A realistic realignment scenario could look like:

Georgia Southern.......UAB
Georgia State............Troy
App State.................WKU
Middle Tennessee.......USM
ODU.........................ULL
Marshall....................Arkansas St

Tight footprint, good football, good basketball, good baseball, like-minded schools, old rivalries, etc

And if you feel like going to 14 you could add FAU and La Tech

I didn't think this thread could get more embarrassing than the first post, but turning it into another CUSA/Sun Belt realignment thread did it. Well done everyone.

(03-14-2018 06:53 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:39 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  As much as it pains me cause I love me the MAC and cheese:

*Move Ball State to the Summit with MVC for FCS football
*Move Akron to OVC

Add Illinois State to the MAC
Add James Madison to the MAC

East
BGSU
Buffalo
Kent
Miami
Ohio
James Madison

West
CMU
EMU
NIU
Toledo
WMU
Illinois State

Not too bad, TBH. You could probably substitute Kent State for Akron or EMU for Ball State and James Madison for Delaware.

Ball St to the Slummit hahahaha

Why is that so unrealistic? They could go there and play in the MVFC. Pretty much any team in the MAC could.

That is if they ever drop down.

Splitting off all of part of C-USA East and adding VCU, Belmont, Davidson, etc would make for a nice basketball league that could still play decent FBS football.

(03-14-2018 09:17 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Splitting off all of part of C-USA East and adding VCU, Belmont, Davidson, etc would make for a nice basketball league that could still play decent FBS football.

I think VCU would be war about joining a league that had FBS football in it, since football helped precipitate the end of the Metro and forced VCU to the CAA. Some of their fans think VCU wouldn't/shouldn't even go after AAC membership, but I think that's too far (the heavily public AAC even with football is a much better institutional fit than the Northeastern and private-dominated A-10). But VCU almost certainly won't be joining CUSA, the Belt, the MAC or an ad hoc conference in the neighborhood. Unless they start football, which is pretty unlikely.

(03-14-2018 08:51 PM)ShockerDR Wrote:  I didn't think this thread could get more embarrassing than the first post, but turning it into another CUSA/Sun Belt realignment thread did it. Well done everyone.

What part of the title led you to think this was something other than a realignment thread?

If we're just getting to put our schools into the greatest possible mythical realignment scenario on here, can I go ahead and advocate for Arkansas State to the SEC?

(03-14-2018 11:25 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If we're just getting to put our schools into the greatest possible mythical realignment scenario on here, can I go ahead and advocate for Arkansas State to the SEC?

Jerry is going back to his Arkansas roots and will merge State with the Cowboys

(03-14-2018 06:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:25 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:20 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 12:05 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  No more sticking with losers like UTEP, Rice, Fordham, Duquesne and other just hoping they will be good one day.

2017 football attendance
ODU - 20,118 (5-7)
UTEP - 19,548 (0-12)

2017-18 basketball attendance
ODU - 6,346 (25-7)
UTEP - 6,155 (11-20)

ODU averaged about 600 more in football and didn't have an 0-12 team and averaged about 200 more in basketball without having a 20 loss team.

If the records were reversed, UTEP would have closer to 30k in football and close to 10 in basketball. Who's the real loser?

Who is the real loser? UTEP cause they lost a lot more game. This is the biggest joke argument I have ever heard. You cannot be serious with this.

It's pretty compelling if UTEP has similar attendance with much worse teams.

Clearly you know nothing of the situation. First we are not talking about attendance, we are talking about on field/court performance. But lets compare the last 4 years:

ODU Football Record - 26-23
UTEP Football Record - 16-33

ODU Wins

ODU Football Avg Attendence - 20,118 (100% capacity)
UTEP Football Avg Attendence - 23,698 (47% capacity)

ODU Wins

ODU Basketball Record - 96-40
UTEP Basketball Record - 67-62

ODU Wins

ODU Basketball Avg Attendence - 6,282 (79% capacity)
UTEP Basketball Avg Attendence - 7,136 (58% capacity)

ODU Wins

ODU = Solid Conference mate
UTEP = Hot garbage

I wonder how many of those UTEP "attendees" were empty seats, but counted because they were season ticket purchases? It takes a couple of years of suckiness before the attendence numbers drop significantly.

