(05-08-2018 06:07 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  But they have no money too improved inner city schools?

The schools aren’t the Memphis City government’s responsibility though.

It’s Shelby County’s obligation. The City formerly gave an annual payment to the former Memphis City Schools and the city council, which included the current mayor at the time, decided to stop doing it; which led to a lawsuit from MCS. But now there is no MCS.

The Liberty Bowl on the other hand, is a city asset and obligation. But the opportunity cost would be parks rather than schools. The city owns AutoZone Park and FedExForum too. Should those not be maintained and improved?

(05-08-2018 10:12 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 06:07 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  But they have no money too improved inner city schools?

Would it really make any difference?

Naw f them kids and their future. They have no potential

(05-08-2018 07:09 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 06:07 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  But they have no money too improved inner city schools?

Schools get $1 billion a year, and still are pitiful. $1-2 million for some stadium upgrades is not unreasonable. In fact a little bit more wouldn't hurt for a facility hosts two of the biggest city events every year.

Then maybe they need two billion.

Maybe we need to invest more money in early childhood education to better prepare students and add a diverse offering of courses to those pitiful schools to attract high performing students.

Thinking the schools are pitiful and not doing anything about it is pitiful.

(05-08-2018 08:21 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 07:09 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 06:07 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  But they have no money too improved inner city schools?

Schools get $1 billion a year, and still are pitiful. $1-2 million for some stadium upgrades is not unreasonable. In fact a little bit more wouldn't hurt for a facility hosts two of the biggest city events every year.

The city of Memphis pays nothing for schools. This was the point of giving up charter.

Actually that had nothing to do with it.

The city gave money to the city schools without having the responsibility to. The city council’s viewpoint was it was double taxation on city residents who were paying for schools with county taxes plus the city government had no legal oversight of MCS to have some control over how city money was being used. MCS sue and won because the state law was that funding levels for school systems cannot be lowered and taking the city’s payment away did just that. It’s like having to pay child support for a kid and you find out the kid isn’t yours, but the court requires you to keep paying the child support because that money is needed to keep up the child’s lifestyle.

Now the MCS nuclear option had everything to do with Repubs taking over the state legislative and executive branches and likely changing the state’s school system funding method. For decades the system was based on a percentage of state funds going to MCS and a percentage going to SCS based on population. MCS felt that the state formula would change and MCS would be limited in its ability to get to proper funding levels. To ensure the schools (and the system) wouldn’t be unfairly targeted by the state, MCS was dissolved. By doing that, what became the city’s funding obligation went away. And the state lawmakers made the muni’s law so voters in Memphis wouldn’t control the county school board and therefore suburban schools.

If you think the school board was being irrational about the state being punitive towards MCS; I only direct you to the state’s laws created because the elected Memphis city council was investigating renaming city owned parks which were honoring Confederates which led to the whole statue removal loophole last year.

(05-09-2018 05:45 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 07:09 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 06:07 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  But they have no money too improved inner city schools?

Schools get $1 billion a year, and still are pitiful. $1-2 million for some stadium upgrades is not unreasonable. In fact a little bit more wouldn't hurt for a facility hosts two of the biggest city events every year.

Then maybe they need two billion.

Maybe we need to invest more money in early childhood education to better prepare students and add a diverse offering of courses to those pitiful schools to attract high performing students.

Thinking the schools are pitiful and not doing anything about it is pitiful.

Maybe we need to invest into the time spent (which is priceless) fostering a parent/child relationship at a young age through adulthood, rather than throwing billions of dollars towards a school system and blaming the school system for ALL the failures of the children.

Insanity?

(05-09-2018 06:03 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 08:21 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 07:09 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 06:07 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  But they have no money too improved inner city schools?

Schools get $1 billion a year, and still are pitiful. $1-2 million for some stadium upgrades is not unreasonable. In fact a little bit more wouldn't hurt for a facility hosts two of the biggest city events every year.

The city of Memphis pays nothing for schools. This was the point of giving up charter.

Actually that had nothing to do with it.

The city gave money to the city schools without having the responsibility to. The city council’s viewpoint was it was double taxation on city residents who were paying for schools with county taxes plus the city government had no legal oversight of MCS to have some control over how city money was being used. MCS sure and won because the state law was that funding levels for school systems cannot be lowered and taking the city’s payment away did just that. It’s like having to pay child support for a kid and you find out the kid isn’t yours, but the court requires you to keep paying the child support because that money is needed to keep up the child’s lifestyle.

Now the MCS nuclear option had everything to do with Repubs taking over the state legislative and executive branches and likely changing the state’s school system funding method. For decades the system was based on a percentage of state funds going to MCS and a percentage going to SCS based on population. MCS felt that the state formula would change and MCS would be limited in its ability to get to proper funding levels. To ensure the schools (and the system) wouldn’t be unfairly targeted by the state, MCS was dissolved. By doing that, what became the city’s funding obligation went away. And the state lawmakers made the muni’s law so voters in Memphis wouldn’t control the county school board and therefore suburban schools.

