(10-26-2018 09:09 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 08:43 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 10:09 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 10:01 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 07:14 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  No it doesn't. The sagarins take into account all games played by each team in both leagues, not just a couple games.

There's nothing better than comparing head to head though, no matter what Sagarin says.

But Ball State isn’t a mid-level team. They’re #9 who happened to play 2 of the 3 teams worse than them. Ohio just beat them 52-14.

Do you really believe Ball State is much worse than a mid-level MAC team? You can't say they are the worst because they beat Kent State by 28 points. They Beat CMU. They only lost to NIU 24-16, and NIU is in the driver seat to win the West Division and play for the MACC. That kind of sounds mid-level to me.

There are 12 teams in the MAC. I think it's safe to say that at least Kent State, BG, Akron and CMU are worse than Ball State. Heck, Toledo might even lose to Ball State. But let's say those 4 above are worse, and I think everyone can agree on that. That makes them the #8 team in the MAC. 8 out of 12 is pretty much mid-level.

Just because they only lost to NIU by 8 doesn't mean much. It's pretty much impossible for NIU to win by more than 24 because we can't score more than that. If it wasn't for a near pick 6, they would have scored only 3 FGs against NIU.

Also, head to head would be preferable if there were enough games. 2 games is not enough to compare 2 entire conferences.

You're kind of helping to prove a point though. If NIU is one of the top teams in the MAC and their offense is not good enough to beat Ball State by more than 8 points, then Ball State can't be that far off from the top teams in the MAC......which would put them as a mid-level MAC team.

Regardless, WKU is awful. Their only win was against Ball State. They lost to a 4-3 Maine (FCS) football team. A Maine team that lost 35-14 to friggin Yale. WKU is clearly the worst team in C-USA.

(10-26-2018 11:01 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:09 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 08:43 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 10:09 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 10:01 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  There's nothing better than comparing head to head though, no matter what Sagarin says.

But Ball State isn’t a mid-level team. They’re #9 who happened to play 2 of the 3 teams worse than them. Ohio just beat them 52-14.

Do you really believe Ball State is much worse than a mid-level MAC team? You can't say they are the worst because they beat Kent State by 28 points. They Beat CMU. They only lost to NIU 24-16, and NIU is in the driver seat to win the West Division and play for the MACC. That kind of sounds mid-level to me.

There are 12 teams in the MAC. I think it's safe to say that at least Kent State, BG, Akron and CMU are worse than Ball State. Heck, Toledo might even lose to Ball State. But let's say those 4 above are worse, and I think everyone can agree on that. That makes them the #8 team in the MAC. 8 out of 12 is pretty much mid-level.

Just because they only lost to NIU by 8 doesn't mean much. It's pretty much impossible for NIU to win by more than 24 because we can't score more than that. If it wasn't for a near pick 6, they would have scored only 3 FGs against NIU.

Also, head to head would be preferable if there were enough games. 2 games is not enough to compare 2 entire conferences.

You're kind of helping to prove a point though. If NIU is one of the top teams in the MAC and their offense is not good enough to beat Ball State by more than 8 points, then Ball State can't be that far off from the top teams in the MAC......which would put them as a mid-level MAC team.

Regardless, WKU is awful. Their only win was against Ball State. They lost to a 4-3 Maine (FCS) football team. A Maine team that lost 35-14 to friggin Yale. WKU is clearly the worst team in C-USA.

You're still talking about basically one game and drawing conclusions about entire conferences. And Ball State has a ways to go. NIU beat Ohio, but Ohio crushed Ball State. Hence, one game is not enough.

(10-24-2018 12:12 PM)NIUSAE Wrote:  Toledo is having QB issues this year. Right now are deciding between Guagdani or Peters.

We should have such issues. They both looked like Heisman trophy candidates last night

That being said, if Guagdani shoulder injury doesn't heal quickly it'll be Peters we see in DeKalb.

(10-26-2018 10:06 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:45 AM)7 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:35 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Akron beat a team currently leading the B1G West at 4-1. They aren’t worse than Ball St.

