Quote:MEXICO CITY – The security advisers for President-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said Friday that amnesty legislation aimed at lessening violence will be developed with the input of crime victims and presented to Mexico's congress.

Alfonso Durazo, proposed as the new administration's public security minister, said the amnesty law would be part of a "Mexican recipe for peace." Amnesty would not be given at the discretion of the president, he said. Congress will have the final word.

"The objective of this law is to bring youth who for various reasons of economic survival, extortion, pressure from organized crime are (working) in the illegal into the legal," Durazo said. There could be hundreds of thousands of youth working as lookouts for organized crime, he said. "We have to give them a way out."

Lopez Obrador's opponents attacked him throughout the campaign about the amnesty idea, but he won a landslide election victory July 1 and will take office Dec. 1. He met with the security members of his proposed Cabinet on Friday.

Olga Sanchez, the proposed interior secretary, said the president-elect had made clear that Mexico's runaway violence will not be addressed with more violence. She also mentioned the possibility of reducing some criminal penalties without providing more detail.

Mexico is on pace to have more killings in 2018 than in any other year in at least the past two decades. More than 200,000 people have been slain since the country began waging a war on drug cartels when President Felipe Calderon took office in late 2006.

Lorreta Ortiz, Lopez Obrador's human rights adviser, said the new administration will immediately begin holding citizen forums and knocking on doors around the country to gather input that can be used to develop amnesty legislation.

"At the outset, no one who has committed a violent act, a single violent act, will receive amnesty," Ortiz said. Those who could be eligible would be children and women recruited by organized crime to work as lookouts or mules, rural farmers who grow drug crops and people imprisoned for political crimes based on ideology.

Durazo said the administration will also work to improve the capabilities of police so the military can be removed from the policing role it has been serving for years in some parts of the country.

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Mexico has failed as a state and before all is said and done we will have to intervene militarily to protect ourselves.

Venez 2.0. Mexico was actually a superpower when the USA defeated them in the Mexican American War. His platform was the Cartels own the country so be it. Not worried about Venez, but I certainly see a real future military occupation with Mexico, they are out of control.

When you have a corrupt government, military and police force doesn't amnesty already exist to a large extent?

(07-06-2018 09:13 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:MEXICO CITY – The security advisers for President-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said Friday that amnesty legislation aimed at lessening violence will be developed with the input of crime victims and presented to Mexico's congress.

Alfonso Durazo, proposed as the new administration's public security minister, said the amnesty law would be part of a "Mexican recipe for peace." Amnesty would not be given at the discretion of the president, he said. Congress will have the final word.

"The objective of this law is to bring youth who for various reasons of economic survival, extortion, pressure from organized crime are (working) in the illegal into the legal," Durazo said. There could be hundreds of thousands of youth working as lookouts for organized crime, he said. "We have to give them a way out."

Lopez Obrador's opponents attacked him throughout the campaign about the amnesty idea, but he won a landslide election victory July 1 and will take office Dec. 1. He met with the security members of his proposed Cabinet on Friday.

Olga Sanchez, the proposed interior secretary, said the president-elect had made clear that Mexico's runaway violence will not be addressed with more violence. She also mentioned the possibility of reducing some criminal penalties without providing more detail.

Mexico is on pace to have more killings in 2018 than in any other year in at least the past two decades. More than 200,000 people have been slain since the country began waging a war on drug cartels when President Felipe Calderon took office in late 2006.

Lorreta Ortiz, Lopez Obrador's human rights adviser, said the new administration will immediately begin holding citizen forums and knocking on doors around the country to gather input that can be used to develop amnesty legislation.

"At the outset, no one who has committed a violent act, a single violent act, will receive amnesty," Ortiz said. Those who could be eligible would be children and women recruited by organized crime to work as lookouts or mules, rural farmers who grow drug crops and people imprisoned for political crimes based on ideology.

Durazo said the administration will also work to improve the capabilities of police so the military can be removed from the policing role it has been serving for years in some parts of the country.

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In a related proposal, Lopez Obrador indicated that he was working on a plan that would create the first "Purge" modeled after the popular American movie series that depicts a nation where a single annual night of state condoned lawlessness keeps the population under control for the other 364 days a year.

Was gonna say better to just go to an annual purge but Ac beat me to it.

(07-06-2018 10:50 PM)banker Wrote:  When you have a corrupt government, military and police force doesn't amnesty already exist to a large extent?

And I don't see how this is any sort of "way out."

They tick off the cartels and don't have a job.

(07-07-2018 08:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 10:50 PM)banker Wrote:  When you have a corrupt government, military and police force doesn't amnesty already exist to a large extent?

And I don't see how this is any sort of "way out."

