(07-24-2018 10:24 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  There does not need to be another G5 conference. There needs to be one less. There are too many teams in the FBS. Some of them need to move down to the FCS or drop football.

Some P5 programs are already moving towards scheduling tougher P5 OOC games and then buying an extra home win over an FCS team, creating fewer bodybag games for G5 programs that rely on them. Programs that can afford to raise player stipends will do that as often as needed to remain competitive in recruiting. Programs will continue to improve facilities. All of this cost money. There are simply some G5 programs that are going to get squeezed out. The G5 programs that are not already adapting to this new reality are setting them programs up for a possible exit out of the FBS. It may take 10 or 15 years, but it is coming. Financial strains are already being reported within some G5 budgets.

Well if realignment had been "orderly" G5 would be smaller.

UTSA, Texas State, ODU, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian State probably don't get invitations to join CUSA and Sun Belt. If Boise State and SDSU hadn't gone to the Big East for a short vacation, MWC might very well stuck at 10 and San Jose State, Utah State, Idaho and NMSU would have been in a pickle.

(07-24-2018 03:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 10:24 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  There does not need to be another G5 conference. There needs to be one less. There are too many teams in the FBS. Some of them need to move down to the FCS or drop football.

Some P5 programs are already moving towards scheduling tougher P5 OOC games and then buying an extra home win over an FCS team, creating fewer bodybag games for G5 programs that rely on them. Programs that can afford to raise player stipends will do that as often as needed to remain competitive in recruiting. Programs will continue to improve facilities. All of this cost money. There are simply some G5 programs that are going to get squeezed out. The G5 programs that are not already adapting to this new reality are setting them programs up for a possible exit out of the FBS. It may take 10 or 15 years, but it is coming. Financial strains are already being reported within some G5 budgets.

Well if realignment had been "orderly" G5 would be smaller.

UTSA, Texas State, ODU, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian State probably don't get invitations to join CUSA and Sun Belt. If Boise State and SDSU hadn't gone to the Big East for a short vacation, MWC might very well stuck at 10 and San Jose State, Utah State, Idaho and NMSU would have been in a pickle.

Note - UTSA and Texas State's first FBS season was in the WAC. Under your scenario, the WAC still has 6 FBS teams:

UTSA
Texas State
SJSU
USU
Idaho
NMSU

Could those six have gotten a Montana/MSU or another pair to move to FBS and get to a viable 8?

(07-24-2018 04:07 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 03:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 10:24 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  There does not need to be another G5 conference. There needs to be one less. There are too many teams in the FBS. Some of them need to move down to the FCS or drop football.

Some P5 programs are already moving towards scheduling tougher P5 OOC games and then buying an extra home win over an FCS team, creating fewer bodybag games for G5 programs that rely on them. Programs that can afford to raise player stipends will do that as often as needed to remain competitive in recruiting. Programs will continue to improve facilities. All of this cost money. There are simply some G5 programs that are going to get squeezed out. The G5 programs that are not already adapting to this new reality are setting them programs up for a possible exit out of the FBS. It may take 10 or 15 years, but it is coming. Financial strains are already being reported within some G5 budgets.

Well if realignment had been "orderly" G5 would be smaller.

UTSA, Texas State, ODU, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian State probably don't get invitations to join CUSA and Sun Belt. If Boise State and SDSU hadn't gone to the Big East for a short vacation, MWC might very well stuck at 10 and San Jose State, Utah State, Idaho and NMSU would have been in a pickle.

Note - UTSA and Texas State's first FBS season was in the WAC. Under your scenario, the WAC still has 6 FBS teams:

UTSA
Texas State
SJSU
USU
Idaho
NMSU

Could those six have gotten a Montana/MSU or another pair to move to FBS and get to a viable 8?

No because they had repeatedly turned them down before.

(07-24-2018 04:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 04:07 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 03:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 10:24 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  There does not need to be another G5 conference. There needs to be one less. There are too many teams in the FBS. Some of them need to move down to the FCS or drop football.

