(07-26-2018 10:57 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I've previously said I thought AAC was in for a nice raise and I think that is the most probable outcome, my guess and Attack's are pretty close together.

I'm just not as confident in that as I was.

The newer reports of cord-cutting accelerating. The Comcast vs. BTN reports and the ATT vs. Pac-12 reports all leave me leery.

Disney is a publicly traded that is tightly watched by analysts. An increase in an expense without a clear path to higher revenue from that expenditure is going to be a ding.

That makes me think ESPN's feeling pressure to make ESPN+ work and that requires content and the caliber they likely want is not consistent with what AAC will want to hand over.

Not ready to backoff my earlier guess but not feeling as strongly about it.

A couple of things worth mentioning, the link below indicates that carriage revenue from ESPN is not falling--but actually continues to rise. This is due to the automatic escalator clause in the carriage agreements. The cost rises a few percent every year and it would appear that more than offsets the percentage of subscriber erosion.

https://www.businessinsider.com/espn-is-...rs-2017-12

Secondly---if these subscriber numbers are correct (they were lifted from March AC Nielson report), the ESPN was only down less than 700K subscribers year to year (from March 2017 to March 2018)---which would tend to indicate the trend is not accellerating--in fact, this would tend to suggest the trend had actually slowed. It may be that ESPN on-line subscriptions (Hulu, Sling, Vue. etc) are starting to largely offset cable subscription losses.

(07-25-2018 11:46 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 02:01 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I am surprised the usual suspects haven't been on here to say the AAC will get a decrease, an extension of their current deal or at best a bump of less than $1M. Of course, it is still on only 12pm Pacific, 1pm Mountain Time.

I think most people believe that $4 million per team per year is realistically achievable for the AAC and $6 million is, too. Those figures are in line with this article (doubling or tripling the current contract). It's getting beyond that figure, which would require a 400% or more increase compared to the current deal, where the skepticism arises. Even accounting for the argument that the current AAC deal is artificially low, networks aren't giving out 400% increases to anyone right now. Now, I do think ESPN has a vested interest in content for ESPN+, so whatever they might be holding back in terms of spending for their linear networks, they may be willing to pay a premium for to get more games on ESPN+.

It is almost like the AAC is a NBA Player on a rookie deal and ESPN is an NBA GM dealing with a salary cap. The player has outperformed the rookie contract and the GM is trying to avoid going over the cap. They will need to find a number that works for both. Kind of like the recent negotiations between Marcus Smart and the Boston Celtics.

The ideal situation is probably a combination of ESPN and CBS, with the annual number at about $8 million per year for all-sports schools and $2 million for Wichita State. Navy has their own TV deal with CBS, with a carve out for the Notre Dame at Navy game to be televised on ESPN in even number years (2020,2022,2024,2026 and 2028). Plus the continued exposure that the AAC has received on ESPN and CBS. The AAC needs to come out of this negotiation with a certain level of respect and ESPN needs to keep their costs until control given the cord cutting going on.

(07-26-2018 11:44 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 11:46 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 02:01 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I am surprised the usual suspects haven't been on here to say the AAC will get a decrease, an extension of their current deal or at best a bump of less than $1M. Of course, it is still on only 12pm Pacific, 1pm Mountain Time.

I think most people believe that $4 million per team per year is realistically achievable for the AAC and $6 million is, too. Those figures are in line with this article (doubling or tripling the current contract). It's getting beyond that figure, which would require a 400% or more increase compared to the current deal, where the skepticism arises. Even accounting for the argument that the current AAC deal is artificially low, networks aren't giving out 400% increases to anyone right now. Now, I do think ESPN has a vested interest in content for ESPN+, so whatever they might be holding back in terms of spending for their linear networks, they may be willing to pay a premium for to get more games on ESPN+.

It is almost like the AAC is a NBA Player on a rookie deal and ESPN is an NBA GM dealing with a salary cap. The player has outperformed the rookie contract and the GM is trying to avoid going over the cap. They will need to find a number that works for both. Kind of like the recent negotiations between Marcus Smart and the Boston Celtics.

