RE: One of you Dem's illegal immigrants murdered beautiful Mollie Tibbetts
Those of you blaming this on illegal immigration are completely missing the forest for the trees.
A friend who lives close to where Mollie Tibbetts lived posted this today - it is the most appropriate response I've seen to this tragedy.
This afternoon, when walking to my car, a man appeared behind me in the parking garage. He walked two or three steps behind me - well in my space. I cursed myself for not holding my keys, the way we women have been trained to do, between my knuckles to strike if necessary. For a few moments, I was terrified.
This man didn’t harm me, and was guilty of no more than being oblivious to personal space. Still, women have to think every day about protecting themselves from men.
I don’t remember where I read or heard this story (and forgive me if I mess up the details) A professor asked the young men to tell the class what they do to protect themselves from rape. The men laughed nervously. The question seemed ludicrous. The professor asked the young women the same question and they easily rattled off dozens of answers: park near streetlights, check under car before getting in, hold keys between knuckles... This is just part of being a woman.
When I got home and opened the news, my heart broke to see that Mollie Tibbetts’s body had been found. This story is local to me. A young Iowa woman went for a jog and wound up dead. Women should be able to walk home after dark, park in the first spot they see, have drinks in a bar, or go for a jog without being harmed by men.
The news, our senators, our governor, and the vice president (among others, I’m sure) are making this an immigration issue.
This isn’t a immigration issue. This is a men are hurting and raping and killing women issue. How do we make them stop?
(This post was last modified: 08-22-2018 12:50 PM by tigergreen.)
RE: One of you Dem's illegal immigrants murdered beautiful Mollie Tibbetts
(08-22-2018 12:48 PM)tigergreen Wrote: Those of you blaming this on illegal immigration are completely missing the forest for the trees.
A friend who lives close to where Mollie Tibbetts lived posted this today - it is the most appropriate response I've seen to this tragedy.
This afternoon, when walking to my car, a man appeared behind me in the parking garage. He walked two or three steps behind me - well in my space. I cursed myself for not holding my keys, the way we women have been trained to do, between my knuckles to strike if necessary. For a few moments, I was terrified.
This man didn’t harm me, and was guilty of no more than being oblivious to personal space. Still, women have to think every day about protecting themselves from men.
I don’t remember where I read or heard this story (and forgive me if I mess up the details) A professor asked the young men to tell the class what they do to protect themselves from rape. The men laughed nervously. The question seemed ludicrous. The professor asked the young women the same question and they easily rattled off dozens of answers: park near streetlights, check under car before getting in, hold keys between knuckles... This is just part of being a woman.
When I got home and opened the news, my heart broke to see that Mollie Tibbetts’s body had been found. This story is local to me. A young Iowa woman went for a jog and wound up dead. Women should be able to walk home after dark, park in the first spot they see, have drinks in a bar, or go for a jog without being harmed by men.
The news, our senators, our governor, and the vice president (among others, I’m sure) are making this an immigration issue.
This isn’t a immigration issue. This is a men are hurting and raping and killing women issue. How do we make them stop?
If immigration laws had been followed with this murderer, would Mollie Tibbetts still be alive today? Women have rapists and murderers that are a threat to them in this country that are here legally. To allow that number of potential threats to our daughters and wives to be increased by allowing people that should not even be in this country is wrong, bad wrong. It amazes me people can't understand that point. Once again, if this illegal immigrant that committed this horrendous murder, who shouldn't have even been in this country, not been here, would that beautiful, sweet woman, Mollie Tibbetts, still be alive today?
RE: One of you Dem's illegal immigrants murdered beautiful Mollie Tibbetts
(08-22-2018 11:07 AM)umbluegray Wrote:
(08-21-2018 10:17 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote: Probably because the board liberals don’t feel the need to condemn something that is a condemned universally. Is this young lady’s death any more tragic than anyone else that has has there life stolen?
Do any of the board conservatives have any ideas on how to stop illegal immigration? Keep in mind, illegals committ crime at a lower rate then citizens. But some here never let political brownie points go.