Some P5 programs are already moving towards scheduling tougher P5 OOC games and then buying an extra home win over an FCS team, creating fewer bodybag games for G5 programs that rely on them. Programs that can afford to raise player stipends will do that as often as needed to remain competitive in recruiting. Programs will continue to improve facilities. All of this cost money. There are simply some G5 programs that are going to get squeezed out. The G5 programs that are not already adapting to this new reality are setting them programs up for a possible exit out of the FBS. It may take 10 or 15 years, but it is coming. Financial strains are already being reported within some G5 budgets.

Well if realignment had been "orderly" G5 would be smaller.

UTSA, Texas State, ODU, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian State probably don't get invitations to join CUSA and Sun Belt. If Boise State and SDSU hadn't gone to the Big East for a short vacation, MWC might very well stuck at 10 and San Jose State, Utah State, Idaho and NMSU would have been in a pickle.

Note - UTSA and Texas State's first FBS season was in the WAC. Under your scenario, the WAC still has 6 FBS teams:

UTSA
Texas State
SJSU
USU
Idaho
NMSU

Could those six have gotten a Montana/MSU or another pair to move to FBS and get to a viable 8?

No because they had repeatedly turned them down before.

That's why I qualified it with or another pair.

(07-24-2018 04:07 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 03:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 10:24 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  There does not need to be another G5 conference. There needs to be one less. There are too many teams in the FBS. Some of them need to move down to the FCS or drop football.

Some P5 programs are already moving towards scheduling tougher P5 OOC games and then buying an extra home win over an FCS team, creating fewer bodybag games for G5 programs that rely on them. Programs that can afford to raise player stipends will do that as often as needed to remain competitive in recruiting. Programs will continue to improve facilities. All of this cost money. There are simply some G5 programs that are going to get squeezed out. The G5 programs that are not already adapting to this new reality are setting them programs up for a possible exit out of the FBS. It may take 10 or 15 years, but it is coming. Financial strains are already being reported within some G5 budgets.

Well if realignment had been "orderly" G5 would be smaller.

UTSA, Texas State, ODU, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian State probably don't get invitations to join CUSA and Sun Belt. If Boise State and SDSU hadn't gone to the Big East for a short vacation, MWC might very well stuck at 10 and San Jose State, Utah State, Idaho and NMSU would have been in a pickle.

Note - UTSA and Texas State's first FBS season was in the WAC. Under your scenario, the WAC still has 6 FBS teams:

UTSA
Texas State
SJSU
USU
Idaho
NMSU

Could those six have gotten a Montana/MSU or another pair to move to FBS and get to a viable 8?

The WAC might have obtained a waiver of the "minimum" rule and continued with 6 FBS programs.

The NCAA has waived or ignored other FBS-related rules for conferences. On several occasions the NCAA waived or ignored the rule requiring all teams in a football division to play each other in order for the conference to have a CCG. The MAC was in violation of that rule when they had 13 football teams, so was CUSA during UAB's "sabbatical" from FBS football.

(07-24-2018 05:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 04:07 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 03:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 10:24 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  There does not need to be another G5 conference. There needs to be one less. There are too many teams in the FBS. Some of them need to move down to the FCS or drop football.

Some P5 programs are already moving towards scheduling tougher P5 OOC games and then buying an extra home win over an FCS team, creating fewer bodybag games for G5 programs that rely on them. Programs that can afford to raise player stipends will do that as often as needed to remain competitive in recruiting. Programs will continue to improve facilities. All of this cost money. There are simply some G5 programs that are going to get squeezed out. The G5 programs that are not already adapting to this new reality are setting them programs up for a possible exit out of the FBS. It may take 10 or 15 years, but it is coming. Financial strains are already being reported within some G5 budgets.

Well if realignment had been "orderly" G5 would be smaller.

UTSA, Texas State, ODU, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian State probably don't get invitations to join CUSA and Sun Belt. If Boise State and SDSU hadn't gone to the Big East for a short vacation, MWC might very well stuck at 10 and San Jose State, Utah State, Idaho and NMSU would have been in a pickle.

