(08-21-2018 12:27 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 12:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 11:50 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

Of course he does...

When the gap between the starter and the backup is smaller I would bet you would feel better.

The issue is the gap is smaller because the starter is not as good.

You have been wrong in every post you've made in this thread.

It IS a bad move to quit your team 10 days before the first game. There is no way to excuse that.

Riley was signed in the same class as Moore, so he didn't bring in somebody over him. They both had a chance and Brady Davis was the backup first season, because Moore redshirted.

You don't feel good about depth if all of them are bad, you feel horrible about it. That's just stupid to say that he feels good because they're equally bad.

Coach Norvell said at the start of camp that he felt better about our QBs than any other time he's been here. He thought we had more talent and depth. So either you don't know what you're talking about or Coach Norvell is an idiot or a liar. I am squarely going with you are wrong.

I didn't say they were all bad...I sad the drop from the starter to the backups was not as large as previous years due to the starter not being as good. So if the starter gets hurt there will not be as big of a drop off and the team will survive because they are relying on other strengths like running the ball.

But hey whatever floats your boat.

(08-21-2018 12:48 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 12:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 11:50 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

Of course he does...

When the gap between the starter and the backup is smaller I would bet you would feel better.

The issue is the gap is smaller because the starter is not as good.

How do you get the starter is not good out of that comment...

Aren't you an attorney...

Seems if you are you would have caught the AS in that sentence saying White is not as good as Riley. What you said and what is in that sentence are two entirely different things.

(08-21-2018 03:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:12 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 10:59 AM)shere khan Wrote:  If my memory is right davis left in the spring not 10 days before our first game.

Exactly. It's the timing. No one blames Moore for leaving. But everyone should question Moore about leaving NOW. If he felt this way, he should have bailed when Brady showed up. Would have been better for him and his (former) teammates.

I dont know why anyone would question him for leaving now. He didn't leave when Brady showed up because he thought he could win the starting spot - he didn't so now he wants out rather than riding the bench.

Ya, that is why I have no real problem with this. He stayed, he competed for the starting spot and lost out. At that point, he knew his playing time was going to be extremely limited barring an injury, and I am sure no player would wish that on a teammate.

This guys only have 4 years to play college ball. I do not blame a kid who has spent two of them riding the pine and not wanting to spend at least 1 more year and possibly the last two of his 4 years holding a clip board.

If it were no big deal, you'd see players doing this a week before the season started all the time. You don't. It's VERY rare because it's a bad move.

And David has 3 more years of eligibility here. People seem confused. He's a redshirt sophomore. However, now if he goes D1 he will lose a year since he's already used his redshirt year - and he'll only have 2 years when he plays next year. But I'm guessing he goes down a level.

Why is it a bad move for David Moore?

(08-21-2018 03:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:12 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 10:59 AM)shere khan Wrote:  If my memory is right davis left in the spring not 10 days before our first game.

Exactly. It's the timing. No one blames Moore for leaving. But everyone should question Moore about leaving NOW. If he felt this way, he should have bailed when Brady showed up. Would have been better for him and his (former) teammates.

I dont know why anyone would question him for leaving now. He didn't leave when Brady showed up because he thought he could win the starting spot - he didn't so now he wants out rather than riding the bench.

Ya, that is why I have no real problem with this. He stayed, he competed for the starting spot and lost out. At that point, he knew his playing time was going to be extremely limited barring an injury, and I am sure no player would wish that on a teammate.

This guys only have 4 years to play college ball. I do not blame a kid who has spent two of them riding the pine and not wanting to spend at least 1 more year and possibly the last two of his 4 years holding a clip board.

If it were no big deal, you'd see players doing this a week before the season started all the time. You don't. It's VERY rare because it's a bad move.

And David has 3 more years of eligibility here. People seem confused. He's a redshirt sophomore. However, now if he goes D1 he will lose a year since he's already used his redshirt year - and he'll only have 2 years when he plays next year. But I'm guessing he goes down a level.

