our government is full of charlatans and simpletons. i swear to god id move to the faroe islands if they would have me.

Hard to argue with him.

No idea WTH happened to actual operational budget(s), the dozen appropriation bills that had to be passed one at a time.

Now we just get these behemoth dumpsters where Swamp critters can stick all kinds of crap in there. Not a single one of them have read this entire monstrosity.

Just begs for abuse.

he's not wrong.....

w/o term limits, it's unconquerable....

trust me....his face looks like mine right now.....

it's disgusting what they're doing and have for many a decade now......

it'll all come to a head one day.....and it's not that far down the road.....

I'm disgusted.

700 Billion dollars in military spending. That is ridiculous and wasteful. What happened to the 600 Billion plus that was spent last year. Or the year before or the year before that. Could you imagine what kind of road and rail system America would have it we just spent only one years worth of that type of spending on it.

(03-23-2018 06:45 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  700 Billion dollars in military spending. That is ridiculous and wasteful. What happened to the 600 Billion plus that was spent last year. Or the year before or the year before that. Could you imagine what kind of road and rail system America would have it we just spent only one years worth of that type of spending on it.

The problem is that we are putting so much effort into no-win, no-matter wars in the Middle East. We actually are not maintaining a military force that is capable of meeting all the other demands we place on it. We need to spend smarter.

(03-23-2018 06:45 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  700 Billion dollars in military spending. That is ridiculous and wasteful. What happened to the 600 Billion plus that was spent last year. Or the year before or the year before that. Could you imagine what kind of road and rail system America would have it we just spent only one years worth of that type of spending on it.

you read my mind....this is why I firmly believe Ike was the last one with a clue....

(03-23-2018 06:58 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 06:45 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  700 Billion dollars in military spending. That is ridiculous and wasteful. What happened to the 600 Billion plus that was spent last year. Or the year before or the year before that. Could you imagine what kind of road and rail system America would have it we just spent only one years worth of that type of spending on it.

The problem is that we are putting so much effort into no-win, no-matter wars in the Middle East. We actually are not maintaining a military force that is capable of meeting all the other demands we place on it. We need to spend smarter.

there's a way to win that war.....it's simply the world wouldn't like it.....

so yeah, we're simply wasting money on bs......

we've become the 21st century british empire....

once the USD collapses, #chaos will become the norm once again....

(03-23-2018 07:15 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 06:58 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 06:45 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  700 Billion dollars in military spending. That is ridiculous and wasteful. What happened to the 600 Billion plus that was spent last year. Or the year before or the year before that. Could you imagine what kind of road and rail system America would have it we just spent only one years worth of that type of spending on it.

The problem is that we are putting so much effort into no-win, no-matter wars in the Middle East. We actually are not maintaining a military force that is capable of meeting all the other demands we place on it. We need to spend smarter.

there's a way to win that war.....it's simply the world wouldn't like it.....

so yeah, we're simply wasting money on bs......

we've become the 21st century british empire....

once the USD collapses, #chaos will become the norm once again....

Not sure if you’re suggesting go nuke or not, I wouldn’t be in favor of that either. Ever.

BUT. If we’re f#%^*ing going in, GO IN!

A-holes? Here we come, buckle up, hombres! We coulda been in and out of Iraq in weeks, not years.

Love him or hate him, I’ve known both, but H.W. drove the highly touted “Republican Guard” into the ground in a couple weeks and 100 hours on the ground.

Problem is/was he didn’t finish the job then. Cost him his job instead.

Either get after it like we mean it, or don’t go in at all. We’ve learned nothing since 1945 or so...

(03-22-2018 04:23 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

Who is the other genuine cutter?

(03-23-2018 07:42 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 07:15 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 06:58 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 06:45 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  700 Billion dollars in military spending. That is ridiculous and wasteful. What happened to the 600 Billion plus that was spent last year. Or the year before or the year before that. Could you imagine what kind of road and rail system America would have it we just spent only one years worth of that type of spending on it.

The problem is that we are putting so much effort into no-win, no-matter wars in the Middle East. We actually are not maintaining a military force that is capable of meeting all the other demands we place on it. We need to spend smarter.

there's a way to win that war.....it's simply the world wouldn't like it.....

so yeah, we're simply wasting money on bs......

we've become the 21st century british empire....

once the USD collapses, #chaos will become the norm once again....

Not sure if you’re suggesting go nuke or not, I wouldn’t be in favor of that either. Ever.

BUT. If we’re f#%^*ing going in, GO IN!

A-holes? Here we come, buckle up, hombres! We coulda been in and out of Iraq in weeks, not years.

Love him or hate him, I’ve known both, but H.W. drove the highly touted “Republican Guard” into the ground in a couple weeks and 100 hours on the ground.

Problem is/was he didn’t finish the job then. Cost him his job instead.

