(08-15-2018 04:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 04:44 PM)Claw Wrote:  We don't need to just ridicule Bernie.

We have to start fighting ideas with ideas and making the case for personal liberty. If we do not, we are going to lose everything.

Yep.

Bernie's basic philosophy: You can rob from Peter to pay Paul, and in the process you can buy Paul's vote. Get enough Pauls and you can win an election.

LBJ version: Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor, keep 'em dependent on handouts, and you keep 'em voting democrat.

Problem with that philosophy, as expressed by Maggie Thatcher: Socialism works, until you run out of somebody else's money.

Republican problem: How to explain that we all end up as Peter.

Republican problem: It is hard to campaign against Santa Claus.

(08-16-2018 08:45 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 04:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 04:44 PM)Claw Wrote:  We don't need to just ridicule Bernie.

We have to start fighting ideas with ideas and making the case for personal liberty. If we do not, we are going to lose everything.

Yep.

Bernie's basic philosophy: You can rob from Peter to pay Paul, and in the process you can buy Paul's vote. Get enough Pauls and you can win an election.

LBJ version: Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor, keep 'em dependent on handouts, and you keep 'em voting democrat.

Problem with that philosophy, as expressed by Maggie Thatcher: Socialism works, until you run out of somebody else's money.

Republican problem: How to explain that we all end up as Peter.

Republican problem: It is hard to campaign against Santa Claus.

Amen.

It's hard to convince people that hard work will let you earn what you have when the other side's message is "let someone else do the work, you're owed...."

Paycheck for work v Paycheck for sitting on ass.

Let's see.....

(08-16-2018 08:45 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 04:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 04:44 PM)Claw Wrote:  We don't need to just ridicule Bernie.
We have to start fighting ideas with ideas and making the case for personal liberty. If we do not, we are going to lose everything.

Yep.
Bernie's basic philosophy: You can rob from Peter to pay Paul, and in the process you can buy Paul's vote. Get enough Pauls and you can win an election.
LBJ version: Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor, keep 'em dependent on handouts, and you keep 'em voting democrat.
Problem with that philosophy, as expressed by Maggie Thatcher: Socialism works, until you run out of somebody else's money.
Republican problem: How to explain that we all end up as Peter.

Republican problem: It is hard to campaign against Santa Claus.

Yes, but it can--and has to--be done. And quite frankly, republicans are doing a piss-poor job of it so far.

Former President Obama just printed more money when we needed it. Out of thin air.
He bailed out the banks and the auto industry.
Ford bought employees out.

Most younger people look at that and say “why not us?”

(08-16-2018 11:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Former President Obama just printed more money when we needed it. Out of thin air.
He bailed out the banks and the auto industry.
Ford bought employees out.

Most younger people look at that and say “why not us?”

That has been a few years but I remember Bush doing these things at the end of his term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_...ct_of_2008

I remember the uproar from true economic conservatives.

The auto bailout I think was initiated by Bush and Obama carried it out

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive...E2%80%9310

Neither were financially conservative in my book.

(08-17-2018 06:55 AM)JTiger Wrote:  

(08-16-2018 11:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Former President Obama just printed more money when we needed it. Out of thin air.
He bailed out the banks and the auto industry.
Ford bought employees out.
Most younger people look at that and say “why not us?”

That has been a few years but I remember Bush doing these things at the end of his term.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_...ct_of_2008
I remember the uproar from true economic conservatives.
The auto bailout I think was initiated by Bush and Obama carried it out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive...E2%80%9310
Neither were financially conservative in my book.

No, they weren't. Bill Clinton was more fiscally conservative than either of them. That does not imply that a democrat would be more fiscally conservative today.

(08-17-2018 11:32 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-17-2018 06:55 AM)JTiger Wrote:  

(08-16-2018 11:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Former President Obama just printed more money when we needed it. Out of thin air.
He bailed out the banks and the auto industry.
Ford bought employees out.
Most younger people look at that and say “why not us?”

