(03-17-2018 09:19 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Seems like the atheists should be concerned with the evolution of the brain and not the body. In evolutionary terms, the digestive tract was first and “everything else” sprung from that. Regarding humans (as the atheist believe) “religion” was integral from the time of recognition.

Ironic is it not?

Huh? The brain is part of the body and both evolved. No issue there.

(03-17-2018 09:34 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  Here's the article Dasville.

Quote:Researchers say that they have found the oldest Homo sapiens remains on record in an improbable place: Morocco.

At an archaeological site near the Atlantic coast, finds of skull, face and jaw bones identified as being from early members of our species have been dated to about 315,000 years ago. That indicates H. sapiens appeared more than 100,000 years earlier than thought: most researchers have placed the origins of our species in East Africa about 200,000 years ago.

The finds, which are published on 7 June in Nature do not mean that H. sapiens originated in North Africa. Instead, they suggest that the species' earliest members evolved all across the continent, scientists say.

https://www.nature.com/news/oldest-homo-...ry-1.22114

Thank you TR! So would it be accurate to say that we have only “adapted” over the last 315,000 years? If we reverse engineer that......

When is the last time HS actually “evolved”?

(03-17-2018 09:41 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:19 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Seems like the atheists should be concerned with the evolution of the brain and not the body. In evolutionary terms, the digestive tract was first and “everything else” sprung from that. Regarding humans (as the atheist believe) “religion” was integral from the time of recognition.

Ironic is it not?

Huh? The brain is part of the body and both evolved. No issue there.

Which came first biologically according to evolution , the brain or the digestive tract?

(03-17-2018 09:48 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:41 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:19 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Seems like the atheists should be concerned with the evolution of the brain and not the body. In evolutionary terms, the digestive tract was first and “everything else” sprung from that. Regarding humans (as the atheist believe) “religion” was integral from the time of recognition.

Ironic is it not?

Huh? The brain is part of the body and both evolved. No issue there.

Which came first biologically according to evolution , the brain or the digestive tract?

Digestive tract, I believe.

(03-17-2018 09:41 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:34 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  Here's the article Dasville.

Quote:Researchers say that they have found the oldest Homo sapiens remains on record in an improbable place: Morocco.

At an archaeological site near the Atlantic coast, finds of skull, face and jaw bones identified as being from early members of our species have been dated to about 315,000 years ago. That indicates H. sapiens appeared more than 100,000 years earlier than thought: most researchers have placed the origins of our species in East Africa about 200,000 years ago.

The finds, which are published on 7 June in Nature do not mean that H. sapiens originated in North Africa. Instead, they suggest that the species' earliest members evolved all across the continent, scientists say.

https://www.nature.com/news/oldest-homo-...ry-1.22114

Thank you TR! So would it be accurate to say that we have only “adapted” over the last 315,000 years? If we reverse engineer that......

When is the last time HS actually “evolved”?

The fossil record is, at the same time, both complex and incomplete. I'm just a science buff and have always enjoyed learning about this stuff so by no means speak with any authority on the subject.

Again, the most widely held view is that "modern humans" evolved in E. Africa somewhere around 200,000 years ago and from there, in a series of waves, spread out over much of the globe. Those spreading into Europe encountered Neanderthals and those moving farther east into Asia, as proven by DNA studies, encountered Denosivans. Some nominal level of interbreeding took place, particularly with Neanderthals, giving rise to today's populations.

As for your specific question about human evolution, I would contend that we're still evolving today. If your question refers to the likely "oldest known" modern-day type of human, someone you'd not notice on the street if dressed and groomed, based on what I've read, I would go out on a limb say that that person may have originated as long as 350,000 years ago.

That's a SWAG by the way.....a scientific-wild-ass-guess.

(03-17-2018 09:51 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:48 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:41 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:19 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Seems like the atheists should be concerned with the evolution of the brain and not the body. In evolutionary terms, the digestive tract was first and “everything else” sprung from that. Regarding humans (as the atheist believe) “religion” was integral from the time of recognition.

Ironic is it not?

Huh? The brain is part of the body and both evolved. No issue there.

Which came first biologically according to evolution , the brain or the digestive tract?

Digestive tract, I believe.

That’s the **** right? And that’s true for EVERY living thing if your an atheist. Plant or animal. It’s energy consumption and waste removal. Your body is nothing more than your gut in that dynamic right? The brain was “built” to make choices to satisfy and enable the digestive tract right?

Isn’t THAT some ****!?!

(03-17-2018 09:57 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:51 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:48 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:41 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:19 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Seems like the atheists should be concerned with the evolution of the brain and not the body. In evolutionary terms, the digestive tract was first and “everything else” sprung from that. Regarding humans (as the atheist believe) “religion” was integral from the time of recognition.

Ironic is it not?

Huh? The brain is part of the body and both evolved. No issue there.

Which came first biologically according to evolution , the brain or the digestive tract?

Digestive tract, I believe.

That’s the **** right? And that’s true for EVERY living thing if your an atheist. Plant or animal. It’s energy consumption and waste removal. Your body is nothing more than your gut in that dynamic right? The brain was “built” to make choices to satisfy and enable the digestive tract right?