If you think the school board was being irrational about the state being punitive towards MCS; I only direct you to the state’s laws created because the elected Memphis city council was investigating renaming city owned parks which were honoring Confederates which led to the whole statue removal loophole last year.

Maybe he should only sell houses in the county. Wonder what pitch he uses for schools on his listings.

This chronic inattentiveness becomes debilitating.

Heck, I'd just be happy if the paper towel dispensers in the bathrooms actually worked.

(05-09-2018 06:03 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 08:21 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 07:09 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 06:07 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  But they have no money too improved inner city schools?

Schools get $1 billion a year, and still are pitiful. $1-2 million for some stadium upgrades is not unreasonable. In fact a little bit more wouldn't hurt for a facility hosts two of the biggest city events every year.

The city of Memphis pays nothing for schools. This was the point of giving up charter.

Actually that had nothing to do with it.

The city gave money to the city schools without having the responsibility to. The city council’s viewpoint was it was double taxation on city residents who were paying for schools with county taxes plus the city government had no legal oversight of MCS to have some control over how city money was being used. MCS sure and won because the state law was that funding levels for school systems cannot be lowered and taking the city’s payment away did just that. It’s like having to pay child support for a kid and you find out the kid isn’t yours, but the court requires you to keep paying the child support because that money is needed to keep up the child’s lifestyle.

Now the MCS nuclear option had everything to do with Repubs taking over the state legislative and executive branches and likely changing the state’s school system funding method. For decades the system was based on a percentage of state funds going to MCS and a percentage going to SCS based on population. MCS felt that the state formula would change and MCS would be limited in its ability to get to proper funding levels. To ensure the schools (and the system) wouldn’t be unfairly targeted by the state, MCS was dissolved. By doing that, what became the city’s funding obligation went away. And the state lawmakers made the muni’s law so voters in Memphis wouldn’t control the county school board and therefore suburban schools.

If you think the school board was being irrational about the state being punitive towards MCS; I only direct you to the state’s laws created because the elected Memphis city council was investigating renaming city owned parks which were honoring Confederates which led to the whole statue removal loophole last year.

Actually the city had a maintenance of effort of around 60-70,000,000 per year they were on the hook for, that is why they lost the lawsuit with the MCS -- they had a legal responsibility to pay a certain percentage to MCS, just like the cities of Germantown, Collierville, Arlington Bartlett, Lakeland and Millington have to pay now.


I think the state's actions regarding the confederate statues were deplorable, but that was years after the city giving up the schools.

(05-09-2018 05:45 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 07:09 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 06:07 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  But they have no money too improved inner city schools?

Schools get $1 billion a year, and still are pitiful. $1-2 million for some stadium upgrades is not unreasonable. In fact a little bit more wouldn't hurt for a facility hosts two of the biggest city events every year.

Then maybe they need two billion.

Maybe we need to invest more money in early childhood education to better prepare students and add a diverse offering of courses to those pitiful schools to attract high performing students.

Thinking the schools are pitiful and not doing anything about it is pitiful.

Maybe we should teach children to quit having children. Try teaching adults to only have children they can afford to feed and cloth. Try teaching deadbeat dads to quit "hitting and splitting" and try being a dad instead of a sperm donor. Try teaching parents to take an active role in their kids education instead of blaming the schools because their children can't read or write like they should.

(05-09-2018 11:13 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 05:45 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 07:09 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 06:07 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  But they have no money too improved inner city schools?

Schools get $1 billion a year, and still are pitiful. $1-2 million for some stadium upgrades is not unreasonable. In fact a little bit more wouldn't hurt for a facility hosts two of the biggest city events every year.

Then maybe they need two billion.

Maybe we need to invest more money in early childhood education to better prepare students and add a diverse offering of courses to those pitiful schools to attract high performing students.

Thinking the schools are pitiful and not doing anything about it is pitiful.

Maybe we should teach children to quit having children. Try teaching adults to only have children they can afford to feed and cloth. Try teaching deadbeat dads to quit "hitting and splitting" and try being a dad instead of a sperm donor. Try teaching parents to take an active role in their kids education instead of blaming the schools because their children can't read or write like they should.

I'm all in. You lead, I'll follow.

You have done an outstanding job of describing the what. Now why don't you pontificate on the how.

(05-08-2018 05:48 PM)TigerEye Wrote:  "The council also voted last year to tack on a $1 facilities fee on single and seasonal tickets and to spend $100,000 to study an expansion of the stadium's capacity."

Why? The stadium is too large as it is.

My thoughts exactly.

In addition, we can keep putting money in it to make it the best it can be, but at some point it is going to need to be replaced. We should have just ponied up back in '93 for a new one and be enjoying the fruits of an NFL franchise. But, I digress...

