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What is a P6 TV deal worth?
(06-17-2018 03:47 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 02:55 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  You guys are going to be seriously disappointed.


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We may be but our commish is being very confident and optimistic about our upcoming contract which is saying a lot compared to the MWC commish. You guys commish wasn't getting any good news about their future contract whereas ours is obviously recieving great feedback on ours. I'll follow Arescos' lead over yours for now07-coffee3


The MW commish is an idiot, so the bar for yours being better is low. Wichita wanted in the MW originally and Thompson turned them down, and AAC was quick to gain off that blunder. I just think Aresco tends to brag before anything is accomplished, which is not a good thing. If you guys get the big contract, I will be the first to congratulate for attaining P6, but not yet.


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RE: What is a P6 TV deal worth?
(06-17-2018 11:21 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  Double digits. Now that's probably $10m but still sets us up nice.

Triple digits could be nice - over $100 million in total between primary rights, second tier, Navy tier, streaming rights would be under double digit millions per school. but would still sound P6 to say that big number ,or "half a billion over five years," or such.

Will it be? I don't know, but that is just above the top edge of the frequently thrown around $6-8 million per school per year.
If our viewers are worth what UFC viewers are, then yup, we will.
Our viewership is 30-40% of BigXII or PAC12, so if we get 30-40% of their money, then yup we will.
Our viewership is 12-20 times that of CUSA/SunBelt, and that multiple of their reported $ would be.
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(06-17-2018 04:26 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 03:47 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 02:55 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  You guys are going to be seriously disappointed.


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We may be but our commish is being very confident and optimistic about our upcoming contract which is saying a lot compared to the MWC commish. You guys commish wasn't getting any good news about their future contract whereas ours is obviously recieving great feedback on ours. I'll follow Arescos' lead over yours for now07-coffee3


The MW commish is an idiot, so the bar for yours being better is low. Wichita wanted in the MW originally and Thompson turned them down, and AAC was quick to gain off that blunder. I just think Aresco tends to brag before anything is accomplished, which is not a good thing. If you guys get the big contract, I will be the first to congratulate for attaining P6, but not yet.


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Well Aresco worked in sports programming his entire career so he know's a sight bit more than anyone prognosticating about the outcome outside of the process. Especially message board trolls.
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(06-17-2018 09:14 AM)TWCoog Wrote:  UCF AD says the AAC will have a P6 level TV deal. What amount do you think that is?

Anything $6M+ per year, per all-sport school would be the 6th best TV deal -- outpacing the Big East.

I've always thought we'd end up in the $5-8M range. And the only way we get that much or more than is if the schools spend a bunch of money on campus TV production facilities/personnel (like the ACC and others have done).
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(06-17-2018 08:57 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 04:26 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 03:47 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 02:55 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  You guys are going to be seriously disappointed.


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We may be but our commish is being very confident and optimistic about our upcoming contract which is saying a lot compared to the MWC commish. You guys commish wasn't getting any good news about their future contract whereas ours is obviously recieving great feedback on ours. I'll follow Arescos' lead over yours for now07-coffee3


The MW commish is an idiot, so the bar for yours being better is low. Wichita wanted in the MW originally and Thompson turned them down, and AAC was quick to gain off that blunder. I just think Aresco tends to brag before anything is accomplished, which is not a good thing. If you guys get the big contract, I will be the first to congratulate for attaining P6, but not yet.


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Well Aresco worked in sports programming his entire career so he know's a sight bit more than anyone prognosticating about the outcome outside of the process. Especially message board trolls.

That's true. But Aresco also sounded very optimistic when the American was negotiating the original TV deal, so it's hard to tell.

Part of this is public posturing...making it clear to the networks through public statements what we believe the AAC is worth. The difference is, this time we have facts on our side. Our TV ratings, our success on the football field and basketball court, and our commitment to doing all the same things the Autonomy Conferences do (cost of attendance stipend, etc) all support our position that we should be paid much closer to what the other P6 conferences receive.
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RE: What is a P6 TV deal worth?
Well there are people who think we get 3to 4 mil per school, That would be G5 heavy...
There are many who think 5 to 8, that would solidly make us Wiener tweeners.
and there are those who think we make 8 to 12, Which make us P6 lights..