Note - UTSA and Texas State's first FBS season was in the WAC. Under your scenario, the WAC still has 6 FBS teams:

UTSA
Texas State
SJSU
USU
Idaho
NMSU

Could those six have gotten a Montana/MSU or another pair to move to FBS and get to a viable 8?

The WAC might have obtained a waiver of the "minimum" rule and continued with 6 FBS programs.

The NCAA has waived or ignored other FBS-related rules for conferences. On several occasions the NCAA waived or ignored the rule requiring all teams in a football division to play each other in order for the conference to have a CCG. The MAC was in violation of that rule when they had 13 football teams, so was CUSA during UAB's "sabbatical" from FBS football.

Plus Liberty would have signed on right then as a football affiliate, and probably provided travel subsidies.

(07-24-2018 05:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 04:07 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 03:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 10:24 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  There does not need to be another G5 conference. There needs to be one less. There are too many teams in the FBS. Some of them need to move down to the FCS or drop football.

Some P5 programs are already moving towards scheduling tougher P5 OOC games and then buying an extra home win over an FCS team, creating fewer bodybag games for G5 programs that rely on them. Programs that can afford to raise player stipends will do that as often as needed to remain competitive in recruiting. Programs will continue to improve facilities. All of this cost money. There are simply some G5 programs that are going to get squeezed out. The G5 programs that are not already adapting to this new reality are setting them programs up for a possible exit out of the FBS. It may take 10 or 15 years, but it is coming. Financial strains are already being reported within some G5 budgets.

Well if realignment had been "orderly" G5 would be smaller.

UTSA, Texas State, ODU, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian State probably don't get invitations to join CUSA and Sun Belt. If Boise State and SDSU hadn't gone to the Big East for a short vacation, MWC might very well stuck at 10 and San Jose State, Utah State, Idaho and NMSU would have been in a pickle.

Note - UTSA and Texas State's first FBS season was in the WAC. Under your scenario, the WAC still has 6 FBS teams:

UTSA
Texas State
SJSU
USU
Idaho
NMSU

Could those six have gotten a Montana/MSU or another pair to move to FBS and get to a viable 8?

The WAC might have obtained a waiver of the "minimum" rule and continued with 6 FBS programs.

The NCAA has waived or ignored other FBS-related rules for conferences. On several occasions the NCAA waived or ignored the rule requiring all teams in a football division to play each other in order for the conference to have a CCG. The MAC was in violation of that rule when they had 13 football teams, so was CUSA during UAB's "sabbatical" from FBS football.

Without digging up an old manual, I think in the CCG the rule contained a clause permitting the granting of waivers on an annual basis. The 8 member rule only a two year grace and don't recall what it says about waivers. The school FBS membership criteria rule permits one non-complying season on a rolling 10 year basis and specifically bars waivers.

The 8 full member rule was bad idea. Having 8 members to be an FBS league not so bad, but requiring at least 8 full members of the league probably made realignment messier.

WAC might have found some takers had they been able to stay in their league or a more regional league for sports other than football. Louisiana Monroe would still be Southland in other sports most likely but for the 8 full rule.

(07-23-2018 09:48 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If anything, FBS should drop a non-power conference (or at least a conference worth of teams that don't fit the FBS profile, struggle financially to keep up, or should simply be elsewhere.) Then, reorganize the non-power conferences.

I'd respectfully "relegate" to FCS:

Power Conferences - none
AAC - none
MWC - San Jose St
CUSA - none
MAC - Ball St, Eastern Michigan, Bowling Green St, Akron, Kent St
SBC - Texas St, UL Monroe
Independents - New Mexico St, Liberty, Massachusetts

That leaves us with 119 FBS schools.