They scored 3 defensive TDs in that game. It was a total fluke. They’ve scored 47 points in 3 conference games. They’re not good.

I REALLY hope this quote isn't being bumped, say around 10pm next Thursday night.

I like how he calls another teams win a fluke, but NIU's are because they are a good team with a great coach. He spews his garbage when it only fits for him.

Talk about fluke wins: the win against EMU where their kickers can't find the uprights playing NIU (2 years in a row) and against OHIO without Sutton's strip sack we lost. I consider those fluke wins.

(10-26-2018 12:10 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 10:06 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:45 AM)7 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:35 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Akron beat a team currently leading the B1G West at 4-1. They aren’t worse than Ball St.

They scored 3 defensive TDs in that game. It was a total fluke. They’ve scored 47 points in 3 conference games. They’re not good.

I REALLY hope this quote isn't being bumped, say around 10pm next Thursday night.

I like how he calls another teams win a fluke, but NIU's are because they are a good team with a great coach. He spews his garbage when it only fits for him.

Talk about fluke wins: the win against EMU where their kickers can't find the uprights playing NIU (2 years in a row) and against OHIO without Sutton's strip sack we lost. I consider those fluke wins.

I have literally never said that lol.

The Nebraska win last year was a massive fluke. The San Diego St loss was equally as flukey though so it balances out.

And one play doesn’t make a game fluke. NIU outgained Ohio by 80 yards. That was a pretty even game between pretty even teams.

Akron beat Northwestern and there’s no taking that away from them, but that doesn’t mean they are good.

I’m sorry, the team that is a missed 2 pointer away from being 0-3 in conference having scored 39 points in regulation is likely really good. Apologies for the Akron disrespect.

(10-26-2018 12:29 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 12:10 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 10:06 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:45 AM)7 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:35 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Akron beat a team currently leading the B1G West at 4-1. They aren’t worse than Ball St.

They scored 3 defensive TDs in that game. It was a total fluke. They’ve scored 47 points in 3 conference games. They’re not good.

I REALLY hope this quote isn't being bumped, say around 10pm next Thursday night.

I like how he calls another teams win a fluke, but NIU's are because they are a good team with a great coach. He spews his garbage when it only fits for him.

Talk about fluke wins: the win against EMU where their kickers can't find the uprights playing NIU (2 years in a row) and against OHIO without Sutton's strip sack we lost. I consider those fluke wins.

I have literally never said that lol.

The Nebraska win last year was a massive fluke. The San Diego St loss was equally as flukey though so it balances out.

And one play doesn’t make a game fluke. NIU outgained Ohio by 80 yards. That was a pretty even game between pretty even teams.

Akron beat Northwestern and there’s no taking that away from them, but that doesn’t mean they are good.

The Nebraska win wasn't a fluke and neither was the SDSU game. Nebraska wasn't very good last year and still isn't. If they were any good they could have easily come back from the 14 point deficit they had early in the game. We were only in the SDSU game because Santa could hit deep throws. He also threw picks so we lost.

I don't call interceptions flukes.

Akron isn't good, but that doesn't mean they aren't better than Ball State. They might be, they might not be.

(10-26-2018 12:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 12:29 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 12:10 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 10:06 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:45 AM)7 Wrote:  They scored 3 defensive TDs in that game. It was a total fluke. They’ve scored 47 points in 3 conference games. They’re not good.

I REALLY hope this quote isn't being bumped, say around 10pm next Thursday night.

I like how he calls another teams win a fluke, but NIU's are because they are a good team with a great coach. He spews his garbage when it only fits for him.

Talk about fluke wins: the win against EMU where their kickers can't find the uprights playing NIU (2 years in a row) and against OHIO without Sutton's strip sack we lost. I consider those fluke wins.

I have literally never said that lol.

The Nebraska win last year was a massive fluke. The San Diego St loss was equally as flukey though so it balances out.

And one play doesn’t make a game fluke. NIU outgained Ohio by 80 yards. That was a pretty even game between pretty even teams.

Akron beat Northwestern and there’s no taking that away from them, but that doesn’t mean they are good.

