(10-15-2018 08:03 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 06:13 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 07:19 PM)Bigtexnole Wrote:  Delaney is a SIGNIFICANTLY better negotiator than Swofford. The proof is in the pudding. I would not be surprised if MSG makes a deal. It would not be th3 first time Swofford is beaten to the punch.

Well let's just say Delany inherited the better poker hand to begin with and has the more malleable presidents. Delany's more futuristic thinking is a plus though.

Cheers,
Neil

More likely, the B1G will just buy their way in - pay the Big East to give up the arena once every five years. The Big East could make some money and use it as an opportunity to rotate to some other locations, starting with Chicago.

That is certainly possible but will the Big East bite?

And let's say they do and the B1G tournament is a huge success at MSG and outshines the ACC tournament in terms of media attention, especially if let's say it is competing tournaments MSG vs Barclays (which I wouldn't put past Delany) - what will the ACC's response be?

Again, not likely to happen, but it might get interesting if things shake out that way.

Cheers,
Neil

(10-15-2018 10:26 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 08:03 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 06:13 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 07:19 PM)Bigtexnole Wrote:  Delaney is a SIGNIFICANTLY better negotiator than Swofford. The proof is in the pudding. I would not be surprised if MSG makes a deal. It would not be th3 first time Swofford is beaten to the punch.

Well let's just say Delany inherited the better poker hand to begin with and has the more malleable presidents. Delany's more futuristic thinking is a plus though.

Cheers,
Neil

More likely, the B1G will just buy their way in - pay the Big East to give up the arena once every five years. The Big East could make some money and use it as an opportunity to rotate to some other locations, starting with Chicago.

That is certainly possible but will the Big East bite?

And let's say they do and the B1G tournament is a huge success at MSG and outshines the ACC tournament in terms of media attention, especially if let's say it is competing tournaments MSG vs Barclays (which I wouldn't put past Delany) - what will the ACC's response be?

Again, not likely to happen, but it might get interesting if things shake out that way.

Cheers,
Neil

In years when the Big Ten tournament is in NYC or DC, the ACC should play in Indianapolis... the best defense is a good offense.
"We need a plan of attack"
"I have a plan: ATTACK!"

(10-14-2018 07:02 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 06:49 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Delany is clueless about The Big Ten’s lack of basketball appeal, especially in the Northeast. Their basketball flagship, Indiana, has been taking on water for a decade or more now. Michigan and Michigan State have tried to pickup the slack but are failing badly. It’s been nearly two decades since The Big Ten won an NCAA championship. Bad idea Jimmy..... your basketball sucks.

The ACC of today falls well short of ever being able to replace Syracuse vs just about anyone else in The Big East Championship on Saturday in The Garden. If The ACC can’t do with its basketball pedigree, The Big Ten doesn’t stand a chance.

Know your place Jimmy. Stay in Chicago.
CJ

Appreciate the Syracuse love but until we start playing well enough to get out of the second round, it's immaterial where the tourney is played.

But I think you sell the ACC short, at least in terms of the semi-finals and final rounds. The two years the tourney was held in Barclays those rounds exceeded the arena's capacity.

The second round and quarters were supposedly capacity but they definitely were not full in either year, but mostly full. It takes time. The new Big East did okay attendance its first three years at MSG, but have improved over the past two years, though still not filling it up to capacity except for the semis and the final rounds.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,
Not my intent to sell The ACC short. Just pointing out that surpassing the Original Big East Basketball Tournament in the 80’s and 90’s would be hard for The ACC to do, even with its basketball pedigree. I just don’t see The Big Ten being much of a draw in NYC.

The Saturday night championship games of The Big East were special in those days. No conference will ever touch those games. The golden age of college basketball as far as I’m concerned.

This was Big East Basketball before expansion with just the original 1979 members, along with Villanova and Pittsburgh. Now that was basketball.
CJ

(10-15-2018 10:56 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 07:02 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 06:49 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Delany is clueless about The Big Ten’s lack of basketball appeal, especially in the Northeast. Their basketball flagship, Indiana, has been taking on water for a decade or more now. Michigan and Michigan State have tried to pickup the slack but are failing badly. It’s been nearly two decades since The Big Ten won an NCAA championship. Bad idea Jimmy..... your basketball sucks.