That has been a few years but I remember Bush doing these things at the end of his term.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_...ct_of_2008
I remember the uproar from true economic conservatives.
The auto bailout I think was initiated by Bush and Obama carried it out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive...E2%80%9310
Neither were financially conservative in my book.

No, they weren't. Bill Clinton was more fiscally conservative than either of them. That does not imply that a democrat would be more fiscally conservative today.

True. One good thing about Bill Clinton was that he was a politician first and not an idealist. He knew he had to work with the Republican congress to get anything done so he compromised and got things done and we were almost on the road to a balanced budget.

(08-16-2018 09:16 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-16-2018 08:45 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 04:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 04:44 PM)Claw Wrote:  We don't need to just ridicule Bernie.
We have to start fighting ideas with ideas and making the case for personal liberty. If we do not, we are going to lose everything.

Yep.
Bernie's basic philosophy: You can rob from Peter to pay Paul, and in the process you can buy Paul's vote. Get enough Pauls and you can win an election.
LBJ version: Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor, keep 'em dependent on handouts, and you keep 'em voting democrat.
Problem with that philosophy, as expressed by Maggie Thatcher: Socialism works, until you run out of somebody else's money.
Republican problem: How to explain that we all end up as Peter.

Republican problem: It is hard to campaign against Santa Claus.

Yes, but it can--and has to--be done. And quite frankly, republicans are doing a piss-poor job of it so far.

you betcha......

#henceDJT

(08-15-2018 04:51 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 04:34 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 04:28 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  I could not watch the interview on Cuomo,s show.

It serves you (and everyone else) else who watches that crappy new network right. Why would I WASTE my precious time listening to these people who spout so much negativity knowing full well that what they're saying is a bunch of lies and propaganda. Really, Bernie, a man that's never held a REAL job in his life. Stupid old man should be handed a fishing rod and told to enjoy his old age because only the sickly minded take him to heart.

Sorry, but I have to keep my options open.

That's where common sense comes in. I don't need to watch that Crappy News Network to get the REAL news. For example this website which will probably be shut down by the Liberal Left for having commonsense posters may one day be too dangerous for the Libturds. I only read the posts here and Fox because brother the rest are unscrupulous.

(08-15-2018 04:23 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

Quote:America is currently “fundamentally immoral and wrong.”

..............but generous enough for Herr Sanders to afford three luxury residences.

If socialists ever figure out that that their rich leadership simply wants to lock them into to poverty because it helps to lock the leader into riches, they'll ditch this crap.

For all of you who are constantly telling the left the variety of reasons they are suckers, this should be at the top of your agenda.

Every socialist state that has ever existed had an oligarchy of wealthy (or soon to be wealthy) potentates who do nothing but harangue against the rich. The dress poorly for the public and live like kings at the expense of the poor.

You have to be really stupid to back Bernie once you know how wealthy he really is.

There was never a socialist regime that didn't take from the middle to give to the bottom and rob only from the truly wealthy who failed to support them.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/08/1...shing.html

Wonder if Sanders is as ignorant of history as the young NY congresswoman.

"...Sen. Sanders, and more have recently shared articles from Jacobin magazine on their social media accounts. Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., once sent a Jacobin piece to everyone in Congress...."

Newt reminds everyone who the Jacobins were.

(08-15-2018 04:48 PM)shere khan Wrote:  How many times have I said that Democrats hate America. They admit it

"MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN"

(08-17-2018 11:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If socialists ever figure out that that their rich leadership simply wants to lock them into to poverty because it helps to lock the leader into riches, they'll ditch this crap.

Everyone expects to be Kommisar, no one expects to clean bedpans.

(08-20-2018 08:06 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(08-17-2018 11:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If socialists ever figure out that that their rich leadership simply wants to lock them into to poverty because it helps to lock the leader into riches, they'll ditch this crap.

Everyone expects to be Kommisar, no one expects to clean bedpans.

That's the difference between socialism in theory and socialism in practice.

In theory, theory works well in practice; in practice, it doesn't.