Yes:
1. a wall with drone patrols and armed turrets
2. the loss of business license for ANY employer found to have illegals working for them
3. the end of sanctuary cities
4. immediate deportation of any and all illegals with a permanent flag to never be allowed in the U.S. for any reason
RE: One of you Dem's illegal immigrants murdered beautiful Mollie Tibbetts
(08-22-2018 12:48 PM)tigergreen Wrote: Those of you blaming this on illegal immigration are completely missing the forest for the trees.
A friend who lives close to where Mollie Tibbetts lived posted this today - it is the most appropriate response I've seen to this tragedy.
This afternoon, when walking to my car, a man appeared behind me in the parking garage. He walked two or three steps behind me - well in my space. I cursed myself for not holding my keys, the way we women have been trained to do, between my knuckles to strike if necessary. For a few moments, I was terrified.
This man didn’t harm me, and was guilty of no more than being oblivious to personal space. Still, women have to think every day about protecting themselves from men.
I don’t remember where I read or heard this story (and forgive me if I mess up the details) A professor asked the young men to tell the class what they do to protect themselves from rape. The men laughed nervously. The question seemed ludicrous. The professor asked the young women the same question and they easily rattled off dozens of answers: park near streetlights, check under car before getting in, hold keys between knuckles... This is just part of being a woman.
When I got home and opened the news, my heart broke to see that Mollie Tibbetts’s body had been found. This story is local to me. A young Iowa woman went for a jog and wound up dead. Women should be able to walk home after dark, park in the first spot they see, have drinks in a bar, or go for a jog without being harmed by men.
The news, our senators, our governor, and the vice president (among others, I’m sure) are making this an immigration issue.
This isn’t a immigration issue. This is a men are hurting and raping and killing women issue. How do we make them stop?
Wrong.
It is both issues.
Execute confessed murders and rapists.
Throw illegal aliens out and secure the border.
Plus what my man spirit said
(This post was last modified: 08-22-2018 01:02 PM by shere khan.)
RE: One of you Dem's illegal immigrants murdered beautiful Mollie Tibbetts
(08-22-2018 12:57 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:
(08-22-2018 11:07 AM)umbluegray Wrote:
(08-21-2018 10:17 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote: Probably because the board liberals don’t feel the need to condemn something that is a condemned universally. Is this young lady’s death any more tragic than anyone else that has has there life stolen?
Do any of the board conservatives have any ideas on how to stop illegal immigration? Keep in mind, illegals committ crime at a lower rate then citizens. But some here never let political brownie points go.
Yes:
1. a wall with drone patrols and armed turrets
2. the loss of business license for ANY employer found to have illegals working for them
3. the end of sanctuary cities
4. immediate deportation of any and all illegals with a permanent flag to never be allowed in the U.S. for any reason
There's a start.
Cost of #1? Where is that money to come from?
Bless your heart, there’s absolutely no thought into the feasibility of their plans regarding immigration. They voted for the guy who said he’d make Mexico pay for the wall, it’s like bad improv to them. It’s just “yes and”, and the next time those drones will be infrared with sidewinder missiles.
RE: One of you Dem's illegal immigrants murdered beautiful Mollie Tibbetts
(08-22-2018 01:05 PM)UCF08 Wrote:
(08-22-2018 12:57 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:
(08-22-2018 11:07 AM)umbluegray Wrote:
(08-21-2018 10:17 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote: Probably because the board liberals don’t feel the need to condemn something that is a condemned universally. Is this young lady’s death any more tragic than anyone else that has has there life stolen?
Do any of the board conservatives have any ideas on how to stop illegal immigration? Keep in mind, illegals committ crime at a lower rate then citizens. But some here never let political brownie points go.
Yes:
1. a wall with drone patrols and armed turrets
2. the loss of business license for ANY employer found to have illegals working for them
3. the end of sanctuary cities
4. immediate deportation of any and all illegals with a permanent flag to never be allowed in the U.S. for any reason
There's a start.
Cost of #1? Where is that money to come from?
Bless your heart, there’s absolutely no thought into the feasibility of their plans regarding immigration. They voted for the guy who said he’d make Mexico pay for the wall, it’s like bad improv to them. It’s just “yes and”, and the next time those drones will be infrared with sidewinder missiles.