Will know this time next year..
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(06-18-2018 08:11 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Well there are people who think we get 3to 4 mil per school, That would be G5 heavy...
There are many who think 5 to 8, that would solidly make us Wiener tweeners.
and there are those who think we make 8 to 12, Which make us P6 lights..

Will know this time next year..

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(06-17-2018 12:55 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 12:32 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  12M to 18M

Ha, I wish, but t4he American is simply to young of a conference. If we can hit 10+ mil this go round and continue on the same trajectory that figure wouldn't be as impossible as it seems now on our 3rd Contract



Here are the facts...This is why the AAC is going to get paid.....

'15-'17 total games over 3 million viewers: AAC 21, mwc 3, MAC 3, BYU 4
'15-'17 total games over 2 million viewers: AAC 37, CUSA 6, MAC 9, mwc 11, SBC 2, BYU 6
'15-'17 total games over 1 million viewers: AAC 58, CUSA 23, MAC 21, mwc 31, SBC 3, BYU 13

'15-'17 non-bowl games over 3 million viewers: AAC 15, MAC 2, BYU 2
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 2 million viewers: AAC 25, CUSA 3, MAC 1, mwc 5, BYU 3
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 1 million viewers: AAC 39, CUSA 3, MAC 6, mwc 16, SBC 1, BYU 11,

'15-'17 conference controlled games over 3 million viewers: AAC 8, G4s 0, BYU 0
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 2 million viewers: AAC 14, mwc 1, BYU 2
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 1 million viewers: AAC 24, MAC 2, mwc 3, BYU 6

The AAC is looking for a total media payout of close to $12 million per year as per the Memphis AD who chairs the AAC Committee on Media. I think they get it... I also think in 2025 they get a tie in to a NY6 Bowl
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(06-17-2018 11:21 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 09:57 AM)PT_american Wrote:  To me when ADs and the comish are coming out and saying it will be close to P5 you better at a minimum hit 10. I mean that alone still isnt close to P5 but certainly elevates the league big time. If the come back with 6 or 7 I think they will have disappointed based on them commenting like they have. Had they remained quiet and hit 6 or 7 people would have probably been like that is solid. Now they have raised the bar in my opinion. Just hope the come through.

I would agree. I expect 6-8 million per team. To me, thats enough to create a clear separation between the AAC and the rest of the G5. While there's only only 2 million difference from the top of that range--hitting that double digit 10 million per team number, to me, does move us into another level with the general public. I think the public perception of the AAC at that point would be not unlike the way the Big East was seen in the BCS era. A power conference---but a power conference that was clearly a step back from the others.

Back in the BCS era, the typical power conference made about 15 million from media and the Big East made just 4 million. Thats actually a lower percentage than the AAC would boast at 10 million and the typical P5 at 20-30 million in media dollars. The old BE had only about 27% of the media earnings of the other AQ conferences. At 8 million, the AAC would have about 27% of the newest Big10 earnings in their new FOX/ESPN deal. The AAC would have about 40% of what the Big12 earns from their split FOX/ESPN deal. If the AAC got 10 million, the percentages would be 34% of the Big10 deal and about 50% of what all the other P5's make off their primary TV deals.

It would be a deal that clearly trails the other P5's. Maybe its just me---but at that double digit 10 million per team point---I do think you would be viewed in the minds of the general public as more of a "straggler in the P6 race" and less of "one of the little G5's". 04-cheers

well our specialty was basketball. It was just an added bonus to have a pretty solid football conference. We were looked at as a basketball conference anyway. i mean the sec is really good at football but awful at basketball. The big east was the opposite but i tend to think we were not that bad at football.
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(06-18-2018 08:33 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 12:55 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 12:32 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  12M to 18M

Ha, I wish, but t4he American is simply to young of a conference. If we can hit 10+ mil this go round and continue on the same trajectory that figure wouldn't be as impossible as it seems now on our 3rd Contract



Here are the facts...This is why the AAC is going to get paid.....

