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(03-21-2018 01:41 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:50 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  Heard X is trying to put together a package paying him $3.2M which is double his current salary

If true, they must be banking on a couple of major donors to underwrite the deal. Coaching at this level is a different gig--truly "up or out" so many times.

So say Mack takes that deal to stay at his home school, X drops back next season and misses the Tournament and then loses in the first round the following year. Would he then be getting a $5-6 million offer somewhere else, with his seat getting hotter in Norwood? Probably not.

We fans can lament lack of loyalty all we want but if it's my career, with the stroke of a pen today I can create generational wealth for my family for decades to come. And if ego drives the bus, winning that NCAA title at Louisville looks a lot easier than it does at a small, private university up the road that's never reached a Final Four.

Yep. I laugh at fans who want loyalty but would fire a coach after on tournament miss. The climate makes it so you almost have to take that job when offered.

(03-22-2018 07:25 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 07:20 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 06:03 AM)Ring of Black Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 05:32 PM)dsquare Wrote:  Whomever gets that Pitt job has the true rebuild, no players, and no wins last year in conference. Wow, so much for going to the ACC.

Only one less player than UC had on Mick's arrival, and in a conference which was basically almost as good then as the ACC is now.

Which is exactly why I think Mick should be an obvious target for them. He's proven that he can rebuild a totally destroyed program.

If Mick took the Pitt job, I think that could be a win win for all. I think he would do a nice job there and get them back to respectability, making the tournament and getting 6-8 seeds most years.

At that point we should go all in on Musselman. He is only getting paid $300K right now, and UC could seriously upgrade that salary. Even if he is only here for 4 or 5 years, he could do wonders here. He is an OH native, so this isnt foreign territory to him.

Wait, what?

So this guy is something great now? If UC plays the whole game sunday this guy absorbs a 20 point a** whipping and takes his 24-8 MWC team back to obscurity.

If Cronin leaves, which he is not, I'd think we could do better than muscle man.

(03-22-2018 09:34 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 07:25 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 07:20 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 06:03 AM)Ring of Black Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 05:32 PM)dsquare Wrote:  Whomever gets that Pitt job has the true rebuild, no players, and no wins last year in conference. Wow, so much for going to the ACC.

Only one less player than UC had on Mick's arrival, and in a conference which was basically almost as good then as the ACC is now.

Which is exactly why I think Mick should be an obvious target for them. He's proven that he can rebuild a totally destroyed program.

If Mick took the Pitt job, I think that could be a win win for all. I think he would do a nice job there and get them back to respectability, making the tournament and getting 6-8 seeds most years.

At that point we should go all in on Musselman. He is only getting paid $300K right now, and UC could seriously upgrade that salary. Even if he is only here for 4 or 5 years, he could do wonders here. He is an OH native, so this isnt foreign territory to him.

Wait, what?

So this guy is something great now? If UC plays the whole game sunday this guy absorbs a 20 point a** whipping and takes his 24-8 MWC team back to obscurity.

If Cronin leaves, which he is not, I'd think we could do better than muscle man.

I'm for keeping Mick at the moment, but even without the result of coming back and beating UC I think Mussellman is absolutely a guy I'd be interested in as head coach. I posted this on the other thread:

Before he got to Nevada here were the three prior seasons:
2013: 12-19
2014: 15-17
2015: 9-22

In his 3 seasons:
2016: 24-14 (won the CBI)
2017: 28-7 (12 seed in NCAAs)
2018: 29-7 (7 seed, sweet 16 and counting)

He also has NBA head coaching experience and local ties.

Funny Mick and Mack have virtually identical records over the last 8 years. I believe our average seed and Sagarin/Kenpoms/BPI are slightly better and Mick has had bigger barriers to success. Only difference in their resume is second weekend tourney runs the difference in which also is equal to the number of lower seeded teams they've got to face in the second round. Mack is getting a massive promotion and raise and we're talking about Mick's replacements. Only at UC.

Why does anyone think Musselman is leaving the West Coast? He's making over a million at Nevada (with no state income tax I believe) with that entire team coming back for next year (possibly preseason top ten). Nevada will probably find a way to take him up to $2M after the tournament and then if his team performs up to expectations in the following year or two, he just sits and waits for the right PAC job to open up. If he leaves the West Coast, it'll be to take an NBA job.

(03-22-2018 09:39 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:34 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 07:25 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 07:20 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 06:03 AM)Ring of Black Wrote:  Only one less player than UC had on Mick's arrival, and in a conference which was basically almost as good then as the ACC is now.

Which is exactly why I think Mick should be an obvious target for them. He's proven that he can rebuild a totally destroyed program.

If Mick took the Pitt job, I think that could be a win win for all. I think he would do a nice job there and get them back to respectability, making the tournament and getting 6-8 seeds most years.

At that point we should go all in on Musselman. He is only getting paid $300K right now, and UC could seriously upgrade that salary. Even if he is only here for 4 or 5 years, he could do wonders here. He is an OH native, so this isnt foreign territory to him.

