(03-08-2018 12:42 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I feel really bad for the once mighty Memphis program. The smell of desperation is overwhelming. Like opioid addicts still living with the ghost of John Calipari.

Did I read this right? Memphis hired a parent of the Lawsons in order to secure their committment for 120k per? That might be the dirtiest thing I have ever read in my life. And this was legal? The father could have just passed part of the salary to his kids... WTF?? I need to rethink the respect I've had for Memphis all these years. Sumfin seriously fishy goin' on in Graceland.

Serious question: Has any major college bball program ever hired a coach straight out of high school with zero D1 experience and been successful?


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Well better the dad passing the money than whoever passed yalls guy the money in that FBI report

(03-08-2018 12:42 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I feel really bad for the once mighty Memphis program. The smell of desperation is overwhelming. Like opioid addicts still living with the ghost of John Calipari.

Did I read this right? Memphis hired a parent of the Lawsons in order to secure their committment for 120k per? That might be the dirtiest thing I have ever read in my life. And this was legal? The father could have just passed part of the salary to his kids... WTF?? I need to rethink the respect I've had for Memphis all these years. Sumfin seriously fishy goin' on in Graceland.

Serious question: Has any major college bball program ever hired a coach straight out of high school with zero D1 experience and been successful?


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jason kidd had less experience before his 1st nba hc job

(03-07-2018 03:38 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 03:26 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 03:17 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 03:02 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 02:41 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  You're willing to bet your entire program on the fact that an ex-NBA'r knows how to impress kids into following him onto his HS team.

There are 100's of factors that go into a successful college coach. Penny Hardaway hasn't proven he has a single one of them yet.

As others have already said, if you bomb out with Penny, your program is dead for a decade.

I'll give the Penny Hardaway experiment 15-1 odds of turning out better than Tubby, a proven head coach with a national championship. It's like comparing men to babies. It's like betting a 24 year old MBA grad will run GE better than the current CEO with 15 years of experience.


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The difference between Memphis and Houston and Memphis is night and day.
Memphis has boosters who will not accept mediocrity now in basketball.
Houston did not have that kind of structure in place then.
IF Hardaway as a hire craters...the Memphis boosters will move on to the next guy.

No solid coach will touch you because they'll know they are gone the second they struggle. EVERYBODY struggles when taking over a new program. Gregg Marshall went to our AD after his first year and begged to be fired. He wanted to leave. Memphis is not Duke/Kentucky/Kansas/Indiana/UCLA yet they'll have a reputation of putting more pressure on their prospective head coaches than all the other schools combined. Add in the fact that Memphis is not a member of a "Power 5" league and the job will be passed over by all - hence you'll be dead for a decade until the reputation fades.

Sure you'll be able to hire the retreads and just about every other coach you shouldn't hire... but the good ones will say no.


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again, you don't understand the nature of Memphis basketball...and its ok.
It will never get better here under Tubby Smith. That's the reality. We cut off Larry Porter after his second year...and hired a somewhat unknown guy named Fuente to takeover football.
Memphis knows improvements, and commitment when it sees it.
We endured losing football campaigns under Fuente, because we could see progress.
Coaches know they are in a cutthroat business.
As someone once famously said..you're hired ...to be fired.
They know what the risks are when they sign the contracts on the dotted line.
Not saying I approve...but I;ve come to the realization that SOMETHING has to be done.
IF this is what it will take to get Memphis kids to again stay home and play for Memphis...then let's do it.

I may not know "Memphis basketball" but I surely know life... and business. And going around cutting coaches legs off before they have a chance to implement their plan is a sure way to get blackballed in the industry.

You axe the hall-of-famer and replace him with a HS coach and bomb and you're done... for a decade at least.

You really have no idea how hard it is to maintain a winning college basketball program. Just ask Indiana. You think you can just *snap* your fingers and erase all your problems with money? Son, you've got a LOT to learn. Like I said before, I hope some real adults are in charge of your program and all this media buzz is being generated by social media.

This whole thing smells Lonzo Ballish and it's starting to make me sick.