Assuming the power conferences stay the same and Notre Dame, BYU, and Army remain independent:

AAC - stays at 12
MWC - adds UTEP
MAC - down to 7, draws in Marshall, Old Dominion, Charlotte, Western Kentucky, and Middle Tennessee St for 12.
SBC - adds the remainder of CUSA

AAC
West: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Navy
East: Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut

MWC
West: Hawaii, San Diego St, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV, Boise St
Mountain: Utah St, Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force, New Mexico, UTEP

MAC
West: Northern Illinois, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Toledo, Miami OH, Ohio
East: Middle Tennessee St, Western Kentucky, Marshall, Charlotte, Old Dominion, Buffalo

SBC
West: UTSA, Rice, North Texas, Arkansas St, Louisiana Tech, UL Lafayette, Southern Miss, UAB
East: Troy, South Alabama, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian St

We get sent to FCS based on what? Our record?

(07-24-2018 06:40 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 09:48 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If anything, FBS should drop a non-power conference (or at least a conference worth of teams that don't fit the FBS profile, struggle financially to keep up, or should simply be elsewhere.) Then, reorganize the non-power conferences.

I'd respectfully "relegate" to FCS:

Power Conferences - none
AAC - none
MWC - San Jose St
CUSA - none
MAC - Ball St, Eastern Michigan, Bowling Green St, Akron, Kent St
SBC - Texas St, UL Monroe
Independents - New Mexico St, Liberty, Massachusetts

That leaves us with 119 FBS schools.

Assuming the power conferences stay the same and Notre Dame, BYU, and Army remain independent:

AAC - stays at 12
MWC - adds UTEP
MAC - down to 7, draws in Marshall, Old Dominion, Charlotte, Western Kentucky, and Middle Tennessee St for 12.
SBC - adds the remainder of CUSA

AAC
West: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Navy
East: Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut

MWC
West: Hawaii, San Diego St, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV, Boise St
Mountain: Utah St, Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force, New Mexico, UTEP

MAC
West: Northern Illinois, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Toledo, Miami OH, Ohio
East: Middle Tennessee St, Western Kentucky, Marshall, Charlotte, Old Dominion, Buffalo

SBC
West: UTSA, Rice, North Texas, Arkansas St, Louisiana Tech, UL Lafayette, Southern Miss, UAB
East: Troy, South Alabama, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian St

We get sent to FCS based on what? Our record?

Personally nothing against Texas St but they are arguably the 12th most important FBS program in Texas which is over-saturated. The talk about more Texas schools is unreasonable.

(07-24-2018 06:29 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 05:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 04:07 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 03:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 10:24 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  There does not need to be another G5 conference. There needs to be one less. There are too many teams in the FBS. Some of them need to move down to the FCS or drop football.

Some P5 programs are already moving towards scheduling tougher P5 OOC games and then buying an extra home win over an FCS team, creating fewer bodybag games for G5 programs that rely on them. Programs that can afford to raise player stipends will do that as often as needed to remain competitive in recruiting. Programs will continue to improve facilities. All of this cost money. There are simply some G5 programs that are going to get squeezed out. The G5 programs that are not already adapting to this new reality are setting them programs up for a possible exit out of the FBS. It may take 10 or 15 years, but it is coming. Financial strains are already being reported within some G5 budgets.

Well if realignment had been "orderly" G5 would be smaller.

UTSA, Texas State, ODU, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian State probably don't get invitations to join CUSA and Sun Belt. If Boise State and SDSU hadn't gone to the Big East for a short vacation, MWC might very well stuck at 10 and San Jose State, Utah State, Idaho and NMSU would have been in a pickle.

Note - UTSA and Texas State's first FBS season was in the WAC. Under your scenario, the WAC still has 6 FBS teams:

UTSA
Texas State
SJSU
USU
Idaho
NMSU

Could those six have gotten a Montana/MSU or another pair to move to FBS and get to a viable 8?

The WAC might have obtained a waiver of the "minimum" rule and continued with 6 FBS programs.

The NCAA has waived or ignored other FBS-related rules for conferences. On several occasions the NCAA waived or ignored the rule requiring all teams in a football division to play each other in order for the conference to have a CCG. The MAC was in violation of that rule when they had 13 football teams, so was CUSA during UAB's "sabbatical" from FBS football.