Either get after it like we mean it, or don’t go in at all. We’ve learned nothing since 1945 or so...

look at it like this....

people die in war....

why are the brits essentially a shell of their former self.....

pick your poison.....somebody will one day....right now, I see the muslims winning the game of 'pussified' attrition....

when you got 'em by the balls you squeeze 'em tighter.....you don't play tiddly winks and hope for the best....

Truman knew it.....he knew they wouldn't succumb to any form of pressure other than that.....that's why he did it....

#sandtoglass is the only answer.....it simply doesn't matter if you like it or not....

you either let them duke it out or take care of business....what you don't do is korea, vietnam, irag, afganistan, etc.....that's just fk'n stupid....

(03-23-2018 07:52 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 07:42 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 07:15 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 06:58 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 06:45 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  700 Billion dollars in military spending. That is ridiculous and wasteful. What happened to the 600 Billion plus that was spent last year. Or the year before or the year before that. Could you imagine what kind of road and rail system America would have it we just spent only one years worth of that type of spending on it.

The problem is that we are putting so much effort into no-win, no-matter wars in the Middle East. We actually are not maintaining a military force that is capable of meeting all the other demands we place on it. We need to spend smarter.

there's a way to win that war.....it's simply the world wouldn't like it.....

so yeah, we're simply wasting money on bs......

we've become the 21st century british empire....

once the USD collapses, #chaos will become the norm once again....

Not sure if you’re suggesting go nuke or not, I wouldn’t be in favor of that either. Ever.

BUT. If we’re f#%^*ing going in, GO IN!

A-holes? Here we come, buckle up, hombres! We coulda been in and out of Iraq in weeks, not years.

Love him or hate him, I’ve known both, but H.W. drove the highly touted “Republican Guard” into the ground in a couple weeks and 100 hours on the ground.

Problem is/was he didn’t finish the job then. Cost him his job instead.

Either get after it like we mean it, or don’t go in at all. We’ve learned nothing since 1945 or so...

look at it like this....

people die in war....

why are the brits essentially a shell of their former self.....

pick your poison.....somebody will one day....right now, I see the muslims winning the game of 'pussified' attrition....

when you got 'em by the balls you squeeze 'em tighter.....you don't play tiddly winks and hope for the best....

Truman knew it.....he knew they wouldn't succumb to any form of pressure other than that.....that's why he did it....

#sandtoglass is the only answer.....it simply doesn't matter if you like it or not....

you either let them duke it out or take care of business....what you don't do is korea, vietnam, irag, afganistan, etc.....that's just fk'n stupid....

We don’t really disagree here I don’t think.

My point is simply we have “conventional” schit now that rivals that of Hiroshima. At least if we rain it down as we now can.

We’re no longer putting P-31’s or B-29’s on a flattop and waiting weeks for them to get within range, we can deliver that package in hours, instead.

I’m not in favor of these decades long “wars”, where we have no end in sight. Rather we just stayed out.

But, again, if we’re going in, daisy cutter, MOAB, whatever means necessary. Then get out.

Let’s face it, we coulda dispensed with these ISIS azzholes in a couple of weeks if we wanted/decided to.

Going nuke just cracks the door WIIIIIDE open to all sorts of bad actors. We’ve got a big enough stick without going there.

(03-23-2018 08:20 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 07:52 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 07:42 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 07:15 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 06:58 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The problem is that we are putting so much effort into no-win, no-matter wars in the Middle East. We actually are not maintaining a military force that is capable of meeting all the other demands we place on it. We need to spend smarter.

there's a way to win that war.....it's simply the world wouldn't like it.....

so yeah, we're simply wasting money on bs......

we've become the 21st century british empire....

once the USD collapses, #chaos will become the norm once again....

Not sure if you’re suggesting go nuke or not, I wouldn’t be in favor of that either. Ever.

BUT. If we’re f#%^*ing going in, GO IN!

A-holes? Here we come, buckle up, hombres! We coulda been in and out of Iraq in weeks, not years.

Love him or hate him, I’ve known both, but H.W. drove the highly touted “Republican Guard” into the ground in a couple weeks and 100 hours on the ground.

Problem is/was he didn’t finish the job then. Cost him his job instead.

Either get after it like we mean it, or don’t go in at all. We’ve learned nothing since 1945 or so...

look at it like this....

people die in war....

why are the brits essentially a shell of their former self.....

pick your poison.....somebody will one day....right now, I see the muslims winning the game of 'pussified' attrition....

when you got 'em by the balls you squeeze 'em tighter.....you don't play tiddly winks and hope for the best....

Truman knew it.....he knew they wouldn't succumb to any form of pressure other than that.....that's why he did it....

#sandtoglass is the only answer.....it simply doesn't matter if you like it or not....

you either let them duke it out or take care of business....what you don't do is korea, vietnam, irag, afganistan, etc.....that's just fk'n stupid....

We don’t really disagree here I don’t think.

My point is simply we have “conventional” schit now that rivals that of Hiroshima. At least if we rain it down as we now can.