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I disagree. Tubby has always been out of step since he arrived in Memphis.
Telling fans that they had to readjust their expectations. Memphis has been nationally relevant before. We know the formula. You take some good Memphis kids who want to stay home...coach them up...and at some point...you should find yourself in the Sweet 16 at some point.
Honestly...THAT is not too much to expect.
The way he recruited...we really hoped that that would be Josh Pastner...but his recruiting flamed out when he couldn't advance farther in the tournament...and he lost the respect of his players.
Tubby's rant against kids transferring was hypocritical...and probably the final nail in his coffin. He's job hopped almost his entire career.
He'd already ticked off prominent boosters, froze out the media, and now he's ticking off college players.
Yes there will be some people who bash the move. I don't like it myself..but its not working out for him here...and both sides need something new.
In my heart I wish it weren't Penny frickin Hardaway...because Memphis fans are a pretty vicious lot. I don't want to see the man's legacy tarnished...but its his legacy to do with as he pleases...and apparently he knows what he is getting in for.

(03-08-2018 12:42 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I feel really bad for the once mighty Memphis program. The smell of desperation is overwhelming. Like opioid addicts still living with the ghost of John Calipari.

Did I read this right? Memphis hired a parent of the Lawsons in order to secure their committment for 120k per? That might be the dirtiest thing I have ever read in my life. And this was legal? The father could have just passed part of the salary to his kids... WTF?? I need to rethink the respect I've had for Memphis all these years. Sumfin seriously fishy goin' on in Graceland.

Serious question: Has any major college bball program ever hired a coach straight out of high school with zero D1 experience and been successful?


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Did I read this right? Wichita State named in the FBI investigation? That might be the dirtiest thing I have ever read in my life. And what they did was legal? The Shockers could have passed money on to players... WTF?? I need to rethink the respect I've had for Wichita State all these years. Sumfin seriously fish goin' on in the corn fields.

It's nice everybody cares about us so much. But, in the end, it doesn't matter what some two bit Wichita State message board troll thinks about us. His opinion is about as pertinent and as educated as a newborn's.

(03-08-2018 08:36 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  It's nice everybody cares about us so much. But, in the end, it doesn't matter what some two bit Wichita State message board troll thinks about us. His opinion is about as pertinent and as educated as a newborn's.

I've just learned over the last 5 or 6 years that they even had a basketball team.

some thin skin in Memphis

(03-08-2018 08:44 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:36 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  It's nice everybody cares about us so much. But, in the end, it doesn't matter what some two bit Wichita State message board troll thinks about us. His opinion is about as pertinent and as educated as a newborn's.

I've just learned over the last 5 or 6 years that they even had a basketball team.

No. Do not mock their program. They have a fine basketball program that is a welcome addition to this conference. Unfortunately, they have some children that have too much time and too much internet access.

As does our fanbase too if we are being honest.

(03-08-2018 08:44 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:36 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  It's nice everybody cares about us so much. But, in the end, it doesn't matter what some two bit Wichita State message board troll thinks about us. His opinion is about as pertinent and as educated as a newborn's.

I've just learned over the last 5 or 6 years that they even had a basketball team.

True...because most people nationally thought the Tigers Hoop program ended when the University changed their name from Memphis State.*

(03-08-2018 01:46 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 12:42 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I feel really bad for the once mighty Memphis program. The smell of desperation is overwhelming. Like opioid addicts still living with the ghost of John Calipari.

Did I read this right? Memphis hired a parent of the Lawsons in order to secure their committment for 120k per? That might be the dirtiest thing I have ever read in my life. And this was legal? The father could have just passed part of the salary to his kids... WTF?? I need to rethink the respect I've had for Memphis all these years. Sumfin seriously fishy goin' on in Graceland.

Serious question: Has any major college bball program ever hired a coach straight out of high school with zero D1 experience and been successful?


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jason kidd had less experience before his 1st nba hc job

Kidd worked out well.

I have been thinking about this and have no answers:

"Has any major college bball program ever hired a coach straight out of high school with zero D1 experience and been successful?"

(03-08-2018 10:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:44 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:36 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  It's nice everybody cares about us so much. But, in the end, it doesn't matter what some two bit Wichita State message board troll thinks about us. His opinion is about as pertinent and as educated as a newborn's.

I've just learned over the last 5 or 6 years that they even had a basketball team.

