(06-19-2018 03:58 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:46 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:38 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:31 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Still wouldn't have a problem if the parents hadn't been criminal border jumpers.

Regardless of what the parents do in crossing the border, and what their reasoning is, it's immoral to separate kids into detention facilities like that. That's a viewpoint that all but the extreme right have.

I'm a centrist....explain how applying the law as structured is immoral.....

what's immoral is to pack your family in the back of a suicide truck........

there isn't a soul from the right that has posted anything other than the sentiment of "change it" and/or "build it"

people like ewe ignore that.......not my fk'n problem cochise.....

The law is immoral, but moreso than that, the Trump policy to enforce it without exception is the main issue. Selective enforcement has been the method going back several presidencies. To end it, he says that all Congress has to do is approve comprehensive immigration reform, as if that's not been debated for decades.

The bold part is the reason this is still a problem today. The part in blue is what a President with Balls tells congress. Stop debating it and pass comprehensive immigration reform.

Now aren't you glad we finally have a President with balls big enough to take the hit and just maybe we might get something passed through congress .

Or maybe you like for Children to be held like this for the next few decades? As long as it done quietly.

Anyone with a lick of sense should hope every President has the balls to stand up to Carree politicians that would never get this done.

(06-19-2018 04:25 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:58 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:46 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:38 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:31 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Still wouldn't have a problem if the parents hadn't been criminal border jumpers.

Regardless of what the parents do in crossing the border, and what their reasoning is, it's immoral to separate kids into detention facilities like that. That's a viewpoint that all but the extreme right have.

I'm a centrist....explain how applying the law as structured is immoral.....

what's immoral is to pack your family in the back of a suicide truck........

there isn't a soul from the right that has posted anything other than the sentiment of "change it" and/or "build it"

people like ewe ignore that.......not my fk'n problem cochise.....

The law is immoral, but moreso than that, the Trump policy to enforce it without exception is the main issue. Selective enforcement has been the method going back several presidencies. To end it, he says that all Congress has to do is approve comprehensive immigration reform, as if that's not been debated for decades.

The bold part is the reason this is still a problem today. The part in blue is what a President with Balls tells congress. Stop debating it and pass comprehensive immigration reform.

Now aren't you glad we finally have a President with balls big enough to take the hit and just maybe we might get something passed through congress .

Or maybe you like for Children to be held like this for the next few decades? As long as it done quietly.

Anyone with a lick of sense should hope every President has the balls to stand up to Carree politicians that would never get this done.

What I would hope for is a president who sees this as a serious human rights issue and pushes to take care of it immediately while simultaneously, and separately works on immigration reform.

To say that one can't be done without the other is false. To say that this policy needs to remain in place until comprehensive immigration reform is passed is using the kids as a bargaining chip.

(06-19-2018 04:36 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  To say that one can't be done without the other is false. To say that this policy needs to remain in place until comprehensive immigration reform is passed is using the kids as a bargaining chip.

The POTUS is at Capitol Hill as we speak to review proposals on the table...

(06-19-2018 04:43 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:36 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  To say that one can't be done without the other is false. To say that this policy needs to remain in place until comprehensive immigration reform is passed is using the kids as a bargaining chip.

The POTUS is at Capitol Hill as we speak to review proposals on the table...

Yep, saw that. Hopefully they can iron it out.

(06-19-2018 04:36 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:25 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:58 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:46 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:38 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  Regardless of what the parents do in crossing the border, and what their reasoning is, it's immoral to separate kids into detention facilities like that. That's a viewpoint that all but the extreme right have.

I'm a centrist....explain how applying the law as structured is immoral.....

what's immoral is to pack your family in the back of a suicide truck........

there isn't a soul from the right that has posted anything other than the sentiment of "change it" and/or "build it"

people like ewe ignore that.......not my fk'n problem cochise.....

The law is immoral, but moreso than that, the Trump policy to enforce it without exception is the main issue. Selective enforcement has been the method going back several presidencies. To end it, he says that all Congress has to do is approve comprehensive immigration reform, as if that's not been debated for decades.

The bold part is the reason this is still a problem today. The part in blue is what a President with Balls tells congress. Stop debating it and pass comprehensive immigration reform.

Now aren't you glad we finally have a President with balls big enough to take the hit and just maybe we might get something passed through congress .

Or maybe you like for Children to be held like this for the next few decades? As long as it done quietly.

Anyone with a lick of sense should hope every President has the balls to stand up to Carree politicians that would never get this done.