The ACC of today falls well short of ever being able to replace Syracuse vs just about anyone else in The Big East Championship on Saturday in The Garden. If The ACC can’t do with its basketball pedigree, The Big Ten doesn’t stand a chance.

Know your place Jimmy. Stay in Chicago.
CJ

Appreciate the Syracuse love but until we start playing well enough to get out of the second round, it's immaterial where the tourney is played.

But I think you sell the ACC short, at least in terms of the semi-finals and final rounds. The two years the tourney was held in Barclays those rounds exceeded the arena's capacity.

The second round and quarters were supposedly capacity but they definitely were not full in either year, but mostly full. It takes time. The new Big East did okay attendance its first three years at MSG, but have improved over the past two years, though still not filling it up to capacity except for the semis and the final rounds.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,
Not my intent to sell The ACC short. Just pointing out that surpassing the Original Big East Basketball Tournament in the 80’s and 90’s would be hard for The ACC to do, even with its basketball pedigree. I just don’t see The Big Ten being much of a draw in NYC.

The Saturday night championship games of The Big East were special in those days. No conference will ever touch those games. The golden age of college basketball as far as I’m concerned.

This was Big East Basketball before expansion with just the original 1979 members, along with Villanova and Pittsburgh. Now that was basketball.
CJ

^^^ THIS ^^^. They call it a golden age because the gold rush is OVER. Those days are gone and may never come back. Thanks for the memories...

(10-15-2018 01:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 10:56 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 07:02 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 06:49 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Delany is clueless about The Big Ten’s lack of basketball appeal, especially in the Northeast. Their basketball flagship, Indiana, has been taking on water for a decade or more now. Michigan and Michigan State have tried to pickup the slack but are failing badly. It’s been nearly two decades since The Big Ten won an NCAA championship. Bad idea Jimmy..... your basketball sucks.

The ACC of today falls well short of ever being able to replace Syracuse vs just about anyone else in The Big East Championship on Saturday in The Garden. If The ACC can’t do with its basketball pedigree, The Big Ten doesn’t stand a chance.

Know your place Jimmy. Stay in Chicago.
CJ

Appreciate the Syracuse love but until we start playing well enough to get out of the second round, it's immaterial where the tourney is played.

But I think you sell the ACC short, at least in terms of the semi-finals and final rounds. The two years the tourney was held in Barclays those rounds exceeded the arena's capacity.

The second round and quarters were supposedly capacity but they definitely were not full in either year, but mostly full. It takes time. The new Big East did okay attendance its first three years at MSG, but have improved over the past two years, though still not filling it up to capacity except for the semis and the final rounds.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,
Not my intent to sell The ACC short. Just pointing out that surpassing the Original Big East Basketball Tournament in the 80’s and 90’s would be hard for The ACC to do, even with its basketball pedigree. I just don’t see The Big Ten being much of a draw in NYC.

The Saturday night championship games of The Big East were special in those days. No conference will ever touch those games. The golden age of college basketball as far as I’m concerned.

This was Big East Basketball before expansion with just the original 1979 members, along with Villanova and Pittsburgh. Now that was basketball.
CJ

^^^ THIS ^^^. They call it a golden age because the gold rush is OVER. Those days are gone and may never come back. Thanks for the memories...

Buzzkill....

College Basketball IMHO will actually increase in stature over the next decade. Having 2 hour games and a new NBA draft friendly rule should help fan viewership.

(10-15-2018 03:52 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 01:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 10:56 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 07:02 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 06:49 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Delany is clueless about The Big Ten’s lack of basketball appeal, especially in the Northeast. Their basketball flagship, Indiana, has been taking on water for a decade or more now. Michigan and Michigan State have tried to pickup the slack but are failing badly. It’s been nearly two decades since The Big Ten won an NCAA championship. Bad idea Jimmy..... your basketball sucks.

The ACC of today falls well short of ever being able to replace Syracuse vs just about anyone else in The Big East Championship on Saturday in The Garden. If The ACC can’t do with its basketball pedigree, The Big Ten doesn’t stand a chance.