Isn’t THAT some ****!?!

Or, in so many words, one could say the brain was "built" to give the organism a competitive edge, as in, it's better to eat than be eaten.

(03-17-2018 09:57 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:51 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:48 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:41 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:19 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Seems like the atheists should be concerned with the evolution of the brain and not the body. In evolutionary terms, the digestive tract was first and “everything else” sprung from that. Regarding humans (as the atheist believe) “religion” was integral from the time of recognition.

Ironic is it not?

Huh? The brain is part of the body and both evolved. No issue there.

Which came first biologically according to evolution , the brain or the digestive tract?

Digestive tract, I believe.

That’s the **** right? And that’s true for EVERY living thing if your an atheist. Plant or animal. It’s energy consumption and waste removal. Your body is nothing more than your gut in that dynamic right? The brain was “built” to make choices to satisfy and enable the digestive tract right?

Isn’t THAT some ****!?!

I wouldn't call it a concern. It's less of a concern than trying to explain the logical problems with most people's religions.

(03-17-2018 10:02 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:57 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:51 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:48 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:41 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Huh? The brain is part of the body and both evolved. No issue there.

Which came first biologically according to evolution , the brain or the digestive tract?

Digestive tract, I believe.

That’s the **** right? And that’s true for EVERY living thing if your an atheist. Plant or animal. It’s energy consumption and waste removal. Your body is nothing more than your gut in that dynamic right? The brain was “built” to make choices to satisfy and enable the digestive tract right?

Isn’t THAT some ****!?!

Or, in so many words, one could say the brain was "built" to give the organism a competitive edge, as in, it's better to eat than be eaten.

Do plants have a digestive tract? Again, if you wrap your brain around that ****, that means your decisions, “right now” has a much greater impact than atheist would have you to believe. This earth indeed, is much younger than the atheist would have you believe.

Bill Nye proves the young Earth argument.

Incredible irony!

(03-17-2018 10:08 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 10:02 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:57 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:51 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:48 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Which came first biologically according to evolution , the brain or the digestive tract?

Digestive tract, I believe.

That’s the **** right? And that’s true for EVERY living thing if your an atheist. Plant or animal. It’s energy consumption and waste removal. Your body is nothing more than your gut in that dynamic right? The brain was “built” to make choices to satisfy and enable the digestive tract right?

Isn’t THAT some ****!?!

Or, in so many words, one could say the brain was "built" to give the organism a competitive edge, as in, it's better to eat than be eaten.

Do plants have a digestive tract? Again, if you wrap your brain around that ****, that means your decisions, “right now” has a much greater impact than atheist would have you to believe. This earth indeed, is much younger than the atheist would have you believe.

Bill Nye proves the young Earth argument.

Incredible irony!

I would normally characterize a digestive tract as having an entrance and an exit. From that standpoint, no, plants do not have a digestive tract, though they obviously process CO2 and in-ground nutrients.

(03-17-2018 10:12 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 10:08 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 10:02 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:57 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:51 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Digestive tract, I believe.

That’s the **** right? And that’s true for EVERY living thing if your an atheist. Plant or animal. It’s energy consumption and waste removal. Your body is nothing more than your gut in that dynamic right? The brain was “built” to make choices to satisfy and enable the digestive tract right?

Isn’t THAT some ****!?!

Or, in so many words, one could say the brain was "built" to give the organism a competitive edge, as in, it's better to eat than be eaten.

Do plants have a digestive tract? Again, if you wrap your brain around that ****, that means your decisions, “right now” has a much greater impact than atheist would have you to believe. This earth indeed, is much younger than the atheist would have you believe.

Bill Nye proves the young Earth argument.

Incredible irony!

I would normally characterize a digestive tract as having an entrance and an exit. From that standpoint, no, plants do not have a digestive tract, though they obviously process CO2 and in-ground nutrients.

So plants produce their own food and are “grounded” to the Earth in some way. When was the “break” from the Earth that allowed mobility? How long did that take?

Take a knee and rectify this........

Bill Naye argues that humans “speed up” environmental conditions yet also denies a “young earth”.

It’s just “what we are doing today!”

What an Economyth he is!

Bill Naye himself has separated “man” from Earth.
That arrogant son of a ***** (evolutionary SPEAKING)

Can we understand ANYTHING without language?

Surely the Economyth argues that the brain evolved to support the digestive tract. It could be that the brain “developed” after other organs. In evolution, you HAVE to account for EVERYTHING. If not, you are just going by faith. That faith might be short (young) sighted.

Bill Nye, can be argued, is not a “science” guy. He is just moving waste through language. He admits a young Earth. What a prophet.

(03-17-2018 09:19 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:10 AM)Dasville Wrote:  How old is the oldest confirmed remains of humans as we consider them today? 10,000 years?

Much, much older Dasville. N. America is believed to be the last continent inhabited by modern humans and there's evidence they were here well before the end of the ice age which was about 10,000 years ago.