Wait, what?

So this guy is something great now? If UC plays the whole game sunday this guy absorbs a 20 point a** whipping and takes his 24-8 MWC team back to obscurity.

If Cronin leaves, which he is not, I'd think we could do better than muscle man.

I'm for keeping Mick at the moment, but even without the result of coming back and beating UC I think Mussellman is absolutely a guy I'd be interested in as head coach. I posted this on the other thread:

Before he got to Nevada here were the three prior seasons:
2013: 12-19
2014: 15-17
2015: 9-22

In his 3 seasons:
2016: 24-14 (won the CBI)
2017: 28-7 (12 seed in NCAAs)
2018: 29-7 (7 seed, sweet 16 and counting)

He also has NBA head coaching experience and local ties.

I'd take him in a heartbeat. Did you guys happen to see the adoration he got from his squad? Yeah, sure......it could be something similar like that behind the scenes at UC, but i kinda doubt it. I'll take a personality upgrade at this point.

But yeah....Mick ain't going nowhere. Cincy just ain't that type of demanding program. We're going to continue rolling with him for a few more years. In those years, i suspect we'll get more of the same. Big win totals, no post season big wins.





mc

(03-22-2018 08:18 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  We aren't lucky enough for Mack to leave X. He's going to leverage the UL offer into a mega counter from X. Why would you want to leave the big east for UL right now? Right or wrong the BE is considered a top 3 bball conference, it is significantly easier to win the Big East than the ACC, great fans and half the pressure at X.

Can X afford a "mega" counteroffer? This happens in business all the time with the question asked, "If I'm worth $3 million now, why wasn't I earning it before Louisville came calling?".

The new Big East has been competitive and Villanova truly has a national program right now. After that, a shaky #1 seed X bowed out the first weekend with the rest of the conference's also rans. To me, it's in no way comparable to the ACC in terms of history, prestige, revenue, profile and reputation. So I would suggest most coaches in the Big East (or the American for that matter) would run, not walk, to a premier ACC job.

Mack may stay. But as an X alum he'll never say after leaving that he felt he took the program as far as it could go. Reality is, he may feel earning a #1 seed and top five rating is as good as it will ever get on Victory Parkway. And that's his real reason. More money ain't bad either.

(03-22-2018 09:47 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Funny Mick and Mack have virtually identical records over the last 8 years. I believe our average seed and Sagarin/Kenpoms/BPI are slightly better and Mick has had bigger barriers to success. Only difference in their resume is second weekend tourney runs the difference in which also is equal to the number of lower seeded teams they've got to face in the second round. Mack is getting a massive promotion and raise and we're talking about Mick's replacements. Only at UC.

Well, let's see. CBB is fine and all, but in reality the real world only cares about it for a few weeks out of the year. March Madness animates a fanbase in a way that college football does on a weekly basis. If you succeed when all eyes are on your team you likely drive dollars in a way that simply don't get during the regular season. As such, it's completely logical that those Ws weigh more heavily than Mick's regular season Ws. No one but us super sports nerds know/ care/ gaf about things like average seed, Sagarin/ Kenpoms/ BPI or regular season average win totals.






mc

(03-22-2018 09:47 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Funny Mick and Mack have virtually identical records over the last 8 years. I believe our average seed and Sagarin/Kenpoms/BPI are slightly better and Mick has had bigger barriers to success. Only difference in their resume is second weekend tourney runs the difference in which also is equal to the number of lower seeded teams they've got to face in the second round. Mack is getting a massive promotion and raise and we're talking about Mick's replacements. Only at UC.

You are leaving out one HUGE difference in their resumes, bud

(03-22-2018 09:47 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Funny Mick and Mack have virtually identical records over the last 8 years. I believe our average seed and Sagarin/Kenpoms/BPI are slightly better and Mick has had bigger barriers to success. Only difference in their resume is second weekend tourney runs the difference in which also is equal to the number of lower seeded teams they've got to face in the second round. Mack is getting a massive promotion and raise and we're talking about Mick's replacements. Only at UC.

I get your point of view, that some metrics indicate that Cronin and Mack are pretty similar in terms of results. However, there are some key differences (like recruiting, NCAA Tournament results, style of play, etc). It's those differences that explain why Mack is being courted by UL and Cronin was being courted by UNLV.

The biggest programs know which coach they would prefer, and it isn't Mick. There has to be a reason for that.

(03-22-2018 10:14 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:47 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Funny Mick and Mack have virtually identical records over the last 8 years. I believe our average seed and Sagarin/Kenpoms/BPI are slightly better and Mick has had bigger barriers to success. Only difference in their resume is second weekend tourney runs the difference in which also is equal to the number of lower seeded teams they've got to face in the second round. Mack is getting a massive promotion and raise and we're talking about Mick's replacements. Only at UC.