Know your place Jimmy. Stay in Chicago.
CJ

Appreciate the Syracuse love but until we start playing well enough to get out of the second round, it's immaterial where the tourney is played.

But I think you sell the ACC short, at least in terms of the semi-finals and final rounds. The two years the tourney was held in Barclays those rounds exceeded the arena's capacity.

The second round and quarters were supposedly capacity but they definitely were not full in either year, but mostly full. It takes time. The new Big East did okay attendance its first three years at MSG, but have improved over the past two years, though still not filling it up to capacity except for the semis and the final rounds.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,
Not my intent to sell The ACC short. Just pointing out that surpassing the Original Big East Basketball Tournament in the 80’s and 90’s would be hard for The ACC to do, even with its basketball pedigree. I just don’t see The Big Ten being much of a draw in NYC.

The Saturday night championship games of The Big East were special in those days. No conference will ever touch those games. The golden age of college basketball as far as I’m concerned.

This was Big East Basketball before expansion with just the original 1979 members, along with Villanova and Pittsburgh. Now that was basketball.
CJ

^^^ THIS ^^^. They call it a golden age because the gold rush is OVER. Those days are gone and may never come back. Thanks for the memories...

Buzzkill....

College Basketball IMHO will actually increase in stature over the next decade. Having 2 hour games and a new NBA draft friendly rule should help fan viewership.

If the schools could ever get control over their tv rights for basketball, the way they do for football, BB will instantly far surpass college football in revnue for the schools.

(10-15-2018 04:13 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:52 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 01:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 10:56 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 07:02 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Appreciate the Syracuse love but until we start playing well enough to get out of the second round, it's immaterial where the tourney is played.

But I think you sell the ACC short, at least in terms of the semi-finals and final rounds. The two years the tourney was held in Barclays those rounds exceeded the arena's capacity.

The second round and quarters were supposedly capacity but they definitely were not full in either year, but mostly full. It takes time. The new Big East did okay attendance its first three years at MSG, but have improved over the past two years, though still not filling it up to capacity except for the semis and the final rounds.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,
Not my intent to sell The ACC short. Just pointing out that surpassing the Original Big East Basketball Tournament in the 80’s and 90’s would be hard for The ACC to do, even with its basketball pedigree. I just don’t see The Big Ten being much of a draw in NYC.

The Saturday night championship games of The Big East were special in those days. No conference will ever touch those games. The golden age of college basketball as far as I’m concerned.

This was Big East Basketball before expansion with just the original 1979 members, along with Villanova and Pittsburgh. Now that was basketball.
CJ

^^^ THIS ^^^. They call it a golden age because the gold rush is OVER. Those days are gone and may never come back. Thanks for the memories...

Buzzkill....

College Basketball IMHO will actually increase in stature over the next decade. Having 2 hour games and a new NBA draft friendly rule should help fan viewership.

If the schools could ever get control over their tv rights for basketball, the way they do for football, BB will instantly far surpass college football in revnue for the schools.

True to a point, but the post-season bb contract has more mouths to feed than the football championship contract does - not to mention it funds the NCAA itself without any monies from the football playoffs pot. But at some point when the football monies stagnate or don't go up enough the P5 will likely set their eyes on that huge pot of $$$ somehow someway.

Cheers,
Neil

Personally, I think it's stupid for the B1G to hold their basketball tournament in NYC.

However, from a business perspective, I could understand why MSG might consider having the B1G their during championship week over the Big East occasionally. Just look at the attendance numbers quoted in the article:

B1G averaged 15,200 fans over 7 sessions = 106,400 total
BE averaged 18,790 fans over 5 sessions = 93,950 total

Maybe MSG would rather find other events to fill those additional venue dates if they feel they can make more money with something other than B1G basketball, but it's not as cut & dry from a business perspective as people want to make it out to be. If the B1G averaged 1,000 more fans per session, the total attendance would be almost 20,000 greater than the BE.

(10-16-2018 10:16 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  Personally, I think it's stupid for the B1G to hold their basketball tournament in NYC.