The ideal situation is probably a combination of ESPN and CBS, with the annual number at about $8 million per year for all-sports schools and $2 million for Wichita State. Navy has their own TV deal with CBS, with a carve out for the Notre Dame at Navy game to be televised on ESPN in even number years (2020,2022,2024,2026 and 2028). Plus the continued exposure that the AAC has received on ESPN and CBS. The AAC needs to come out of this negotiation with a certain level of respect and ESPN needs to keep their costs until control given the cord cutting going on.

The real wild card is NBC. Based on some recent moves, I think they are going to come pretty hard for some AAC FBS content to fill in their Saturday line-up around the Notre Dame cornerstone FBS property. The AAC makes sense for NBC for several reasons.

1) There are no P5 contracts available till the mid 2020's.

2) They were interested in the unproven AAC product in 2013---seems now that they have seen it drastically outperform expectations--logic says they would be even more intrigued.

3) Its just the kind of big bang for the buck economical choice that would appeal to NBC/Comcast management. They can get half the P5 ratings for 20-25% of P5 cost.

Last year, just for fun I checked NBC OTA to see what they were showing on a Saturday afternoon. It was a 3 hour car auction. Another time it was an infomercial. I think NBC will be looking to fill those kind of slots with a 20-25 game package that will air on NBC-Sports and some select Saturday slots on NBC-OTA.

A perfect scenario would be one where NBC offered a deal that put a game a week on OTA NBC and two games on weeks when there is no Notre Dame home game.

The rest of the package could be sublicensed for some Friday night ESPN slots as well as aired on NBC Sports.

I'm still of the opinion that bringing in a foursome of western schools like Boise St, San Diego St, AFA, and BYU or landing AFA and Army could help their tv value tremendously, particularly for any tv partner hoping to utilize the late night timeslot.

(07-25-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 08:41 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Aresco is right, and that’s about 15m per team, then after bowls and cfp money, AAC teams could be pushing closer to 20m a year
Put that in your pipe and smoke it...

It sure would be awesome for USF to start collecting that kind of money.

I'm highly skeptical, but Aresco is the expert, not me.

With that kind of money, there would be a lot of calls to the AAC from the other schools not A5 to join.

(07-25-2018 10:12 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the AAC's market value was truly, $8-$10-$15 million per year, wouldn't ESPN just pay the Big 12/SEC/ACC to take 3-4 schools (UCF, USF, Houston, Cincinnati) for a marginal increase in revenue distribution, in order to drive the value of the conference down in order to keep cheap content (ala 2012)? It doesn't make sense to pay such a substantial increase in yearly payouts when you can just take the value at the top and slide it into the P5 for a marginal increase, keeping the value of the product down and cost affordable.

I'm not a doctor or anything, but wouldn't that cost more? Currently, each P5 program is making about as much as the entire AAC in TV dollars.

So, let's say it's a conference that gets $30m per school. If you add 4, that's $120m extra if you want to keep the payouts the same per school in that conference. A marginal increase would be even more than that.

On the other side, that same $120m would give the AAC $10m per team and give them a larger inventory of games.

Given that we'd probably take $100m (8m per team), it doesn't make sense to pay 4 additional teams P5 money.

(07-25-2018 10:12 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the AAC's market value was truly, $8-$10-$15 million per year, wouldn't ESPN just pay the Big 12/SEC/ACC to take 3-4 schools (UCF, USF, Houston, Cincinnati) for a marginal increase in revenue distribution, in order to drive the value of the conference down in order to keep cheap content (ala 2012)? It doesn't make sense to pay such a substantial increase in yearly payouts when you can just take the value at the top and slide it into the P5 for a marginal increase, keeping the value of the product down and cost affordable.

