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(05-01-2018 05:50 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 09:02 AM)BuickBronco Wrote:  If you don't think WMU is losing quality kids due to practice facilities I have ocean front property cheap in Schoolcraft. Go visit some of these places and see what they offer these players vs WMU.

That is very possible. But also trite.
Why does a kid choose Villanova over DePaul? The fact that one is a winner (with nary a one and done) and the other not. And the talent difference has nothing to do with facilities.

When any program aggressively targets multiple higher end talent within their bandwidth or slightly higher they’ll land enough each year that if coached up well that program will be viewed as a winner.

If that and you get buttocks in the seats $ will begin to flow. Like water it will find its natural level. Then you can apply window dressing as in a practice facility.

Villanova recruits to it's culture. They got away from that few years ago and paid the price. Good read out by their Coach. DePaul isn't even on the same wavelength as Nova. DePaul can't even out recruit Loyola a few blocks away. Toledo and Buffalo have the top BB facilities in the MAC. Who is winning last few years in the MAC?

(05-02-2018 08:48 AM)BuickBronco Wrote:  DePaul can't even out recruit Loyola a few blocks away.

It's Loyola's practice facility.

Oh, wait.....

Quote:Toledo and Buffalo have the top BB facilities in the MAC. Who is winning last few years in the MAC?

It's no accident that Nate Oats and Tod Kowalczyk get players.

They work really hard at it.

800 + wins. How does that happen?

(05-02-2018 08:48 AM)BuickBronco Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 05:50 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(05-01-2018 09:02 AM)BuickBronco Wrote:  If you don't think WMU is losing quality kids due to practice facilities I have ocean front property cheap in Schoolcraft. Go visit some of these places and see what they offer these players vs WMU.

That is very possible. But also trite.
Why does a kid choose Villanova over DePaul? The fact that one is a winner (with nary a one and done) and the other not. And the talent difference has nothing to do with facilities.

When any program aggressively targets multiple higher end talent within their bandwidth or slightly higher they’ll land enough each year that if coached up well that program will be viewed as a winner.

If that and you get buttocks in the seats $ will begin to flow. Like water it will find its natural level. Then you can apply window dressing as in a practice facility.

Villanova recruits to it's culture. They got away from that few years ago and paid the price. Good read out by their Coach. DePaul isn't even on the same wavelength as Nova. DePaul can't even out recruit Loyola a few blocks away. Toledo and Buffalo have the top BB facilities in the MAC. Who is winning last few years in the MAC?

You made my pernt (my Jersey accent) re Nova and DePaul in wave length.
But why? Very similar situations. Private Catholic urban schools formerly in BE together. Storied histories and legendary icons. Neither have “great facilities. Yet one is front and center while the other is on a milk carton.

Toledo under K isn’t good let alone great. He was 1 transfer a way from continued mediocrity. He had talent early, teased and then someone thumped them badly continuing and further establishing UT as window dressing. Disco was the rage when they last danced. My inseam was longer than my waistline is wide. Been that longgggggg ago.

Facilities are nice if you have them. But they don’t win or lose games. Programs do.

(05-02-2018 08:48 AM)BuickBronco Wrote:  Villanova recruits to it's culture.

There's more to it.

Projected 4 first round draft picks.

They also recruit talented players.

(06-02-2018 06:03 PM)ess Wrote:  

(05-02-2018 08:48 AM)BuickBronco Wrote:  Villanova recruits to it's culture.

There's more to it.

Projected 4 first round draft picks.

They also recruit talented players.

Read Jay Wrights new book. He recruits to a culture and failed recruiting for talent only. Common mistake at D1 level.

Canadian culture? *pot stirring emoji*

(06-07-2018 10:23 AM)BuickBronco Wrote:  Read Jay Wrights new book. He recruits to a culture and failed recruiting for talent only. Common mistake at D1 level.

In his own words.

You conveniently left out the "how we recruited, how we coached, how we practiced" part of it.

Leadership and accountability are GREAT attributes for D1 coaches.

And

You missed my point.

Recruiting to "culture only" won't achieve anything.

You need talented kids that fit your culture.

I know you were sent here to promote this narrative.

Especially after the "practice facility angle" failed on this board.

So I'll bite.

Please define your perception of coach Hawkins "culture"

(06-07-2018 01:33 PM)ess Wrote:  

(06-07-2018 10:23 AM)BuickBronco Wrote:  Read Jay Wrights new book. He recruits to a culture and failed recruiting for talent only. Common mistake at D1 level.

In his own words.

You conveniently left out the "how we recruited, how we coached, how we practiced" part of it.

Leadership and accountability are GREAT attributes for D1 coaches.

And

You missed my point.

Recruiting to "culture only" won't achieve anything.

You need talented kids that fit your culture.

I know you were sent here to promote this narrative.

Especially after the "practice facility angle" failed on this board.

So I'll bite.

Please define your perception of coach Hawkins "culture"

Why don't you ask Hawk himself. He is a big Jay Wright advocate.

Quote:Please define your perception of coach Hawkins "culture"

Why don't you ask Hawk himself.

I asked for YOUR perception of coach Hawkins culture.

Quote:He is a big Jay Wright advocate.

Jay Wright doesn't text people (behind the scenes) in social media hoping that they'll tell others how hard he works

Jay Wright doesn't use social medial to convince others that he works hard.

Jay Wright doesn't send surrogates to message boards to guide the narratives

Jay Wright walks the walk.

On culture

I've learned over the years.

It's better to observe a man's habits.

Basketball culture took a pretty big hit when we had a guy murder a person.... Hawkins has taken a beating with some players down the stretch.... so many great players left the program for one reason or another... but in my opinion Hawk has run a tight ship and if you don’t buy in you ride the pine... period. And if you are in the dog house long enough you are better off going somewhere else... Hawk has been consistent... I’ll give him that!

I like Hawk and it pains me to say this, but unless Reggie Jones designed the offensive scheme and failed to adapt it when Joe Reitz was playing his 8th season for the Colts and Tom Wilder was getting NBA looks, then I think all this culture talk is classic scapegoating BS.