However, from a business perspective, I could understand why MSG might consider having the B1G their during championship week over the Big East occasionally. Just look at the attendance numbers quoted in the article:

B1G averaged 15,200 fans over 7 sessions = 106,400 total
BE averaged 18,790 fans over 5 sessions = 93,950 total

Maybe MSG would rather find other events to fill those additional venue dates if they feel they can make more money with something other than B1G basketball, but it's not as cut & dry from a business perspective as people want to make it out to be. If the B1G averaged 1,000 more fans per session, the total attendance would be almost 20,000 greater than the BE.

Excellent point. More sessions more people buying stuff. Does the Big East expand by two to get to 6 sessions? How will that impact attendance comparisons?

Lots to consider.

Cheers,
Neil

Playing this around a bit. Only way I really see it is if Madison Square Garden decides the Big East is going to come to them any year they can so they only offer them 3 or 4 years out of 5. Then in the other year or two they take the Big Ten and maybe the ACC.

That said, it's rarely smart to make a great partner (and their fans) angry. The Big East Tournament is the highlight of the conference year for the Big East and I don't think Madison Square Garden is going to risk hurting that when the tournament has generally been successful.

Only other way this works is Big Ten working with Big East so all parties are happy and I don't see that either. The Big East has many Midwestern schools, but Madison Square Garden for the tournament is like the Rose Bowl for the Big Ten. Location matters and proximity is actually a smaller factor.

(10-15-2018 10:56 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 07:02 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 06:49 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Delany is clueless about The Big Ten’s lack of basketball appeal, especially in the Northeast. Their basketball flagship, Indiana, has been taking on water for a decade or more now. Michigan and Michigan State have tried to pickup the slack but are failing badly. It’s been nearly two decades since The Big Ten won an NCAA championship. Bad idea Jimmy..... your basketball sucks.

The ACC of today falls well short of ever being able to replace Syracuse vs just about anyone else in The Big East Championship on Saturday in The Garden. If The ACC can’t do with its basketball pedigree, The Big Ten doesn’t stand a chance.

Know your place Jimmy. Stay in Chicago.
CJ

Appreciate the Syracuse love but until we start playing well enough to get out of the second round, it's immaterial where the tourney is played.

But I think you sell the ACC short, at least in terms of the semi-finals and final rounds. The two years the tourney was held in Barclays those rounds exceeded the arena's capacity.

The second round and quarters were supposedly capacity but they definitely were not full in either year, but mostly full. It takes time. The new Big East did okay attendance its first three years at MSG, but have improved over the past two years, though still not filling it up to capacity except for the semis and the final rounds.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,
Not my intent to sell The ACC short. Just pointing out that surpassing the Original Big East Basketball Tournament in the 80’s and 90’s would be hard for The ACC to do, even with its basketball pedigree. I just don’t see The Big Ten being much of a draw in NYC.

The Saturday night championship games of The Big East were special in those days. No conference will ever touch those games. The golden age of college basketball as far as I’m concerned.

This was Big East Basketball before expansion with just the original 1979 members, along with Villanova and Pittsburgh. Now that was basketball.
CJ

I'm not here to enter a wizzing contest on which or where. The ACC hasn't had a public sale of tournament tickets in over 50 years. However moving to exotic locations like NYC frees thousands of tickets because the original buyers don't want the bother or expense of the travel. If that number rises too high and there are more "locals" than alumni, then it will be time to move the tournament back home.

(10-17-2018 12:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  I'm not here to enter a wizzing contest on which or where. The ACC hasn't had a public sale of tournament tickets in over 50 years. However moving to exotic locations like NYC frees thousands of tickets because the original buyers don't want the bother or expense of the travel. If that number rises too high and there are more "locals" than alumni, then it will be time to move the tournament back home.

And honestly I believe that's part of the problem. If we want to grow The ACC brand we need reach as many fans as possible. Don't get me wrong, I believe there is a fine line between growing the brand and losing conference identity. That's up to The ACC marketing team to walk that tightrope. The reality is if we want to grow our brand we have to step out of our conference comfort zone. If we want folks to subscribe to our network we need to give them a chance to see our teams in person.