We’re no longer putting P-31’s or B-29’s on a flattop and waiting weeks for them to get within range, we can deliver that package in hours, instead.

I’m not in favor of these decades long “wars”, where we have no end in sight. Rather we just stayed out.

But, again, if we’re going in, daisy cutter, MOAB, whatever means necessary. Then get out.

Let’s face it, we coulda dispensed with these ISIS azzholes in a couple of weeks if we wanted/decided to.

Going nuke just cracks the door WIIIIIDE open to all sorts of bad actors. We’ve got a big enough stick without going there.

in no way was I implying DJT go on a 'red button' rampage.....

it's how it's tied to the OP's/Rand's premise....

it's what's so discouraging 'why' we got to this point and continue to do such....

the amount of money being wasted abroad relative to what could be accomplished internally is off the charts insane....

so yeah, we do agree.....but when push comes to shove (and it will one day in that region), no more artsy fartsy tactics is the only rule in my playbook once economic sanctions no longer work....

ref: see ol' N(u)K(e) Kimmy tub-0-goo hair gel boy.....

veto this piece of **** bill

(03-23-2018 08:43 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  veto this piece of **** bill

completely agree.....but he won't

that would be a major coup if he did relative to #swamp....which he also ran on (increase military spending)

if he signs this one, like the tariff move, I'm not going to be happy.....

(03-23-2018 08:32 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 08:20 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 07:52 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 07:42 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 07:15 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  there's a way to win that war.....it's simply the world wouldn't like it.....

so yeah, we're simply wasting money on bs......

we've become the 21st century british empire....

once the USD collapses, #chaos will become the norm once again....

Not sure if you’re suggesting go nuke or not, I wouldn’t be in favor of that either. Ever.

BUT. If we’re f#%^*ing going in, GO IN!

A-holes? Here we come, buckle up, hombres! We coulda been in and out of Iraq in weeks, not years.

Love him or hate him, I’ve known both, but H.W. drove the highly touted “Republican Guard” into the ground in a couple weeks and 100 hours on the ground.

Problem is/was he didn’t finish the job then. Cost him his job instead.

Either get after it like we mean it, or don’t go in at all. We’ve learned nothing since 1945 or so...

look at it like this....

people die in war....

why are the brits essentially a shell of their former self.....

pick your poison.....somebody will one day....right now, I see the muslims winning the game of 'pussified' attrition....

when you got 'em by the balls you squeeze 'em tighter.....you don't play tiddly winks and hope for the best....

Truman knew it.....he knew they wouldn't succumb to any form of pressure other than that.....that's why he did it....

#sandtoglass is the only answer.....it simply doesn't matter if you like it or not....

you either let them duke it out or take care of business....what you don't do is korea, vietnam, irag, afganistan, etc.....that's just fk'n stupid....

We don’t really disagree here I don’t think.

My point is simply we have “conventional” schit now that rivals that of Hiroshima. At least if we rain it down as we now can.

We’re no longer putting P-31’s or B-29’s on a flattop and waiting weeks for them to get within range, we can deliver that package in hours, instead.

I’m not in favor of these decades long “wars”, where we have no end in sight. Rather we just stayed out.

But, again, if we’re going in, daisy cutter, MOAB, whatever means necessary. Then get out.

Let’s face it, we coulda dispensed with these ISIS azzholes in a couple of weeks if we wanted/decided to.

Going nuke just cracks the door WIIIIIDE open to all sorts of bad actors. We’ve got a big enough stick without going there.

in no way was I implying DJT go on a 'red button' rampage.....

it's how it's tied to the OP's/Rand's premise....

it's what's so discouraging 'why' we got to this point and continue to do such....

the amount of money being wasted abroad relative to what could be accomplished internally is off the charts insane....

so yeah, we do agree.....but when push comes to shove (and it will one day in that region), no more artsy fartsy tactics is the only rule in my playbook once economic sanctions no longer work....

ref: see ol' N(u)K(e) Kimmy tub-0-goo hair gel boy.....

Yea, we’re on the same page.

Maybe not the same paragraph or sentence, but the same page.

Now, of course, if fat boy decides to “escalate”, well then. Yea. Glass parking lot time...

We need to stop empire building and bring everyone home. Screw the United Nations. Let the world go into chaos if it has to. We should be focused on domestic and regional issues. Let China and Russia deal with the middle east for a few decades.

(03-23-2018 10:47 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  We need to stop empire building and bring everyone home. Screw the United Nations. Let the world go into chaos if it has to. We should be focused on domestic and regional issues. Let China and Russia deal with the middle east for a few decades.

XACLY! let them eat their own or figure out how to handle business in relative terms by paying homage to the USD.....

all we're doing is wasting money trying to change the world the wrong way.....

we got 'em by the balls.....why in the heyall would you handle it any other way.....

Heard that Trump rejected the Bill because there is no DACA and no funding for the wall...