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RE: Question regarding impeachment for the left
(08-24-2018 07:51 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
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(08-23-2018 02:05 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  The end goal isn't to have Trump removed from office. It is to simply impeach him to win political points. Just a way to fire up the base and drive turnout in November. If Democrats take the house in November then impeachment becomes a way to continue the narrative in hopes of injuring Trunps ability to win in 2020. It also becomes another way to fire up a the base in an attempt to retake the Senate in 2020.

I'm not in favor of impeachment unless I see way more than what I'm currently seeing. As I've said on numerous occasions I'd rather see him resign in disgrace first to spare the country the embarrassing spectacle.

And FWIW - If the democrats take the house and immediately become consumed with impeachment proceedings on what we currently know (or rather don't know yet for certain) they'll make a huge mistake and likely only make trump more popular and more electable in 2020.

The Clinton impeachment ought to serve as a warning. You don't undertake what is essentially the ultimate political nuclear option unless there is broad public support or the actions that can be proven are just so egregious that the integrity of the union is in doubt.

The majority of Americans don't much like the president but that doesn't equal broad public support for removing him from office. If his approval sinks in around 25% and moderate voices are declaring the president no longer can be president, then there is something to talk about. When Goldwater, Scott, and Rhodes went to Nixon and told him that the articles of impeachment would pass and the Senate would convict (ie. they were sure more than 11 Republican senators would vote to convict) that ended that. We are a long long long way from all the Democrats and 18 Republicans voting to convict.

The public mood isn't there and the things we can say with certainty that the president did at this point aren't going to result in 1/3rd or more of the people who support the president declaring it's time for him to go.

If true it's by the slimmest of margins.

-9.3. He’s been in that neighborhood for a few months. Definitely not the slimmest of margins unless you’re using Trumpian thought (a.k.a., outright lies).
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You aren't going to nullify the votes of half the voters in the country because a couple of whores tried to extort the President.
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RE: Question regarding impeachment for the left
(08-24-2018 09:56 AM)Momus Wrote:  
(08-24-2018 07:51 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 03:20 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 02:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 02:05 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  The end goal isn't to have Trump removed from office. It is to simply impeach him to win political points. Just a way to fire up the base and drive turnout in November. If Democrats take the house in November then impeachment becomes a way to continue the narrative in hopes of injuring Trunps ability to win in 2020. It also becomes another way to fire up a the base in an attempt to retake the Senate in 2020.

I'm not in favor of impeachment unless I see way more than what I'm currently seeing. As I've said on numerous occasions I'd rather see him resign in disgrace first to spare the country the embarrassing spectacle.

And FWIW - If the democrats take the house and immediately become consumed with impeachment proceedings on what we currently know (or rather don't know yet for certain) they'll make a huge mistake and likely only make trump more popular and more electable in 2020.

The Clinton impeachment ought to serve as a warning. You don't undertake what is essentially the ultimate political nuclear option unless there is broad public support or the actions that can be proven are just so egregious that the integrity of the union is in doubt.

The majority of Americans don't much like the president but that doesn't equal broad public support for removing him from office. If his approval sinks in around 25% and moderate voices are declaring the president no longer can be president, then there is something to talk about. When Goldwater, Scott, and Rhodes went to Nixon and told him that the articles of impeachment would pass and the Senate would convict (ie. they were sure more than 11 Republican senators would vote to convict) that ended that. We are a long long long way from all the Democrats and 18 Republicans voting to convict.

The public mood isn't there and the things we can say with certainty that the president did at this point aren't going to result in 1/3rd or more of the people who support the president declaring it's time for him to go.

If true it's by the slimmest of margins.

-9.3. He’s been in that neighborhood for a few months. Definitely not the slimmest of margins unless you’re using Trumpian thought (a.k.a., outright lies).