RE: One of you Dem's illegal immigrants murdered beautiful Mollie Tibbetts
(08-22-2018 10:37 AM)Kronke Wrote:
(08-22-2018 10:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(08-22-2018 06:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:
(08-22-2018 06:21 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: So this was the big story on Fox last night???”
Makes sense.
Are you upset that illegals commit crimes at a much higher rate than legal citizens and that the man who murdered this young woman was an illegal Mexican? And that this is a big news story must upset you. It could have been worse the perp could have been a brown muslim, cheer up Mach.
Source?
U.S. Sentencing Commission. In 2016, 22% of murder convictions were illegals, despite them only being ~4% of the general population.
It is amazing that you want to call the MSM fake news but you swallow whatever Fox News shoves down your throat.
Tucker Carlson intentionally mislead with those stats. The numbers are not new now nor were they new when Tucker report on them in 2017. Here are links to previous reports:
The numbers you've used are the non-citizen rates for particular convictions, e.g. 22.6% of all federal convictions for murder were by non-citizens. Notice anything about those murder numbers? 84 total murders in the U.S. seems low right. It is because it only accounts for federal convictions, and this data is overall discussing the federal prison population. In fact, in the U.S. in 2016 there were more than 17,000 murder convictions.
Federal prison population is skewed towards non-citizens because illegal immigration is a federal crime, so these numbers are not even representative of the larger prison population.
Tucker’s argument that is "Non citizens commit 22% more murder" because there are 19 non-citizens that have murder convictions in federal prison, which accounts for less than 0.5% of all U.S. murder convictions. I call that Fake News.
RE: One of you Dem's illegal immigrants murdered beautiful Mollie Tibbetts
(08-22-2018 01:13 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:
(08-22-2018 10:37 AM)Kronke Wrote:
(08-22-2018 10:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(08-22-2018 06:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:
(08-22-2018 06:21 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: So this was the big story on Fox last night???”
Makes sense.
Are you upset that illegals commit crimes at a much higher rate than legal citizens and that the man who murdered this young woman was an illegal Mexican? And that this is a big news story must upset you. It could have been worse the perp could have been a brown muslim, cheer up Mach.
Source?
U.S. Sentencing Commission. In 2016, 22% of murder convictions were illegals, despite them only being ~4% of the general population.
It is amazing that you want to call the MSM fake news but you swallow whatever Fox News shoves down your throat.
Tucker Carlson intentionally mislead with those stats. The numbers are not new now nor were they new when Tucker report on them in 2017. Here are links to previous reports:
The numbers you've used are the non-citizen rates for particular convictions, e.g. 22.6% of all federal convictions for murder were by non-citizens. Notice anything about those murder numbers? 84 total murders in the U.S. seems low right. It is because it only accounts for federal convictions, and this data is overall discussing the federal prison population. In fact, in the U.S. in 2016 there were more than 17,000 murder convictions.
Federal prison population is skewed towards non-citizens because illegal immigration is a federal crime, so these numbers are not even representative of the larger prison population.
Tucker’s argument that is "Non citizens commit 22% more murder" because there are 19 non-citizens that have murder convictions in federal prison, which accounts for less than 0.5% of all U.S. murder convictions. I call that Fake News.
I guess those numbers are acceptable to democrats because they hate America.
A few illegal alien murders are ok, right democrats
RE: One of you Dem's illegal immigrants murdered beautiful Mollie Tibbetts
(08-22-2018 01:13 PM)shere khan Wrote:
(08-22-2018 01:05 PM)UCF08 Wrote:
(08-22-2018 12:57 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:
(08-22-2018 11:07 AM)umbluegray Wrote:
(08-21-2018 10:17 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote: Probably because the board liberals don’t feel the need to condemn something that is a condemned universally. Is this young lady’s death any more tragic than anyone else that has has there life stolen?
Do any of the board conservatives have any ideas on how to stop illegal immigration? Keep in mind, illegals committ crime at a lower rate then citizens. But some here never let political brownie points go.
Yes:
1. a wall with drone patrols and armed turrets
2. the loss of business license for ANY employer found to have illegals working for them
3. the end of sanctuary cities
4. immediate deportation of any and all illegals with a permanent flag to never be allowed in the U.S. for any reason
There's a start.