I speak in more terms of The Big East because that's the conference I have followed for years. Urban basketball is probably the best way to describe. The Big East played the kind of ball we did growing up. No blood No foul
CJ

(10-19-2018 11:54 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-17-2018 12:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  I'm not here to enter a wizzing contest on which or where. The ACC hasn't had a public sale of tournament tickets in over 50 years. However moving to exotic locations like NYC frees thousands of tickets because the original buyers don't want the bother or expense of the travel. If that number rises too high and there are more "locals" than alumni, then it will be time to move the tournament back home.

And honestly I believe that's part of the problem. If we want to grow The ACC brand we need reach as many fans as possible. Don't get me wrong, I believe there is a fine line between growing the brand and losing conference identity. That's up to The ACC marketing team to walk that tightrope. The reality is if we want to grow our brand we have to step out of our conference comfort zone. If we want folks to subscribe to our network we need to give them a chance to see our teams in person.

I speak in more terms of The Big East because that's the conference I have followed for years. Urban basketball is probably the best way to describe. The Big East played the kind of ball we did growing up. No blood No foul
CJ

First, I have never been a fan of "street ball".......no artistry.
Second, the tournament is the league championship. It's why the tickets have always been distributed through the schools and each school has had the opportunity to have an equal share of the gate.
If you want to whore the tournament out so that some celebrity can be seen sitting on the front row.....where is the door, that is not the conference I want my school to be a part of, and if you want No blood No foul basketball, let me show YOU the door.
If that network subscriber wants to see the team or teams in person, let them buy a ticket for a regular season/neutral site game.

(10-19-2018 11:54 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-17-2018 12:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  I'm not here to enter a wizzing contest on which or where. The ACC hasn't had a public sale of tournament tickets in over 50 years. However moving to exotic locations like NYC frees thousands of tickets because the original buyers don't want the bother or expense of the travel. If that number rises too high and there are more "locals" than alumni, then it will be time to move the tournament back home.

And honestly I believe that's part of the problem. If we want to grow The ACC brand we need reach as many fans as possible. Don't get me wrong, I believe there is a fine line between growing the brand and losing conference identity. That's up to The ACC marketing team to walk that tightrope. The reality is if we want to grow our brand we have to step out of our conference comfort zone. If we want folks to subscribe to our network we need to give them a chance to see our teams in person.

I speak in more terms of The Big East because that's the conference I have followed for years. Urban basketball is probably the best way to describe. The Big East played the kind of ball we did growing up. No blood No foul
CJ

You make an excellent point, CJ. If the ACC only sells tickets to the same people year after year, how do they ever expect to create new fans? Counting on a bunch of old guys to pass it on to their children? What if they didn't have any? What if those rich kids went to the Ivy League? What if they just don't like basketball [gasp!]

(10-19-2018 01:00 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 11:54 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-17-2018 12:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  I'm not here to enter a wizzing contest on which or where. The ACC hasn't had a public sale of tournament tickets in over 50 years. However moving to exotic locations like NYC frees thousands of tickets because the original buyers don't want the bother or expense of the travel. If that number rises too high and there are more "locals" than alumni, then it will be time to move the tournament back home.

And honestly I believe that's part of the problem. If we want to grow The ACC brand we need reach as many fans as possible. Don't get me wrong, I believe there is a fine line between growing the brand and losing conference identity. That's up to The ACC marketing team to walk that tightrope. The reality is if we want to grow our brand we have to step out of our conference comfort zone. If we want folks to subscribe to our network we need to give them a chance to see our teams in person.

I speak in more terms of The Big East because that's the conference I have followed for years. Urban basketball is probably the best way to describe. The Big East played the kind of ball we did growing up. No blood No foul
CJ

You make an excellent point, CJ. If the ACC only sells tickets to the same people year after year, how do they ever expect to create new fans? Counting on a bunch of old guys to pass it on to their children? What if they didn't have any? What if those rich kids went to the Ivy League? What if they just don't like basketball [gasp!]

New fans are not created by access to the ACC tournament. Access to the tournament is based on your willingness to pay the damn bills at a particular university. When the tournament was the only way to the NCAA, the tournament mattered almost as much as God. Once the NCAA expanded and went to unlimited numbers from a conference, the ACC Title became just a title, not the pathway to a national championship. Today the title has been reduced to window dressing. With the unbalanced scheduled and the defacto need to finish in the top 4 to have a realistic chance to win the title, it's importance has faded.