What I would hope for is a president who sees this as a serious human rights issue and pushes to take care of it immediately while simultaneously, and separately works on immigration reform.

To say that one can't be done without the other is false. To say that this policy needs to remain in place until comprehensive immigration reform is passed is using the kids as a bargaining chip.

Well according to you it hasn't been done and I will quote you " going back several presidencies"


Not a couple or a few (3) but several so at least 4 so we have Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama. So that would be going on 30 years now.

So if that's the case as I said you should be glad a President with Balls is now standing up to politicians. As for the part in blue ...

again you did not mind this for as long as it was going on ...quietly

Don't blame a President that stands up to Congress by the laws they formed. If they now don't like it all they have to do is get together and change.

They aren't doing that because like always they are playing politics. Well there's a difference this time. You dont have a politician in the White House.

Why aren't you happy a President is trying to make Congress do their job? Stop using the kids. If that was your main concern it would have been a problem many many years ago.

So, if Congress doesn't do anything about this immigration problems how can it be Trumps fault? You can thank those Demons in office that want to keep it as a dangling carrot for its ignorant voters. Those people don't care about other important things like the state of our economy only about potential future voters.

Tell Peloser and Schemer to get off their pulpit and DO something for these kids and pass a good immigration law and stop using them as pawns.

(06-19-2018 04:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Why aren't you happy a President is trying to make Congree do their job? Stop using the kids. If that was your main concern it would have been a problem many many years ago.

It's always been a terrible law, but up until recently it was selectively enforced. The majority of families were released while the parents were given a court date to apply for entry/asylum. The new policy says that every single person coming in will be charged with a misdemeanor, necessitating they go to jail while their children are held in a detention facility. Again, this has happened for quite a while in cases where the parents are charged with a misdemeanor, but up until recently, that has been a small percentage of what we're currently seeing.

Trump could fix that problem by suspending the new policy. Congress (and Trump) could fix the problem by passing a narrow bill to end the separation permanently. Saying that the policy will not end until Congress passes comprehensive immigration reform, and only then, is using the kids as a bargaining chip.

(06-19-2018 04:56 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Why aren't you happy a President is trying to make Congree do their job? Stop using the kids. If that was your main concern it would have been a problem many many years ago.

It's always been a terrible law, but up until recently it was selectively enforced. The majority of families were released while the parents were given a court date to apply for entry/asylum. The new policy says that every single person coming in will be charged with a misdemeanor, necessitating they go to jail while their children are held in a detention facility. Again, this has happened for quite a while in cases where the parents are charged with a misdemeanor, but up until recently, that has been a small percentage of what we're currently seeing.

Trump could fix that problem by suspending the new policy. Congress (and Trump) could fix the problem by passing a narrow bill to end the separation permanently. Saying that the policy will not end until Congress passes comprehensive immigration reform, and only then, is using the kids as a bargaining chip.

No! we did not elect the politicians of your ilk just for this reason.
Follow the law as written or change it.
Get you lazy corrupt asses to work.

(06-19-2018 04:56 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Why aren't you happy a President is trying to make Congree do their job? Stop using the kids. If that was your main concern it would have been a problem many many years ago.

It's always been a terrible law, but up until recently it was selectively enforced. The majority of families were released while the parents were given a court date to apply for entry/asylum. The new policy says that every single person coming in will be charged with a misdemeanor, necessitating they go to jail while their children are held in a detention facility. Again, this has happened for quite a while in cases where the parents are charged with a misdemeanor, but up until recently, that has been a small percentage of what we're currently seeing.

Trump could fix that problem by suspending the new policy. Congress (and Trump) could fix the problem by passing a narrow bill to end the separation permanently. Saying that the policy will not end until Congress passes comprehensive immigration reform, and only then, is using the kids as a bargaining chip.

If Congress wanted it fixed it would be done by now..its politicians playing politics, as usual. The left does not want to fix this problem because it would give the President a win. The Right just wants it to go away because they are scared.

Have you ever though that maybe these are bad parents for putting their kids in harms way? If these were American mothers we would put the kids in the custody of the state while they were being investigated.

Do you know how many kids are taken from their parents each and every day in America? Why not the outrage for those kids? BTW a lot of these "children" come on their own without a parent.

If you were not outraged while Obama was doing this...you have zero reason to be outraged about it today. You can bet the farm those kids are safer, being taken care of, and not as hungry as those parents put them through....

on their trip to breaking in to America

The rapes and hunger and the dangers were serious. Again maybe they are unfit parents

(06-19-2018 02:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 02:17 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 02:03 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Meanwhile, David Hogg and the rest of the peanut gallery are calling for boycotts for people who dare say what's going on at the border isn't Nazi atrocities.

