(04-02-2022 05:54 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 02:29 AM)Inkblot Wrote:  In the last two decades, the NYC and Philadelphia areas have lost seven D2 programs (Cheyney, Concordia, Dowling, LIU Post, New York Tech, Southampton, USciences) to closures, athletic suspensions, athletic mergers, or full mergers. Bloomfield would make it eight.

You also have a school in D2 in Conneticutt talking about a merger, you have the D3 school in Deleware merged with Deleware State, and several schools closed or merged in Vermont, New Hampshire and Massachusetts.

I know of one university that used their covid money to keep their doors open.

I keep watching and waiting for the Forbes 2022 list but haven't seen one yet. A few schools had an D rating for years and haven't closed.

I'm shocked to see a lot of late application deadlines of June, July, August. At that point, too late to give anyone notice you're closing for the fall.

(04-02-2022 05:54 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 02:29 AM)Inkblot Wrote:  In the last two decades, the NYC and Philadelphia areas have lost seven D2 programs (Cheyney, Concordia, Dowling, LIU Post, New York Tech, Southampton, USciences) to closures, athletic suspensions, athletic mergers, or full mergers. Bloomfield would make it eight.

You also have a school in D2 in Conneticutt talking about a merger, you have the D3 school in Deleware merged with Deleware State, and several schools closed or merged in Vermont, New Hampshire and Massachusetts.

The acquisition of Bridgeport was completed a year ago. Their plan to merge with Marlboro College ended 3 years ago and never happened.

New Haven has an eye on D1.

Post (for-profit) acquired a Denver based for-profit medical school a year ago.

Southern Connecticut State is part of the Connecticut State University System.

Those are the Connecticut D2 schools; which one is currently involved in merger talks.

(04-02-2022 09:11 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 05:54 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 02:29 AM)Inkblot Wrote:  In the last two decades, the NYC and Philadelphia areas have lost seven D2 programs (Cheyney, Concordia, Dowling, LIU Post, New York Tech, Southampton, USciences) to closures, athletic suspensions, athletic mergers, or full mergers. Bloomfield would make it eight.

You also have a school in D2 in Conneticutt talking about a merger, you have the D3 school in Deleware merged with Deleware State, and several schools closed or merged in Vermont, New Hampshire and Massachusetts.

The acquisition of Bridgeport was completed a year ago. Their plan to merge with Marlboro College ended 3 years ago and never happened.

New Haven has an eye on D1.

Post (for-profit) acquired a Denver based for-profit medical school a year ago.

Southern Connecticut State is part of the Connecticut State University System.

Those are the Connecticut D2 schools; which one is currently involved in merger talks.

Bridgeport, and they sold off their soccer field that used to had football to the city to host high school football and all that. Bridgeport is still not out of the woods yet.

(04-02-2022 09:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 09:11 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 05:54 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 02:29 AM)Inkblot Wrote:  In the last two decades, the NYC and Philadelphia areas have lost seven D2 programs (Cheyney, Concordia, Dowling, LIU Post, New York Tech, Southampton, USciences) to closures, athletic suspensions, athletic mergers, or full mergers. Bloomfield would make it eight.

You also have a school in D2 in Conneticutt talking about a merger, you have the D3 school in Deleware merged with Deleware State, and several schools closed or merged in Vermont, New Hampshire and Massachusetts.

The acquisition of Bridgeport was completed a year ago. Their plan to merge with Marlboro College ended 3 years ago and never happened.

New Haven has an eye on D1.

Post (for-profit) acquired a Denver based for-profit medical school a year ago.

Southern Connecticut State is part of the Connecticut State University System.

Those are the Connecticut D2 schools; which one is currently involved in merger talks.

Bridgeport, and they sold off their soccer field that used to had football to the city to host high school football and all that. Bridgeport is still not out of the woods yet.

Really; what do I see marked as campus facility #25 on the University of Bridgeport campus map? A facility used by the Purple Knights soccer teams in the fall 2021 season, currently being used by the women's lacrosse team, and will be used by the new men's lacrosse team that begins play in the spring 2023 season. Speaking of new teams; UB may still be having some difficulties but they have to have money coming from somewhere in order to be able to start 5 NCAA teams and some club teams in 2022-23. So, who is Bridgeport currently talking to about a merger?