(10-19-2018 12:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 11:54 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-17-2018 12:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  I'm not here to enter a wizzing contest on which or where. The ACC hasn't had a public sale of tournament tickets in over 50 years. However moving to exotic locations like NYC frees thousands of tickets because the original buyers don't want the bother or expense of the travel. If that number rises too high and there are more "locals" than alumni, then it will be time to move the tournament back home.

And honestly I believe that's part of the problem. If we want to grow The ACC brand we need reach as many fans as possible. Don't get me wrong, I believe there is a fine line between growing the brand and losing conference identity. That's up to The ACC marketing team to walk that tightrope. The reality is if we want to grow our brand we have to step out of our conference comfort zone. If we want folks to subscribe to our network we need to give them a chance to see our teams in person.

I speak in more terms of The Big East because that's the conference I have followed for years. Urban basketball is probably the best way to describe. The Big East played the kind of ball we did growing up. No blood No foul
CJ

First, I have never been a fan of "street ball".......no artistry.
Second, the tournament is the league championship. It's why the tickets have always been distributed through the schools and each school has had the opportunity to have an equal share of the gate.
If you want to whore the tournament out so that some celebrity can be seen sitting on the front row.....where is the door, that is not the conference I want my school to be a part of, and if you want No blood No foul basketball, let me show YOU the door.
If that network subscriber wants to see the team or teams in person, let them buy a ticket for a regular season/neutral site game.

What is “street ball”? Can you define for me?
Never heard that term before....
CJ

(10-19-2018 02:21 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 12:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 11:54 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-17-2018 12:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  I'm not here to enter a wizzing contest on which or where. The ACC hasn't had a public sale of tournament tickets in over 50 years. However moving to exotic locations like NYC frees thousands of tickets because the original buyers don't want the bother or expense of the travel. If that number rises too high and there are more "locals" than alumni, then it will be time to move the tournament back home.

And honestly I believe that's part of the problem. If we want to grow The ACC brand we need reach as many fans as possible. Don't get me wrong, I believe there is a fine line between growing the brand and losing conference identity. That's up to The ACC marketing team to walk that tightrope. The reality is if we want to grow our brand we have to step out of our conference comfort zone. If we want folks to subscribe to our network we need to give them a chance to see our teams in person.

I speak in more terms of The Big East because that's the conference I have followed for years. Urban basketball is probably the best way to describe. The Big East played the kind of ball we did growing up. No blood No foul
CJ

First, I have never been a fan of "street ball".......no artistry.
Second, the tournament is the league championship. It's why the tickets have always been distributed through the schools and each school has had the opportunity to have an equal share of the gate.
If you want to whore the tournament out so that some celebrity can be seen sitting on the front row.....where is the door, that is not the conference I want my school to be a part of, and if you want No blood No foul basketball, let me show YOU the door.
If that network subscriber wants to see the team or teams in person, let them buy a ticket for a regular season/neutral site game.

What is “street ball”? Can you define for me?
Never heard that term before....
CJ

Sure.."street ball"........thug basketball...NO blood no foul basketball....big east basketball.

(10-19-2018 02:24 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 02:21 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 12:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 11:54 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-17-2018 12:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  I'm not here to enter a wizzing contest on which or where. The ACC hasn't had a public sale of tournament tickets in over 50 years. However moving to exotic locations like NYC frees thousands of tickets because the original buyers don't want the bother or expense of the travel. If that number rises too high and there are more "locals" than alumni, then it will be time to move the tournament back home.

And honestly I believe that's part of the problem. If we want to grow The ACC brand we need reach as many fans as possible. Don't get me wrong, I believe there is a fine line between growing the brand and losing conference identity. That's up to The ACC marketing team to walk that tightrope. The reality is if we want to grow our brand we have to step out of our conference comfort zone. If we want folks to subscribe to our network we need to give them a chance to see our teams in person.