Well lets add thing up, 2 teams to b12....50 mil per year...4 100 mil.
50 mil divided by 12 AAC schools is 4.1 mil, assuming the rest of AAC schools are worth 2 mil,..20 mil for 10 puts AAC at 6 mil. add to that champ game.. lets say 6 mil which is way below the P5. you have 6.5 per school per year..

Move 4 schools and double the above.

(07-30-2018 06:32 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 10:12 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the AAC's market value was truly, $8-$10-$15 million per year, wouldn't ESPN just pay the Big 12/SEC/ACC to take 3-4 schools (UCF, USF, Houston, Cincinnati) for a marginal increase in revenue distribution, in order to drive the value of the conference down in order to keep cheap content (ala 2012)? It doesn't make sense to pay such a substantial increase in yearly payouts when you can just take the value at the top and slide it into the P5 for a marginal increase, keeping the value of the product down and cost affordable.

Well lets add thing up, 2 teams to b12....50 mil per year...4 100 mil.
50 mil divided by 12 AAC schools is 4.1 mil, assuming the rest of AAC schools are worth 2 mil,..20 mil for 10 puts AAC at 6 mil. add to that champ game.. lets say 6 mil which is way below the P5. you have 6.5 per school per year..

Move 4 schools and double the above.

Except your trying to replace about 25 games and you only own 50% of the Big12. For every team added ESPN would theoretically add 6 games of inventory. Actually, it’s 5 games because one game is reserved by each B12 team as a tier3 game they can sell separately. Since FOX owns half the B12 rights—ESPN only nets 2.5 games of inventory for every team added (or 5 for every pair of teams added). You’d have to put almost the entire AAC in the B12 to fill the broadcast windows the AAC fills. It’s going to cost a ton of money to convince the B12 to do that.

Way cheaper to buy a 25 game package from the AAC for 50 million. Not to even mention the fact that ESPN knew the AAC was going to cost more next time around when they torpedoed a 2016 Big12 expansion plan that sounds very much like what you are proposing.

I'm going to guess that ESPN wants to keep the AAC and will either elevate it or make it a true tweener. I'm also guessing that ESPN drops the bomb on the B12 and dosn't bid on them the next go round. Texas and Oklahoma are the only ones ESPN truly wants to keep. The AAC is in every state the B12 is in except for Iowa and W.Va. Both Texas and Oklahoma would find new homes overnight.

All hail the P4.

(07-26-2018 08:37 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 11:36 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I think each AAC school will get $4-5 million. That’s a reasonable and more realistic figure. Not P5 money but much better than your biggest competitor, the MWC. How much are Navy and Wichita State getting? Isn’t Navy on a separate tv deal?

Double is $4 million. That's the same as the Big East which has no football. So while every dollar helps, that's not that good a deal for them.

I think what you and some other people are missing is that these are just football numbers that I don't think would include the basketball side much if at all. With Memphis and UCONN on the way back to form that 6-9 mil figure can easily become 9-12mil and even that figure may not include the basketball and football championship games

AAC property has been a steal for ESPN. AAC has had 20 games with more 3 million viewers. I forgot how many over a million, but it's substantial. Several wins over the P5 on New Year Day Bowls. ESPN has time slots and needs inventory. AAC is in a very good position this go around and the conference is way more stable. AAC shouldn't accept less than $10MM per or go to market. We have a good relationship with ESPN and relative to the market we offer ESPN an attractive inventory cheaper than they can get elsewhere. AAC is well represented in the Eastern Time zone and there aren't that many deals out there anymore. AAC is in a position of strength this time around. The league and ESPN are good for one another.

(07-30-2018 06:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-30-2018 06:32 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 10:12 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the AAC's market value was truly, $8-$10-$15 million per year, wouldn't ESPN just pay the Big 12/SEC/ACC to take 3-4 schools (UCF, USF, Houston, Cincinnati) for a marginal increase in revenue distribution, in order to drive the value of the conference down in order to keep cheap content (ala 2012)? It doesn't make sense to pay such a substantial increase in yearly payouts when you can just take the value at the top and slide it into the P5 for a marginal increase, keeping the value of the product down and cost affordable.