The Nebraska win wasn't a fluke and neither was the SDSU game. Nebraska wasn't very good last year and still isn't. If they were any good they could have easily come back from the 14 point deficit they had early in the game. We were only in the SDSU game because Santa could hit deep throws. He also threw picks so we lost.

I don't call interceptions flukes.

Akron isn't good, but that doesn't mean they aren't better than Ball State. They might be, they might not be.

I have no bias either way but NIU was outgained by 150+ yards in the Nebraska game....I would say that was kind of a fluke. I don't agree with the SDSU game being a fluke though unless you believe that it was a fluke that SDSU won?

(10-26-2018 02:46 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 12:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 12:29 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 12:10 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 10:06 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:   I REALLY hope this quote isn't being bumped, say around 10pm next Thursday night.

I like how he calls another teams win a fluke, but NIU's are because they are a good team with a great coach. He spews his garbage when it only fits for him.

Talk about fluke wins: the win against EMU where their kickers can't find the uprights playing NIU (2 years in a row) and against OHIO without Sutton's strip sack we lost. I consider those fluke wins.

I have literally never said that lol.

The Nebraska win last year was a massive fluke. The San Diego St loss was equally as flukey though so it balances out.

And one play doesn’t make a game fluke. NIU outgained Ohio by 80 yards. That was a pretty even game between pretty even teams.

Akron beat Northwestern and there’s no taking that away from them, but that doesn’t mean they are good.

The Nebraska win wasn't a fluke and neither was the SDSU game. Nebraska wasn't very good last year and still isn't. If they were any good they could have easily come back from the 14 point deficit they had early in the game. We were only in the SDSU game because Santa could hit deep throws. He also threw picks so we lost.

I don't call interceptions flukes.

Akron isn't good, but that doesn't mean they aren't better than Ball State. They might be, they might not be.

I have no bias either way but NIU was outgained by 150+ yards in the Nebraska game....I would say that was kind of a fluke. I don't agree with the SDSU game being a fluke though unless you believe that it was a fluke that SDSU won?

Yea, but we all know that NIU has no need to actually move the ball on offense until we get behind. Then we move the ball and score. So it isn't surprising we just rolled up into a fetal position once we got the lead against Nebraska and waited for them to catch up.

(10-26-2018 02:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 02:46 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 12:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 12:29 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 12:10 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  I like how he calls another teams win a fluke, but NIU's are because they are a good team with a great coach. He spews his garbage when it only fits for him.

Talk about fluke wins: the win against EMU where their kickers can't find the uprights playing NIU (2 years in a row) and against OHIO without Sutton's strip sack we lost. I consider those fluke wins.

I have literally never said that lol.

The Nebraska win last year was a massive fluke. The San Diego St loss was equally as flukey though so it balances out.

And one play doesn’t make a game fluke. NIU outgained Ohio by 80 yards. That was a pretty even game between pretty even teams.

Akron beat Northwestern and there’s no taking that away from them, but that doesn’t mean they are good.

The Nebraska win wasn't a fluke and neither was the SDSU game. Nebraska wasn't very good last year and still isn't. If they were any good they could have easily come back from the 14 point deficit they had early in the game. We were only in the SDSU game because Santa could hit deep throws. He also threw picks so we lost.

I don't call interceptions flukes.

Akron isn't good, but that doesn't mean they aren't better than Ball State. They might be, they might not be.

I have no bias either way but NIU was outgained by 150+ yards in the Nebraska game....I would say that was kind of a fluke. I don't agree with the SDSU game being a fluke though unless you believe that it was a fluke that SDSU won?

Yea, but we all know that NIU has no need to actually move the ball on offense until we get behind. Then we move the ball and score. So it isn't surprising we just rolled up into a fetal position once we got the lead against Nebraska and waited for them to catch up.

Nebraska was flukey. We scored 3 TDs, 2 by pick sixes. Offense did nothing all day except the other TD drive.

(10-26-2018 02:55 PM)Doggone Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 02:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 02:46 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 12:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 12:29 PM)7 Wrote:  I have literally never said that lol.

The Nebraska win last year was a massive fluke. The San Diego St loss was equally as flukey though so it balances out.