So he's now an immigration activist in addition to gun control? Hogg's run for city council must be in jeopardy.

He's an American with the same rights as you. At least for now anyway.

And he's free to make an idiot of himself any time he wants. Much like some of the libs here.

(06-19-2018 05:08 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If Congress wanted it fixed it would be done by now..its politicians playing politics, as usual. The left does not want to fix this problem because it would give the President a win. The Right just wants it to go away because they are scared.

Which party controls the House, Senate, and Presidency?

Quote:Have you ever though that maybe these are bad parents for putting their kids in harms way? If these were American mothers we would put the kids in the custody of the state while they were being investigated.

If these were American mothers being separated from their kids, I'm sure the reaction would be different.

Quote:Do you know how many kids are taken from their parents each and every day in America? Why not the outrage for those kids? BTW a lot of these "children" come on their own without a parent.

Parents in the US are not separated from their children except in the case where the parent(s) are being charged with a felony, or the parents present an immediate danger to their children. Kids are not taken away from parents charged with a misdemeanor.

Quote:If you were not outraged while Obama was doing this...you have zero reason to be outraged about it today.

Again, this exact situation happened a small percentage of the time compared to what's currently happening. You're right in that the law should have always been a concern, but sometimes it takes going from a small problem to a massive problem to put it in the public eye.

Quote:You can bet the farm those kids are safer, being taken care of, and not as hungry as those parents put them through....The rapes and hunger and the dangers were serious. Again maybe they are unfit parents

Or maybe they were trying to escape violence, hunger, rapes, etc. I don't really care if the kids are at the best 'summer camp' ever if the only contact they can have with their parents is by phone or Skype video chat.

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1...1078214657

I BEG YOUR PARDON

(06-19-2018 05:16 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:08 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If Congress wanted it fixed it would be done by now..its politicians playing politics, as usual. The left does not want to fix this problem because it would give the President a win. The Right just wants it to go away because they are scared.

Which party controls the House, Senate, and Presidency?

Quote:1.Have you ever though that maybe these are bad parents for putting their kids in harms way? If these were American mothers we would put the kids in the custody of the state while they were being investigated.

If these were American mothers being separated from their kids, I'm sure the reaction would be different.

Quote:2.Do you know how many kids are taken from their parents each and every day in America? Why not the outrage for those kids? BTW a lot of these "children" come on their own without a parent.

Parents in the US are not separated from their children except in the case where the parent(s) are being charged with a felony, or the parents present an immediate danger to their children. Kids are not taken away from parents charged with a misdemeanor.

Quote:3.If you were not outraged while Obama was doing this...you have zero reason to be outraged about it today.

Again, this exact situation happened a small percentage of the time compared to what's currently happening. You're right in that the law should have always been a concern, but sometimes it takes going from a small problem to a massive problem to put it in the public eye.

Quote:4.You can bet the farm those kids are safer, being taken care of, and not as hungry as those parents put them through....The rapes and hunger and the dangers were serious. Again maybe they are unfit parents

Or maybe they were trying to escape violence, hunger, rapes, etc. I don't really care if the kids are at the best 'summer camp' ever if the only contact they can have with their parents is by phone or Skype video chat.

I put the numbers in there so we dont get confused

1. Again this has been going on for 30 years and that is by your own words. So no we dont get to use that as a argument.

2. US parents are separated every day in this country by just the word of a neighbor. Those kids are taken away screaming, crying, scared. Sometimes it's months before they are given back. Off the word of a stranger or neighbor, or teacher.

3. % dont matter the fact it happened and you did not care enough to be outrages tells it all. If it's truly about the kids....Once was too many

4. Off the top o my head I can't tell you the % of girls raped while trying to cross the border. I did read it and it was a very high number. Now those were not just 18 year olds, or 18+ years old. Or 16+ years old. Nope the numbers I read was 10 years old girls were being raped. A lot of these people could have stopped in Mexico if it was their country they were afraid of.

They didn't. And if you and I know of th harrows these people face trying to break into America. These parents did also. Yet they put those children through all of those. Now they are concerned?

You dot get the right to huff and puff and be selective on when its OK to be outraged. You are outraged when it happens once if its really about the kids.