Well lets add thing up, 2 teams to b12....50 mil per year...4 100 mil.
50 mil divided by 12 AAC schools is 4.1 mil, assuming the rest of AAC schools are worth 2 mil,..20 mil for 10 puts AAC at 6 mil. add to that champ game.. lets say 6 mil which is way below the P5. you have 6.5 per school per year..

Move 4 schools and double the above.

Except your trying to replace about 25 games and you only own 50% of the Big12. For every team added ESPN would theoretically add 6 games of inventory. Actually, it’s 5 games because one game is reserved by each B12 team as a tier3 game they can sell separately. Since FOX owns half the B12 rights—ESPN only nets 2.5 games of inventory for every team added (or 5 for every pair of teams added). You’d have to put almost the entire AAC in the B12 to fill the broadcast windows the AAC fills. It’s going to cost a ton of money to convince the B12 to do that.

Way cheaper to buy a 25 game package from the AAC for 50 million. Not to even mention the fact that ESPN knew the AAC was going to cost more next time around when they torpedoed a 2016 Big12 expansion plan that sounds very much like what you are proposing.

I am with you, I don't see the B12 or anyone raiding the AAC short term. That is what I was trying to show, I used conservative figures and it still made sense to keep AAC as is any pay the extra money.

(07-26-2018 06:43 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A perfect scenario would be one where NBC offered a deal that put a game a week on OTA NBC and two games on weeks when there is no Notre Dame home game.

The rest of the package could be sublicensed for some Friday night ESPN slots as well as aired on NBC Sports.

I'm still of the opinion that bringing in a foursome of western schools like Boise St, San Diego St, AFA, and BYU or landing AFA and Army could help their tv value tremendously, particularly for any tv partner hoping to utilize the late night timeslot.

Why would the American sell everything to anyone? I would think that they would've already identified all perspective suitors and negotiate a tiered package on their own terms. ESPN doesn't need everything and neither would NBC or CBS. If NBC bids on a package the AAC will end up with 10-15miltotal with tiered packages and the selling of the championship games separately (remember even though the AAC has been down our basketball tournament has produced strong ratings). If NBC doesn't jump in the AAC will most likely top out at 8 mil per, but I really think that NBC is going to want a package that includes an extra Notre Dame game vs Navy along with a decently priced lineup to build around an entire Saturday featuring the fighting Irish.

(07-30-2018 10:07 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 06:43 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A perfect scenario would be one where NBC offered a deal that put a game a week on OTA NBC and two games on weeks when there is no Notre Dame home game.

The rest of the package could be sublicensed for some Friday night ESPN slots as well as aired on NBC Sports.

I'm still of the opinion that bringing in a foursome of western schools like Boise St, San Diego St, AFA, and BYU or landing AFA and Army could help their tv value tremendously, particularly for any tv partner hoping to utilize the late night timeslot.

Why would the American sell everything to anyone? I would think that they would've already identified all perspective suitors and negotiate a tiered package on their own terms. ESPN doesn't need everything and neither would NBC or CBS. If NBC bids on a package the AAC will end up with 10-15miltotal with tiered packages and the selling of the championship games separately (remember even though the AAC has been down our basketball tournament has produced strong ratings). If NBC doesn't jump in the AAC will most likely top out at 8 mil per, but I really think that NBC is going to want a package that includes an extra Notre Dame game vs Navy along with a decently priced lineup to build around an entire Saturday featuring the fighting Irish.

Tigersmoke, both me and you want NBC because of the chance to be on NBC OTA. But it’s what we want. Is it possible?
1. Does Notre Dame contract allow for AAC to be on NBC OTA? (SEC on CBS doesn’t)
2. Why would NBC pay a premium (more than ESPN) to put the top AAC game of the week on NBC OTA instead of NBC-SN?
3. Would NBC pay more than ESPIN to not have control of ALL AAC CONTENT?

