(04-12-2018 10:15 AM)Coolidge1 Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:20 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:18 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 01:20 PM)TOGC Wrote:  Coaching and playing are different skill sets. It's the rare person who excels as both a player and a coach. Most great coaches were average to mediocre players. Most great players were average to mediocre coaches.

Most college and pro head coaches got their jobs because they paid their dues as an assistant first. Yes, Hoiberg is an exception. But there are also colossal failures like Clyde Drexler, Patrick Ewing, and Chris Mullin.

The fact is that we have absolutely nothing to prove that Penny will be a great X's and O's coach at the college level. College coaching is different than high school coaching. In high school, you can beat most teams if you have more talent. Just throw the ball up and let the kids beat the other team. In college, there are more talented players and less of a drop off from the best teams to the worst teams. The coaches do have to know how to draw up X's and O's to put their players in the best position to be successful. College coaches also have a lot more administration work with NCAA compliance issues, scheduling, recruiting, public appearances, logistics, etc. People who say there's not much difference between high school and college coaching don't know what they're talking about. There is a huge difference between the two.

And you have nothing to prove that he won’t be a great x and o coach.

When you make an outlandish claim that he's going to be great, the burden of proof is on you.

Just like your outlandish claim he will not be great.

My claim is not that outlandish. He coached middle school and high school a few years with mostly the same kids. He coached AAU ball with mostly the same kids. He's never coached a single day of college ball in his life. He's never recruited high school kids to play college ball until now. He's never assembled a college staff until now. He's never done scheduling for college ball until now. He's never done logistics or administrative work for college ball until now.

At your place of business, if you hired a guy with zero relevant experience for a job that would be in control of a multi-million dollar budget, which could raise or sink the organization and only hired him because he was popular, you'd be the first one fired for such a dumb decision.

(04-10-2018 07:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 03:51 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  It's basketball ya'll not rocket science and Penny is an intelligent human being. At the college level this has more to do with connections, talent and true understanding of the game. Being one of the best point guard at the highest level means a high basketball IQ. The most knowledgeable people know a point guard is like a coach on the floor. I think some of best of us have come around to understand that this move is good in so many ways that good times are ahead.

The final piece is Larry Brown because he can free Penny up as the associate head coach to teach players the nuances of the game while Penny takes on other head coaching obligations. Frankly, you would be surprised at how much TIME the head coach spends on things not involved with coaching players.

Magic Johnson coached...

Isaiah Thomas coached...

Neither one was successful yet Steve Kerr is...Strange how that works.

Now Penny may be fine as an X & O coach but why would we want to wait while he learns on the job when we can bring in someone to help bridge that gap.

Well Steve Kerr did inherit a stacked roster. The previous coach before him Mark Jackson is the one who responsible for the turn around. Not sure why Golden State fired him.

(04-12-2018 06:05 PM)Crazier Wrote:  Well Steve Kerr did inherit a stacked roster. The previous coach before him Mark Jackson is the one who responsible for the turn around. Not sure why Golden State fired him.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/12/6/7...-joe-lacob

(04-12-2018 05:43 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:15 AM)Coolidge1 Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:20 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:18 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 01:20 PM)TOGC Wrote:  Coaching and playing are different skill sets. It's the rare person who excels as both a player and a coach. Most great coaches were average to mediocre players. Most great players were average to mediocre coaches.

Most college and pro head coaches got their jobs because they paid their dues as an assistant first. Yes, Hoiberg is an exception. But there are also colossal failures like Clyde Drexler, Patrick Ewing, and Chris Mullin.

The fact is that we have absolutely nothing to prove that Penny will be a great X's and O's coach at the college level. College coaching is different than high school coaching. In high school, you can beat most teams if you have more talent. Just throw the ball up and let the kids beat the other team. In college, there are more talented players and less of a drop off from the best teams to the worst teams. The coaches do have to know how to draw up X's and O's to put their players in the best position to be successful. College coaches also have a lot more administration work with NCAA compliance issues, scheduling, recruiting, public appearances, logistics, etc. People who say there's not much difference between high school and college coaching don't know what they're talking about. There is a huge difference between the two.

And you have nothing to prove that he won’t be a great x and o coach.

When you make an outlandish claim that he's going to be great, the burden of proof is on you.

Just like your outlandish claim he will not be great.

My claim is not that outlandish. He coached middle school and high school a few years with mostly the same kids. He coached AAU ball with mostly the same kids. He's never coached a single day of college ball in his life. He's never recruited high school kids to play college ball until now. He's never assembled a college staff until now. He's never done scheduling for college ball until now. He's never done logistics or administrative work for college ball until now.

At your place of business, if you hired a guy with zero relevant experience for a job that would be in control of a multi-million dollar budget, which could raise or sink the organization and only hired him because he was popular, you'd be the first one fired for such a dumb decision.

Well considering that is literally not the scenario at all, that is a pretty stupid comparison. However, stupid is your usual, at least you are consistent...

(04-12-2018 09:32 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 05:43 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:15 AM)Coolidge1 Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:20 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:18 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  And you have nothing to prove that he won’t be a great x and o coach.

When you make an outlandish claim that he's going to be great, the burden of proof is on you.

Just like your outlandish claim he will not be great.

