(07-22-2018 01:07 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  When the AAC gets about 15m per school per year in its next TV contract

This is where you lost me.

(07-22-2018 04:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the AAC gets rid of Tulane and Tulsa? Then they will get the the contract. As it is, both teams have very lousy ratings on college football. Wyoming, San Jose State and UNLV still gets better tv ratings than those 2.

ODU, UMass. Southern Mississippi, Dayton and VCU all seem to be front runners for the AAC's expansion candidates. Saint Louis seems to be looking at a Big Least invite.

2017 ratings
Tulsa had conference games of 70k, 225k, 251k, 545k, 683k
Tulane had one rated conf game: 284k

Wyoming had 82k, 159k, 414k, 455k
UNLV had 106k. 344k. 359k, 525k (last one BYU@UNLV)
SJSU had 83k

Edge to TULSANE

(07-22-2018 05:04 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 04:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the AAC gets rid of Tulane and Tulsa? Then they will get the the contract. As it is, both teams have very lousy ratings on college football. Wyoming, San Jose State and UNLV still gets better tv ratings than those 2.

ODU, UMass. Southern Mississippi, Dayton and VCU all seem to be front runners for the AAC's expansion candidates. Saint Louis seems to be looking at a Big Least invite.

2017 ratings
Tulsa had conference games of 70k, 225k, 251k, 545k, 683k
Tulane had one rated conf game: 284k

Wyoming had 82k, 159k, 414k, 455k
UNLV had 106k. 344k. 359k, 525k (last one BYU@UNLV)
SJSU had 83k

Edge to TULSANE

So a school located in New Orleans in a populous state, outdraws the state with the smallest population. Way to go, congrats.


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Ah, another scheme from American Athletic fans to somehow fill your deficiencies by conning some MWC schools to fly across country to play a bunch of schools in the Southeast.

I thought you guys were saying all is good, you are the 6th power conference. What went wrong?

(07-22-2018 04:58 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 01:07 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  When the AAC gets about 15m per school per year in its next TV contract

This is where you lost me.

Iam a believer

...this is going to be fun. I can't wait for the next contract. As a Tulane alum, I'm going to enjoy the drama at this point. It's just a trolling item, like academic smack and attendance number analysis.

(07-22-2018 05:41 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Ah, another scheme from a single American Athletic fan to somehow fill your deficiencies by conning some MWC schools to fly across country to play a bunch of schools in the Southeast.

I thought you guys were saying all is good, you are the 6th power conference. What went wrong?

FIFY

If the AAC separates there is no reason to go from G4 to 5. G4 works perfect for their own playoff. 4 champs 2 games,

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No way is the AAC getting 15 mil per team, they will be very lucky to get 10. This is what the delusion of P6 creates.
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Right on. Little Mike will be sweating this one out.

15 million, easy...

If anything, FBS should drop a non-power conference (or at least a conference worth of teams that don't fit the FBS profile, struggle financially to keep up, or should simply be elsewhere.) Then, reorganize the non-power conferences.

I'd respectfully "relegate" to FCS:

Power Conferences - none
AAC - none
MWC - San Jose St
CUSA - none
MAC - Ball St, Eastern Michigan, Bowling Green St, Akron, Kent St
SBC - Texas St, UL Monroe
Independents - New Mexico St, Liberty, Massachusetts

That leaves us with 119 FBS schools.

Assuming the power conferences stay the same and Notre Dame, BYU, and Army remain independent:

AAC - stays at 12
MWC - adds UTEP
MAC - down to 7, draws in Marshall, Old Dominion, Charlotte, Western Kentucky, and Middle Tennessee St for 12.
SBC - adds the remainder of CUSA

AAC
West: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Navy
East: Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut

MWC
West: Hawaii, San Diego St, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV, Boise St
Mountain: Utah St, Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force, New Mexico, UTEP

MAC
West: Northern Illinois, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Toledo, Miami OH, Ohio
East: Middle Tennessee St, Western Kentucky, Marshall, Charlotte, Old Dominion, Buffalo

SBC
West: UTSA, Rice, North Texas, Arkansas St, Louisiana Tech, UL Lafayette, Southern Miss, UAB
East: Troy, South Alabama, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian St

So what happens when AAC gets a much smaller pay day than the dreamers on this board think they will get


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We don't need any more conferences or teams in FBS. I could see one less conference with an eventual merger of remaining B12 (if/when Tx and Ok, leave) and AAC.

(07-22-2018 02:06 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 01:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  We are probably looking at status quo for another 20 years with the A5/G5 alignment.

Then a decision will be made to reorganize D1 which will reshape the entire division.

Truthfully, in 20 years, who knows if our brand of football will be as popular, and in 20 years, we don't know if there will end up being a minor league system put in place for the NFL or not. A lot can happen in 20 years time.

CTE could (and should) change how we play the game in the future. No game is worth someones life. Big hits aren't what makes it fun anymore, not now knowing what it does to these guys.