(04-02-2022 10:35 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 09:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 09:11 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 05:54 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 02:29 AM)Inkblot Wrote:  In the last two decades, the NYC and Philadelphia areas have lost seven D2 programs (Cheyney, Concordia, Dowling, LIU Post, New York Tech, Southampton, USciences) to closures, athletic suspensions, athletic mergers, or full mergers. Bloomfield would make it eight.

You also have a school in D2 in Conneticutt talking about a merger, you have the D3 school in Deleware merged with Deleware State, and several schools closed or merged in Vermont, New Hampshire and Massachusetts.

The acquisition of Bridgeport was completed a year ago. Their plan to merge with Marlboro College ended 3 years ago and never happened.

New Haven has an eye on D1.

Post (for-profit) acquired a Denver based for-profit medical school a year ago.

Southern Connecticut State is part of the Connecticut State University System.

Those are the Connecticut D2 schools; which one is currently involved in merger talks.

Bridgeport, and they sold off their soccer field that used to had football to the city to host high school football and all that. Bridgeport is still not out of the woods yet.

Really; what do I see marked as campus facility #25 on the University of Bridgeport campus map? A facility used by the Purple Knights soccer teams in the fall 2021 season, currently being used by the women's lacrosse team, and will be used by the new men's lacrosse team that begins play in the spring 2023 season. Speaking of new teams; UB may still be having some difficulties but they have to have money coming from somewhere in order to be able to start 5 NCAA teams and some club teams in 2022-23. So, who is Bridgeport currently talking to about a merger?

New Bassack High School At Bridgeport Campus Including Buying The Soccer Field

(04-03-2022 12:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 10:35 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 09:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 09:11 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 05:54 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  You also have a school in D2 in Conneticutt talking about a merger, you have the D3 school in Deleware merged with Deleware State, and several schools closed or merged in Vermont, New Hampshire and Massachusetts.

The acquisition of Bridgeport was completed a year ago. Their plan to merge with Marlboro College ended 3 years ago and never happened.

New Haven has an eye on D1.

Post (for-profit) acquired a Denver based for-profit medical school a year ago.

Southern Connecticut State is part of the Connecticut State University System.

Those are the Connecticut D2 schools; which one is currently involved in merger talks.

Bridgeport, and they sold off their soccer field that used to had football to the city to host high school football and all that. Bridgeport is still not out of the woods yet.

Really; what do I see marked as campus facility #25 on the University of Bridgeport campus map? A facility used by the Purple Knights soccer teams in the fall 2021 season, currently being used by the women's lacrosse team, and will be used by the new men's lacrosse team that begins play in the spring 2023 season. Speaking of new teams; UB may still be having some difficulties but they have to have money coming from somewhere in order to be able to start 5 NCAA teams and some club teams in 2022-23. So, who is Bridgeport currently talking to about a merger?

New Bassack High School At Bridgeport Campus Including Buying The Soccer Field

Didn't ask about what an article from 2 years ago said. But since you actually linked it, did you bother to read it.

Quote:enter a 99-year lease — at $1 a year — for the soccer field

Leasing is not buying; if you're leasing something there has to be an owner. UB still owns the field and earns $1 a year from the high school.

UB labels the field as a campus facility while the buildings on the east side and northeast corner of the field are no longer marked as campus residence halls. There is no signage at the field for the high school even though they use it.

And you still haven't answered who Bridgeport is currently talking to about a merger.

(04-02-2022 04:11 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 02:40 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 10:38 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 07:35 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The unfortunate truth is we have too many colleges and universities out there and some that have outlived their purpose. I’m actually shocked that we aren’t seeing more closures than we are.

From a purely economic standpoint you are correct

Colleges are one of the institutions that don’t necessarily follow pure economics

You have town governments and city governments with a vested interest in keeping those employment centers alive plus the prestige of having a college in your town.
You also have many alumni who are willing to sink good money into bad because of the emotional attachment they have to their college

Right. And that’s why a lot of schools that should close stay open. The folks reaping the financial benefits don’t want to see their cash cow slaughtered so they use political pressure to keep them going. That’s why we still have a Chicago St.

