(06-17-2018 09:57 AM)PT_american Wrote:  To me when ADs and the comish are coming out and saying it will be close to P5 you better at a minimum hit 10. I mean that alone still isnt close to P5 but certainly elevates the league big time. If the come back with 6 or 7 I think they will have disappointed based on them commenting like they have. Had they remained quiet and hit 6 or 7 people would have probably been like that is solid. Now they have raised the bar in my opinion. Just hope the come through.

I agree that double digits is the separation number. Not sure if we will get it. This year's TV ratings for the revenue sports, if they continue to increase, would provide an up to date data set.

(06-18-2018 09:20 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 07:40 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  I really don’t think our tv contract is going to impact whether we’re viewed by the national public and media as P6 or not. Most have no idea what we make currently and won’t know about our new TV deal either. It’s all about the brand level of our programs and we need to consistently win and win big.

The general public, of course, doesn’t pay the slightest bit of attention to the media contracts of any athletic conference. But the professional sports-media does pay attention to that.

There would be some... but I think you’re giving most too much credit. They’re going to judge the strength of the conference based on their perception of the teams/programs... not based on our TV contract.

(06-19-2018 05:46 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:20 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 07:40 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  I really don’t think our tv contract is going to impact whether we’re viewed by the national public and media as P6 or not. Most have no idea what we make currently and won’t know about our new TV deal either. It’s all about the brand level of our programs and we need to consistently win and win big.

The general public, of course, doesn’t pay the slightest bit of attention to the media contracts of any athletic conference. But the professional sports-media does pay attention to that.

There would be some... but I think you’re giving most too much credit. They’re going to judge the strength of the conference based on their perception of the teams/programs... not based on our TV contract.

The two work hand in hand. A strong media deal means closer to 'P5' money, which also means better exposure. It also means more favorable and positive media exposure.

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If we get over $12M a year, Aresco should be given a key to the city in the home of every American conference team. That would be a momentous achievement given where we were just six years ago.

Next year could be an absolutely epic year. If only Navy had won the American in 2016-that would have been a huge sellout for the conference.

(06-19-2018 01:27 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  If we get over $12M a year, Aresco should be given a key to the city in the home of every American conference team. That would be a momentous achievement given where we were just six years ago.

Next year could be an absolutely epic year. If only Navy had won the American in 2016-that would have been a huge sellout for the conference.

i think temple fans disagree

(06-19-2018 01:27 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  If we get over $12M a year, Aresco should be given a key to the city in the home of every American conference team. That would be a momentous achievement given where we were just six years ago.

Next year could be an absolutely epic year. If only Navy had won the American in 2016-that would have been a huge sellout for the conference.

$12mil shouldn’t even be in anyone’s heads. Think $6-$8mil. If more happens than that... celebrate. Even entertaining the concept of $12 is setting yourself up for disappointment...

(06-19-2018 01:53 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 01:27 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  If we get over $12M a year, Aresco should be given a key to the city in the home of every American conference team. That would be a momentous achievement given where we were just six years ago.

Next year could be an absolutely epic year. If only Navy had won the American in 2016-that would have been a huge sellout for the conference.

$12mil shouldn’t even be in anyone’s heads. Think $6-$8mil. If more happens than that... celebrate. Even entertaining the concept of $12 is setting yourself up for disappointment...

8-10- mil is what should be expected. But 5-7 mil is probably what we will get...

At this point, I would be disappointed with anything under $8M. You can blame that on Aresco, Rudd, and the Memphis and UCF ADs.

(06-19-2018 03:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  At this point, I would be disappointed with anything under $8M. You can blame that on Aresco, Rudd, and the Memphis and UCF ADs.

This.

(06-19-2018 03:47 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  At this point, I would be disappointed with anything under $8M. You can blame that on Aresco, Rudd, and the Memphis and UCF ADs.

This.

+1. Not to mention for UC, UConn and USF anything under $10M would be a reduction in revenue.

(06-19-2018 01:53 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 01:27 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  If we get over $12M a year, Aresco should be given a key to the city in the home of every American conference team. That would be a momentous achievement given where we were just six years ago.

Next year could be an absolutely epic year. If only Navy had won the American in 2016-that would have been a huge sellout for the conference.

$12mil shouldn’t even be in anyone’s heads. Think $6-$8mil. If more happens than that... celebrate. Even entertaining the concept of $12 is setting yourself up for disappointment...