But with everyone starting games next week; I don't see him transferring anywhere and getting to play this year ...

(08-21-2018 12:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 11:50 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

Of course he does...

When the gap between the starter and the backup is smaller I would bet you would feel better.

The issue is the gap is smaller because the starter is not as good.

You have a knack for coming up with some dumb outside the box stuff.

(08-21-2018 03:16 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:12 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Exactly. It's the timing. No one blames Moore for leaving. But everyone should question Moore about leaving NOW. If he felt this way, he should have bailed when Brady showed up. Would have been better for him and his (former) teammates.

I dont know why anyone would question him for leaving now. He didn't leave when Brady showed up because he thought he could win the starting spot - he didn't so now he wants out rather than riding the bench.

Ya, that is why I have no real problem with this. He stayed, he competed for the starting spot and lost out. At that point, he knew his playing time was going to be extremely limited barring an injury, and I am sure no player would wish that on a teammate.

This guys only have 4 years to play college ball. I do not blame a kid who has spent two of them riding the pine and not wanting to spend at least 1 more year and possibly the last two of his 4 years holding a clip board.

If it were no big deal, you'd see players doing this a week before the season started all the time. You don't. It's VERY rare because it's a bad move.

And David has 3 more years of eligibility here. People seem confused. He's a redshirt sophomore. However, now if he goes D1 he will lose a year since he's already used his redshirt year - and he'll only have 2 years when he plays next year. But I'm guessing he goes down a level.

Why is it a bad move for David Moore?

He will have a hard time playing this year, even if he goes down a level. Can you imagine the lockerroom elsewhere if a dude shows up tomorrow and begins playing next weekend?

So it shows bad judgement in his willingness to leave his team now with no upside to playing immediately and losing the year of eligibility. As someone said - an emotional decision. And those, at least the big ones, don't usually turn out like you hoped. Best to have waited until December to transfer.

But it's mostly a bad move because in a sport catalyzed by a true "team" mindset, leaving this late is contrary to that and is furthermore a bad look. IMO

(08-21-2018 03:26 PM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:12 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Exactly. It's the timing. No one blames Moore for leaving. But everyone should question Moore about leaving NOW. If he felt this way, he should have bailed when Brady showed up. Would have been better for him and his (former) teammates.

I dont know why anyone would question him for leaving now. He didn't leave when Brady showed up because he thought he could win the starting spot - he didn't so now he wants out rather than riding the bench.

Ya, that is why I have no real problem with this. He stayed, he competed for the starting spot and lost out. At that point, he knew his playing time was going to be extremely limited barring an injury, and I am sure no player would wish that on a teammate.

This guys only have 4 years to play college ball. I do not blame a kid who has spent two of them riding the pine and not wanting to spend at least 1 more year and possibly the last two of his 4 years holding a clip board.

If it were no big deal, you'd see players doing this a week before the season started all the time. You don't. It's VERY rare because it's a bad move.

And David has 3 more years of eligibility here. People seem confused. He's a redshirt sophomore. However, now if he goes D1 he will lose a year since he's already used his redshirt year - and he'll only have 2 years when he plays next year. But I'm guessing he goes down a level.

But with everyone starting games next week; I don't see him transferring anywhere and getting to play this year ...

Agree. I don't even know what the rule is since he's been practicing. I think he goes down a level and has 2 years starting next. Just not a good move to do it now. Wait until December.

(08-21-2018 03:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:16 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:12 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  I dont know why anyone would question him for leaving now. He didn't leave when Brady showed up because he thought he could win the starting spot - he didn't so now he wants out rather than riding the bench.

Ya, that is why I have no real problem with this. He stayed, he competed for the starting spot and lost out. At that point, he knew his playing time was going to be extremely limited barring an injury, and I am sure no player would wish that on a teammate.

This guys only have 4 years to play college ball. I do not blame a kid who has spent two of them riding the pine and not wanting to spend at least 1 more year and possibly the last two of his 4 years holding a clip board.