As far as "liking" the president as a person I'm way more than a -9.3. On policy I'm way more than +9.3. Which one do you think most people will vote on, liking him as a person, or policy?
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RE: Question regarding impeachment for the left
(08-24-2018 11:41 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(08-24-2018 09:56 AM)Momus Wrote:  
(08-24-2018 07:51 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 03:20 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 02:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm not in favor of impeachment unless I see way more than what I'm currently seeing. As I've said on numerous occasions I'd rather see him resign in disgrace first to spare the country the embarrassing spectacle.

And FWIW - If the democrats take the house and immediately become consumed with impeachment proceedings on what we currently know (or rather don't know yet for certain) they'll make a huge mistake and likely only make trump more popular and more electable in 2020.

The Clinton impeachment ought to serve as a warning. You don't undertake what is essentially the ultimate political nuclear option unless there is broad public support or the actions that can be proven are just so egregious that the integrity of the union is in doubt.

The majority of Americans don't much like the president but that doesn't equal broad public support for removing him from office. If his approval sinks in around 25% and moderate voices are declaring the president no longer can be president, then there is something to talk about. When Goldwater, Scott, and Rhodes went to Nixon and told him that the articles of impeachment would pass and the Senate would convict (ie. they were sure more than 11 Republican senators would vote to convict) that ended that. We are a long long long way from all the Democrats and 18 Republicans voting to convict.

The public mood isn't there and the things we can say with certainty that the president did at this point aren't going to result in 1/3rd or more of the people who support the president declaring it's time for him to go.

If true it's by the slimmest of margins.

-9.3. He’s been in that neighborhood for a few months. Definitely not the slimmest of margins unless you’re using Trumpian thought (a.k.a., outright lies).

As far as "liking" the president as a person I'm way more than a -9.3. On policy I'm way more than +9.3. Which one do you think most people will vote on, liking him as a person, or policy?

Demos vote on feelings, so they'll hope for everyone else to go vote on the "Person".
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(08-23-2018 09:47 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I think Trump's impeachment in the House is inevitable, if the Democrats take control of it. No way Trump's lawyer implicates him in a felony and a Democratic House just lets it go.

And I think Trump could get convicted in the Senate, if the Mueller report is particularly damning and the Democrats make big gains in the midterms. It would be a long shot, though.

I do wonder if Trump could be forced out with a deal if his son, Don Jr gets implicated and indicted.

Ill make a hefty bet NONE of those things happen.07-coffee3
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(08-23-2018 02:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 02:05 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  The end goal isn't to have Trump removed from office. It is to simply impeach him to win political points. Just a way to fire up the base and drive turnout in November. If Democrats take the house in November then impeachment becomes a way to continue the narrative in hopes of injuring Trunps ability to win in 2020. It also becomes another way to fire up a the base in an attempt to retake the Senate in 2020.

I'm not in favor of impeachment unless I see way more than what I'm currently seeing. As I've said on numerous occasions I'd rather see him resign in disgrace first to spare the country the embarrassing spectacle.

And FWIW - If the democrats take the house and immediately become consumed with impeachment proceedings on what we currently know (or rather don't know yet for certain) they'll make a huge mistake and likely only make trump more popular and more electable in 2020.

I totally agree. The Democrats need to focus on putting forth a ticket that can move votes to their side. Making Trump a martyr by trying to impeach him will not help that.
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(08-23-2018 01:24 PM)Momus Wrote:  
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(08-23-2018 08:30 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  Mike Pence on the issues

What is your end game here? Knowing where Mike Pence stands on the issues, do you really think you or this country for that matter would benefit from impeaching Trump? Aside from a few issues, DJT is fairly moderate and you would be removing him in favor of a hard line conservative. Would it not be better for the democratic party to lick your wounds and suck it up for 2 more years and try to remove the whole cabal?

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An impeachment of trump would not be FOR ME or FOR THE LEFT. It would be for the country and only if and because it was warranted.

I don't want it for the sake of wanting it. I don't give a rats ass who replaces him.

It's about country. Period.