'15-'17 total games over 3 million viewers: AAC 21, mwc 3, MAC 3, BYU 4
'15-'17 total games over 2 million viewers: AAC 37, CUSA 6, MAC 9, mwc 11, SBC 2, BYU 6
'15-'17 total games over 1 million viewers: AAC 58, CUSA 23, MAC 21, mwc 31, SBC 3, BYU 13

'15-'17 non-bowl games over 3 million viewers: AAC 15, MAC 2, BYU 2
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 2 million viewers: AAC 25, CUSA 3, MAC 1, mwc 5, BYU 3
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 1 million viewers: AAC 39, CUSA 3, MAC 6, mwc 16, SBC 1, BYU 11,

'15-'17 conference controlled games over 3 million viewers: AAC 8, G4s 0, BYU 0
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 2 million viewers: AAC 14, mwc 1, BYU 2
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 1 million viewers: AAC 24, MAC 2, mwc 3, BYU 6

The AAC is looking for a total media payout of close to $12 million per year as per the Memphis AD who chairs the AAC Committee on Media. I think they get it... I also think in 2025 they get a tie in to a NY6 Bowl

Hope you mean per team and if so, from your keyboard to Rupert Murdock's wallet....
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(06-18-2018 08:33 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 12:55 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 12:32 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  12M to 18M

Ha, I wish, but t4he American is simply to young of a conference. If we can hit 10+ mil this go round and continue on the same trajectory that figure wouldn't be as impossible as it seems now on our 3rd Contract



Here are the facts...This is why the AAC is going to get paid.....

'15-'17 total games over 3 million viewers: AAC 21, mwc 3, MAC 3, BYU 4
'15-'17 total games over 2 million viewers: AAC 37, CUSA 6, MAC 9, mwc 11, SBC 2, BYU 6
'15-'17 total games over 1 million viewers: AAC 58, CUSA 23, MAC 21, mwc 31, SBC 3, BYU 13

'15-'17 non-bowl games over 3 million viewers: AAC 15, MAC 2, BYU 2
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 2 million viewers: AAC 25, CUSA 3, MAC 1, mwc 5, BYU 3
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 1 million viewers: AAC 39, CUSA 3, MAC 6, mwc 16, SBC 1, BYU 11,

'15-'17 conference controlled games over 3 million viewers: AAC 8, G4s 0, BYU 0
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 2 million viewers: AAC 14, mwc 1, BYU 2
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 1 million viewers: AAC 24, MAC 2, mwc 3, BYU 6

The AAC is looking for a total media payout of close to $12 million per year as per the Memphis AD who chairs the AAC Committee on Media. I think they get it... I also think in 2025 they get a tie in to a NY6 Bowl

Memphis prez is on the committee, not the Memphis AD. One of them said, months ago, $6 to 8M a year, and the other (I forget who said what) later said $8 to $10M a year, unless you have heard something more recent.
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(06-18-2018 09:41 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-18-2018 08:33 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 12:55 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 12:32 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  12M to 18M

Ha, I wish, but t4he American is simply to young of a conference. If we can hit 10+ mil this go round and continue on the same trajectory that figure wouldn't be as impossible as it seems now on our 3rd Contract



Here are the facts...This is why the AAC is going to get paid.....

'15-'17 total games over 3 million viewers: AAC 21, mwc 3, MAC 3, BYU 4
'15-'17 total games over 2 million viewers: AAC 37, CUSA 6, MAC 9, mwc 11, SBC 2, BYU 6
'15-'17 total games over 1 million viewers: AAC 58, CUSA 23, MAC 21, mwc 31, SBC 3, BYU 13

'15-'17 non-bowl games over 3 million viewers: AAC 15, MAC 2, BYU 2
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 2 million viewers: AAC 25, CUSA 3, MAC 1, mwc 5, BYU 3
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 1 million viewers: AAC 39, CUSA 3, MAC 6, mwc 16, SBC 1, BYU 11,

'15-'17 conference controlled games over 3 million viewers: AAC 8, G4s 0, BYU 0
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 2 million viewers: AAC 14, mwc 1, BYU 2
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 1 million viewers: AAC 24, MAC 2, mwc 3, BYU 6

The AAC is looking for a total media payout of close to $12 million per year as per the Memphis AD who chairs the AAC Committee on Media. I think they get it... I also think in 2025 they get a tie in to a NY6 Bowl

Memphis prez is on the committee, not the Memphis AD. One of them said, months ago, $6 to 8M a year, and the other (I forget who said what) later said $8 to $10M a year, unless you have heard something more recent.