And one play doesn’t make a game fluke. NIU outgained Ohio by 80 yards. That was a pretty even game between pretty even teams.

Akron beat Northwestern and there’s no taking that away from them, but that doesn’t mean they are good.

The Nebraska win wasn't a fluke and neither was the SDSU game. Nebraska wasn't very good last year and still isn't. If they were any good they could have easily come back from the 14 point deficit they had early in the game. We were only in the SDSU game because Santa could hit deep throws. He also threw picks so we lost.

I don't call interceptions flukes.

Akron isn't good, but that doesn't mean they aren't better than Ball State. They might be, they might not be.

I have no bias either way but NIU was outgained by 150+ yards in the Nebraska game....I would say that was kind of a fluke. I don't agree with the SDSU game being a fluke though unless you believe that it was a fluke that SDSU won?

Yea, but we all know that NIU has no need to actually move the ball on offense until we get behind. Then we move the ball and score. So it isn't surprising we just rolled up into a fetal position once we got the lead against Nebraska and waited for them to catch up.

Nebraska was flukey. We scored 3 TDs, 2 by pick sixes. Offense did nothing all day except the other TD drive.

As I said, that's because we were ahead. The other TD drive was once we fell behind.

(10-26-2018 11:05 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  You're still talking about basically one game and drawing conclusions about entire conferences. And Ball State has a ways to go. NIU beat Ohio, but Ohio crushed Ball State. Hence, one game is not enough.

One game might not be enough for you, but it's still a comparison and it's still how people perceive things. Last year Toledo was easily the best the MAC had to offer. App St tied for the SBC title. That one bowl game where App St beat Toledo 31-0 was only one game, but everyone's perception was that APP St and the SBC was better than Toledo and the MAC. Like it or not, that was the reality.

You are letting your love of NIU cloud your mind and be bias towards the MAC. Believe me, I would love to see the MAC be a great conference. But, ask any outsider if the MAC is on par with C-USA this year and see what answer you get. Ask any outsider if a MAC school could be App St or Ga Southern from the Sun Belt and see what kind of answer you will get.

(10-26-2018 03:14 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 11:05 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  You're still talking about basically one game and drawing conclusions about entire conferences. And Ball State has a ways to go. NIU beat Ohio, but Ohio crushed Ball State. Hence, one game is not enough.

One game might not be enough for you, but it's still a comparison and it's still how people perceive things. Last year Toledo was easily the best the MAC had to offer. App St tied for the SBC title. That one bowl game where App St beat Toledo 31-0 was only one game, but everyone's perception was that APP St and the SBC was better than Toledo and the MAC. Like it or not, that was the reality.

You are letting your love of NIU cloud your mind and be bias towards the MAC. Believe me, I would love to see the MAC be a great conference. But, ask any outsider if the MAC is on par with C-USA this year and see what answer you get. Ask any outsider if a MAC school could be App St or Ga Southern from the Sun Belt and see what kind of answer you will get.

I don't care about perception. I care about reality.

(10-26-2018 03:16 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 03:14 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 11:05 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  You're still talking about basically one game and drawing conclusions about entire conferences. And Ball State has a ways to go. NIU beat Ohio, but Ohio crushed Ball State. Hence, one game is not enough.

One game might not be enough for you, but it's still a comparison and it's still how people perceive things. Last year Toledo was easily the best the MAC had to offer. App St tied for the SBC title. That one bowl game where App St beat Toledo 31-0 was only one game, but everyone's perception was that APP St and the SBC was better than Toledo and the MAC. Like it or not, that was the reality.

You are letting your love of NIU cloud your mind and be bias towards the MAC. Believe me, I would love to see the MAC be a great conference. But, ask any outsider if the MAC is on par with C-USA this year and see what answer you get. Ask any outsider if a MAC school could be App St or Ga Southern from the Sun Belt and see what kind of answer you will get.

I don't care about perception. I care about reality.