If it were no big deal, you'd see players doing this a week before the season started all the time. You don't. It's VERY rare because it's a bad move.

And David has 3 more years of eligibility here. People seem confused. He's a redshirt sophomore. However, now if he goes D1 he will lose a year since he's already used his redshirt year - and he'll only have 2 years when he plays next year. But I'm guessing he goes down a level.

Why is it a bad move for David Moore?

He will have a hard time playing this year, even if he goes down a level. Can you imagine the lockerroom elsewhere if a dude shows up tomorrow and begins playing next weekend?

So it shows bad judgement in his willingness to leave his team now with no upside to playing immediately and losing the year of eligibility. As someone said - an emotional decision. And those, at least the big ones, don't usually turn out like you hoped. Best to have waited until December to transfer.

But it's mostly a bad move because in a sport catalyzed by a true "team" mindset, leaving this late is contrary to that and is furthermore a bad look. IMO

Transferring this year before classes start is the right move. He gets to learn the scheme and offense for a year while he sits out his transfer year and he will be ready to compete in the spring.

Any other transfer scenario is worse...

Only scenario that works out better for Moore is hoping White fails or gets hurt. I understand not wanting to go down that road and Moore wanting to take control of his own situation.

(08-21-2018 03:54 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:16 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Ya, that is why I have no real problem with this. He stayed, he competed for the starting spot and lost out. At that point, he knew his playing time was going to be extremely limited barring an injury, and I am sure no player would wish that on a teammate.

This guys only have 4 years to play college ball. I do not blame a kid who has spent two of them riding the pine and not wanting to spend at least 1 more year and possibly the last two of his 4 years holding a clip board.

If it were no big deal, you'd see players doing this a week before the season started all the time. You don't. It's VERY rare because it's a bad move.

And David has 3 more years of eligibility here. People seem confused. He's a redshirt sophomore. However, now if he goes D1 he will lose a year since he's already used his redshirt year - and he'll only have 2 years when he plays next year. But I'm guessing he goes down a level.

Why is it a bad move for David Moore?

He will have a hard time playing this year, even if he goes down a level. Can you imagine the lockerroom elsewhere if a dude shows up tomorrow and begins playing next weekend?

So it shows bad judgement in his willingness to leave his team now with no upside to playing immediately and losing the year of eligibility. As someone said - an emotional decision. And those, at least the big ones, don't usually turn out like you hoped. Best to have waited until December to transfer.

But it's mostly a bad move because in a sport catalyzed by a true "team" mindset, leaving this late is contrary to that and is furthermore a bad look. IMO

Transferring this year before classes start is the right move. He gets to learn the scheme and offense for a year while he sits out his transfer year and he will be ready to compete in the spring.

Any other transfer scenario is worse.

I'm not sure he can even practice with another team this year, since he's been practicing with us.

Why don't others wait this late if it's such a good move?

(08-21-2018 03:52 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:26 PM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:12 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  I dont know why anyone would question him for leaving now. He didn't leave when Brady showed up because he thought he could win the starting spot - he didn't so now he wants out rather than riding the bench.

Ya, that is why I have no real problem with this. He stayed, he competed for the starting spot and lost out. At that point, he knew his playing time was going to be extremely limited barring an injury, and I am sure no player would wish that on a teammate.

This guys only have 4 years to play college ball. I do not blame a kid who has spent two of them riding the pine and not wanting to spend at least 1 more year and possibly the last two of his 4 years holding a clip board.

If it were no big deal, you'd see players doing this a week before the season started all the time. You don't. It's VERY rare because it's a bad move.

And David has 3 more years of eligibility here. People seem confused. He's a redshirt sophomore. However, now if he goes D1 he will lose a year since he's already used his redshirt year - and he'll only have 2 years when he plays next year. But I'm guessing he goes down a level.

But with everyone starting games next week; I don't see him transferring anywhere and getting to play this year ...