What are you basing this on?

It's not viewership/ratings.

It's not indicators from other media deals.

So what's the basis of your evaluation?

(06-19-2018 04:41 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 01:53 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 01:27 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  If we get over $12M a year, Aresco should be given a key to the city in the home of every American conference team. That would be a momentous achievement given where we were just six years ago.

Next year could be an absolutely epic year. If only Navy had won the American in 2016-that would have been a huge sellout for the conference.

$12mil shouldn’t even be in anyone’s heads. Think $6-$8mil. If more happens than that... celebrate. Even entertaining the concept of $12 is setting yourself up for disappointment...

What are you basing this on?

It's not viewership/ratings.

It's not indicators from other media deals.

So what's the basis of your evaluation?

He's a Boise apologist.

(06-18-2018 08:33 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-17-2018 12:55 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(06-17-2018 12:32 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  12M to 18M

Ha, I wish, but t4he American is simply to young of a conference. If we can hit 10+ mil this go round and continue on the same trajectory that figure wouldn't be as impossible as it seems now on our 3rd Contract

Here are the facts...This is why the AAC is going to get paid.....

'15-'17 total games over 3 million viewers: AAC 21, mwc 3, MAC 3, BYU 4
'15-'17 total games over 2 million viewers: AAC 37, CUSA 6, MAC 9, mwc 11, SBC 2, BYU 6
'15-'17 total games over 1 million viewers: AAC 58, CUSA 23, MAC 21, mwc 31, SBC 3, BYU 13

'15-'17 non-bowl games over 3 million viewers: AAC 15, MAC 2, BYU 2
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 2 million viewers: AAC 25, CUSA 3, MAC 1, mwc 5, BYU 3
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 1 million viewers: AAC 39, CUSA 3, MAC 6, mwc 16, SBC 1, BYU 11,

'15-'17 conference controlled games over 3 million viewers: AAC 8, G4s 0, BYU 0
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 2 million viewers: AAC 14, mwc 1, BYU 2
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 1 million viewers: AAC 24, MAC 2, mwc 3, BYU 6

The AAC is looking for a total media payout of close to $12 million per year as per the Memphis AD who chairs the AAC Committee on Media. I think they get it... I also think in 2025 they get a tie in to a NY6 Bowl

Based on your analysis, it seems the AAC should command about 60% of the PAC media deal.

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(06-19-2018 04:41 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 01:53 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 01:27 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  If we get over $12M a year, Aresco should be given a key to the city in the home of every American conference team. That would be a momentous achievement given where we were just six years ago.

Next year could be an absolutely epic year. If only Navy had won the American in 2016-that would have been a huge sellout for the conference.

$12mil shouldn’t even be in anyone’s heads. Think $6-$8mil. If more happens than that... celebrate. Even entertaining the concept of $12 is setting yourself up for disappointment...

What are you basing this on?

It's not viewership/ratings.

It's not indicators from other media deals.

So what's the basis of your evaluation?

Supply and demand. Face value in a vacuum, ratings wise I think those could be fair numbers. But, the networks have a pretty good slate of games to show already and limited spots to show them/make $$$ off of them. There are some diminishing returns for the networks, know what I mean?

(06-19-2018 06:17 PM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:33 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-17-2018 12:55 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(06-17-2018 12:32 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  12M to 18M

Ha, I wish, but t4he American is simply to young of a conference. If we can hit 10+ mil this go round and continue on the same trajectory that figure wouldn't be as impossible as it seems now on our 3rd Contract

Here are the facts...This is why the AAC is going to get paid.....

'15-'17 total games over 3 million viewers: AAC 21, mwc 3, MAC 3, BYU 4
'15-'17 total games over 2 million viewers: AAC 37, CUSA 6, MAC 9, mwc 11, SBC 2, BYU 6
'15-'17 total games over 1 million viewers: AAC 58, CUSA 23, MAC 21, mwc 31, SBC 3, BYU 13

'15-'17 non-bowl games over 3 million viewers: AAC 15, MAC 2, BYU 2
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 2 million viewers: AAC 25, CUSA 3, MAC 1, mwc 5, BYU 3
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 1 million viewers: AAC 39, CUSA 3, MAC 6, mwc 16, SBC 1, BYU 11,

'15-'17 conference controlled games over 3 million viewers: AAC 8, G4s 0, BYU 0
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 2 million viewers: AAC 14, mwc 1, BYU 2
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 1 million viewers: AAC 24, MAC 2, mwc 3, BYU 6

The AAC is looking for a total media payout of close to $12 million per year as per the Memphis AD who chairs the AAC Committee on Media. I think they get it... I also think in 2025 they get a tie in to a NY6 Bowl

Based on your analysis, it seems the AAC should command about 60% of the PAC media deal.