There's no better reality than head to head games though....even if it is a small sample. Here's your reality:

2016 Dollar General Bowl vs Sun Belt
Troy 28
Ohio 23

2016 Camelia Bowl vs Sun Belt
App St 31
Toledo 28

2017 Dollar General Bowl vs Sun Belt
App St 34
Toledo 0

2017 Boca Raton Bowl vs C-USA
FAU 50
Akron 3

2017 Bahamas Bowl vs C-USA (Thank God for this one)
Ohio 41
UAB 6



2018 Games vs C-USA (MAC is 0-2)
Marshall 35
Miami OH 28

WKU 28
Ball St 20

Well, I was talking about this year. And I was talking top to bottom.

Still, if what you say is true, it's that much more proof that weeknight games accomplish nothing. The exposure is not helping recruiting, apparently. And the money isn't that much.

(10-26-2018 03:02 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 02:55 PM)Doggone Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 02:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 02:46 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 12:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  The Nebraska win wasn't a fluke and neither was the SDSU game. Nebraska wasn't very good last year and still isn't. If they were any good they could have easily come back from the 14 point deficit they had early in the game. We were only in the SDSU game because Santa could hit deep throws. He also threw picks so we lost.

I don't call interceptions flukes.

Akron isn't good, but that doesn't mean they aren't better than Ball State. They might be, they might not be.

I have no bias either way but NIU was outgained by 150+ yards in the Nebraska game....I would say that was kind of a fluke. I don't agree with the SDSU game being a fluke though unless you believe that it was a fluke that SDSU won?

Yea, but we all know that NIU has no need to actually move the ball on offense until we get behind. Then we move the ball and score. So it isn't surprising we just rolled up into a fetal position once we got the lead against Nebraska and waited for them to catch up.

Nebraska was flukey. We scored 3 TDs, 2 by pick sixes. Offense did nothing all day except the other TD drive.

As I said, that's because we were ahead. The other TD drive was once we fell behind.

It was flukey because we led because of 2 pick 6's. That doesn't happen often.

Neither does a Sutton Smith strip sack. But it happened because Nebraska didn't have a good QB and we had a good defense. We had 3 picks vs Ohio State. A fluke would be Miami's 4th down pass deflecting off an NIU defender into the hands of a Miami WR in a MACC game.

Does any team in this Conference really have a reason to pound their chest?
We are talking teams that should all be ranked 100 and above except maybe Buffalo and they would be 90.
We are all going to get killed in bowl games.

(10-26-2018 08:31 PM)Doggone Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 03:02 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 02:55 PM)Doggone Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 02:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 02:46 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  I have no bias either way but NIU was outgained by 150+ yards in the Nebraska game....I would say that was kind of a fluke. I don't agree with the SDSU game being a fluke though unless you believe that it was a fluke that SDSU won?

Yea, but we all know that NIU has no need to actually move the ball on offense until we get behind. Then we move the ball and score. So it isn't surprising we just rolled up into a fetal position once we got the lead against Nebraska and waited for them to catch up.

Nebraska was flukey. We scored 3 TDs, 2 by pick sixes. Offense did nothing all day except the other TD drive.

As I said, that's because we were ahead. The other TD drive was once we fell behind.

It was flukey because we led because of 2 pick 6's. That doesn't happen often.

True, but 2 pick 6's and a fumble recovery scoop touchdown is how Akron beat Northwestern this year.

(10-26-2018 09:34 PM)NILAW Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 08:31 PM)Doggone Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 03:02 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 02:55 PM)Doggone Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 02:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Yea, but we all know that NIU has no need to actually move the ball on offense until we get behind. Then we move the ball and score. So it isn't surprising we just rolled up into a fetal position once we got the lead against Nebraska and waited for them to catch up.

Nebraska was flukey. We scored 3 TDs, 2 by pick sixes. Offense did nothing all day except the other TD drive.

As I said, that's because we were ahead. The other TD drive was once we fell behind.?

It was flukey because we led because of 2 pick 6's. That doesn't happen often.

True, but 2 pick 6's and a fumble recovery scoop touchdown is how Akron beat Northwestern this year.

Good teams don't screw up. Better teams take what they're given. Doc Urich (remember him?) had this in his playbook:"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity."