(08-20-2018 02:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:13 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  I know it's been said ad nauseam, but I do not understand why someone who is no longer in public service as some agent of the government, needs to have access to state secrets. Just doesn't make sense at any level.

They. Don't.

So therefore there is no reason for any of them to have a clearance. Not just Brennan, but a few thousand others.

(08-20-2018 03:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 11:22 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Two things:

1.) Trump is savage A.F.
2.) Winning is his hobby

Quote: I hope John Brennan, the worst CIA Director in our country’s history, brings a lawsuit. It will then be very easy to get all of his records, texts, emails and documents to show not only the poor job he did, but how he was involved with the Mueller Rigged Witch Hunt. He won’t sue!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 20, 2018

Trump then followed up by calling out the practice of using security clearance for economic gain:

Everybody wants to keep their Security Clearance, it’s worth great prestige and big dollars, even board seats, and that is why certain people are coming forward to protect Brennan. It certainly isn’t because of the good job he did! He is a political “hack.”

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 20, 2018

Read more here....

He is going to need one.

And you need a favorite college team to cheer for.

Every grey cloud has a sliver of blue sky behind it when you have a team to cheer for.

Just pick one at random.

UCF for example.

(08-20-2018 03:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 02:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:13 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  I know it's been said ad nauseam, but I do not understand why someone who is no longer in public service as some agent of the government, needs to have access to state secrets. Just doesn't make sense at any level.

They. Don't.

So therefore there is no reason for any of them to have a clearance. Not just Brennan, but a few thousand others.

This has been covered extensively here. There is no harm to keep them. Doing so allows them to re-enter the government in current or future administrations. If it's pulled, I believe someone posted the link earlier (but I have not verified), they can no longer get one.

Former officials at the level of Brennan have extensive experience that may be utilized in the future on sensitive matters. If they don't have a clearance or can no longer get one, that expertise is now useless.

This is a petty dick move and nothing more.

(08-20-2018 03:17 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 11:22 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Two things:

1.) Trump is savage A.F.
2.) Winning is his hobby

Quote: I hope John Brennan, the worst CIA Director in our country’s history, brings a lawsuit. It will then be very easy to get all of his records, texts, emails and documents to show not only the poor job he did, but how he was involved with the Mueller Rigged Witch Hunt. He won’t sue!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 20, 2018

Trump then followed up by calling out the practice of using security clearance for economic gain:

Everybody wants to keep their Security Clearance, it’s worth great prestige and big dollars, even board seats, and that is why certain people are coming forward to protect Brennan. It certainly isn’t because of the good job he did! He is a political “hack.”

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 20, 2018

Read more here....

He is going to need one.

For?

Do you all think he's too good to reapply for one?

Hell if you think it's cause Trump's out in 2020, several libs here havr said the President can grant such clearances, should be no big deal.


https://csnbbs.com/thread-842712.html

(08-20-2018 03:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 02:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:13 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  I know it's been said ad nauseam, but I do not understand why someone who is no longer in public service as some agent of the government, needs to have access to state secrets. Just doesn't make sense at any level.

They. Don't.

So therefore there is no reason for any of them to have a clearance. Not just Brennan, but a few thousand others.

This has been covered extensively here. There is no harm to keep them. Doing so allows them to re-enter the government in current or future administrations. If it's pulled, I believe someone posted the link earlier (but I have not verified), they can no longer get one.

Former officials at the level of Brennan have extensive experience that may be utilized in the future on sensitive matters. If they don't have a clearance or can no longer get one, that expertise is now useless.

This is a petty dick move and nothing more.

If you have your clearance revoked you have to apply and have it reinstated.

(08-20-2018 03:06 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:35 PM)gdunn Wrote:  So sue for a clearance you don't need. Like to see how that works out.. may set a precedent that once you're no longer in a position that requires it you lose it across the board.

When has Brennan ever indicated that he would sue over this? Sounds just like more ignorance from trump.

Yesterday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-...d_nn_tw_np

Thanks, although I read this as a suit to stop him doing this to others or for damages personally to Brennan...not so much just to get his clearance back, which was what I was referring to when I asked.

(08-20-2018 03:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:06 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:35 PM)gdunn Wrote:  So sue for a clearance you don't need. Like to see how that works out.. may set a precedent that once you're no longer in a position that requires it you lose it across the board.

When has Brennan ever indicated that he would sue over this? Sounds just like more ignorance from trump.

Yesterday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-...d_nn_tw_np

Thanks, although I read this as a suit to stop him doing this to others or as damages personally to Brennan...not so much just to get his clearance back, which was was I was referring to when I asked.

