(09-08-2018 06:34 PM)BucFan1244 Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 06:32 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 06:23 PM)BucFan1244 Wrote:  Ut fans need to stop sexually pleasuring the refs. I know they like to do that down here but they must have had that weather delay because vol fans volunteered and wanted the refs in their personal company right then.

Same with when they played bball against us

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You have made a TON of stupid posts about the refs, newflash dude, the refs didn't cost ETSU this game, if you honestly think that put down the pipe.

Shut up fatsoo

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Oh boy. Where’s the popcorn?

(09-09-2018 07:28 AM)HelmetHead Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 06:34 PM)BucFan1244 Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 06:32 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 06:23 PM)BucFan1244 Wrote:  Ut fans need to stop sexually pleasuring the refs. I know they like to do that down here but they must have had that weather delay because vol fans volunteered and wanted the refs in their personal company right then.

Same with when they played bball against us

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You have made a TON of stupid posts about the refs, newflash dude, the refs didn't cost ETSU this game, if you honestly think that put down the pipe.

Shut up fatsoo

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Oh boy. Where’s the popcorn?

? That comment isn't going to cause drama, it was the ONLY thing he was right about in this whole thread.
Sure it was immature to lash out with attempted insults when you can't win but that's okay, that is all he has
with his limited, hmm lets call it skill set.

Would like to acknowledge the team for a good effort. They played hard and tried their best. Just out of their league in terms of numbers and talent. Shameful that FCS schools have to sacrifice their athletes for a paycheck. Hopefully, someday, there is a revenue model that alleviates this.

(09-09-2018 07:42 AM)HelmetHead Wrote:  Would like to acknowledge the team for a good effort. They played hard and tried their best. Just out of their league in terms of numbers and talent. Shameful that FCS schools have to sacrifice their athletes for a paycheck. Hopefully, someday, there is a revenue model that alleviates this.

I'm not totally disagreeing with you but I don't think the players necessarily think like that. I think we, as fans, hate these game more than the players. For TN, it was good because they got to play a lot of people, including walk on and players who will not see the field in SEC games. For ETSU, it was a once in a lifetime experience for them to play in front of that many people and to play against that type of competition and see how they stack up, for better or worse. Lots of upside for both teams with no downsides. I don't see the problem.

(09-09-2018 07:42 AM)HelmetHead Wrote:  Would like to acknowledge the team for a good effort. They played hard and tried their best. Just out of their league in terms of numbers and talent. Shameful that FCS schools have to sacrifice their athletes for a paycheck. Hopefully, someday, there is a revenue model that alleviates this.

Samford failed to get that memo. They are FCS and SoCon and a team we can and should be as good as. They played well and did themselves proud.They lost because they were out manned and out played but they did not embarrass themselves or the school.

(09-09-2018 08:23 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:42 AM)HelmetHead Wrote:  Would like to acknowledge the team for a good effort. They played hard and tried their best. Just out of their league in terms of numbers and talent. Shameful that FCS schools have to sacrifice their athletes for a paycheck. Hopefully, someday, there is a revenue model that alleviates this.

Samford failed to get that memo. They are FCS and SoCon and a team we can and should be as good as. They played well and did themselves proud.They lost because they were out manned and out played but they did not embarrass themselves or the school.

Furman got drilled by Clemson. Memphis crushed Mercer. You are cherry picking one game. FCS teams generally get hammered by these teams. Even good FCS teams can get beat bad. Even JMU, an elite FCS team, couldn’t beat a bad NC State team last week.

If your argument is that we should be as good as Samford, then yeah I agree. We need some better players. But the fact Samford played FSU that close was more luck than skill.

(09-09-2018 08:29 AM)brock20 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 08:23 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:42 AM)HelmetHead Wrote:  Would like to acknowledge the team for a good effort. They played hard and tried their best. Just out of their league in terms of numbers and talent. Shameful that FCS schools have to sacrifice their athletes for a paycheck. Hopefully, someday, there is a revenue model that alleviates this.