(07-22-2018 04:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 04:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the AAC gets rid of Tulane and Tulsa? Then they will get the the contract. As it is, both teams have very lousy ratings on college football. Wyoming, San Jose State and UNLV still gets better tv ratings than those 2.

ODU, UMass. Southern Mississippi, Dayton and VCU all seem to be front runners for the AAC's expansion candidates. Saint Louis seems to be looking at a Big Least invite.

Big East #1 target is UConn.

They are waiting out their AAC membership (aka exit fees).

The AAC's next TV contract for all sports should be much more lucrative than what UConn would make as a Big East Olympic sports member with independent FBS football (especially if the next AAC TV contract allows UConn to control its Tier 3 rights). Any serious talk of UConn to the Big East should be put to rest as it looks like that ship is about to sail due to $$$.

(07-22-2018 03:38 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 02:06 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 01:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  We are probably looking at status quo for another 20 years with the A5/G5 alignment.

Then a decision will be made to reorganize D1 which will reshape the entire division.

Truthfully, in 20 years, who knows if our brand of football will be as popular, and in 20 years, we don't know if there will end up being a minor league system put in place for the NFL or not. A lot can happen in 20 years time.

Note I said A5/G5 alignment.

That's because if there is another round of realignment within FBS I believe there will continue to be albeit larger A5 and albeit smaller G5.

A5: 14-16 teams
G5: 10-12 teams

Example

B12 (Col St, Houston, Memphis, UC)-Now 14 teams
AAC (So Miss, Dayton, St. Louis)-Now at 10 teams
MWC (UTEP)-Now at 12 teams
CUSA-Lost UTEP, SoMiss so now at 12.

While the AAC is going to take a hit, the other G5s not so much.

The SBC doesn't even get touched and stays at 10. It if did lose someone it could add NMSU FB-Only and suffer no impact.

This is the most likely outcome.


If there is another conference, it would be CUSA West splitting off, if it can pull an auto-bid from a defunct conference.

(07-23-2018 09:53 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  So what happens when AAC gets a much smaller pay day than the dreamers on this board think they will get


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AAC will get a significant raise. Since this TV deal was signed, AAC has won 3 NY6 bowls, 1 men's BB NC, and 3 women's BB NC's, not to mention having some of the highest rated CFB games on TV, blowing away the other "group" conferences in that regard (sorry, but true), and blowing away many so called power conference tv ratings.

What were the ratings on the UCF/USF game again last year again?

How much a raise is TBD. I don't think it will be 15M, but 10M is a very good possibility.

I can agree that the G5 needs a 6th league but it's not the one the OP is thinking of. The NCAA needs to let C-USA East and West split, grow to 10 members each by adding SBC, Indy and D2 schools and then let the SBC rebuild into a 10 member league. In the end, maybe 4 FCS schools would need to come up.

(07-23-2018 11:53 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 04:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 04:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the AAC gets rid of Tulane and Tulsa? Then they will get the the contract. As it is, both teams have very lousy ratings on college football. Wyoming, San Jose State and UNLV still gets better tv ratings than those 2.

ODU, UMass. Southern Mississippi, Dayton and VCU all seem to be front runners for the AAC's expansion candidates. Saint Louis seems to be looking at a Big Least invite.

Big East #1 target is UConn.

They are waiting out their AAC membership (aka exit fees).

The AAC's next TV contract for all sports should be much more lucrative than what UConn would make as a Big East Olympic sports member with independent FBS football (especially if the next AAC TV contract allows UConn to control its Tier 3 rights). Any serious talk of UConn to the Big East should be put to rest as it looks like that ship is about to sail due to $$$.

I think there is another opportunity for UConn: Put your hoops in the Big East and keep everything else, including football, in the AAC (or if you prefer, put everything else in the Big East and keep football in the AAC).

The AAC would bluff and bluster about not allowing that, but the AAC already has hybrid arrangements with Wichita State and Navy, so there is precedent for it, and also despite the hurt pride, the AAC would also realize it is stronger with UConn football than without it. People around here like to dump on UConn football as worthless because of the poor recent seasons on the field, but truth is, to media networks UConn football is just about the most valuable football the AAC has - a state flagship in the enormous lucrative northeast corridor.

But if UConn yourself does not think that is feasible, then I agree, it makes more sense to remain totally in the AAC then to put hoops in the Big East and go Indy in football. Indy in football is a disaster waiting to happen.

Heck, even though as a Georgetown fan I'd love for UConn to rejoin the Big East, I think it makes more sense for UConn to remain completely in the AAC rather than go Indy in football even if the new AAC media deal is much more disappointing than anyone thinks it will be.

(07-23-2018 05:07 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I can agree that the G5 needs a 6th league but it's not the one the OP is thinking of. The NCAA needs to let C-USA East and West split, grow to 10 members each by adding SBC, Indy and D2 schools and then let the SBC rebuild into a 10 member league. In the end, maybe 4 FCS schools would need to come up.

Who in D2 do you see who is ready to go straight up to CUSA?