It's a lawsuit about the president revoking them is what I'd think but opening that box may prove detrimental to others like him and they revoke theirs.

(08-20-2018 03:26 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 02:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:13 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  I know it's been said ad nauseam, but I do not understand why someone who is no longer in public service as some agent of the government, needs to have access to state secrets. Just doesn't make sense at any level.

They. Don't.

So therefore there is no reason for any of them to have a clearance. Not just Brennan, but a few thousand others.

This has been covered extensively here. There is no harm to keep them. Doing so allows them to re-enter the government in current or future administrations. If it's pulled, I believe someone posted the link earlier (but I have not verified), they can no longer get one.

Former officials at the level of Brennan have extensive experience that may be utilized in the future on sensitive matters. If they don't have a clearance or can no longer get one, that expertise is now useless.

This is a petty dick move and nothing more.

If you have your clearance revoked you have to apply and have it reinstated.

That was my understanding, but someone said it changed and they no longer could. Regardless, if they can get it again, you have to start from zero and go through the whole exercise again, wasting everyone's time and money.

(08-20-2018 03:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 02:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:13 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  I know it's been said ad nauseam, but I do not understand why someone who is no longer in public service as some agent of the government, needs to have access to state secrets. Just doesn't make sense at any level.

They. Don't.

So therefore there is no reason for any of them to have a clearance. Not just Brennan, but a few thousand others.

This has been covered extensively here. There is no harm to keep them. Doing so allows them to re-enter the government in current or future administrations. If it's pulled, I believe someone posted the link earlier (but I have not verified), they can no longer get one.

Former officials at the level of Brennan have extensive experience that may be utilized in the future on sensitive matters. If they don't have a clearance or can no longer get one, that expertise is now useless.

This is a petty dick move and nothing more.

Couldn't the President just give it to him?

https://csnbbs.com/thread-842712.html

(08-20-2018 03:14 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 02:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:13 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  I know it's been said ad nauseam, but I do not understand why someone who is no longer in public service as some agent of the government, needs to have access to state secrets. Just doesn't make sense at any level.

They. Don't.

Elaborate

Having a clearance doesn't entitle him, for example, to just walk into the White House situation room and start reading intel. He has to be granted access...or supplied with the classified info by someone authorized by the trump administration to give it to him. And I don't see that happening.

(08-20-2018 03:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:26 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 02:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  They. Don't.

So therefore there is no reason for any of them to have a clearance. Not just Brennan, but a few thousand others.

This has been covered extensively here. There is no harm to keep them. Doing so allows them to re-enter the government in current or future administrations. If it's pulled, I believe someone posted the link earlier (but I have not verified), they can no longer get one.

Former officials at the level of Brennan have extensive experience that may be utilized in the future on sensitive matters. If they don't have a clearance or can no longer get one, that expertise is now useless.

This is a petty dick move and nothing more.

If you have your clearance revoked you have to apply and have it reinstated.

That was my understanding, but someone said it changed and they no longer could. Regardless, if they can get it again, you have to start from zero and go through the whole exercise again, wasting everyone's time and money.

Well I mean what's to hide in the process? I mean you only put your life out there for them to examine. Someone like me doesn't have much to hide.

(08-20-2018 03:30 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:26 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So therefore there is no reason for any of them to have a clearance. Not just Brennan, but a few thousand others.

This has been covered extensively here. There is no harm to keep them. Doing so allows them to re-enter the government in current or future administrations. If it's pulled, I believe someone posted the link earlier (but I have not verified), they can no longer get one.

Former officials at the level of Brennan have extensive experience that may be utilized in the future on sensitive matters. If they don't have a clearance or can no longer get one, that expertise is now useless.

This is a petty dick move and nothing more.

If you have your clearance revoked you have to apply and have it reinstated.

That was my understanding, but someone said it changed and they no longer could. Regardless, if they can get it again, you have to start from zero and go through the whole exercise again, wasting everyone's time and money.

Well I mean what's to hide in the process? I mean you only put your life out there for them to examine. Someone like me doesn't have much to hide.

Not the point.

(08-20-2018 03:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not the point.

I agree. The point that needs to be made is that college football kicks off this Saturday!

(08-20-2018 03:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 02:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:13 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  I know it's been said ad nauseam, but I do not understand why someone who is no longer in public service as some agent of the government, needs to have access to state secrets. Just doesn't make sense at any level.

They. Don't.

So therefore there is no reason for any of them to have a clearance. Not just Brennan, but a few thousand others.