Samford failed to get that memo. They are FCS and SoCon and a team we can and should be as good as. They played well and did themselves proud.They lost because they were out manned and out played but they did not embarrass themselves or the school.

Furman got drilled by Clemson. Memphis crushed Mercer. You are cherry picking one game. FCS teams generally get hammered by these teams. Even good FCS teams can get beat bad. Even JMU, an elite FCS team, couldn’t beat a bad NC State team last week.

If your argument is that we should be as good as Samford, then yeah I agree. We need some better players. But the fact Samford played FSU that close was more luck than skill.

I usually totally agree with you but on this I disagree. We cannot keep saying we are young. A lot of the mistakes were made during the Mars Hill game and is just coaching and had not improved one iota during the last two years. That is disappointing. The fact that we are not close to being as good as our fellow SoCon teams is disturbing to me. The problem yesterday was not the opponent but the breakdown in the way we played. Maybe we can improve but there needs to be a whole lot of improvement made to be competitive in the SoCon.

(09-09-2018 08:35 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 08:29 AM)brock20 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 08:23 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:42 AM)HelmetHead Wrote:  Would like to acknowledge the team for a good effort. They played hard and tried their best. Just out of their league in terms of numbers and talent. Shameful that FCS schools have to sacrifice their athletes for a paycheck. Hopefully, someday, there is a revenue model that alleviates this.

Samford failed to get that memo. They are FCS and SoCon and a team we can and should be as good as. They played well and did themselves proud.They lost because they were out manned and out played but they did not embarrass themselves or the school.

Furman got drilled by Clemson. Memphis crushed Mercer. You are cherry picking one game. FCS teams generally get hammered by these teams. Even good FCS teams can get beat bad. Even JMU, an elite FCS team, couldn’t beat a bad NC State team last week.

If your argument is that we should be as good as Samford, then yeah I agree. We need some better players. But the fact Samford played FSU that close was more luck than skill.

I usually totally agree with you but on this I disagree. We cannot keep saying we are young. A lot of the mistakes were made during the Mars Hill game and is just coaching and had not improved one iota during the last two years. That is disappointing. The fact that we are not close to being as good as our fellow SoCon teams is disturbing to me. The problem yesterday was not the opponent but the breakdown in the way we played. Maybe we can improve but there needs to be a whole lot of improvement made to be competitive in the SoCon.

I’m not saying we are young or anything like that. I am agreeing with your premise that we should be a better socon team and should be concerned. I just don’t think the UT game should be used as a barometer to determine if we are any good or not. We could have an excellent SoCon team and could have still got beat badly by them.

Torbush did not do a good job building this team. We just don’t have the players.

(09-09-2018 08:44 AM)brock20 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 08:35 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 08:29 AM)brock20 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 08:23 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:42 AM)HelmetHead Wrote:  Would like to acknowledge the team for a good effort. They played hard and tried their best. Just out of their league in terms of numbers and talent. Shameful that FCS schools have to sacrifice their athletes for a paycheck. Hopefully, someday, there is a revenue model that alleviates this.

Samford failed to get that memo. They are FCS and SoCon and a team we can and should be as good as. They played well and did themselves proud.They lost because they were out manned and out played but they did not embarrass themselves or the school.

Furman got drilled by Clemson. Memphis crushed Mercer. You are cherry picking one game. FCS teams generally get hammered by these teams. Even good FCS teams can get beat bad. Even JMU, an elite FCS team, couldn’t beat a bad NC State team last week.

If your argument is that we should be as good as Samford, then yeah I agree. We need some better players. But the fact Samford played FSU that close was more luck than skill.

