This is an honest question coming from naive curiosity: Why is it common perception that he can't be the X and O coach? He played all his life, played in the league for years, and has coached?

He can and he's going to do great.

The only people that say he can't be an "X and O" coach are the ones still on the tubby-lovey train.

Yep, many people have said he can do the x's and o's. My biggest concern is all the stuff that isn't x's and o's. The administration part, dealing with the college aspects.

(04-09-2018 10:06 PM)Guitarman Wrote:  He can and he's going to do great.

The only people that say he can't be an "X and O" coach are the ones still on the tubby-lovey train.

I think he will do ok in the Xs and Os department and will grow even better in that regard as time goes on.

I guess my hesitancy is based on the Pastner result - first time head college coach and had a guy for Xs & Os for a while but then grew to think he knew it all and really didn't need one. We saw how that turned south....

But I think Penny has the knowledge to start off and the willingness to grow and continue to learn from his mistakes. Maybe a little more humility than Pastner had.

JMHO.

Because of false premises that since Clyde ‘the Glide’ failed at coaching so that means Penny will fail at coaching too. They don’t bring up people like Fred Hoiberg who never coached until he got the Iowa State job and he was successful. Larry Bird was a pretty good coach on the NBA level with the Pacers. We don’t know for certain what Penny will do as far as x and o but no one should automatically declare him as incapable of being able to coach.

All the coaches that you would think are 'X's and O's coaches' had to start somewhere ... amiright?

(04-09-2018 10:09 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Yep, many people have said he can do the x's and o's. My biggest concern is all the stuff that isn't x's and o's. The administration part, dealing with the college aspects.

I think Penny will be fine in the x and o category.

He was an All-Star NBA point guard for various schemes and performed rather well.

Having Larry Brown as a mentor coach is just ******* awesome.

This is meant to be, folks.

Expectations?

National Championship.

Mine is based on 50 years of basketball. He has never instituted a college offense or defense, special situation, style of play. Etc. he needs a mentor for X/O. No comparison to HS level whatsoever.

(04-09-2018 11:22 PM)Shooters Wrote:  Mine is based on 50 years of basketball. He has never instituted a college offense or defense, special situation, style of play. Etc. he needs a mentor for X/O. No comparison to HS level whatsoever.

Seriously?
Why would a high school coach be over his head vs college coaches?
Penny's playing experience will help him. But he is jumping straight into the fire.

It's basketball ya'll not rocket science and Penny is an intelligent human being. At the college level this has more to do with connections, talent and true understanding of the game. Being one of the best point guard at the highest level means a high basketball IQ. The most knowledgeable people know a point guard is like a coach on the floor. I think some of best of us have come around to understand that this move is good in so many ways that good times are ahead.

The final piece is Larry Brown because he can free Penny up as the associate head coach to teach players the nuances of the game while Penny takes on other head coaching obligations. Frankly, you would be surprised at how much TIME the head coach spends on things not involved with coaching players.

(04-09-2018 11:22 PM)Shooters Wrote:  Mine is based on 50 years of basketball. He has never instituted a college offense or defense, special situation, style of play. Etc. he needs a mentor for X/O. No comparison to HS level whatsoever.

Just a thought but if Penny has never instituted a college offense or defense then opposing coaches won't know what kind of offense or defense to set up for Memphis now will they? It works both ways I would think.

(04-09-2018 10:37 PM)mempho_to_diego Wrote:  All the coaches that you would think are 'X's and O's coaches' had to start somewhere ... amiright?

absolutely.

(04-09-2018 11:22 PM)Shooters Wrote:  Mine is based on 50 years of basketball. He has never instituted a college offense or defense, special situation, style of play. Etc. he needs a mentor for X/O. No comparison to HS level whatsoever.

So does that include 50 years of college level coaching?

Penny has been coaching high level D1 talent in high school already. I think the biggest thing he has no experience at is coaching against comparable talent. this gonna be fun.

(04-09-2018 10:37 PM)mempho_to_diego Wrote:  All the coaches that you would think are 'X's and O's coaches' had to start somewhere ... amiright?

#Yep

(04-10-2018 03:51 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  It's basketball ya'll not rocket science and Penny is an intelligent human being. At the college level this has more to do with connections, talent and true understanding of the game. Being one of the best point guard at the highest level means a high basketball IQ. The most knowledgeable people know a point guard is like a coach on the floor. I think some of best of us have come around to understand that this move is good in so many ways that good times are ahead.

The final piece is Larry Brown because he can free Penny up as the associate head coach to teach players the nuances of the game while Penny takes on other head coaching obligations. Frankly, you would be surprised at how much TIME the head coach spends on things not involved with coaching players.

Magic Johnson coached...

Isaiah Thomas coached...

Neither one was successful yet Steve Kerr is...Strange how that works.

Now Penny may be fine as an X & O coach but why would we want to wait while he learns on the job when we can bring in someone to help bridge that gap.

(04-10-2018 07:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 03:51 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  It's basketball ya'll not rocket science and Penny is an intelligent human being. At the college level this has more to do with connections, talent and true understanding of the game. Being one of the best point guard at the highest level means a high basketball IQ. The most knowledgeable people know a point guard is like a coach on the floor. I think some of best of us have come around to understand that this move is good in so many ways that good times are ahead.

The final piece is Larry Brown because he can free Penny up as the associate head coach to teach players the nuances of the game while Penny takes on other head coaching obligations. Frankly, you would be surprised at how much TIME the head coach spends on things not involved with coaching players.

Magic Johnson coached...

Isaiah Thomas coached...

Neither one was successful yet Steve Kerr is...Strange how that works.

Now Penny may be fine as an X & O coach but why would we want to wait while he learns on the job when we can bring in someone to help bridge that gap.

Coaches are fired every day and most are experienced college level coaches who know the X's and O's and who couldn't cut it. Even the mighty Cal ait't so hot.

(04-10-2018 05:34 AM)TIGERBUDDY Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 11:22 PM)Shooters Wrote:  Mine is based on 50 years of basketball. He has never instituted a college offense or defense, special situation, style of play. Etc. he needs a mentor for X/O. No comparison to HS level whatsoever.

Just a thought but if Penny has never instituted a college offense or defense then opposing coaches won't know what kind of offense or defense to set up for Memphis now will they? It works both ways I would think.

Right up until our first game - once other coaches have video, they will know what he does. So, actually, it loses the "both ways" rather quickly. But that does not matter, he can coach - he knows this stuff. Like the man said, this is basketball, not rocket science.

(04-10-2018 03:51 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  It's basketball ya'll not rocket science and Penny is an intelligent human being. At the college level this has more to do with connections, talent and true understanding of the game. Being one of the best point guard at the highest level means a high basketball IQ. The most knowledgeable people know a point guard is like a coach on the floor. I think some of best of us have come around to understand that this move is good in so many ways that good times are ahead.

The final piece is Larry Brown because he can free Penny up as the associate head coach to teach players the nuances of the game while Penny takes on other head coaching obligations. Frankly, you would be surprised at how much TIME the head coach spends on things not involved with coaching players.

Isiah Thomas is a HOF point guard that failed miserably as a head coach.

So far in his hs coaching career, he has always had superior talent compared to his opponents. It'll be interesting to see what he can do coaching against equal talent and against coaches who have been in the college coaching business for a while.

Hope he does great and I think he can initially bring in a lot of talent but I think he still needs to be surrounded with great assistant coaches. Would be nice to have someone on the staff that has been a HC before to help guide him.