It's also that losing the local college can be the start of a death spiral. If the college closes, you lose a couple hundred jobs and people move away. Then the rural hospital closes because there are fewer people, things get more expensive, and the healthcare economic situation sucks, too. And more people leave. And now you can't support your own high school, so it's less appealing for people to live in town if their kids have to travel 30-45 minutes to school. And even more people leave, and now your main street is a ghost town and you have an isolated, aging population.

That doesn't apply to Chicago State, but it applies to a lot of small town America.

All good points. Even small liberal arts colleges in small towns that don’t have many locals attending are still valuable resources for the town. If nothing else, it’s a relatively clean “industry.” I like the non elite and non specialized schools that were most likely not much more than a clergy training school originally but have evolved to be valuable assets in a very modern sense. They typically have strong teacher education programs, nursing, bring arts and music to a place that may not offer much. They are often quite entrepreneurial in working with the town to provide what’s needed locally.

Athletics may be a front door that brings a lot of kids to town from other parts of the country and I don’t see that as a bad thing at all.

some Division I men's lacrosse realignment news - effective next season.

Southern Conference is closing up shop. Hampton to the CAA as part of their all-sports move, Jacksonville back home to the ASUN and taking Mercer with them. VMI returning to the MAAC, where it played back when the other Keydets teams were in the Big South.

Richmond will be part of the new Atlantic 10 men's lacrosse lineup, along with Saint Joseph's, UMass and St. Bonaventure. The remaining SoCon team, High Point, is expected to be offered A10 affiliate membership. If so the A10 will still need one more team to take ownership of the SoCon's AQ berth. Fairfield and Hobart have been rumored. Even though the AQ minimum is 6, there's no harm having 7 or more for ease of scheduling.

(04-04-2022 05:54 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  some Division I men's lacrosse realignment news - effective next season.

Southern Conference is closing up shop. Hampton to the CAA as part of their all-sports move, Jacksonville back home to the ASUN and taking Mercer with them. VMI returning to the MAAC, where it played back when the other Keydets teams were in the Big South.

Richmond will be part of the new Atlantic 10 men's lacrosse lineup, along with Saint Joseph's, UMass and St. Bonaventure. The remaining SoCon team, High Point, is expected to be offered A10 affiliate membership. If so the A10 will still need one more team to take ownership of the SoCon's AQ berth. Fairfield and Hobart have been rumored. Even though the AQ minimum is 6, there's no harm having 7 or more for ease of scheduling.

A lot of shuffling.

Lindenwood will need a home in 2023 as well.

(04-04-2022 05:54 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  some Division I men's lacrosse realignment news - effective next season.

Southern Conference is closing up shop. Hampton to the CAA as part of their all-sports move, Jacksonville back home to the ASUN and taking Mercer with them. VMI returning to the MAAC, where it played back when the other Keydets teams were in the Big South.

Richmond will be part of the new Atlantic 10 men's lacrosse lineup, along with Saint Joseph's, UMass and St. Bonaventure. The remaining SoCon team, High Point, is expected to be offered A10 affiliate membership. If so the A10 will still need one more team to take ownership of the SoCon's AQ berth. Fairfield and Hobart have been rumored. Even though the AQ minimum is 6, there's no harm having 7 or more for ease of scheduling.

Why does Fairfield play in the CAA for Lacrosse instead of the MAAC?

Hobart leaving the NEC would drop them to 5?

(04-04-2022 06:16 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 05:54 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  some Division I men's lacrosse realignment news - effective next season.

Southern Conference is closing up shop. Hampton to the CAA as part of their all-sports move, Jacksonville back home to the ASUN and taking Mercer with them. VMI returning to the MAAC, where it played back when the other Keydets teams were in the Big South.