I usually totally agree with you but on this I disagree. We cannot keep saying we are young. A lot of the mistakes were made during the Mars Hill game and is just coaching and had not improved one iota during the last two years. That is disappointing. The fact that we are not close to being as good as our fellow SoCon teams is disturbing to me. The problem yesterday was not the opponent but the breakdown in the way we played. Maybe we can improve but there needs to be a whole lot of improvement made to be competitive in the SoCon.

I’m not saying we are young or anything like that. I am agreeing with your premise that we should be a better socon team and should be concerned. I just don’t think the UT game should be used as a barometer to determine if we are any good or not. We could have an excellent SoCon team and could have still got beat badly by them.

Torbush did not do a good job building this team. We just don’t have the players.

Yes I expected to lose. Who would not have expected that? But it was the way we played not only against ut but also against Mars Hill. So from the first two games I believe we are not yet competitive with SoCon teams and that is what is worrying me. The team we had two years ago could have played that exact same game yesterday. Hopefully we will improve but we have a whole lot of improvement to make just to compete in the Socon. I just do not see the improvement I expect and I believe other Buc fans expect.

(09-09-2018 08:51 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  Yes I expected to lose. Who would not have expected that? But it was the way we played not only against ut but also against Mars Hill. So from the first two games I believe we are not yet competitive with SoCon teams and that is what is worrying me. The team we had two years ago could have played that exact same game yesterday. Hopefully we will improve but we have a whole lot of improvement to make just to compete in the Socon. I just do not see the improvement I expect and I believe other Buc fans expect.

I agree with you, it is looking like another long year and the team from 2 years ago probably would have looked the same because it is mostly the same guys. We should have had more transfers and juco's early on.

It's almost like ETSU asked Kennesaw what they were going to do with football and then set out to do the polar opposite. Young coach vs old coach. Transfers vs marginal d1 freshmen. And on it goes down the line.

(09-09-2018 09:37 AM)MTBuc Wrote:  It's almost like ETSU asked Kennesaw what they were going to do with football and then set out to do the polar opposite. Young coach vs old coach. Transfers vs marginal d1 freshmen. And on it goes down the line.

I’d be funny if it didn’t sound so true

(09-09-2018 09:37 AM)MTBuc Wrote:  It's almost like ETSU asked Kennesaw what they were going to do with football and then set out to do the polar opposite. Young coach vs old coach. Transfers vs marginal d1 freshmen. And on it goes down the line.

Not going to go back and pull threads (unless I really really have to) or call people out because I don't recall all the names. BUT I most certainly threads back in the day talking about how ETSU you was doing it right, that the shortcut couldn't work long term, it was better to build a team with a core that would be here for 4 years etc.
I also remember pointing out that Forbes was building the basketball team in that manner, I was told fewer players, different game, 1 or two guys could make a bigger difference.
I also got a lot of heat for pointing out our "New" coach was getting old and had a lot health problems (forced to retire twice), I have to admit, he stayed around longer then I thought he would.

(09-09-2018 10:58 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 09:37 AM)MTBuc Wrote:  It's almost like ETSU asked Kennesaw what they were going to do with football and then set out to do the polar opposite. Young coach vs old coach. Transfers vs marginal d1 freshmen. And on it goes down the line.

Not going to go back and pull threads (unless I really really have to) or call people out because I don't recall all the names. BUT I most certainly threads back in the day talking about how ETSU you was doing it right, that the shortcut couldn't work long term, it was better to build a team with a core that would be here for 4 years etc.
I also remember pointing out that Forbes was building the basketball team in that manner, I was told fewer players, different game, 1 or two guys could make a bigger difference.
I also got a lot of heat for pointing out our "New" coach was getting old and had a lot health problems (forced to retire twice), I have to admit, he stayed around longer then I thought he would.

You may be right. Can’t remember what I said back then. If I did I was wrong. Won’t be the first or last time.