Very astute and insightful. As for me, I hope he isn’t impeached. I prefer to see him humiliated and defeated at the ballot box. He lost the vote last time, and he’ll lose the electoral college in stunning fashion next time. The country is better off with him being removed that way, but as you said, he should be impeached if warranted. And only the lunatic right-wingers deny that possibility.

At this point I see no Democrat that can defeat Trump in a general election coming forward. They better get busy finding one. If the economy continues to improve...Trump is going to be hard to defeat. He is going to ask the same old question that has been asked by many incumbents. "Are you better off today than 4 years ago?"
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(08-23-2018 02:54 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
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(08-23-2018 08:55 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  First off, I think the jury's out on whether or not Trump gets impeached.

That said, I disagree with just about everything Pence supports, but I think he at least has a modicum of decency, unlike the current person sitting in the Oval Office. I also think he wouldn't make a laughing stock out of the US every time he opens his mouth.

I couldn't stand GWB either, but I'd trade him for Trump in a heartbeat. It's not all about a "team" winning.

And yet you would have Hillary instead, she who is orders of magnitude more dishonest than our current POTUS, she who would as soon spit on you as to look at you, I don't get it.

While Hillary isn't my favorite candidate, you are flat-out delusional if you think she is more dishonest than Trump. That's one thing Trump has in spades over just about anyone.

Clinton's strength is understanding when to call counsel, follow their advice, and shut the hell up.

Clinton has been investigated numerous times and never "exonerated" but rather a lot of "not best practices", "within the letter of the law" type findings.

Clinton's intelligence is understanding that what you want to do is possibly illegal and using good legal advice to find a way to do it without explicitly breaking laws.

I don't think that makes her or husband any more "moral" but it has kept them from getting in big trouble.

The president on the other hand is the sort of guy you never want to represent because he isn't going to listen to your advice and then declare you are stupid if he does his own thing and it works out or blame you for sucking as a lawyer if he ends up in trouble from ignoring your advice and sooner or later you end up having to write a bunch of crap up for your malpractice carrier as well as do a lot of file copying for them.

Very fair assessment.
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RE: Question regarding impeachment for the left
By in large democrat elected officials aren't talking impeachment. They want to run against Trump. Running against corrupt incompetence is promising. From a strategic political standpoint they don't need to run on impeachment and they don't need to impeach.

From a standpoint of someone who cares about his country I'd take Trump being removed for Pence in a heartbeat, despite the fact that I think Pence would be a more effective president at enacting domestic policies I disagree with. I don't want an incompetent, cable news obsessed president only motivated by self glory, representing us on the global stage. While Trump's general incompetence has prevented him from doing much damage domestically (some bad tariffs that will increase costs, a tax cut designed to shift more money to the top 1%, and skyrocket the deficits), his incompetence on the global stage could be incredibly detrimental long term. He can't speak intelligently for any measure of time on any issues, but particularly global issues. Trump doesn't have the knowledge or work ethic to build the support he needs for drastic domestic changes (which would need to go through Congress...he's done what he could basically by executive decree), but on foreign policy issues the president has incredible power and I'll take losing on issues I care about to restore competence to that realm.
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(08-24-2018 12:34 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  By in large democrat elected officials aren't talking impeachment. They want to run against Trump. Running against corrupt incompetence is promising. From a strategic political standpoint they don't need to run on impeachment and they don't need to impeach.

From a standpoint of someone who cares about his country I'd take Trump being removed for Pence in a heartbeat, despite the fact that I think Pence would be a more effective president at enacting domestic policies I disagree with. I don't want an incompetent, cable news obsessed president only motivated by self glory, representing us on the global stage. While Trump's general incompetence has prevented him from doing much damage domestically (some bad tariffs that will increase costs, a tax cut designed to shift more money to the top 1%, and skyrocket the deficits), his incompetence on the global stage could be incredibly detrimental long term. He can't speak intelligently for any measure of time on any issues, but particularly global issues. Trump doesn't have the knowledge or work ethic to build the support he needs for drastic domestic changes (which would need to go through Congress...he's done what he could basically by executive decree), but on foreign policy issues the president has incredible power and I'll take losing on issues I care about to restore competence to that realm.