Richmond will be part of the new Atlantic 10 men's lacrosse lineup, along with Saint Joseph's, UMass and St. Bonaventure. The remaining SoCon team, High Point, is expected to be offered A10 affiliate membership. If so the A10 will still need one more team to take ownership of the SoCon's AQ berth. Fairfield and Hobart have been rumored. Even though the AQ minimum is 6, there's no harm having 7 or more for ease of scheduling.

Why does Fairfield play in the CAA for Lacrosse instead of the MAAC?

Hobart leaving the NEC would drop them to 5?

Fairfield was allowed to walk away from MAAC men's lacrosse 20 years ago or thereabouts - they wanted to be full scholarship and at the time the MAAC was a zero scholarship league. The Stags have played in the ECAC, Great Western Lacrosse League and now the CAA.

Over the years the MAAC increased lax investment and it's now at the D1 maximum. The MAAC didn't call Fairfield back home because them leaving the CAA would have dropped that conference under the 6-team threshold and the MAAC thought that wasn't an ethical thing to do to another league.

(04-04-2022 07:04 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 06:16 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 05:54 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  some Division I men's lacrosse realignment news - effective next season.

Southern Conference is closing up shop. Hampton to the CAA as part of their all-sports move, Jacksonville back home to the ASUN and taking Mercer with them. VMI returning to the MAAC, where it played back when the other Keydets teams were in the Big South.

Richmond will be part of the new Atlantic 10 men's lacrosse lineup, along with Saint Joseph's, UMass and St. Bonaventure. The remaining SoCon team, High Point, is expected to be offered A10 affiliate membership. If so the A10 will still need one more team to take ownership of the SoCon's AQ berth. Fairfield and Hobart have been rumored. Even though the AQ minimum is 6, there's no harm having 7 or more for ease of scheduling.

Why does Fairfield play in the CAA for Lacrosse instead of the MAAC?

Hobart leaving the NEC would drop them to 5?

Fairfield was allowed to walk away from MAAC men's lacrosse 20 years ago or thereabouts - they wanted to be full scholarship and at the time the MAAC was a zero scholarship league. The Stags have played in the ECAC, Great Western Lacrosse League and now the CAA.

Over the years the MAAC increased lax investment and it's now at the D1 maximum. The MAAC didn't call Fairfield back home because them leaving the CAA would have dropped that conference under the 6-team threshold and the MAAC thought that wasn't an ethical thing to do to another league.

Thanks - makes sense.

(04-04-2022 06:05 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 05:54 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  some Division I men's lacrosse realignment news - effective next season.

Southern Conference is closing up shop. Hampton to the CAA as part of their all-sports move, Jacksonville back home to the ASUN and taking Mercer with them. VMI returning to the MAAC, where it played back when the other Keydets teams were in the Big South.

Richmond will be part of the new Atlantic 10 men's lacrosse lineup, along with Saint Joseph's, UMass and St. Bonaventure. The remaining SoCon team, High Point, is expected to be offered A10 affiliate membership. If so the A10 will still need one more team to take ownership of the SoCon's AQ berth. Fairfield and Hobart have been rumored. Even though the AQ minimum is 6, there's no harm having 7 or more for ease of scheduling.

A lot of shuffling.

Lindenwood will need a home in 2023 as well.

They'll be in the ASun.

(04-04-2022 09:43 PM)Inkblot Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 06:05 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 05:54 PM)HatterFan Wrote:  some Division I men's lacrosse realignment news - effective next season.

Southern Conference is closing up shop. Hampton to the CAA as part of their all-sports move, Jacksonville back home to the ASUN and taking Mercer with them. VMI returning to the MAAC, where it played back when the other Keydets teams were in the Big South.

Richmond will be part of the new Atlantic 10 men's lacrosse lineup, along with Saint Joseph's, UMass and St. Bonaventure. The remaining SoCon team, High Point, is expected to be offered A10 affiliate membership. If so the A10 will still need one more team to take ownership of the SoCon's AQ berth. Fairfield and Hobart have been rumored. Even though the AQ minimum is 6, there's no harm having 7 or more for ease of scheduling.

A lot of shuffling.

Lindenwood will need a home in 2023 as well.