Without digging up an old manual, I think in the CCG the rule contained a clause permitting the granting of waivers on an annual basis. The 8 member rule only a two year grace and don't recall what it says about waivers. The school FBS membership criteria rule permits one non-complying season on a rolling 10 year basis and specifically bars waivers.

The 8 full member rule was bad idea. Having 8 members to be an FBS league not so bad, but requiring at least 8 full members of the league probably made realignment messier.

WAC might have found some takers had they been able to stay in their league or a more regional league for sports other than football. Louisiana Monroe would still be Southland in other sports most likely but for the 8 full rule.

The WAC would be in jeopardy regardless because the Montanas still wouldn't have move up and Texas St, LA Tech and UTSA and UTA would have still moved to CUSA/Sunbelt.

(07-24-2018 07:20 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 06:40 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 09:48 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If anything, FBS should drop a non-power conference (or at least a conference worth of teams that don't fit the FBS profile, struggle financially to keep up, or should simply be elsewhere.) Then, reorganize the non-power conferences.

I'd respectfully "relegate" to FCS:

Power Conferences - none
AAC - none
MWC - San Jose St
CUSA - none
MAC - Ball St, Eastern Michigan, Bowling Green St, Akron, Kent St
SBC - Texas St, UL Monroe
Independents - New Mexico St, Liberty, Massachusetts

That leaves us with 119 FBS schools.

Assuming the power conferences stay the same and Notre Dame, BYU, and Army remain independent:

AAC - stays at 12
MWC - adds UTEP
MAC - down to 7, draws in Marshall, Old Dominion, Charlotte, Western Kentucky, and Middle Tennessee St for 12.
SBC - adds the remainder of CUSA

AAC
West: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Navy
East: Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut

MWC
West: Hawaii, San Diego St, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV, Boise St
Mountain: Utah St, Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force, New Mexico, UTEP

MAC
West: Northern Illinois, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Toledo, Miami OH, Ohio
East: Middle Tennessee St, Western Kentucky, Marshall, Charlotte, Old Dominion, Buffalo

SBC
West: UTSA, Rice, North Texas, Arkansas St, Louisiana Tech, UL Lafayette, Southern Miss, UAB
East: Troy, South Alabama, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian St

We get sent to FCS based on what? Our record?

Personally nothing against Texas St but they are arguably the 12th most important FBS program in Texas which is over-saturated. The talk about more Texas schools is unreasonable.

???, Texas can have as many football programs as we want, Texas st is a really big school and in and around very good recruiting areas, Texas st is a prime example of an up and coming football institution that has huge potential, certainly more potential to become big time college football than any schools in Idaho

I was born, raised, and live in Texas. I know all about the school.

(07-24-2018 07:56 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 07:20 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 06:40 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 09:48 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If anything, FBS should drop a non-power conference (or at least a conference worth of teams that don't fit the FBS profile, struggle financially to keep up, or should simply be elsewhere.) Then, reorganize the non-power conferences.

I'd respectfully "relegate" to FCS:

Power Conferences - none
AAC - none
MWC - San Jose St
CUSA - none
MAC - Ball St, Eastern Michigan, Bowling Green St, Akron, Kent St
SBC - Texas St, UL Monroe
Independents - New Mexico St, Liberty, Massachusetts

That leaves us with 119 FBS schools.

Assuming the power conferences stay the same and Notre Dame, BYU, and Army remain independent:

AAC - stays at 12
MWC - adds UTEP
MAC - down to 7, draws in Marshall, Old Dominion, Charlotte, Western Kentucky, and Middle Tennessee St for 12.
SBC - adds the remainder of CUSA

AAC
West: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Navy
East: Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut

MWC
West: Hawaii, San Diego St, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV, Boise St
Mountain: Utah St, Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force, New Mexico, UTEP

MAC
West: Northern Illinois, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Toledo, Miami OH, Ohio
East: Middle Tennessee St, Western Kentucky, Marshall, Charlotte, Old Dominion, Buffalo

SBC
West: UTSA, Rice, North Texas, Arkansas St, Louisiana Tech, UL Lafayette, Southern Miss, UAB
East: Troy, South Alabama, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian St

We get sent to FCS based on what? Our record?