(03-15-2018 11:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I wonder how many of those UTEP "attendees" were empty seats, but counted because they were season ticket purchases? It takes a couple of years of suckiness before the attendence numbers drop significantly.

Imagine what fifty years of suckiness can do...

(03-15-2018 08:03 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 06:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:25 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:20 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 12:05 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  No more sticking with losers like UTEP, Rice, Fordham, Duquesne and other just hoping they will be good one day.

2017 football attendance
ODU - 20,118 (5-7)
UTEP - 19,548 (0-12)

2017-18 basketball attendance
ODU - 6,346 (25-7)
UTEP - 6,155 (11-20)

ODU averaged about 600 more in football and didn't have an 0-12 team and averaged about 200 more in basketball without having a 20 loss team.

If the records were reversed, UTEP would have closer to 30k in football and close to 10 in basketball. Who's the real loser?

Who is the real loser? UTEP cause they lost a lot more game. This is the biggest joke argument I have ever heard. You cannot be serious with this.

It's pretty compelling if UTEP has similar attendance with much worse teams.

Clearly you know nothing of the situation. First we are not talking about attendance, we are talking about on field/court performance. But lets compare the last 4 years:

ODU Football Record - 26-23
UTEP Football Record - 16-33

ODU Wins

ODU Football Avg Attendence - 20,118 (100% capacity)
UTEP Football Avg Attendence - 23,698 (47% capacity)

ODU Wins

ODU Basketball Record - 96-40
UTEP Basketball Record - 67-62

ODU Wins

ODU Basketball Avg Attendence - 6,282 (79% capacity)
UTEP Basketball Avg Attendence - 7,136 (58% capacity)

ODU Wins

ODU = Solid Conference mate
UTEP = Hot garbage

And in those cherry picked stats “hot garbage” out draws you by 1,000 a game in basketball and 3,500 a game in football.
If you go back 10, 15 years and look at UTEP’s attendance numbers, ODU comes out
even further behind.
Again, if UTEP made the decision to stay in this current gigantic bohemith CUSA over going to the MWC a few years ago..... that was the DUMBEST DECISION in conference realignment history.

(03-14-2018 10:05 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 08:51 PM)ShockerDR Wrote:  I didn't think this thread could get more embarrassing than the first post, but turning it into another CUSA/Sun Belt realignment thread did it. Well done everyone.

What part of the title led you to think this was something other than a realignment thread?

Lemme help you out: Bolded for emphasis.

Why, you ask?

ODU has never been to the Sweet 16 and has 1 tournament win in the last 20 years. Unless you count their Vegas 16 and CIT championships, they haven't done squat. Too good for UTEP? LOL. Barely too good for Florida Atlantic.

Does it matter anymore? At this rate there will be zero at-large bids for 26 conferences in two years(sorry to the 11 other teams in the MWC, Gonzaga will be the AQ from now on, if the move gets done).

(03-15-2018 11:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I wonder how many of those UTEP "attendees" were empty seats, but counted because they were season ticket purchases? It takes a couple of years of suckiness before the attendence numbers drop significantly.

I’m not saying everybody counted on attendance is physically there but having been to multiple games regardless of record, the announced attendance is close to the number of people you see at the Sun Bowl and the Don. It’s not like 25k are announced and only 5k show up.

I would say UTEP has a core of 25k fans for football and 7k for basketball. Of course, if the Miners win, the number increases dramatically. But it is one of the rare G5 schools that can average 40k/10k in both sports. 2017 was the first year since 1984 that UTEP dropped below 20k and it took a 0-12 season to drop to that low. It only took an 8 win season to average 48k. That was an 8 win season. Now imagine a 10 win or undefeated season. UTEP is a MWC school stuck in a southern based league. That’s a fact.

Just taking the top performers is going to collide with math. Every conference game has a winner and loser in the league.