My claim is not that outlandish. He coached middle school and high school a few years with mostly the same kids. He coached AAU ball with mostly the same kids. He's never coached a single day of college ball in his life. He's never recruited high school kids to play college ball until now. He's never assembled a college staff until now. He's never done scheduling for college ball until now. He's never done logistics or administrative work for college ball until now.

At your place of business, if you hired a guy with zero relevant experience for a job that would be in control of a multi-million dollar budget, which could raise or sink the organization and only hired him because he was popular, you'd be the first one fired for such a dumb decision.

Well considering that is literally not the scenario at all, that is a pretty stupid comparison. However, stupid is your usual, at least you are consistent...

He’s also a know-it-all... he’s smarter than the rest of us.

(04-12-2018 09:32 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 05:43 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:15 AM)Coolidge1 Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:20 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:18 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  And you have nothing to prove that he won’t be a great x and o coach.

When you make an outlandish claim that he's going to be great, the burden of proof is on you.

Just like your outlandish claim he will not be great.

My claim is not that outlandish. He coached middle school and high school a few years with mostly the same kids. He coached AAU ball with mostly the same kids. He's never coached a single day of college ball in his life. He's never recruited high school kids to play college ball until now. He's never assembled a college staff until now. He's never done scheduling for college ball until now. He's never done logistics or administrative work for college ball until now.

At your place of business, if you hired a guy with zero relevant experience for a job that would be in control of a multi-million dollar budget, which could raise or sink the organization and only hired him because he was popular, you'd be the first one fired for such a dumb decision.

Well considering that is literally not the scenario at all, that is a pretty stupid comparison. However, stupid is your usual, at least you are consistent...

Penny has zero head coaching or assistant coaching at the major college level.

The Tiger basketball program does have a multi-million dollar budget.

He is popular.

It is a dumb decision.

(04-13-2018 03:14 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:32 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 05:43 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:15 AM)Coolidge1 Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:20 PM)TOGC Wrote:  When you make an outlandish claim that he's going to be great, the burden of proof is on you.

Just like your outlandish claim he will not be great.

My claim is not that outlandish. He coached middle school and high school a few years with mostly the same kids. He coached AAU ball with mostly the same kids. He's never coached a single day of college ball in his life. He's never recruited high school kids to play college ball until now. He's never assembled a college staff until now. He's never done scheduling for college ball until now. He's never done logistics or administrative work for college ball until now.

At your place of business, if you hired a guy with zero relevant experience for a job that would be in control of a multi-million dollar budget, which could raise or sink the organization and only hired him because he was popular, you'd be the first one fired for such a dumb decision.

Well considering that is literally not the scenario at all, that is a pretty stupid comparison. However, stupid is your usual, at least you are consistent...

Penny has zero head coaching or assistant coaching at the major college level.

The Tiger basketball program does have a multi-million dollar budget.

He is popular.

It is a dumb decision.

(04-13-2018 03:14 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:32 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 05:43 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:15 AM)Coolidge1 Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:20 PM)TOGC Wrote:  When you make an outlandish claim that he's going to be great, the burden of proof is on you.

Just like your outlandish claim he will not be great.

My claim is not that outlandish. He coached middle school and high school a few years with mostly the same kids. He coached AAU ball with mostly the same kids. He's never coached a single day of college ball in his life. He's never recruited high school kids to play college ball until now. He's never assembled a college staff until now. He's never done scheduling for college ball until now. He's never done logistics or administrative work for college ball until now.

At your place of business, if you hired a guy with zero relevant experience for a job that would be in control of a multi-million dollar budget, which could raise or sink the organization and only hired him because he was popular, you'd be the first one fired for such a dumb decision.

Well considering that is literally not the scenario at all, that is a pretty stupid comparison. However, stupid is your usual, at least you are consistent...

Penny has zero head coaching or assistant coaching at the major college level.

The Tiger basketball program does have a multi-million dollar budget.

He is popular.

It is a dumb decision.

But what if the popular guy came in and raised the budget as well replaced not so good employees with better ones in less than a month? Seems like it would be a good decision.

(04-14-2018 11:58 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 03:14 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 09:32 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 05:43 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:15 AM)Coolidge1 Wrote:  Just like your outlandish claim he will not be great.

My claim is not that outlandish. He coached middle school and high school a few years with mostly the same kids. He coached AAU ball with mostly the same kids. He's never coached a single day of college ball in his life. He's never recruited high school kids to play college ball until now. He's never assembled a college staff until now. He's never done scheduling for college ball until now. He's never done logistics or administrative work for college ball until now.

At your place of business, if you hired a guy with zero relevant experience for a job that would be in control of a multi-million dollar budget, which could raise or sink the organization and only hired him because he was popular, you'd be the first one fired for such a dumb decision.

Well considering that is literally not the scenario at all, that is a pretty stupid comparison. However, stupid is your usual, at least you are consistent...

Penny has zero head coaching or assistant coaching at the major college level.

The Tiger basketball program does have a multi-million dollar budget.

He is popular.

It is a dumb decision.

But what if the popular guy came in and raised the budget as well replaced not so good employees with better ones in less than a month? Seems like it would be a good decision.

Whoa whoa whoa.

Too late.

Collectively we have already filed you under the same category as TOGC so don't bother.

As poppaslaw says, saddle up and ride it, your hero is Tubby.