a bundle on travel costs and neatly rounding out Big West membership at 12. For UC Davis and Cal Poly, shifting their football affiliate membership to a WAC FCS conference would also cut back on travel, as well as open up Texas recruiting and provide an easier path to the FCS playoffs.

If this scenario were to play out the WAC could then make a run at Northern Arizona, which might find it more appealing to be in the geographical center of a newly expanded and stabilized WAC than remain a southern outlier in the Big Sky.

I'm 100% here for any scenario that puts NAU and GCU in the same conference. I think.having an in-state conference mate lends itself to genuine rivalry (i.e. not whatever odd, forced "thing" GCU and NMSU have going). There is already a bit of bad blood between MBB staffs, so I'd definitely love to see them forced to play a couple times a season.

Plus, the two schools are only separated by about 120 miles of the I-17, so travel would be quick and easy for GCU teams & fans. I'm guessing it'd be a little tougher for conference schools, who would presumably still fly into Phoenix and then jump on a bus for the 2+ hour ride. Someone with more knowledge of Big Sky travel arrangements could probably confirm or refute whether this is the current MO
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If the discussed additions happened, here is what I see happening. Chicago St - gone. UMKC - gone
Lets say NAU, CSU-LA, Tartleton St, Dixie St, Metro St all came aboard. That would give the conference the following:
Seattle
UVU
Cal Baptist
GCU
NMSU
UTRGV

Plus the new ones
NAU
CSU-LA
Tartleton St
Dixie St
Metro St

The DII call-ups would need to be phased in. That may hurt the football side of things. But I could live with the greater stability.
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(10-30-2018 07:18 AM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  If the discussed additions happened, here is what I see happening. Chicago St - gone. UMKC - gone
Lets say NAU, CSU-LA, Tartleton St, Dixie St, Metro St all came aboard. That would give the conference the following:
Seattle
UVU
Cal Baptist
GCU
NMSU
UTRGV

Plus the new ones
NAU
CSU-LA
Tartleton St
Dixie St
Metro St

The DII call-ups would need to be phased in. That may hurt the football side of things. But I could live with the greater stability.

This would be a great and I think all of us would be down with this. But If WAC were to go FCS would Idaho be interested in the WAC over the Big Sky? With the addition of schools in LA TX along with AZ WA. Thats a lot of talented areas to have access to. With the total list of there would need 2 more schools with football like an APU Idaho Central Wa.
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Also would WAC look at current affiliate members who have fcs football so there are as many D2 football schools in that transition period? HBU IUW SacSt and UNC would be schools I'd be call if I'm the WAC and invite them in as full members if FCS happens.
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So Dixie St doesn’t want a big fb rivalry game vs SUU?

But instead it wants to fly all over the West?

So Metro St will add fb when it could right now in the RMAC?

So NMSU will now forsake FBS to get fb rivals like Metro St and Dixie St and UTRGV?

So NMSU now disdains academics and proceeds to invite Dixie St and Metro St because of its new religion?

So the WAC will divide its NCAA money by 14 to 16 just to make the DII schools happy?


The WAC is putting on the expansion hat for the Southland (Tarleton St) and Big Sky ( Dixie St and Metro and soon to be CWU and Azusa Pacific) and that’s all this is.

The WAC will be announcing three FBS schools from the Big Sky and three from the Southland and will lose UVU, Seattle and Chicago St so it has was elected to do the dirty work for those leagues.
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