XYZ State might be dominant in their league today but might be a case of right coach in right place.
Or XYZ State might just be good because the conference in general is bad.

It is harder to get in and really understand if a school is doing well because they have support and the school is committed or things just lined up.

(03-15-2018 12:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:03 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 06:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:25 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:20 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  2017 football attendance
ODU - 20,118 (5-7)
UTEP - 19,548 (0-12)

2017-18 basketball attendance
ODU - 6,346 (25-7)
UTEP - 6,155 (11-20)

ODU averaged about 600 more in football and didn't have an 0-12 team and averaged about 200 more in basketball without having a 20 loss team.

If the records were reversed, UTEP would have closer to 30k in football and close to 10 in basketball. Who's the real loser?

Who is the real loser? UTEP cause they lost a lot more game. This is the biggest joke argument I have ever heard. You cannot be serious with this.

It's pretty compelling if UTEP has similar attendance with much worse teams.

Clearly you know nothing of the situation. First we are not talking about attendance, we are talking about on field/court performance. But lets compare the last 4 years:

ODU Football Record - 26-23
UTEP Football Record - 16-33

ODU Wins

ODU Football Avg Attendence - 20,118 (100% capacity)
UTEP Football Avg Attendence - 23,698 (47% capacity)

ODU Wins

ODU Basketball Record - 96-40
UTEP Basketball Record - 67-62

ODU Wins

ODU Basketball Avg Attendence - 6,282 (79% capacity)
UTEP Basketball Avg Attendence - 7,136 (58% capacity)

ODU Wins

ODU = Solid Conference mate
UTEP = Hot garbage

And in those cherry picked stats “hot garbage” out draws you by 1,000 a game in basketball and 3,500 a game in football.
If you go back 10, 15 years and look at UTEP’s attendance numbers, ODU comes out
even further behind.
Again, if UTEP made the decision to stay in this current gigantic bohemith CUSA over going to the MWC a few years ago..... that was the DUMBEST DECISION in conference realignment history.

One would have to think UTEP would have a spot over SJSU at least but maybe not if the objective is to have the biggest markets possible.

(03-15-2018 10:02 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 12:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:03 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 06:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:25 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Who is the real loser? UTEP cause they lost a lot more game. This is the biggest joke argument I have ever heard. You cannot be serious with this.

It's pretty compelling if UTEP has similar attendance with much worse teams.

Clearly you know nothing of the situation. First we are not talking about attendance, we are talking about on field/court performance. But lets compare the last 4 years:

ODU Football Record - 26-23
UTEP Football Record - 16-33

ODU Wins

ODU Football Avg Attendence - 20,118 (100% capacity)
UTEP Football Avg Attendence - 23,698 (47% capacity)

ODU Wins

ODU Basketball Record - 96-40
UTEP Basketball Record - 67-62

ODU Wins

ODU Basketball Avg Attendence - 6,282 (79% capacity)
UTEP Basketball Avg Attendence - 7,136 (58% capacity)

ODU Wins

ODU = Solid Conference mate
UTEP = Hot garbage

And in those cherry picked stats “hot garbage” out draws you by 1,000 a game in basketball and 3,500 a game in football.
If you go back 10, 15 years and look at UTEP’s attendance numbers, ODU comes out
even further behind.
Again, if UTEP made the decision to stay in this current gigantic bohemith CUSA over going to the MWC a few years ago..... that was the DUMBEST DECISION in conference realignment history.

One would have to think UTEP would have a spot over SJSU at least but maybe not if the objective is to have the biggest markets possible.

Actually, SJSU got invited because UTEP said no. At that time, the MWC was in shaky ground and C-USA still had Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane and East Carolina. There were rumors at the time Fresno State and UNLV were joining Boise and SDSU in the Big East and the Front Range schools might be interested in C-USA. Plus the C-USA/MWC merger was still on the table with UTEP switching to the MWC side. That’s the reason UTEP said no. It made sense at the time. Nobody thought Boise would change its mind and stay.