(08-01-2018 05:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-30-2018 10:07 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 06:43 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A perfect scenario would be one where NBC offered a deal that put a game a week on OTA NBC and two games on weeks when there is no Notre Dame home game.

The rest of the package could be sublicensed for some Friday night ESPN slots as well as aired on NBC Sports.

I'm still of the opinion that bringing in a foursome of western schools like Boise St, San Diego St, AFA, and BYU or landing AFA and Army could help their tv value tremendously, particularly for any tv partner hoping to utilize the late night timeslot.

Why would the American sell everything to anyone? I would think that they would've already identified all perspective suitors and negotiate a tiered package on their own terms. ESPN doesn't need everything and neither would NBC or CBS. If NBC bids on a package the AAC will end up with 10-15miltotal with tiered packages and the selling of the championship games separately (remember even though the AAC has been down our basketball tournament has produced strong ratings). If NBC doesn't jump in the AAC will most likely top out at 8 mil per, but I really think that NBC is going to want a package that includes an extra Notre Dame game vs Navy along with a decently priced lineup to build around an entire Saturday featuring the fighting Irish.

Tigersmoke, both me and you want NBC because of the chance to be on NBC OTA. But it’s what we want. Is it possible?
1. Does Notre Dame contract allow for AAC to be on NBC OTA? (SEC on CBS doesn’t)
2. Why would NBC pay a premium (more than ESPN) to put the top AAC game of the week on NBC OTA instead of NBC-SN?
3. Would NBC pay more than ESPIN to not have control of ALL AAC CONTENT?

#1--Yes. NBC would not have bid on the AAC in 2013 if it didnt allow NBC the right to telecast those games.

#2--Its not a premium. Its jsut tje market cost. They have to bid enough to get the AAC to leave their preferred ESPN platform. Plus--NBC would be putting the vast majority of the AAC content on NBC-Sports---a platform widely acknowledged to be inferior to ESPN. So---considering we get about 5 ABC games a year, we'd need a reason to go to NBC and stick most of out content on a lesser network like NBC-Sports.

#3--NBC doesnt need all the content. Really---neither does ESPN. That said---ESPN is the only network that could USE all of it. Since only one network needs it all---that measn you are massively limiting your universe of bidders if you sell it all to anyone. The smaller you chop up the packages---the more bidders have a spot for it--not to mention the universe of bidders who can afford a smaller packages is larger than the universe of bidders who can afford to buy the whole thing. Additionally---if you only need 25 games---you are not going to bid much more for all the package than you would bid for the 25 game package you really need. Smaller packages are also good for the networks as its cheaper if they only have to buy what they really need. If NBC only pays 50 million for 25 games---what is ESPN's other option? They can either bid against CBS-Sports for the leftover 40 games---or they can bid against NBC to get a 25 game package that gives them equal selection rights (like ESPN and FOX have with the Big12 and Pac12) so some of the top games are in the ESPN package.

Frankly, its cheaper for ESPN. Why spend 70 million for all the content when you dont need all the content. You need 25 games and enough stuff for ESPN-Plus to lure AAC fans to buy ESPN-Plus. NBC doest need it all. They need maybe 20-25 games. They need a few top tier games for NBC and the rest is going to be used to shore up the NBC-Sports line up. CBS-Sports needs some cheap content and will likely bid on whats left. ESPN needs whats left for ESPN-Plus. They duke it out--or maybe they split it. Doesnt really matter--the leftover stuff is not going to command big money either way.

(08-01-2018 05:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-30-2018 10:07 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 06:43 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A perfect scenario would be one where NBC offered a deal that put a game a week on OTA NBC and two games on weeks when there is no Notre Dame home game.

The rest of the package could be sublicensed for some Friday night ESPN slots as well as aired on NBC Sports.

I'm still of the opinion that bringing in a foursome of western schools like Boise St, San Diego St, AFA, and BYU or landing AFA and Army could help their tv value tremendously, particularly for any tv partner hoping to utilize the late night timeslot.