Personally nothing against Texas St but they are arguably the 12th most important FBS program in Texas which is over-saturated. The talk about more Texas schools is unreasonable.

???, Texas can have as many football programs as we want, Texas st is a really big school and in and around very good recruiting areas, Texas st is a prime example of an up and coming football institution that has huge potential, certainly more potential to become big time college football than any schools in Idaho

Definitely have more potential than quite a few schools in Texas....

(07-24-2018 08:04 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I was born, raised, and live in Texas. I know all about the school.

yeah, go ahead, I’d like to see you tell these Texas schools that want FBS that they are “ unreasonable “
It sounds like you think there needs to be a “ cap” on how many football programs there should be in college ? , good luck with that !
This is the reason I started this thread is to address the need to accommodate the growing number of fcs schools wanting to move up

(07-24-2018 08:40 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 07:56 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 07:20 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 06:40 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 09:48 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If anything, FBS should drop a non-power conference (or at least a conference worth of teams that don't fit the FBS profile, struggle financially to keep up, or should simply be elsewhere.) Then, reorganize the non-power conferences.

I'd respectfully "relegate" to FCS:

Power Conferences - none
AAC - none
MWC - San Jose St
CUSA - none
MAC - Ball St, Eastern Michigan, Bowling Green St, Akron, Kent St
SBC - Texas St, UL Monroe
Independents - New Mexico St, Liberty, Massachusetts

That leaves us with 119 FBS schools.

Assuming the power conferences stay the same and Notre Dame, BYU, and Army remain independent:

AAC - stays at 12
MWC - adds UTEP
MAC - down to 7, draws in Marshall, Old Dominion, Charlotte, Western Kentucky, and Middle Tennessee St for 12.
SBC - adds the remainder of CUSA

AAC
West: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Navy
East: Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut

MWC
West: Hawaii, San Diego St, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV, Boise St
Mountain: Utah St, Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force, New Mexico, UTEP

MAC
West: Northern Illinois, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Toledo, Miami OH, Ohio
East: Middle Tennessee St, Western Kentucky, Marshall, Charlotte, Old Dominion, Buffalo

SBC
West: UTSA, Rice, North Texas, Arkansas St, Louisiana Tech, UL Lafayette, Southern Miss, UAB
East: Troy, South Alabama, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian St

We get sent to FCS based on what? Our record?

Personally nothing against Texas St but they are arguably the 12th most important FBS program in Texas which is over-saturated. The talk about more Texas schools is unreasonable.

???, Texas can have as many football programs as we want, Texas st is a really big school and in and around very good recruiting areas, Texas st is a prime example of an up and coming football institution that has huge potential, certainly more potential to become big time college football than any schools in Idaho

Definitely have more potential than quite a few schools in Texas....

I would agree with you, but Texas st is really close to Austin and you will have to figure out how to deal with UT at the capital, being a Houston cougar fan I know all about this problem, good luck, your gonna need it

(07-24-2018 09:06 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 08:40 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 07:56 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 07:20 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 06:40 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  We get sent to FCS based on what? Our record?

Personally nothing against Texas St but they are arguably the 12th most important FBS program in Texas which is over-saturated. The talk about more Texas schools is unreasonable.

???, Texas can have as many football programs as we want, Texas st is a really big school and in and around very good recruiting areas, Texas st is a prime example of an up and coming football institution that has huge potential, certainly more potential to become big time college football than any schools in Idaho

Definitely have more potential than quite a few schools in Texas....