True...because most people nationally thought the Tigers Hoop program ended when the University changed their name from Memphis State.*

Were y'all still called Florida Tech when you got blasted the handful of times you actually made the tournament? 0 and how many?

(03-08-2018 10:38 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 10:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:44 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:36 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  It's nice everybody cares about us so much. But, in the end, it doesn't matter what some two bit Wichita State message board troll thinks about us. His opinion is about as pertinent and as educated as a newborn's.

I've just learned over the last 5 or 6 years that they even had a basketball team.

True...because most people nationally thought the Tigers Hoop program ended when the University changed their name from Memphis State.*

Were y'all still called Florida Tech when you got blasted the handful of times you actually made the tournament? 0 and how many?

Just stop

(03-08-2018 10:38 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 10:38 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 10:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:44 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 08:36 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  It's nice everybody cares about us so much. But, in the end, it doesn't matter what some two bit Wichita State message board troll thinks about us. His opinion is about as pertinent and as educated as a newborn's.

I've just learned over the last 5 or 6 years that they even had a basketball team.

True...because most people nationally thought the Tigers Hoop program ended when the University changed their name from Memphis State.*

Were y'all still called Florida Tech when you got blasted the handful of times you actually made the tournament? 0 and how many?

Just stop

He's so angry!

(03-08-2018 01:46 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 12:42 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I feel really bad for the once mighty Memphis program. The smell of desperation is overwhelming. Like opioid addicts still living with the ghost of John Calipari.

Did I read this right? Memphis hired a parent of the Lawsons in order to secure their committment for 120k per? That might be the dirtiest thing I have ever read in my life. And this was legal? The father could have just passed part of the salary to his kids... WTF?? I need to rethink the respect I've had for Memphis all these years. Sumfin seriously fishy goin' on in Graceland.

Serious question: Has any major college bball program ever hired a coach straight out of high school with zero D1 experience and been successful?


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jason kidd had less experience before his 1st nba hc job

There's no coaching in the NBA, only a payment for players and an assemblage of "super stars". The "coach's" job is to make sure player ABCDEFG doesn't pout over Lebron's new Ferrari.


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(03-08-2018 10:38 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 01:46 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 12:42 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I feel really bad for the once mighty Memphis program. The smell of desperation is overwhelming. Like opioid addicts still living with the ghost of John Calipari.

Did I read this right? Memphis hired a parent of the Lawsons in order to secure their committment for 120k per? That might be the dirtiest thing I have ever read in my life. And this was legal? The father could have just passed part of the salary to his kids... WTF?? I need to rethink the respect I've had for Memphis all these years. Sumfin seriously fishy goin' on in Graceland.

Serious question: Has any major college bball program ever hired a coach straight out of high school with zero D1 experience and been successful?


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jason kidd had less experience before his 1st nba hc job

Kidd worked out well.

I have been thinking about this and have no answers:

"Has any major college bball program ever hired a coach straight out of high school with zero D1 experience and been successful?"

I can think of one. Only coached one college team though. Just happened to be for 38 years.

(03-08-2018 10:38 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 01:46 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 12:42 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I feel really bad for the once mighty Memphis program. The smell of desperation is overwhelming. Like opioid addicts still living with the ghost of John Calipari.

Did I read this right? Memphis hired a parent of the Lawsons in order to secure their committment for 120k per? That might be the dirtiest thing I have ever read in my life. And this was legal? The father could have just passed part of the salary to his kids... WTF?? I need to rethink the respect I've had for Memphis all these years. Sumfin seriously fishy goin' on in Graceland.

Serious question: Has any major college bball program ever hired a coach straight out of high school with zero D1 experience and been successful?


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jason kidd had less experience before his 1st nba hc job

Kidd worked out well.

I have been thinking about this and have no answers:

"Has any major college bball program ever hired a coach straight out of high school with zero D1 experience and been successful?"

making the playoffs 4 of his 5 years as a head coach is a failure??

there are tons of successful nba with little experience guys who are coachs, avery johnson and utahs coach were assistants for maybe 1 year before taking over nba/college teams ..bob hurley had very little aswell

(03-08-2018 12:42 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I feel really bad for the once mighty Memphis program. The smell of desperation is overwhelming. Like opioid addicts still living with the ghost of John Calipari.