How much of this $8 to $10 million is leaked just to create the price environment?
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(06-18-2018 01:41 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(06-18-2018 09:41 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-18-2018 08:33 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 12:55 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 12:32 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  12M to 18M

Ha, I wish, but t4he American is simply to young of a conference. If we can hit 10+ mil this go round and continue on the same trajectory that figure wouldn't be as impossible as it seems now on our 3rd Contract



Here are the facts...This is why the AAC is going to get paid.....

'15-'17 total games over 3 million viewers: AAC 21, mwc 3, MAC 3, BYU 4
'15-'17 total games over 2 million viewers: AAC 37, CUSA 6, MAC 9, mwc 11, SBC 2, BYU 6
'15-'17 total games over 1 million viewers: AAC 58, CUSA 23, MAC 21, mwc 31, SBC 3, BYU 13

'15-'17 non-bowl games over 3 million viewers: AAC 15, MAC 2, BYU 2
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 2 million viewers: AAC 25, CUSA 3, MAC 1, mwc 5, BYU 3
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 1 million viewers: AAC 39, CUSA 3, MAC 6, mwc 16, SBC 1, BYU 11,

'15-'17 conference controlled games over 3 million viewers: AAC 8, G4s 0, BYU 0
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 2 million viewers: AAC 14, mwc 1, BYU 2
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 1 million viewers: AAC 24, MAC 2, mwc 3, BYU 6

The AAC is looking for a total media payout of close to $12 million per year as per the Memphis AD who chairs the AAC Committee on Media. I think they get it... I also think in 2025 they get a tie in to a NY6 Bowl

Memphis prez is on the committee, not the Memphis AD. One of them said, months ago, $6 to 8M a year, and the other (I forget who said what) later said $8 to $10M a year, unless you have heard something more recent.

How much of this $8 to $10 million is leaked just to create the price environment?

Zero, and from the way Aresco is talking I would assume this is the bottom end.

There have been a bunch of breakdowns based on per viewer numbers that all say 10 million +.

Add in we have multiple bidders and you see pretty easily where Aresco's positive outlook is coming from.

Now the talk of p6 money is positioning for negotiation. Aresco is an Auctioneer right now. He has 3 bidders most likely and wants them to bid over each other. He's hoping to start the bidding right about 3/4 of what he thinks the max is and then see if he can get them to bid up to the max or over it.
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(06-18-2018 08:33 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 12:55 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 12:32 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  12M to 18M

Ha, I wish, but t4he American is simply to young of a conference. If we can hit 10+ mil this go round and continue on the same trajectory that figure wouldn't be as impossible as it seems now on our 3rd Contract



Here are the facts...This is why the AAC is going to get paid.....

'15-'17 total games over 3 million viewers: AAC 21, mwc 3, MAC 3, BYU 4
'15-'17 total games over 2 million viewers: AAC 37, CUSA 6, MAC 9, mwc 11, SBC 2, BYU 6
'15-'17 total games over 1 million viewers: AAC 58, CUSA 23, MAC 21, mwc 31, SBC 3, BYU 13

'15-'17 non-bowl games over 3 million viewers: AAC 15, MAC 2, BYU 2
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 2 million viewers: AAC 25, CUSA 3, MAC 1, mwc 5, BYU 3
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 1 million viewers: AAC 39, CUSA 3, MAC 6, mwc 16, SBC 1, BYU 11,

'15-'17 conference controlled games over 3 million viewers: AAC 8, G4s 0, BYU 0
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 2 million viewers: AAC 14, mwc 1, BYU 2
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 1 million viewers: AAC 24, MAC 2, mwc 3, BYU 6