Agree. I don't even know what the rule is since he's been practicing. I think he goes down a level and has 2 years starting next. Just not a good move to do it now. Wait until December.

He cant play this year even if he decided to transfer in January unless he has already graduated.

Transfer now get a year of experience under your belt with the new system and be ready to compete in the spring. You are not thinking this through.

(08-21-2018 03:57 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:54 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:16 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  If it were no big deal, you'd see players doing this a week before the season started all the time. You don't. It's VERY rare because it's a bad move.

And David has 3 more years of eligibility here. People seem confused. He's a redshirt sophomore. However, now if he goes D1 he will lose a year since he's already used his redshirt year - and he'll only have 2 years when he plays next year. But I'm guessing he goes down a level.

Why is it a bad move for David Moore?

He will have a hard time playing this year, even if he goes down a level. Can you imagine the lockerroom elsewhere if a dude shows up tomorrow and begins playing next weekend?

So it shows bad judgement in his willingness to leave his team now with no upside to playing immediately and losing the year of eligibility. As someone said - an emotional decision. And those, at least the big ones, don't usually turn out like you hoped. Best to have waited until December to transfer.

But it's mostly a bad move because in a sport catalyzed by a true "team" mindset, leaving this late is contrary to that and is furthermore a bad look. IMO

Transferring this year before classes start is the right move. He gets to learn the scheme and offense for a year while he sits out his transfer year and he will be ready to compete in the spring.

Any other transfer scenario is worse.

I'm not sure he can even practice with another team this year, since he's been practicing with us.

Why don't others wait this late if it's such a good move?

I would think he can since the semester has not started yet. Kids transfer in December in basketball and start practicing immediately, why would this be different?

(08-21-2018 03:57 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:54 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:16 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  If it were no big deal, you'd see players doing this a week before the season started all the time. You don't. It's VERY rare because it's a bad move.

And David has 3 more years of eligibility here. People seem confused. He's a redshirt sophomore. However, now if he goes D1 he will lose a year since he's already used his redshirt year - and he'll only have 2 years when he plays next year. But I'm guessing he goes down a level.

Why is it a bad move for David Moore?

He will have a hard time playing this year, even if he goes down a level. Can you imagine the lockerroom elsewhere if a dude shows up tomorrow and begins playing next weekend?

So it shows bad judgement in his willingness to leave his team now with no upside to playing immediately and losing the year of eligibility. As someone said - an emotional decision. And those, at least the big ones, don't usually turn out like you hoped. Best to have waited until December to transfer.

But it's mostly a bad move because in a sport catalyzed by a true "team" mindset, leaving this late is contrary to that and is furthermore a bad look. IMO

Transferring this year before classes start is the right move. He gets to learn the scheme and offense for a year while he sits out his transfer year and he will be ready to compete in the spring.

Any other transfer scenario is worse.

I'm not sure he can even practice with another team this year, since he's been practicing with us.

Why don't others wait this late if it's such a good move?

It is always better to transfer earlier if you know you wont get to play. But Moore didn't know he wasn't going to get his shot.

And QBs are different than many other positions. If you are not the starting QB you are only getting in during mop-up or if the starter gets injured.

Most other positions platoon and there is a shot that you can earn more playing time by playing well in games. It is rare for a QB to supplant another QB who is already playing well.

When recruiting at the level that we are now - and going after high level qbs every year (which you have to do to stay competitive) - we can expect annual transfers at the position. And many times it will be the #2 heading out. Coach will recruit without making promises and go after the best prospects he can. They all want to be "the man" when they sign. Some of them never will be. It's the nature of big time football with a high performance offense. We seem destined to have a young qb at either #1 or #2. How many consecutive years have we seen qbs transfer out? How many times have we had a redshirt freshman backup?

We just don't expect it to happen in late August. December through June is when this stuff should get taken care of.

(08-21-2018 04:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:52 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:26 PM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 02:55 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Ya, that is why I have no real problem with this. He stayed, he competed for the starting spot and lost out. At that point, he knew his playing time was going to be extremely limited barring an injury, and I am sure no player would wish that on a teammate.