Did I read this right? Memphis hired a parent of the Lawsons in order to secure their committment for 120k per? That might be the dirtiest thing I have ever read in my life. And this was legal? The father could have just passed part of the salary to his kids... WTF?? I need to rethink the respect I've had for Memphis all these years. Sumfin seriously fishy goin' on in Graceland.

Serious question: Has any major college bball program ever hired a coach straight out of high school with zero D1 experience and been successful?


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Probably shouldn't have asked that question Cold.

I know a school that hired a guy name Ralph Miller right of of high school. Worked out pretty good for them.

(03-08-2018 01:13 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 12:42 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I feel really bad for the once mighty Memphis program. The smell of desperation is overwhelming. Like opioid addicts still living with the ghost of John Calipari.

Did I read this right? Memphis hired a parent of the Lawsons in order to secure their committment for 120k per? That might be the dirtiest thing I have ever read in my life. And this was legal? The father could have just passed part of the salary to his kids... WTF?? I need to rethink the respect I've had for Memphis all these years. Sumfin seriously fishy goin' on in Graceland.

Serious question: Has any major college bball program ever hired a coach straight out of high school with zero D1 experience and been successful?


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Well better the dad passing the money than whoever passed yalls guy the money in that FBI report

(03-08-2018 07:35 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 12:42 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I feel really bad for the once mighty Memphis program. The smell of desperation is overwhelming. Like opioid addicts still living with the ghost of John Calipari.

Did I read this right? Memphis hired a parent of the Lawsons in order to secure their committment for 120k per? That might be the dirtiest thing I have ever read in my life. And this was legal? The father could have just passed part of the salary to his kids... WTF?? I need to rethink the respect I've had for Memphis all these years. Sumfin seriously fishy goin' on in Graceland.

Serious question: Has any major college bball program ever hired a coach straight out of high school with zero D1 experience and been successful?


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Did I read this right? Wichita State named in the FBI investigation? That might be the dirtiest thing I have ever read in my life. And what they did was legal? The Shockers could have passed money on to players... WTF?? I need to rethink the respect I've had for Wichita State all these years. Sumfin seriously fish goin' on in the corn fields.

We don't know if the anonymous ledger report stating that Fred took $1k from this organization is true. If you've ever met Fred VanVleet, you'll know he is one of the more intelligent athletes you will come across in your lifetime. To tarnish everything he's done at Wichita State (in his senior year), for the equivalent of pocket money is hard to believe.

But let's assume it's true.

So Fred made one stupid act, on his own volition (having nothing to do with the university). Dumb kid. Memphis organizing a job for the father of two highly prized recruits is about as dirty as it gets. It totally violates the spirit of the laws pertaining to amateur athletes in the NCAA. And it's all out in the open - okay'd by the coaching staff, the athletic department, the president of the university... everyone. That is the incredible dirtiness of it all. All these "academic professionals" know that they are essentially paying these two players $120k per and they're willing to put their name behind it.

This is nearly exactly what Thuggins pulled off at K-State with a guy they hired for $400k per year to bring a bunch of blue-chippers to Manure U for a year. It was the dirtiest thing I'd seen at the time, but he wasn't their father I don't believe. Hiring a kid's father is essentially paying the kids (as long as the father cooperates with the kids which I'm sure he did). Unbelievable.

What happened to the good old days when people tried to hide their cheating?


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(03-06-2018 01:23 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 01:16 PM)ShockdaWorld Wrote:  Penny would be a great get for Memphis. I’d love to see that.

Yes, he would be awesome. . .

He had a ho hum NBA career, never won a championship.

He has some aau experience and like 5 years coaching high school in Memphis.


Yup what a get. No recruiting experience, no college or NBA coaching experience, no compliance experience, no real travel or media experience as a coach.

Hell at least Clyde Drexel won a championship in the NBA . . .

Please educate me on the awesome history of Tulsa basketball and the incredible professional players you guys have produced. Maybe Bingo Smith from the 70s? Ironic since he was from Memphis.

Penny’s NBA career was stunted by injury, but there is no denying he was an amazing basketball player prior to that. Had he continued on the same trajectory, he would have been in the Hall of Fame.

We can debate whether he’s worth the risk as a coach or if we think he will be successful, but there is no reason to rip Penny the player.