(05-08-2018 05:48 PM)TigerEye Wrote:  "The council also voted last year to tack on a $1 facilities fee on single and seasonal tickets and to spend $100,000 to study an expansion of the stadium's capacity."

Why? The stadium is too large as it is.

The stadium is not too large, just too few fans to fill the stadium. Tiger Football plays a very exciting brand of football and deserves fan support.

(05-09-2018 11:13 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 05:45 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 07:09 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  [quote='Dynamos' pid='15288276' dateline='1525820864']
But they have no money too improved inner city schools?

Schools get $1 billion a year, and still are pitiful. $1-2 million for some stadium upgrades is not unreasonable. In fact a little bit more wouldn't hurt for a facility hosts two of the biggest city events every year.

Is this Robert Downey Jr. in costume? Y'all see it, right?

I had a chance to visit the club level seats when I worked in Athletics around 15 years ago. When I went in this year to consider buying tickets there, it looked like the SAME CARPET. How about using a couple hundred dollars of that $1-2 million to replace some carpet?

(05-09-2018 11:01 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 06:03 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 08:21 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 07:09 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 06:07 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  But they have no money too improved inner city schools?

Schools get $1 billion a year, and still are pitiful. $1-2 million for some stadium upgrades is not unreasonable. In fact a little bit more wouldn't hurt for a facility hosts two of the biggest city events every year.

The city of Memphis pays nothing for schools. This was the point of giving up charter.

Actually that had nothing to do with it.

The city gave money to the city schools without having the responsibility to. The city council’s viewpoint was it was double taxation on city residents who were paying for schools with county taxes plus the city government had no legal oversight of MCS to have some control over how city money was being used. MCS sure and won because the state law was that funding levels for school systems cannot be lowered and taking the city’s payment away did just that. It’s like having to pay child support for a kid and you find out the kid isn’t yours, but the court requires you to keep paying the child support because that money is needed to keep up the child’s lifestyle.

Now the MCS nuclear option had everything to do with Repubs taking over the state legislative and executive branches and likely changing the state’s school system funding method. For decades the system was based on a percentage of state funds going to MCS and a percentage going to SCS based on population. MCS felt that the state formula would change and MCS would be limited in its ability to get to proper funding levels. To ensure the schools (and the system) wouldn’t be unfairly targeted by the state, MCS was dissolved. By doing that, what became the city’s funding obligation went away. And the state lawmakers made the muni’s law so voters in Memphis wouldn’t control the county school board and therefore suburban schools.

If you think the school board was being irrational about the state being punitive towards MCS; I only direct you to the state’s laws created because the elected Memphis city council was investigating renaming city owned parks which were honoring Confederates which led to the whole statue removal loophole last year.

Actually the city had a maintenance of effort of around 60-70,000,000 per year they were on the hook for, that is why they lost the lawsuit with the MCS -- they had a legal responsibility to pay a certain percentage to MCS, just like the cities of Germantown, Collierville, Arlington Bartlett, Lakeland and Millington have to pay now.


I think the state's actions regarding the confederate statues were deplorable, but that was years after the city giving up the schools.

The city was in a legal hook via judicial interpretation of state law; but there was nothing to say the city was responsible for financing MCS. The charter was through Shelby county just like SCS.

The muni school systems were founded under a change to state law that happened five or so years ago. So how are you going to compare that to Memphis’s situation?

The point about the statues is as follows:

There was always a movement to rename Forrest, Davis, and Confederate Parks. The movement got a great deal of traction around 2005 when the story got a lot of news attention and Rev. Al Sharpton was part of a protest. Mayor Herenton didn’t get behind the effort and it lost its moment in the sun.

Then in 2013, the then city CAO George Little found out that the Sons of Confederate Veterans put a granite marker in Forrest Park to be seen on Union. This led Little to have it remove and an effort to find out who approved the marker in city gov’t. It also brought the rename movement back into the spotlight. But unlike 2005, Repubs control the general assembly and the governor’s mansion; and publicly some middle Tennessee and East Tennessee lawmakers weren’t going to let the city of Memphis change the names of the parks.

Originally the city council was going to create a board to review the park names. But because the state was going to change the law to take the power from the city and create (or empower) a state Confederacy Preservation historical commission which would have the ability to keep the city from making decisions on city property, the city council changed the names to generic geographic marker names.

I only bring that up to show that maybe the MCS board was justified to believing the state lawmakers were willing to make laws which would take power from local control and are definitely willing to be petty about it.

(05-08-2018 07:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 07:10 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 07:01 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 06:07 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  But they have no money too improved inner city schools?

They are paying for Griz Arena.

typically pathetic as expected

these renovations are being done to accommodate our new professional football team

With a new tenant, maybe we can overcome our blue guilt, and move back to campus where we belong.

Ain't no room.

if the UofM builds an 'on campus' stadium it'll be at the Park Ave Campus...so might as well just stay at the Liberty Bowl.

(05-08-2018 05:12 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  Screw the paint fix the send system

The one where you hit 'send' before spell-check?