They tick off the cartels and don't have a job.

In significant portions of the country it isn't because the cartels control them, not the Mexican government.

(07-07-2018 08:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 10:50 PM)banker Wrote:  When you have a corrupt government, military and police force doesn't amnesty already exist to a large extent?

And I don't see how this is any sort of "way out."

They tick off the cartels and don't live.

FIFY

(07-06-2018 09:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Mexico has failed as a state and before all is said and done we will have to intervene militarily to protect ourselves.

It’s difficult to envision a scenario in which the American people would support that. Under really extreme conditions, I could see maybe a brief occupation of some border towns. But a modern day Pershing Expedition on a large scale — no, I just can’t see that.

(07-07-2018 08:51 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 09:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Mexico has failed as a state and before all is said and done we will have to intervene militarily to protect ourselves.

It’s difficult to envision a scenario in which the American people would support that. Under really extreme conditions, I could see maybe a brief occupation of some border towns. But a modern day Pershing Expedition on a large scale — no, I just can’t see that.

When the bloodshed and anarchy spill further across the border, or when the cartels decide to take the money from international terrorists and help them infiltrate the country they will.

(07-07-2018 05:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-07-2018 08:51 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 09:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Mexico has failed as a state and before all is said and done we will have to intervene militarily to protect ourselves.

It’s difficult to envision a scenario in which the American people would support that. Under really extreme conditions, I could see maybe a brief occupation of some border towns. But a modern day Pershing Expedition on a large scale — no, I just can’t see that.

When the bloodshed and anarchy spill further across the border, or when the cartels decide to take the money from international terrorists and help them infiltrate the country they will.

Its times like these, which have turned into a daily bases since 2006, that I'm of the opinion the US should've held onto all gained territory after the Mexican American War. Would've been a smaller border to control. At the time the US didn't like Catholics and people with brown skin color.

(07-06-2018 10:50 PM)banker Wrote:  When you have a corrupt government, military and police force doesn't amnesty already exist to a large extent?

This is the main reason why people are flocking to our country. To get away from all this violence, corruption and all that. These organized gangs and drug cartel are connected with each other that over run the Central American countries. Mexicans came here for the jobs, the other people from these other countries are fleeing for their lives.

(07-08-2018 01:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 10:50 PM)banker Wrote:  When you have a corrupt government, military and police force doesn't amnesty already exist to a large extent?

This is the main reason why people are flocking to our country. To get away from all this violence, corruption and all that. These organized gangs and drug cartel are connected with each other that over run the Central American countries. Mexicans came here for the jobs, the other people from these other countries are fleeing for their lives.

So you are admitting that they are from shiteholes?


And their plight is not our problem.

(07-08-2018 01:39 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-08-2018 01:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 10:50 PM)banker Wrote:  When you have a corrupt government, military and police force doesn't amnesty already exist to a large extent?

This is the main reason why people are flocking to our country. To get away from all this violence, corruption and all that. These organized gangs and drug cartel are connected with each other that over run the Central American countries. Mexicans came here for the jobs, the other people from these other countries are fleeing for their lives.

So you are admitting that they are from shiteholes?


And their plight is not our problem.

I do not call those people and their culture shitholes. It is these bad guys like the gangs and, drug cartels and corrupt government officials are shitheads.

(07-08-2018 01:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-08-2018 01:39 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-08-2018 01:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 10:50 PM)banker Wrote:  When you have a corrupt government, military and police force doesn't amnesty already exist to a large extent?

This is the main reason why people are flocking to our country. To get away from all this violence, corruption and all that. These organized gangs and drug cartel are connected with each other that over run the Central American countries. Mexicans came here for the jobs, the other people from these other countries are fleeing for their lives.

So you are admitting that they are from shiteholes?


And their plight is not our problem.

I do not call those people and their culture shitholes. It is these bad guys like the gangs and, drug cartels and corrupt government officials are shitheads.

Didn't say you did. I said the countries are shiteholes. That's an apt description for a place where the corrupt government has allowed criminality and general unlawfulness to overrun vast swaths of a country.

(07-07-2018 05:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-07-2018 08:51 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-06-2018 09:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Mexico has failed as a state and before all is said and done we will have to intervene militarily to protect ourselves.

It’s difficult to envision a scenario in which the American people would support that. Under really extreme conditions, I could see maybe a brief occupation of some border towns. But a modern day Pershing Expedition on a large scale — no, I just can’t see that.

When the bloodshed and anarchy spill further across the border, or when the cartels decide to take the money from international terrorists and help them infiltrate the country they will.

there are the dumb, the ignorant, and the smart.....any of the three that doesn't understand why a secure border is important are just downright stupid.....