From 2015-2017
AAC vs AAC games - 4 games over 3 million viewers, with five teams represented. 0 by the other four
AAC vs AAC games - 7 games over 2 million viewers, with seven teams represented. 0 by the other four
AAC vs AAC games - 13 games over 1 million viewers. 2 MAC championships got over 1 million and 1 mwc vs mwc regular season



The AAC is looking for a total media payout of close to $12 million per year as per the Memphis AD who chairs the AAC Committee on Media. I think they get it... I also think in 2025 they get a tie in to a NY6 Bowl

Irwin, I honestly don't mind you using my stuff, but you might as well add the intra-conference games datapoint.
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Anything less than $10M is a disappointment
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Anything higher than $7m/per team/per year will establish such a clear break with the G4 that not even Quo will be able to honestly deny it with a straight face.

Anything higher than $10m/per will result in the media saying “Yeah this P6 thing from Aresco just might work out.”
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I really don’t think our tv contract is going to impact whether we’re viewed by the national public and media as P6 or not. Most have no idea what we make currently and won’t know about our new TV deal either. It’s all about the brand level of our programs and we need to consistently win and win big.
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(06-18-2018 07:40 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  I really don’t think our tv contract is going to impact whether we’re viewed by the national public and media as P6 or not. Most have no idea what we make currently and won’t know about our new TV deal either. It’s all about the brand level of our programs and we need to consistently win and win big.
The general public, of course, doesn’t pay the slightest bit of attention to the media contracts of any athletic conference. But the professional sports-media does pay attention to that.
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(06-18-2018 01:41 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(06-18-2018 09:41 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-18-2018 08:33 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 12:55 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(06-17-2018 12:32 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  12M to 18M

Ha, I wish, but t4he American is simply to young of a conference. If we can hit 10+ mil this go round and continue on the same trajectory that figure wouldn't be as impossible as it seems now on our 3rd Contract



Here are the facts...This is why the AAC is going to get paid.....

'15-'17 total games over 3 million viewers: AAC 21, mwc 3, MAC 3, BYU 4
'15-'17 total games over 2 million viewers: AAC 37, CUSA 6, MAC 9, mwc 11, SBC 2, BYU 6
'15-'17 total games over 1 million viewers: AAC 58, CUSA 23, MAC 21, mwc 31, SBC 3, BYU 13

'15-'17 non-bowl games over 3 million viewers: AAC 15, MAC 2, BYU 2
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 2 million viewers: AAC 25, CUSA 3, MAC 1, mwc 5, BYU 3
'15-'17 non-bowl games over 1 million viewers: AAC 39, CUSA 3, MAC 6, mwc 16, SBC 1, BYU 11,

'15-'17 conference controlled games over 3 million viewers: AAC 8, G4s 0, BYU 0
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 2 million viewers: AAC 14, mwc 1, BYU 2
'15-'17 conference controlled games over 1 million viewers: AAC 24, MAC 2, mwc 3, BYU 6

The AAC is looking for a total media payout of close to $12 million per year as per the Memphis AD who chairs the AAC Committee on Media. I think they get it... I also think in 2025 they get a tie in to a NY6 Bowl

Memphis prez is on the committee, not the Memphis AD. One of them said, months ago, $6 to 8M a year, and the other (I forget who said what) later said $8 to $10M a year, unless you have heard something more recent.

How much of this $8 to $10 million is leaked just to create the price environment?

How would I know that? But frankly, if ESPN or any other network let anything a conference or school official says influence what they plan to offer, or do offer, then they are dumber than I think.

Does everything have to be a negotiating tactic? If so, I think it's useless, and laughable. What if they just answered the question to the best of their ability? I'm guessing they had input from TV consultants, including ratings data.
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RE: What is a P6 TV deal worth?
I hope we stay with ESPN and they pony up the dough. As said above, the general public does not know or care about our TV contract... but recruits like every game being on an ESPN network. Our current deal and exposure is at least part of the reason for our collective recent success.
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