I speak in more terms of The Big East because that's the conference I have followed for years. Urban basketball is probably the best way to describe. The Big East played the kind of ball we did growing up. No blood No foul
CJ

First, I have never been a fan of "street ball".......no artistry.
Second, the tournament is the league championship. It's why the tickets have always been distributed through the schools and each school has had the opportunity to have an equal share of the gate.
If you want to whore the tournament out so that some celebrity can be seen sitting on the front row.....where is the door, that is not the conference I want my school to be a part of, and if you want No blood No foul basketball, let me show YOU the door.
If that network subscriber wants to see the team or teams in person, let them buy a ticket for a regular season/neutral site game.

What is “street ball”? Can you define for me?
Never heard that term before....
CJ

Sure.."street ball"........thug basketball...NO blood no foul basketball....big east basketball.

Wow.... glad Dean Smith didn't have that narrow view of bball. You know there is a NY pipeline that serve the Tar Heel bball program well. I guess you have never heard of the Rucker and the fact that it is a must see in "amateur" basketball. Sure, the play is/was different between the ACC and most conferences. Where the ACC is finesse while the Big East, Big Ten, etc is more physical type style of play. It was what Jordan spoke about when talking about the "Bad Boys".

When I hear "street ball", I think of the And 1 teams that toured the country. Those players are very skilled and made a way for themselves. Sorta like the Globetrotters, who were also extremely skilled players who went a different route for whatever reason. These negative monikers and the use of them are always interesting in the worst way.

(10-19-2018 02:24 PM)XLance Wrote:  Sure.."street ball"........thug basketball...NO blood no foul basketball....big east basketball.

I've never been a big fan of that kind of basketball either. But one of things that made being a Big East basketball fan so enjoyable for me was the varying different styles and match-ups. And when it came tournament time (especially in the 2006-2013 years) I never knew who would reach the semi-finals no less who would win it.

In those 8 years a team seeded 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10 made it to a semi-finals slot 17 times out of a possible 32 slots. The number 9 seeded team won the tourney twice while the 7 seeded team also won twice. That's half of the time. And the 5th seeded team won once as well.

As for the norm? There simply wasn't much of one during that time frame. Three of the top four seeds made it to the semi-finals only three times. And the finals only once had two of the top four teams face off against each for the title. The number one seed only won the tourney once during those 8 years. Same was true for the numbers 2 and 3 seeds.

Not sure the ACC will ever replicate that mainly due to how strong the combo of UNC and Duke have been and are likely to continue to be. But I have no doubt the ACC will be the best bb conference from top to bottom for a very long time.

Cheers,
Neil

(10-16-2018 12:25 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 10:16 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  Personally, I think it's stupid for the B1G to hold their basketball tournament in NYC.

However, from a business perspective, I could understand why MSG might consider having the B1G their during championship week over the Big East occasionally. Just look at the attendance numbers quoted in the article:

B1G averaged 15,200 fans over 7 sessions = 106,400 total
BE averaged 18,790 fans over 5 sessions = 93,950 total

Maybe MSG would rather find other events to fill those additional venue dates if they feel they can make more money with something other than B1G basketball, but it's not as cut & dry from a business perspective as people want to make it out to be. If the B1G averaged 1,000 more fans per session, the total attendance would be almost 20,000 greater than the BE.

Excellent point. More sessions more people buying stuff. Does the Big East expand by two to get to 6 sessions? How will that impact attendance comparisons?

Lots to consider.

Cheers,
Neil

Two programs that would immediately help the Big East: UConn and Dayton.

UConn is obvious, but they do have their football program to think about. Dayton has a large and loyal basketball fan base. What has kept them out is their proximity to Xavier, but as we see market value not having as strong of an impact in the decision making, Dayton’s stock should rise.

UMass and St. Louis are some outside options. The Big East does not have a New England presence outside of Providence, so having a large school in Massachusetts offers a lot of potential. When UMass competed at the highest level, scores of previously apathetic alumni sparked into fandom.

I’ll admit, I don’t know much about St. Louis U. I do know they are the top basketball ticket in a large city with a nice arena. I feel like they have the potential to bring in fans similar to Louisville, Creighton, and Xavier/Dayton.

Another public school that doesn’t have the football issue is VCU. Although, Richmond fits like a glove institutionally, VCU has shown basketball is their golden goose and have no desire for football, unlike UAB, Charlotte, and South Alabama, all former basketball-centric schools that added football and have seen some decline in the last 10-20 years.