Let’s not give up on this team just yet. Seems the Mars Hill game they ran pretty vanilla on offense & defense and I suppose the team was looKing Towards the UT game. 1st half dropped passes fumbles etc. Came out the 2nd half and played with more focus much like what UT did after the weather delay. If the next 3 weeks we don’t compete then probably have some issues and warrant some complaing.

I thought Torbush was the steady handed and appropriate choice when he was hired. Started having doubts about halfway through the first Kennesaw game and I was pretty certain we'd messed up after the consecutive losses to D3 schools. Safe to say that he was a big failure considering that we look like a middle of the pack SAC program right now.

Kennesaw probably has the potential to go FBS at some point soon but their attendance is pretty bad. Maybe a couple thousand less per game than ETSU right now. I assume they still draw crowds in the dozens for basketball so that won't help.

(09-09-2018 11:49 AM)MTBuc Wrote:  I thought Torbush was the steady handed and appropriate choice when he was hired. Started having doubts about halfway through the first Kennesaw game and I was pretty certain we'd messed up after the consecutive losses to D3 schools. Safe to say that he was a big failure considering that we look like a middle of the pack SAC program right now.

Kennesaw probably has the potential to go FBS at some point soon but their attendance is pretty bad. Maybe a couple thousand less per game than ETSU right now. I assume they still draw crowds in the dozens for basketball so that won't help.

Yes Torbush sounded great at first. If done correctly we should a competitive FCS team by now. We have the stadium and facilities that we did not have a couple of years ago. The VMI game will tell us a lot as they are as bad a SoCon team that we will face this year. I am willing to give the team a chance to improve but to the point, the way our previous coach started the program did not work. It remains to be seen if our present coaching staff can straighten out our special teams problems.

I think defensively we will be able to compete in the Socon. Offensively, I thought our offensive line did a good job against TN. Our run game is improved, but lacks a player that can bust out a big play. QB and WR we are really bad. Wide receivers cannot get separation and drop way too many balls. I think Marchi has the physical ability to be pretty good, but I have been underwhelmed by him to this point. He seems to overthrow the ball quite a bit, but my biggest concern is that he throws to the wrong read quite often. Coach Sanders has alluded to this in both of his postgame comments. I could see his rope tightening up if he does not perform well in the first couple of Socon games. But in a nutshell, we just need better athletes, especially at the skill positions.

(09-09-2018 11:24 AM)brock20 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 10:58 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 09:37 AM)MTBuc Wrote:  It's almost like ETSU asked Kennesaw what they were going to do with football and then set out to do the polar opposite. Young coach vs old coach. Transfers vs marginal d1 freshmen. And on it goes down the line.

Not going to go back and pull threads (unless I really really have to) or call people out because I don't recall all the names. BUT I most certainly threads back in the day talking about how ETSU you was doing it right, that the shortcut couldn't work long term, it was better to build a team with a core that would be here for 4 years etc.
I also remember pointing out that Forbes was building the basketball team in that manner, I was told fewer players, different game, 1 or two guys could make a bigger difference.
I also got a lot of heat for pointing out our "New" coach was getting old and had a lot health problems (forced to retire twice), I have to admit, he stayed around longer then I thought he would.

You may be right. Can’t remember what I said back then. If I did I was wrong. Won’t be the first or last time.

Just looked back at a few threads and there a few guys who were giving sermons about how Torbush was doing things right but from the get to it seems like most people were talking about how we could have used more transfers and jucos. I’m sure after those first 2 wins in 2016 we all thought maybe Torbush was right. I think Torbush probably didn’t want to deal with the headache of those players. Remember his quote when asked about recruiting more jucos “what do you do when those guys graduate?” Well coach, probably the same thing you do when a 5th year senior graduates.

I hate to sound like Marky here but it appears Fulmer and Torbush took us for a ride.

There was also a lot of talk about having a ton of 5th year experienced players going in to this season but that didn't work out. We had a lot of guys walk away after last year with eligibility remaining. That was certainly their right but it further undermined the Torbush plan for program development.