Cost of #1? Where is that money to come from?
Bless your heart, there’s absolutely no thought into the feasibility of their plans regarding immigration. They voted for the guy who said he’d make Mexico pay for the wall, it’s like bad improv to them. It’s just “yes and”, and the next time those drones will be infrared with sidewinder missiles.
We get it. Democrats hate America
Pretty much. When you put the good of criminal foreigners over the good of American citizens that's exactly the message you are sending.
RE: One of you Dem's illegal immigrants murdered beautiful Mollie Tibbetts
(08-22-2018 01:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:
(08-22-2018 01:13 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:
(08-22-2018 10:37 AM)Kronke Wrote:
(08-22-2018 10:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(08-22-2018 06:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: Are you upset that illegals commit crimes at a much higher rate than legal citizens and that the man who murdered this young woman was an illegal Mexican? And that this is a big news story must upset you. It could have been worse the perp could have been a brown muslim, cheer up Mach.
Source?
U.S. Sentencing Commission. In 2016, 22% of murder convictions were illegals, despite them only being ~4% of the general population.
It is amazing that you want to call the MSM fake news but you swallow whatever Fox News shoves down your throat.
Tucker Carlson intentionally mislead with those stats. The numbers are not new now nor were they new when Tucker report on them in 2017. Here are links to previous reports:
The numbers you've used are the non-citizen rates for particular convictions, e.g. 22.6% of all federal convictions for murder were by non-citizens. Notice anything about those murder numbers? 84 total murders in the U.S. seems low right. It is because it only accounts for federal convictions, and this data is overall discussing the federal prison population. In fact, in the U.S. in 2016 there were more than 17,000 murder convictions.
Federal prison population is skewed towards non-citizens because illegal immigration is a federal crime, so these numbers are not even representative of the larger prison population.
Tucker’s argument that is "Non citizens commit 22% more murder" because there are 19 non-citizens that have murder convictions in federal prison, which accounts for less than 0.5% of all U.S. murder convictions. I call that Fake News.
I guess those numbers are acceptable to democrats because they hate America.
A few illegal alien murders are ok, right democrats
Yeah, screw that guy for daring to use actual numbers to correct the fake ones posted earlier! Clearly his correction of literal fake news means he hates America and wants illegal immigrants to kill Americans!
RE: One of you Dem's illegal immigrants murdered beautiful Mollie Tibbetts
(08-22-2018 01:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:
(08-22-2018 01:13 PM)shere khan Wrote:
(08-22-2018 01:05 PM)UCF08 Wrote:
(08-22-2018 12:57 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:
(08-22-2018 11:07 AM)umbluegray Wrote: Yes:
1. a wall with drone patrols and armed turrets
2. the loss of business license for ANY employer found to have illegals working for them
3. the end of sanctuary cities
4. immediate deportation of any and all illegals with a permanent flag to never be allowed in the U.S. for any reason
There's a start.
Cost of #1? Where is that money to come from?
Bless your heart, there’s absolutely no thought into the feasibility of their plans regarding immigration. They voted for the guy who said he’d make Mexico pay for the wall, it’s like bad improv to them. It’s just “yes and”, and the next time those drones will be infrared with sidewinder missiles.
We get it. Democrats hate America
Pretty much. When you put the good of criminal foreigners over the good of American citizens that's exactly the message you are sending.
Not what they’re doing, but by all means, continue to make up the position of your opponents. Truly the sign of an intellectual giant.
It is amazing that you want to call the MSM fake news but you swallow whatever Fox News shoves down your throat.
Tucker Carlson intentionally mislead with those stats. The numbers are not new now nor were they new when Tucker report on them in 2017. Here are links to previous reports:
The numbers you've used are the non-citizen rates for particular convictions, e.g. 22.6% of all federal convictions for murder were by non-citizens. Notice anything about those murder numbers? 84 total murders in the U.S. seems low right. It is because it only accounts for federal convictions, and this data is overall discussing the federal prison population. In fact, in the U.S. in 2016 there were more than 17,000 murder convictions.
Federal prison population is skewed towards non-citizens because illegal immigration is a federal crime, so these numbers are not even representative of the larger prison population.