They'll be in the ASun.

They need a few more schools and they can add a league without pulling the rug out from another conference.

MAAC: Should bring Fairfield back in to keep at 6.
NEC: Needs Hobart to stay at 6.

Horizon: Detroit Mercy, Cleveland State, Robert Morris, Lindenwood, AFA. Utah.

ASUN: Bellarmine, Jacksonville, Mercer, High Point, VMI +

A10: UMass, St.Bona, St.Joe's, Richmond ++

New NAIA Members announced this morning:

Indiana University Purdue University Columbus (IUPUC),
North American University (Texas),
Oakwood University (Ala.)
Southern University at New Orleans (La.)

http://www.victorysportsnetwork.com/Clip...embers.htm

I really haven't had a chance to digest these yet...

(04-12-2022 01:35 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  New NAIA Members announced this morning:

Indiana University Purdue University Columbus (IUPUC),
North American University (Texas),
Oakwood University (Ala.)
Southern University at New Orleans (La.)

http://www.victorysportsnetwork.com/Clip...embers.htm

I really haven't had a chance to digest these yet...

The article says that Southern and IUPUC are starting or restarting athletics, but what about the other two? Were they NCAA or not affiliated prior to this announcement?

(04-12-2022 01:35 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  New NAIA Members announced this morning:

Indiana University Purdue University Columbus (IUPUC),
North American University (Texas),
Oakwood University (Ala.)
Southern University at New Orleans (La.)

http://www.victorysportsnetwork.com/Clip...embers.htm

I really haven't had a chance to digest these yet...

Everybody kept putting me down about North American University, and they compared them to University of Fort Lauderdale. I wonder if they are an associate member or full member?

(04-12-2022 02:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-12-2022 01:35 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  New NAIA Members announced this morning:

Indiana University Purdue University Columbus (IUPUC),
North American University (Texas),
Oakwood University (Ala.)
Southern University at New Orleans (La.)

http://www.victorysportsnetwork.com/Clip...embers.htm

I really haven't had a chance to digest these yet...

Everybody kept putting me down about North American University, and they compared them to University of Fort Lauderdale. I wonder if they are an associate member or full member?

OK, gotten the scoop from the NAIA on this.

North American are Associate Members, ineligible for post season NAIA play. It is up to their conference whether they are eligible for conference post season. Schools can apply for and receive Associate Memberships as long as they have APPLIED for regional acceditation.

(04-12-2022 03:52 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  

(04-12-2022 02:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-12-2022 01:35 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  New NAIA Members announced this morning:

Indiana University Purdue University Columbus (IUPUC),
North American University (Texas),
Oakwood University (Ala.)
Southern University at New Orleans (La.)

http://www.victorysportsnetwork.com/Clip...embers.htm

I really haven't had a chance to digest these yet...

Everybody kept putting me down about North American University, and they compared them to University of Fort Lauderdale. I wonder if they are an associate member or full member?

OK, gotten the scoop from the NAIA on this.

North American are Associate Members, ineligible for post season NAIA play. It is up to their conference whether they are eligible for conference post season. Schools can apply for and receive Associate Memberships as long as they have APPLIED for regional acceditation.

what conferences will they join? All have bball? Southern goes back to the conf they were in?

(04-12-2022 02:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-12-2022 01:35 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  New NAIA Members announced this morning:

Indiana University Purdue University Columbus (IUPUC),
North American University (Texas),
Oakwood University (Ala.)
Southern University at New Orleans (La.)

http://www.victorysportsnetwork.com/Clip...embers.htm

I really haven't had a chance to digest these yet...

Everybody kept putting me down about North American University, and they compared them to University of Fort Lauderdale. I wonder if they are an associate member or full member?

You called North American several years ago.

Without checking, I would imagine North American has either applied for regional accreditation or intends to shortly. Without some movement on the accrediting front, I do not believe the NAIA would accept them as associate members. It’s a very new university and I see no reason for them not to be accredited when they do apply. It appears reasonably well funded, and that’s often a huge hang up in even applying.

I would expect NAU to affiliate with the RRAC like Paul Quinn.