I get your point of view, that some metrics indicate that Cronin and Mack are pretty similar in terms of results. However, there are some key differences (like recruiting, NCAA Tournament results, style of play, etc). It's those differences that explain why Mack is being courted by UL and Cronin was being courted by UNLV.

The biggest programs know which coach they would prefer, and it isn't Mick. There has to be a reason for that.

Go check out another teams message board next time they have a job opening, they'll throw out a list of coaches names 20 long, and Mick is never mentioned. There is a reason for this.

(03-22-2018 10:03 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:47 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Funny Mick and Mack have virtually identical records over the last 8 years. I believe our average seed and Sagarin/Kenpoms/BPI are slightly better and Mick has had bigger barriers to success. Only difference in their resume is second weekend tourney runs the difference in which also is equal to the number of lower seeded teams they've got to face in the second round. Mack is getting a massive promotion and raise and we're talking about Mick's replacements. Only at UC.

You are leaving out one HUGE difference in their resumes, bud

Anyone else believe patience with Mick would have run out a lot sooner if UC had not been winning Big East football championships and bowl games during his early years? I believe for many UC fans, old and new, winning football in a BCS 6 conference and doing the unexpected by reaching the Orange and Sugar Bowls, bought even more time for a rebuild as basketball took a back seat for the first time in UC history. Any angst over Sunday's meltdown is simply the new poster child for concerns that have percolated among loyal fans for several years.

(03-22-2018 10:14 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:47 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Funny Mick and Mack have virtually identical records over the last 8 years. I believe our average seed and Sagarin/Kenpoms/BPI are slightly better and Mick has had bigger barriers to success. Only difference in their resume is second weekend tourney runs the difference in which also is equal to the number of lower seeded teams they've got to face in the second round. Mack is getting a massive promotion and raise and we're talking about Mick's replacements. Only at UC.

I get your point of view, that some metrics indicate that Cronin and Mack are pretty similar in terms of results. However, there are some key differences (like recruiting, NCAA Tournament results, style of play, etc). It's those differences that explain why Mack is being courted by UL and Cronin was being courted by UNLV.

The biggest programs know which coach they would prefer, and it isn't Mick. There has to be a reason for that.

For a winning high-major coach, Mick has had remarkably low interest from other programs.

(03-22-2018 10:27 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 10:14 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:47 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Funny Mick and Mack have virtually identical records over the last 8 years. I believe our average seed and Sagarin/Kenpoms/BPI are slightly better and Mick has had bigger barriers to success. Only difference in their resume is second weekend tourney runs the difference in which also is equal to the number of lower seeded teams they've got to face in the second round. Mack is getting a massive promotion and raise and we're talking about Mick's replacements. Only at UC.

I get your point of view, that some metrics indicate that Cronin and Mack are pretty similar in terms of results. However, there are some key differences (like recruiting, NCAA Tournament results, style of play, etc). It's those differences that explain why Mack is being courted by UL and Cronin was being courted by UNLV.

The biggest programs know which coach they would prefer, and it isn't Mick. There has to be a reason for that.

For a winning high-major coach, Mick has had remarkably low interest from other programs.

Uninteresting (to the masses) style of play, no public persona, poor relationships with media, lower-level recruiting...it's pretty easy to see why that's the case.

I wouldn't touch Musselman with a ten foot pole. He is a snake and by far the most hated coach in the Mountain West. He is considered a scumbag by his fellow coaches nationally as well and Nevada will be in trouble with the NCAA soon enough.

(03-22-2018 10:34 AM)Loco Bearcat Wrote:  I wouldn't touch Musselman with a ten foot pole. He is a snake and by far the most hated coach in the Mountain West. He is considered a scumbag by his fellow coaches nationally as well and Nevada will be in trouble with the NCAA soon enough.

Meh, isnt that what we all said about Calipari in the CUSA days. ACC fans all hate K and thinks he is a scumbag. Which successful college coach doesnt have his list of detractors? Maybe Jay Wright? I can't think of many.

(03-22-2018 10:43 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 10:34 AM)Loco Bearcat Wrote:  I wouldn't touch Musselman with a ten foot pole. He is a snake and by far the most hated coach in the Mountain West. He is considered a scumbag by his fellow coaches nationally as well and Nevada will be in trouble with the NCAA soon enough.

Meh, isnt that what we all said about Calipari in the CUSA days. ACC fans all hate K and thinks he is a scumbag. Which successful college coach doesnt have his list of detractors? Maybe Jay Wright? I can't think of many.

Tony Bennett. My dad's a Hokie and even though Bennett is a Wahoo, he's a tough guy to dislike.

WLW is reporting that Mick is Louisville's second choice. Anyone else hearing anything similar?

(03-22-2018 12:07 PM)The Big O Wrote:  WLW is reporting that Mick is Louisville's second choice. Anyone else hearing anything similar?

The fact they’re already moving down the list means Mack is staying.

it's being reported that mack & UL are officially meeting this weekend, and mack's bringing his agent.

seems like a done deal.