Tucker’s argument that is "Non citizens commit 22% more murder" because there are 19 non-citizens that have murder convictions in federal prison, which accounts for less than 0.5% of all U.S. murder convictions. I call that Fake News.
I guess those numbers are acceptable to democrats because they hate America.
A few illegal alien murders are ok, right democrats
Yeah, screw that guy for daring to use actual numbers to correct the fake ones posted earlier! Clearly his correction of literal fake news means he hates America and wants illegal immigrants to kill Americans!
Yeah. A few illegal alien murders are ok for democrats but exaggeration or interpreting data differently...well by god, that's unaccaptable.
RE: One of you Dem's illegal immigrants murdered beautiful Mollie Tibbetts
Here is a nugget: I work in construction. Design professional in an MEP trade. Amount of Mexicans on sites has gone DOWN in the past year. Bigly. Starting to see a lot more women on sites instead. Doing roofing, hanging sheetrock, installing rat runners in attics, even operating mini-exes.
And keep in mind this is the Orlando area. TONS of construction going on right now. Roads all over town are cut up. Unprecedented amount of infrastructure improvement.
Used to see only Mexicans doing this work and now I have seen lots of women.
Which is a beautiful thing. A woman that can use her hands and mind in conjunction in a mechanically inclined fashion is a keeper, IMO.
RE: One of you Dem's illegal immigrants murdered beautiful Mollie Tibbetts
(08-22-2018 01:25 PM)shere khan Wrote:
(08-22-2018 01:22 PM)UCF08 Wrote:
(08-22-2018 01:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:
(08-22-2018 01:13 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:
(08-22-2018 10:37 AM)Kronke Wrote: U.S. Sentencing Commission. In 2016, 22% of murder convictions were illegals, despite them only being ~4% of the general population.
It is amazing that you want to call the MSM fake news but you swallow whatever Fox News shoves down your throat.
Tucker Carlson intentionally mislead with those stats. The numbers are not new now nor were they new when Tucker report on them in 2017. Here are links to previous reports:
The numbers you've used are the non-citizen rates for particular convictions, e.g. 22.6% of all federal convictions for murder were by non-citizens. Notice anything about those murder numbers? 84 total murders in the U.S. seems low right. It is because it only accounts for federal convictions, and this data is overall discussing the federal prison population. In fact, in the U.S. in 2016 there were more than 17,000 murder convictions.
Federal prison population is skewed towards non-citizens because illegal immigration is a federal crime, so these numbers are not even representative of the larger prison population.
Tucker’s argument that is "Non citizens commit 22% more murder" because there are 19 non-citizens that have murder convictions in federal prison, which accounts for less than 0.5% of all U.S. murder convictions. I call that Fake News.
I guess those numbers are acceptable to democrats because they hate America.
A few illegal alien murders are ok, right democrats
Yeah, screw that guy for daring to use actual numbers to correct the fake ones posted earlier! Clearly his correction of literal fake news means he hates America and wants illegal immigrants to kill Americans!
Yeah. A few illegal alien murders are ok for democrats but exaggeration or interpreting data differently...well by god, that's unaccaptable.
I didn’t realize his correcting the lies that Tucker Carlson told his viewers meant he approved of murder. Mind quoting that part? Surely you didn’t just make such a serious claim up wholesale.
RE: One of you Dem's illegal immigrants murdered beautiful Mollie Tibbetts
(08-22-2018 01:27 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote: Here is a nugget: I work in construction. Design professional in an MEP trade. Amount of Mexicans on sites has gone DOWN in the past year. Bigly. Starting to see a lot more women on sites instead. Doing roofing, hanging sheetrock, installing rat runners in attics, even operating mini-exes.
And keep in mind this is the Orlando area. TONS of construction going on right now. Roads all over town are cut up. Unprecedented amount of infrastructure improvement.
Used to see only Mexicans doing this work and now I have seen lots of women.
Which is a beautiful thing. A woman that can use her hands and mind in conjunction in a mechanically inclined fashion is a keeper, IMO.
Good thing we’ve got anecdotes, who needs actual data?
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One of you Dem's illegal immigrants murdered beautiful Mollie Tibbetts