(06-19-2018 05:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:16 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:08 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If Congress wanted it fixed it would be done by now..its politicians playing politics, as usual. The left does not want to fix this problem because it would give the President a win. The Right just wants it to go away because they are scared.

Which party controls the House, Senate, and Presidency?

Quote:1.Have you ever though that maybe these are bad parents for putting their kids in harms way? If these were American mothers we would put the kids in the custody of the state while they were being investigated.

If these were American mothers being separated from their kids, I'm sure the reaction would be different.

Quote:2.Do you know how many kids are taken from their parents each and every day in America? Why not the outrage for those kids? BTW a lot of these "children" come on their own without a parent.

Parents in the US are not separated from their children except in the case where the parent(s) are being charged with a felony, or the parents present an immediate danger to their children. Kids are not taken away from parents charged with a misdemeanor.

Quote:3.If you were not outraged while Obama was doing this...you have zero reason to be outraged about it today.

Again, this exact situation happened a small percentage of the time compared to what's currently happening. You're right in that the law should have always been a concern, but sometimes it takes going from a small problem to a massive problem to put it in the public eye.

Quote:4.You can bet the farm those kids are safer, being taken care of, and not as hungry as those parents put them through....The rapes and hunger and the dangers were serious. Again maybe they are unfit parents

Or maybe they were trying to escape violence, hunger, rapes, etc. I don't really care if the kids are at the best 'summer camp' ever if the only contact they can have with their parents is by phone or Skype video chat.

I put the numbers in there so we dont get confused

1. Again this has been going on for 30 years and that is by your own words. So no we dont get to use that as a argument.

I'm not sure how one is related to the other.

Quote:2. US parents are separated every day in this country by just the word of a neighbor. Those kids are taken away screaming, crying, scared. Sometimes it's months before they are given back. Off the word of a stranger or neighbor, or teacher.

Having dated a CPS investigator for several years, this is wildly inaccurate. The word of a stranger, neighbor, or teacher can begin an investigation, but it has little bearing on the final outcome. Removing a child is the last resort for CPS, and even when that does happen, they are placed with the first available qualified relative.

Quote:3. % dont matter the fact it happened and you did not care enough to be outrages tells it all. If it's truly about the kids....Once was too many

This is specious reasoning. You're basically saying that if something happens once, and someone doesn't know or notice, that they're prohibited from having an opinion on it when they do learn of it.

Quote:They didn't. And if you and I know of th harrows these people face trying to break into America. These parents did also. Yet they put those children through all of those. Now they are concerned?

You dot get the right to huff and puff and be selective on when its OK to be outraged. You are outraged when it happens once if its really about the kids.

Not really understanding where you're going with any of this.

(06-19-2018 04:25 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:58 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:46 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:38 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:31 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Still wouldn't have a problem if the parents hadn't been criminal border jumpers.

Regardless of what the parents do in crossing the border, and what their reasoning is, it's immoral to separate kids into detention facilities like that. That's a viewpoint that all but the extreme right have.

I'm a centrist....explain how applying the law as structured is immoral.....

what's immoral is to pack your family in the back of a suicide truck........

there isn't a soul from the right that has posted anything other than the sentiment of "change it" and/or "build it"

people like ewe ignore that.......not my fk'n problem cochise.....

The law is immoral, but moreso than that, the Trump policy to enforce it without exception is the main issue. Selective enforcement has been the method going back several presidencies. To end it, he says that all Congress has to do is approve comprehensive immigration reform, as if that's not been debated for decades.

The bold part is the reason this is still a problem today. The part in blue is what a President with Balls tells congress. Stop debating it and pass comprehensive immigration reform.

Now aren't you glad we finally have a President with balls big enough to take the hit and just maybe we might get something passed through congress .

Or maybe you like for Children to be held like this for the next few decades? As long as it done quietly.

Anyone with a lick of sense should hope every President has the balls to stand up to Carree politicians that would never get this done.

(06-19-2018 04:14 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:46 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:38 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:31 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Still wouldn't have a problem if the parents hadn't been criminal border jumpers.

Regardless of what the parents do in crossing the border, and what their reasoning is, it's immoral to separate kids into detention facilities like that. That's a viewpoint that all but the extreme right have.

I'm a centrist....

(06-19-2018 02:34 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  do you really think I give two shites about those illiterate fk's.......

the answer would be NO!!!! I do not!!!!

explain how those illegal illiterate fk's fall into the centrist category.....