It's thought that humans, as we know them today, Homo sapiens, evolved about 200,000 years ago in E. Africa. That's based on fossil evidence.

Having said that, I believe I read recently that somewhere in N. W. Africa there was a discovery of fossil remans that pushed back the date of Homo sapiens another 100,000 years or so. I'll see if I can find the article.

Yeah, that find in North Africa, if confirmed, throws out the long accepted East Africa origin hypothesis.

Maybe anthropologists just had more promising geological formations in East Africa so they find more there. And DNA evidence had generally indicated an earlier age (but just because we all descended from one man or woman 150,000 years ago doesn't mean they were the first-other lines may have died out).https://www.livescience.com/38613-genetic-adam-and-eve-uncovered.html

(03-17-2018 09:54 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:41 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:34 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  Here's the article Dasville.

Quote:Researchers say that they have found the oldest Homo sapiens remains on record in an improbable place: Morocco.

At an archaeological site near the Atlantic coast, finds of skull, face and jaw bones identified as being from early members of our species have been dated to about 315,000 years ago. That indicates H. sapiens appeared more than 100,000 years earlier than thought: most researchers have placed the origins of our species in East Africa about 200,000 years ago.

The finds, which are published on 7 June in Nature do not mean that H. sapiens originated in North Africa. Instead, they suggest that the species' earliest members evolved all across the continent, scientists say.

https://www.nature.com/news/oldest-homo-...ry-1.22114

Thank you TR! So would it be accurate to say that we have only “adapted” over the last 315,000 years? If we reverse engineer that......

When is the last time HS actually “evolved”?

The fossil record is, at the same time, both complex and incomplete. I'm just a science buff and have always enjoyed learning about this stuff so by no means speak with any authority on the subject.

Again, the most widely held view is that "modern humans" evolved in E. Africa somewhere around 200,000 years ago and from there, in a series of waves, spread out over much of the globe. Those spreading into Europe encountered Neanderthals and those moving farther east into Asia, as proven by DNA studies, encountered Denosivans. Some nominal level of interbreeding took place, particularly with Neanderthals, giving rise to today's populations.

As for your specific question about human evolution, I would contend that we're still evolving today. If your question refers to the likely "oldest known" modern-day type of human, someone you'd not notice on the street if dressed and groomed, based on what I've read, I would go out on a limb say that that person may have originated as long as 350,000 years ago.

That's a SWAG by the way.....a scientific-wild-ass-guess.

Spencer Wells, "The Journey of Man" is an interesting read on it. He is tracing man through DNA and started the National Geographic Genographic project. Now there have been a lot of finds since Wells wrote his book. I don't think he knew that we had Neanderthal and Denosivan DNA (but its been a while since I read it-I know the discover of Denosivans is more recent.).

(03-17-2018 11:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:54 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:41 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:34 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  Here's the article Dasville.

Quote:Researchers say that they have found the oldest Homo sapiens remains on record in an improbable place: Morocco.

At an archaeological site near the Atlantic coast, finds of skull, face and jaw bones identified as being from early members of our species have been dated to about 315,000 years ago. That indicates H. sapiens appeared more than 100,000 years earlier than thought: most researchers have placed the origins of our species in East Africa about 200,000 years ago.

The finds, which are published on 7 June in Nature do not mean that H. sapiens originated in North Africa. Instead, they suggest that the species' earliest members evolved all across the continent, scientists say.

https://www.nature.com/news/oldest-homo-...ry-1.22114

Thank you TR! So would it be accurate to say that we have only “adapted” over the last 315,000 years? If we reverse engineer that......

When is the last time HS actually “evolved”?

The fossil record is, at the same time, both complex and incomplete. I'm just a science buff and have always enjoyed learning about this stuff so by no means speak with any authority on the subject.

Again, the most widely held view is that "modern humans" evolved in E. Africa somewhere around 200,000 years ago and from there, in a series of waves, spread out over much of the globe. Those spreading into Europe encountered Neanderthals and those moving farther east into Asia, as proven by DNA studies, encountered Denosivans. Some nominal level of interbreeding took place, particularly with Neanderthals, giving rise to today's populations.

As for your specific question about human evolution, I would contend that we're still evolving today. If your question refers to the likely "oldest known" modern-day type of human, someone you'd not notice on the street if dressed and groomed, based on what I've read, I would go out on a limb say that that person may have originated as long as 350,000 years ago.

That's a SWAG by the way.....a scientific-wild-ass-guess.

Spencer Wells, "The Journey of Man" is an interesting read on it. He is tracing man through DNA and started the National Geographic Genographic project. Now there have been a lot of finds since Wells wrote his book. I don't think he knew that we had Neanderthal and Denosivan DNA (but its been a while since I read it-I know the discover of Denosivans is more recent.).

Just based on evolution of organs through and within various species.....from yeast to man.......it seems virtually impossible that life, such as ours, exists anywhere else in the Universe......unless there is a God.

Unless you believe there is a blueprint. Which would suggest design. Which would suggest God.

Bill Nye, such as I, is just a guy.

But he looks good on TV.

All evolution counts if you count all evolution.