This is the response I was looking for, excellent post
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An impeachment of trump would not be FOR ME or FOR THE LEFT. It would be for the country and only if and because it was warranted.

I don't want it for the sake of wanting it. I don't give a rats ass who replaces him.

It's about country. Period.
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Very astute and insightful. As for me, I hope he isn’t impeached. I prefer to see him humiliated and defeated at the ballot box. He lost the vote last time, and he’ll lose the electoral college in stunning fashion next time. The country is better off with him being removed that way, but as you said, he should be impeached if warranted. And only the lunatic right-wingers deny that possibility.
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So, if Trump does win a second term will you howl to the sky like a good Liberal? LOL

The Liberals think that us Cons believe that they'd be satisfied with Pence if Trump lost or was impeached. That right there is laughable. They want the status quo that was Oblunder and would not be calm and quiet with a Pence presidency anymore than they are now. It's not the fact that Trump and Pence won, it's the fact that the GOP moidered (as Slip Mahoney would put it) by the Republicans. Their love of socialism is what motivates them. They don't care a bit about the US's economic deliverance from failed OBlunder's Progressive, Socialist agenda. Oblunder was the closest thing America has had to a Socialist country aside from FDRs. But, they don't care, it's about Progressivism that matters.

They are too ignorant to see that a Socialist country would succumb to Venezuelas status within 4 years if not sooner. Don't hate the millionaire (which includes most every Demoncraps) love that Americans can finally work for their families instead of staying in the plantation.
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(08-23-2018 11:28 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 09:50 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(08-23-2018 09:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I just thank the man upstairs every day that:

A) Obama is nothing more now that a footnote of incompetency
B) Hillary lost

Yes sir.


Totally agree.

Second...
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Mensa keeps babbling about the president's lawyer implicating him in a felony. No one challenged Mensa to name the felony. I will. Mensa?
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03-lmfao

they got him now
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Doesn’t matter if President Trump gets Impeached, the collusion and coordination of the Press and Hollywood and the broadcast news and the Democrats has been proven. Nothing, absolutely NOTHING, can get that wiped out for over a generation.

No wonder the left wants to kill us by a thousand cuts!
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(08-24-2018 07:55 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Doesn’t matter if President Trump gets Impeached, the collusion and coordination of the Press and Hollywood and the broadcast news and the Democrats has been proven. Nothing, absolutely NOTHING, can get that wiped out for over a generation.

No wonder the left wants to kill us by a thousand cuts!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/08...residency/

Despite the brutal anti-Trump hysterics over the past five days this week including charges against his former campaign manager and personal attorney President Trump’s approval rating continues to hold.

President Trump’s approval rating is currently at 46% on Rasmussen Reports.
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let em scream at the sky. i wanna know if stormy paid taxes on her extortion....i mean settlement payment.

there is a lot of ballgame left. 45D chess.

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(08-24-2018 07:36 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Mensa keeps babbling about the president's lawyer implicating him in a felony. No one challenged Mensa to name the felony. I will. Mensa?

iirc (and I didn't listen very closely)... the CLAIM is that he admitted to a felony, but said that Trump asked him to do it. That's a felony.

I think the reality is that paying off an 'affair' or even lying about it isn't a crime at all unless you do it under oath, which Trump hasn't. Thanks to Bill Clinton.

The disconnect as I understand it is between paying off Whatsherface versus using campaign funds to do so. I don't think THAT has been alleged much less proven... and even if it has... it's really not a major amount.

Trump donated 66mm to his own election campaign, out of like 350mm... and Stormy got 130k

slap on the wrist IMO, even if he did it... which will be hard to prove, even with a cooperating witness. He said/he said.
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