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It is safe to say that we have gotten 30-40% of the viewers of the BigXII and PAC in recent years. Total, conference-controlled games, intra-conference games, all three of the above when averaged per game...you'll get a range.
But 30-40% is a safe declaration.

Also, for our resident Boise apologist...



UCONN Basketball is a bigger brand than the Boise Blue Turf.

(06-19-2018 06:26 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:41 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 01:53 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 01:27 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  If we get over $12M a year, Aresco should be given a key to the city in the home of every American conference team. That would be a momentous achievement given where we were just six years ago.

Next year could be an absolutely epic year. If only Navy had won the American in 2016-that would have been a huge sellout for the conference.

$12mil shouldn’t even be in anyone’s heads. Think $6-$8mil. If more happens than that... celebrate. Even entertaining the concept of $12 is setting yourself up for disappointment...

What are you basing this on?

It's not viewership/ratings.

It's not indicators from other media deals.

So what's the basis of your evaluation?

Supply and demand. Face value in a vacuum, ratings wise I think those could be fair numbers. But, the networks have a pretty good slate of games to show already and limited spots to show them/make $$$ off of them. There are some diminishing returns for the networks, know what I mean?

So your argument is, that's what you feel like will happen?


NBC seems to be making a spot and is in need of content.

CBS Sports already buys our product at a marked up price from ESPN and paid quite well for the navy product which didn't include the ND game. CBS likes our basketball content which has performed well.

ESPN so far has positioned itself to fill any holes left by the AAC, but doesn't get the same level of ratings from it's backfill and definitely would like to have third tier rights to use on ESPN+.

Fox is set and doesn't have any holes at the moment.

Every new deal has seen a multiple increase and one that is in line with their viewership. I doubt that will change in a climate where live content is so highly valued.

(06-19-2018 06:43 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Also, for our resident Boise apologist...



UCONN Basketball is a bigger brand than the Boise Blue Turf.

What is a “Boise apologist”? What about their program have I “apologized” for? lol

All I’ve ever said is that they’re a good program, and that adding them, IMO, would be the finishing touch to basically consolidate all of the good G5 football powers. They’re the biggest G5 football brand out there (no arguments about UCONN in b-ball)... and adding them would, IMO, be the kill shot to the other G4 conferences IMO... permanently separating us from them in terms of national perception.

There have been some good points about the finances. If say, we were slated to get $8mil/yr... would Boise State bring an additional $8mil/yr to our contract so we aren’t losing $ each by adding them? Probably not. But they do bring some value and I’d be willing to sacrifice a little $ if it meant killing off the other G4 conferences in the conversation... b/c I think that has value in itself. Plus, I think it would also almost assure the NY6 game for our conference which would contribute value from $$$ and exposure.

(06-20-2018 07:52 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 06:43 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Also, for our resident Boise apologist...



UCONN Basketball is a bigger brand than the Boise Blue Turf.

What is a “Boise apologist”? What about their program have I “apologized” for? lol

All I’ve ever said is that they’re a good program, and that adding them, IMO, would be the finishing touch to basically consolidate all of the good G5 football powers. They’re the biggest G5 football brand out there (no arguments about UCONN in b-ball)... and adding them would, IMO, be the kill shot to the other G4 conferences IMO... permanently separating us from them in terms of national perception.

There have been some good points about the finances. If say, we were slated to get $8mil/yr... would Boise State bring an additional $8mil/yr to our contract so we aren’t losing $ each by adding them? Probably not. But they do bring some value and I’d be willing to sacrifice a little $ if it meant killing off the other G4 conferences in the conversation... b/c I think that has value in itself. Plus, I think it would also almost assure the NY6 game for our conference which would contribute value from $$$ and exposure.

You are right, and at this point in time I think they would bite as the MW has not been real good recent years. The situation could change but I think now they would go if another went with them.


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We are fine at 12 n 12. We don't need Boise.

The AAC is going to leave the MWC in the dust on TV $$ and Boise will continue its slow slide.