This guys only have 4 years to play college ball. I do not blame a kid who has spent two of them riding the pine and not wanting to spend at least 1 more year and possibly the last two of his 4 years holding a clip board.

If it were no big deal, you'd see players doing this a week before the season started all the time. You don't. It's VERY rare because it's a bad move.

And David has 3 more years of eligibility here. People seem confused. He's a redshirt sophomore. However, now if he goes D1 he will lose a year since he's already used his redshirt year - and he'll only have 2 years when he plays next year. But I'm guessing he goes down a level.

But with everyone starting games next week; I don't see him transferring anywhere and getting to play this year ...

Agree. I don't even know what the rule is since he's been practicing. I think he goes down a level and has 2 years starting next. Just not a good move to do it now. Wait until December.

He cant play this year even if he decided to transfer in January unless he has already graduated.

Transfer now get a year of experience under your belt with the new system and be ready to compete in the spring. You are not thinking this through.

lol, I'm thinking it through.

If he goes D1, he sits this year no matter whether he leaves last January, June, or now. I get it. January and June of course allow him more time and doesn't hurt his former teammates as much, but it's the same amount of time for him.

However, if he left in January or June and went down a level (which I've stated repeatedly that I think he will), he can play immediately and is more ready to play immediately. Now he's in limbo and he has no time to work with the new team. So he wastes this year even if he goes down a level.

(08-21-2018 04:01 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:57 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:54 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:16 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Why is it a bad move for David Moore?

He will have a hard time playing this year, even if he goes down a level. Can you imagine the lockerroom elsewhere if a dude shows up tomorrow and begins playing next weekend?

So it shows bad judgement in his willingness to leave his team now with no upside to playing immediately and losing the year of eligibility. As someone said - an emotional decision. And those, at least the big ones, don't usually turn out like you hoped. Best to have waited until December to transfer.

But it's mostly a bad move because in a sport catalyzed by a true "team" mindset, leaving this late is contrary to that and is furthermore a bad look. IMO

Transferring this year before classes start is the right move. He gets to learn the scheme and offense for a year while he sits out his transfer year and he will be ready to compete in the spring.

Any other transfer scenario is worse.

I'm not sure he can even practice with another team this year, since he's been practicing with us.

Why don't others wait this late if it's such a good move?

I would think he can since the semester has not started yet. Kids transfer in December in basketball and start practicing immediately, why would this be different?

I was thinking there was some unusual rule about if you were participating in team activities, then you had essentially used that year of eligibility (or redshirt). If you left in, say, October, you had forfeited that season of eligibility and you still had to sit the entire next season for transfer rules. Thought it might apply here since he's been practicing for the 2018-19 academic year. But I researched and it seems that only applies to attending classes, and not practice.

So he will be eligible next year at D1 (although he still loses this season since he's already redshirted) and have 2 years left. Or he will be eligible immediately if he goes down a level and have 3 years left.

He could go lower level this year, play immediately, and try to go back D1 next year to keep from losing a year and showcase his talents. Again, that is tough to do this late though.

(08-21-2018 11:38 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 11:30 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

which idiot asked coach why he was transferring.

Sounds like Giannotto

(08-21-2018 10:49 AM)T.I.G.E.R.S Wrote:  If he's really transferring cause he didn't win the starting QB spot that's b*$ch move.

I agree.
P-ssy !

(08-21-2018 04:39 PM)TigerFan40 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 11:38 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 11:30 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

which idiot asked coach why he was transferring.

Sounds like Giannotto

I haven't listened, but his voice is pretty easy to differentiate. Not saying he's got a northern, nasal sound with a very deliberate pace or anything like that...

(08-21-2018 04:39 PM)TigerFan40 Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 11:38 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 11:30 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

which idiot asked coach why he was transferring.

Sounds like Giannotto

You asked the question because you need the quote. Also, while the answer.might be obvious, you never absolutely know what you are going to get.