Why would the American sell everything to anyone? I would think that they would've already identified all perspective suitors and negotiate a tiered package on their own terms. ESPN doesn't need everything and neither would NBC or CBS. If NBC bids on a package the AAC will end up with 10-15miltotal with tiered packages and the selling of the championship games separately (remember even though the AAC has been down our basketball tournament has produced strong ratings). If NBC doesn't jump in the AAC will most likely top out at 8 mil per, but I really think that NBC is going to want a package that includes an extra Notre Dame game vs Navy along with a decently priced lineup to build around an entire Saturday featuring the fighting Irish.

Tigersmoke, both me and you want NBC because of the chance to be on NBC OTA. But it’s what we want. Is it possible?
1. Does Notre Dame contract allow for AAC to be on NBC OTA? (SEC on CBS doesn’t)
2. Why would NBC pay a premium (more than ESPN) to put the top AAC game of the week on NBC OTA instead of NBC-SN?
3. Would NBC pay more than ESPIN to not have control of ALL AAC CONTENT?

You've said this before.
And yet, I watch Navy host ND every other year on CBS over-the-air. I think this year our warmup act is some St John's River game in Jax (where we played ND on CBS over-the-air in '16).
I think it's possible you're just wrong here.

So probably best not to take your inherent wrongness as the starting point for any discussion of any other deal...maybe?

(08-01-2018 06:33 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 05:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-30-2018 10:07 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 06:43 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A perfect scenario would be one where NBC offered a deal that put a game a week on OTA NBC and two games on weeks when there is no Notre Dame home game.

The rest of the package could be sublicensed for some Friday night ESPN slots as well as aired on NBC Sports.

I'm still of the opinion that bringing in a foursome of western schools like Boise St, San Diego St, AFA, and BYU or landing AFA and Army could help their tv value tremendously, particularly for any tv partner hoping to utilize the late night timeslot.

Why would the American sell everything to anyone? I would think that they would've already identified all perspective suitors and negotiate a tiered package on their own terms. ESPN doesn't need everything and neither would NBC or CBS. If NBC bids on a package the AAC will end up with 10-15miltotal with tiered packages and the selling of the championship games separately (remember even though the AAC has been down our basketball tournament has produced strong ratings). If NBC doesn't jump in the AAC will most likely top out at 8 mil per, but I really think that NBC is going to want a package that includes an extra Notre Dame game vs Navy along with a decently priced lineup to build around an entire Saturday featuring the fighting Irish.

Tigersmoke, both me and you want NBC because of the chance to be on NBC OTA. But it’s what we want. Is it possible?
1. Does Notre Dame contract allow for AAC to be on NBC OTA? (SEC on CBS doesn’t)
2. Why would NBC pay a premium (more than ESPN) to put the top AAC game of the week on NBC OTA instead of NBC-SN?
3. Would NBC pay more than ESPIN to not have control of ALL AAC CONTENT?

You've said this before.
And yet, I watch Navy host ND every other year on CBS over-the-air. I think this year our warmup act is some St John's River game in Jax (where we played ND on CBS over-the-air in '16).
I think it's possible you're just wrong here.

So probably best not to take your inherent wrongness as the starting point for any discussion of any other deal...maybe?

Bottom line is that none of us knows what is going to happen. The rubber will likely hit the road when ESPN's exclusive negotiating window opens six months from now.

Until then, we're all just spinning and opinionating.

I hope the AAC gets as much money as they possibly can.

It's a young league, with good teams throughout, playing entertaining football.

Just like chili gets better as it sits in the fridge over night, and the flavors mature together, this league will too, as rivalries grow, and track records of getting kids to the next level continue. And ... as fanbases get used to the new rivalries within it. Growing fanbases is as important as anything else. Entertaining football helps that.

(08-01-2018 06:33 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 05:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-30-2018 10:07 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 06:43 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A perfect scenario would be one where NBC offered a deal that put a game a week on OTA NBC and two games on weeks when there is no Notre Dame home game.