I've posted many a posit on education/immigration reform over the years......

what does me not giving two fk's about illegals have anything to do with playing in the center.....

there's no question I'm a fiscal con......only a dipshite wouldn't be....

I'm on record we have to solve the current version and stop further invasion "stat"

you're confusing two entirely separate issues.....

regardless, if ta-ta ginger berry gifs make you feel superior, then go for it.....

(06-19-2018 03:38 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:31 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Still wouldn't have a problem if the parents hadn't been criminal border jumpers.

Regardless of what the parents do in crossing the border, and what their reasoning is, it's immoral to separate kids into detention facilities like that. That's a viewpoint that all but the extreme right have.

It was the far left judges that said you had to do that.

(06-19-2018 04:25 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:58 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:46 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:38 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:31 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Still wouldn't have a problem if the parents hadn't been criminal border jumpers.

Regardless of what the parents do in crossing the border, and what their reasoning is, it's immoral to separate kids into detention facilities like that. That's a viewpoint that all but the extreme right have.

I'm a centrist....explain how applying the law as structured is immoral.....

what's immoral is to pack your family in the back of a suicide truck........

there isn't a soul from the right that has posted anything other than the sentiment of "change it" and/or "build it"

people like ewe ignore that.......not my fk'n problem cochise.....

The law is immoral, but moreso than that, the Trump policy to enforce it without exception is the main issue. Selective enforcement has been the method going back several presidencies. To end it, he says that all Congress has to do is approve comprehensive immigration reform, as if that's not been debated for decades.

The bold part is the reason this is still a problem today. The part in blue is what a President with Balls tells congress. Stop debating it and pass comprehensive immigration reform.

Now aren't you glad we finally have a President with balls big enough to take the hit and just maybe we might get something passed through congress .

Or maybe you like for Children to be held like this for the next few decades? As long as it done quietly.

Anyone with a lick of sense should hope every President has the balls to stand up to Carree politicians that would never get this done.

W. did try to. It failed in Congress. Obama wanted only one thing and wasn't interested in the whole problem. So he proceeded to make the problem worse.

(06-19-2018 04:56 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Why aren't you happy a President is trying to make Congree do their job? Stop using the kids. If that was your main concern it would have been a problem many many years ago.

It's always been a terrible law, but up until recently it was selectively enforced. The majority of families were released while the parents were given a court date to apply for entry/asylum. The new policy says that every single person coming in will be charged with a misdemeanor, necessitating they go to jail while their children are held in a detention facility. Again, this has happened for quite a while in cases where the parents are charged with a misdemeanor, but up until recently, that has been a small percentage of what we're currently seeing.

Trump could fix that problem by suspending the new policy. Congress (and Trump) could fix the problem by passing a narrow bill to end the separation permanently. Saying that the policy will not end until Congress passes comprehensive immigration reform, and only then, is using the kids as a bargaining chip.

The reason for the problem IS the selective enforcement you are suggesting. They let the parents go and they never show up for court. People learn and more do the same thing.

We need to be expediting returns across the border, not doing catch and release.

(06-19-2018 05:16 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 05:08 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If Congress wanted it fixed it would be done by now..its politicians playing politics, as usual. The left does not want to fix this problem because it would give the President a win. The Right just wants it to go away because they are scared.

Which party controls the House, Senate, and Presidency?

Quote:Have you ever though that maybe these are bad parents for putting their kids in harms way? If these were American mothers we would put the kids in the custody of the state while they were being investigated.

If these were American mothers being separated from their kids, I'm sure the reaction would be different.

Quote:Do you know how many kids are taken from their parents each and every day in America? Why not the outrage for those kids? BTW a lot of these "children" come on their own without a parent.

Parents in the US are not separated from their children except in the case where the parent(s) are being charged with a felony, or the parents present an immediate danger to their children. Kids are not taken away from parents charged with a misdemeanor.

Quote:If you were not outraged while Obama was doing this...you have zero reason to be outraged about it today.

Again, this exact situation happened a small percentage of the time compared to what's currently happening. You're right in that the law should have always been a concern, but sometimes it takes going from a small problem to a massive problem to put it in the public eye.

Quote:You can bet the farm those kids are safer, being taken care of, and not as hungry as those parents put them through....The rapes and hunger and the dangers were serious. Again maybe they are unfit parents

Or maybe they were trying to escape violence, hunger, rapes, etc. I don't really care if the kids are at the best 'summer camp' ever if the only contact they can have with their parents is by phone or Skype video chat.

Nobody complains when criminal American mothers go to prison and get separated from their children.