This has been covered extensively here. There is no harm to keep them. Doing so allows them to re-enter the government in current or future administrations. If it's pulled, I believe someone posted the link earlier (but I have not verified), they can no longer get one.

Former officials at the level of Brennan have extensive experience that may be utilized in the future on sensitive matters. If they don't have a clearance or can no longer get one, that expertise is now useless.

This is a petty dick move and nothing more.

So that's a lot of beating around the bush to say that it is lucrative for them for personal gain.

(08-20-2018 03:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 02:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:13 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  I know it's been said ad nauseam, but I do not understand why someone who is no longer in public service as some agent of the government, needs to have access to state secrets. Just doesn't make sense at any level.

They. Don't.

So therefore there is no reason for any of them to have a clearance. Not just Brennan, but a few thousand others.

This has been covered extensively here. There is no harm to keep them. Doing so allows them to re-enter the government in current or future administrations. If it's pulled, I believe someone posted the link earlier (but I have not verified), they can no longer get one.

Former officials at the level of Brennan have extensive experience that may be utilized in the future on sensitive matters. If they don't have a clearance or can no longer get one, that expertise is now useless.

This is a petty dick move and nothing more.

Former officials at the level of Brennan are called subversives.

(08-20-2018 02:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:17 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  My dad, a pilot during Vietnam, is fired up about this.

He told me his security clearance was revoked as soon as he left the Air Force.


Now, back to Trump.

Just spit-balling here, but I don't think a retired AF pilot has the same clearance level or necessities as the former director of the CIA.

But tell him thanks for his service please.

No, of course not.

As others have mentioned here and in other forums, security clearance is on a "need to know" basis.

After administration transition meetings have occurred there is NO reason for anyone to maintain their security clearance. In the past it's been done as "professional courtesy".

I think now we're seeing the reason why that courtesy was extended -- to make your potential fees higher than normal.

(08-20-2018 12:28 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:17 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  My dad, a pilot during Vietnam, is fired up about this.

He told me his security clearance was revoked as soon as he left the Air Force.


Now, back to Trump.

The issue had never been front & center on the national stage, even His Orangeness said as much. Based on what I've learned since the issue surfaced, it appears to be classic inside-the-swampy-beltway-milk-it-for-all-you-can stuff.

As was posted in another thread here where the guy goes bananas and tells another guest to "get out" on CNN, I suspect that congress is deeply involved as many ex-congressmen and senators take jobs inside the beltway after they've been ousted from office. Apparently having the clearance is coveted because it automatically gives one more presitge and access. Which, in a nutshell means that one is able to sell influence and secrets to the highest bidder.

I once worked for a number of months for a large company that had purchased mine. They were based in Houston. I stayed on long enough to make sure that they understood my accounting system, jobs-in-progress, etc, but they had their own experts in my line of business and would do fine without me.

The day I resigned and walked out of their door, I turned in my entrance security card and everything else they'd given me that was company-owned. What other way would one part company with an employee?

When you’re heading to that corner office on K street, keeping that clearance is imperative.

We all saw how utterly freaked out “Get out” guy was by the very suggestion clearances should be yanked the minute you leave office or lose an election.

How else are jack-wagons like Sandy Berger gonna still have access to places like the OEOB so they can stuff docs into their underwear and socks?!?

Priceless... it tis.

(08-20-2018 03:06 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:35 PM)gdunn Wrote:  So sue for a clearance you don't need. Like to see how that works out.. may set a precedent that once you're no longer in a position that requires it you lose it across the board.

When has Brennan ever indicated that he would sue over this? Sounds just like more ignorance from trump.

Yesterday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-...d_nn_tw_np

Oh, c’moooon.

We all know how Drumpf-biased NBC News is.

*shakes head*

(08-20-2018 03:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:06 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 03:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 12:35 PM)gdunn Wrote:  So sue for a clearance you don't need. Like to see how that works out.. may set a precedent that once you're no longer in a position that requires it you lose it across the board.

When has Brennan ever indicated that he would sue over this? Sounds just like more ignorance from trump.

Yesterday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-...d_nn_tw_np

Thanks, although I read this as a suit to stop him doing this to others or for damages personally to Brennan...not so much just to get his clearance back, which was what I was referring to when I asked.

What damages?

You just said a post or two ago these things were next to useless.

Anything commie knows he knows already, duh. If he’s not actively using the clearance cause he’s been fired, what possible damages could there be?

Unless, of course, he’s still receiving classified info as a gossip show guest...