The rest of the package could be sublicensed for some Friday night ESPN slots as well as aired on NBC Sports.

I'm still of the opinion that bringing in a foursome of western schools like Boise St, San Diego St, AFA, and BYU or landing AFA and Army could help their tv value tremendously, particularly for any tv partner hoping to utilize the late night timeslot.

Why would the American sell everything to anyone? I would think that they would've already identified all perspective suitors and negotiate a tiered package on their own terms. ESPN doesn't need everything and neither would NBC or CBS. If NBC bids on a package the AAC will end up with 10-15miltotal with tiered packages and the selling of the championship games separately (remember even though the AAC has been down our basketball tournament has produced strong ratings). If NBC doesn't jump in the AAC will most likely top out at 8 mil per, but I really think that NBC is going to want a package that includes an extra Notre Dame game vs Navy along with a decently priced lineup to build around an entire Saturday featuring the fighting Irish.

Tigersmoke, both me and you want NBC because of the chance to be on NBC OTA. But it’s what we want. Is it possible?
1. Does Notre Dame contract allow for AAC to be on NBC OTA? (SEC on CBS doesn’t)
2. Why would NBC pay a premium (more than ESPN) to put the top AAC game of the week on NBC OTA instead of NBC-SN?
3. Would NBC pay more than ESPIN to not have control of ALL AAC CONTENT?

You've said this before.
And yet, I watch Navy host ND every other year on CBS over-the-air. I think this year our warmup act is some St John's River game in Jax (where we played ND on CBS over-the-air in '16).
I think it's possible you're just wrong here.

So probably best not to take your inherent wrongness as the starting point for any discussion of any other deal...maybe?

Heck--the Notre Dame agreement doesnt even put every ND game on NBC OTA. Some of their games are on NBC-Sports.

(08-01-2018 07:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:33 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 05:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-30-2018 10:07 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 06:43 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A perfect scenario would be one where NBC offered a deal that put a game a week on OTA NBC and two games on weeks when there is no Notre Dame home game.

The rest of the package could be sublicensed for some Friday night ESPN slots as well as aired on NBC Sports.

I'm still of the opinion that bringing in a foursome of western schools like Boise St, San Diego St, AFA, and BYU or landing AFA and Army could help their tv value tremendously, particularly for any tv partner hoping to utilize the late night timeslot.

Why would the American sell everything to anyone? I would think that they would've already identified all perspective suitors and negotiate a tiered package on their own terms. ESPN doesn't need everything and neither would NBC or CBS. If NBC bids on a package the AAC will end up with 10-15miltotal with tiered packages and the selling of the championship games separately (remember even though the AAC has been down our basketball tournament has produced strong ratings). If NBC doesn't jump in the AAC will most likely top out at 8 mil per, but I really think that NBC is going to want a package that includes an extra Notre Dame game vs Navy along with a decently priced lineup to build around an entire Saturday featuring the fighting Irish.

Tigersmoke, both me and you want NBC because of the chance to be on NBC OTA. But it’s what we want. Is it possible?
1. Does Notre Dame contract allow for AAC to be on NBC OTA? (SEC on CBS doesn’t)
2. Why would NBC pay a premium (more than ESPN) to put the top AAC game of the week on NBC OTA instead of NBC-SN?
3. Would NBC pay more than ESPIN to not have control of ALL AAC CONTENT?

You've said this before.
And yet, I watch Navy host ND every other year on CBS over-the-air. I think this year our warmup act is some St John's River game in Jax (where we played ND on CBS over-the-air in '16).
I think it's possible you're just wrong here.

So probably best not to take your inherent wrongness as the starting point for any discussion of any other deal...maybe?

Heck--the Notre Dame agreement doesnt even put every ND game on NBC OTA. Some of their games are on NBC-Sports.

My point was that Billy Bobby has now asserted more than once that the SEC deal doesn't allow CBS to show any other college football games on CBS.
Demonstrably not correct.