I would agree with you, but Texas st is really close to Austin and you will have to figure out how to deal with UT at the capital, being a Houston cougar fan I know all about this problem, good luck, your gonna need it

Obviously we'll never overtake UT or any Texas P5 as a fanbase, but I do think we can carve out a niche better than some schools like Rice, UNT, and SMU and on par with UTSA. I have no idea what UTEPs fanbase is like since they're practically in another state, but I've never met a UTEP fan before. I'd say based on our location alone we are more relevant to most of the state than them, but I'm sure they have a nice local fanbase.

(07-24-2018 09:12 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 09:06 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 08:40 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 07:56 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 07:20 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Personally nothing against Texas St but they are arguably the 12th most important FBS program in Texas which is over-saturated. The talk about more Texas schools is unreasonable.

???, Texas can have as many football programs as we want, Texas st is a really big school and in and around very good recruiting areas, Texas st is a prime example of an up and coming football institution that has huge potential, certainly more potential to become big time college football than any schools in Idaho

Definitely have more potential than quite a few schools in Texas....

I would agree with you, but Texas st is really close to Austin and you will have to figure out how to deal with UT at the capital, being a Houston cougar fan I know all about this problem, good luck, your gonna need it

Obviously we'll never overtake UT or any Texas P5 as a fanbase, but I do think we can carve out a niche better than some schools like Rice, UNT, and SMU and on par with UTSA. I have no idea what UTEPs fanbase is like since they're practically in another state, but I've never met a UTEP fan before. I'd say based on our location alone we are more relevant to most of the state than them, but I'm sure they have a nice local fanbase.

aim high, look what Miami did...may the force be with you young bobcat

(07-24-2018 07:20 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 06:40 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 09:48 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If anything, FBS should drop a non-power conference (or at least a conference worth of teams that don't fit the FBS profile, struggle financially to keep up, or should simply be elsewhere.) Then, reorganize the non-power conferences.

I'd respectfully "relegate" to FCS:

Power Conferences - none
AAC - none
MWC - San Jose St
CUSA - none
MAC - Ball St, Eastern Michigan, Bowling Green St, Akron, Kent St
SBC - Texas St, UL Monroe
Independents - New Mexico St, Liberty, Massachusetts

That leaves us with 119 FBS schools.

Assuming the power conferences stay the same and Notre Dame, BYU, and Army remain independent:

AAC - stays at 12
MWC - adds UTEP
MAC - down to 7, draws in Marshall, Old Dominion, Charlotte, Western Kentucky, and Middle Tennessee St for 12.
SBC - adds the remainder of CUSA

AAC
West: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Navy
East: Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut

MWC
West: Hawaii, San Diego St, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV, Boise St
Mountain: Utah St, Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force, New Mexico, UTEP

MAC
West: Northern Illinois, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Toledo, Miami OH, Ohio
East: Middle Tennessee St, Western Kentucky, Marshall, Charlotte, Old Dominion, Buffalo

SBC
West: UTSA, Rice, North Texas, Arkansas St, Louisiana Tech, UL Lafayette, Southern Miss, UAB
East: Troy, South Alabama, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Coastal Carolina, Appalachian St

We get sent to FCS based on what? Our record?

Personally nothing against Texas St but they are arguably the 12th most important FBS program in Texas which is over-saturated. The talk about more Texas schools is unreasonable.

I love experts so sure...sure...

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(07-24-2018 08:04 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I was born, raised, and live in Texas. I know all about the school.

Can we relegate posters?

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(07-24-2018 09:06 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 08:40 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 07:56 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 07:20 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 06:40 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  We get sent to FCS based on what? Our record?

Personally nothing against Texas St but they are arguably the 12th most important FBS program in Texas which is over-saturated. The talk about more Texas schools is unreasonable.

???, Texas can have as many football programs as we want, Texas st is a really big school and in and around very good recruiting areas, Texas st is a prime example of an up and coming football institution that has huge potential, certainly more potential to become big time college football than any schools in Idaho

Definitely have more potential than quite a few schools in Texas....

I would agree with you, but Texas st is really close to Austin and you will have to figure out how to deal with UT at the capital, being a Houston cougar fan I know all about this problem, good luck, your gonna need it

Really? UT owns the state whether 50 miles or 500 miles away.

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