(03-08-2018 09:18 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Add COC to the early season tourney list next year. Here is a list I found and teams playing in various tourneys. https://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2017/...anksgiving

That Suncoast Classic has 2 slots for visiting teams. One of the hosts is the Spiders, so if we were slotted with them we would have minimal travel expenses (and maybe that is the only way to get Richmond to play us again). Maybe Huge can get to work on that for the coming year and work on a neutral site location for 2019.

(03-08-2018 11:42 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 09:18 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Add COC to the early season tourney list next year. Here is a list I found and teams playing in various tourneys. https://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2017/...anksgiving

That Suncoast Classic has 2 slots for visiting teams. One of the hosts is the Spiders, so if we were slotted with them we would have minimal travel expenses (and maybe that is the only way to get Richmond to play us again). Maybe Huge can get to work on that for the coming year and work on a neutral site location for 2019.

That sounds great, but I wonder how much say Richmond gets in an opponent? They are probably hoping to face a power team to help boost their RPI and get butts in the arena. A loss to W&M does nothing to benefit them towards the post season nor benefiting the mood of their fans & alumni who look down on the CAA.
Mooney is already on the hot seat. Playing a talented Tribe team with little benefit in a win and huge blow in defeat is not the matchup they would want.

LeadBolt,

It is not a bias against the CAA. This past season, Towson, JMU and Hofstra all played in an early season tournament. So, that is half of the CAA schools that will have done it in the last 2 seasons. My guess is that we are unwilling to pay the cost of travel. It may also be related to missed class for the team as well. It appears to me that there still remain a few available slots if we jumped on them. The Grand Cayman tourney, the Wooden Classic or the one in Connecticut all have slots and the tourneys are in November before Thanksgiving. There are still roughly 15-20 slots still available in these various tourneys. COC is going to Orlando next year. Our OOC this year ended up being pretty good and we have played 2-3 tough road games each year. It would be great to add 2-3 more in a tournament. But, it might not be feasible. The game with Ohio St was the first one within exams(2 weeks) that I can ever remember. The 2009-10 team got UConn and Harvard in a tourney I think(Nov.) and then also faced Wake and Maryland. They won 2 of those games and could have easily beaten Harvard(half court heave to lose that one). But the chance to play multiple games in a short window is good experience for both each CAA week and the tournament. Either way, it still seems unlikely that we get more than 11-12 nonconference games. The OOC this year turned out to be good with TCU, Ohio St. UCF, Marshall, Mason, and ODU. We all know the story with VCU and Richmond and presumably UVA or Tech is also unlikely. Large difference between UVA and Tech though in basketball. UVA has played at JMU and VCU and basically is willing to play anyone. Tech wants a nonconference strength of schedule at about 300. Their game with Kentucky this year was the first time in forever they challenged anyone on the road and I think was the only time they even left Blacksburg before Christmas.

I think the expenses of the tournament are the issue, not lack of opportunities. Lest we forget last year when the program had to go out hat in hand to even make the promised Jamaica trip happen. Wasn't it originally supposed to be a European trip? Budgets are tight. Adding a tourney on the fly is hard to make happen.

I think we should have our own tournament.

If we're not targeting funds for an early season tournament for Nate, Justin and Matt's senior year, then shame on us. I would expect that Coen had a CAA championship in mind when they booked into the Charleston Classic next season. Being at the cusp this season was earlier than he expected with his roster and Pusica.

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OK, I will be the contrarian. With as many new pieces as we have to incorporate, next season isn't a good one to add an early season tournament. Getting your butt whipped doesn't build confidence.

I agree that the team should target the 2020-2021 season tournaments since we will have a veteran team that year.

(03-08-2018 11:50 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  The 2009-10 team got UConn and Harvard in a tourney I think(Nov.) and then also faced Wake and Maryland. They won 2 of those games and could have easily beaten Harvard(half court heave to lose that one).

The UConn and Harvard games were individual road trip games. The "heave" at Harvard was inside the Briggs Athletic Center (remember it well...or painfully)

(03-08-2018 01:10 PM)billymac Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 11:50 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  The 2009-10 team got UConn and Harvard in a tourney I think(Nov.) and then also faced Wake and Maryland. They won 2 of those games and could have easily beaten Harvard(half court heave to lose that one).

The UConn and Harvard games were individual road trip games. The "heave" at Harvard was inside the Briggs Athletic Center (remember it well...or painfully)

Thanks BillyMac. My memory on sports facts used to be perfect. Not so much anymore.

(03-08-2018 01:05 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  OK, I will be the contrarian. With as many new pieces as we have to incorporate, next season isn't a good one to add an early season tournament. Getting your butt whipped doesn't build confidence.

I agree that the team should target the 2020-2021 season tournaments since we will have a veteran team that year.

I understand your point, but I would think that it would be beneficial to play some teams that are higher, some teams that are level with and some teams that are slightly lower than our conference mates in the OOC, in a variety of settings, home, away and neutral to prepare for more possibilities and develop confidence and grit.

Charleston classic is an ESPN sponsered tourney. Each team can only be invited once every 4 years. As part of our agreement for using TD arena we are in every 4th year. The 3 years we are out 1 team.from.CAA is invited every year. So far in the CAA Drexel, Towson and Hofstra have participated in it. NU this coming season. If a team gets an invite and declines they invite another team in the CAA..Just.my.opinion but to me it is dumb to decline. Gets you on.national.TV and a chance usually to play a couple of power 5 schools

So, either W&M turned down the Charleston classic or they will be invited in the next couple of years. Good to know.

(03-08-2018 01:34 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 01:05 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  OK, I will be the contrarian. With as many new pieces as we have to incorporate, next season isn't a good one to add an early season tournament. Getting your butt whipped doesn't build confidence.

I agree that the team should target the 2020-2021 season tournaments since we will have a veteran team that year.

I understand your point, but I would think that it would be beneficial to play some teams that are higher, some teams that are level with and some teams that are slightly lower than our conference mates in the OOC, in a variety of settings, home, away and neutral to prepare for more possibilities and develop confidence and grit.

Also, while it is true that we will have some new pieces, we will also have three returning starters plus Rowley, all of whom played significant minutes this year. So it won't be like we will be starting 5 freshman. The teams we would be playing most likely would have lost a starter or two, too. Unless we absolutely stink at point guard, I expect us to be competitive right away against most teams we play.

The Colonial Shootout has a revolutionary ring to it...

I would guess we are picked #3 or #4, after NE and CofC, in the preseason caa poll

Charleston is back up for the Classic in the 20-21 season. Towson was in it three years ago. So, you would think first shot at it for the 19-20 season comes from W&M, Delaware, UNCW, JMU, or Elon, unless we already declined it in the last 2 years or for next year. Tournament field is usually set a year in advance.

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(03-08-2018 03:11 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Charleston is back up for the Classic in the 20-21 season. Towson was in it three years ago. So, you would think first shot at it for the 19-20 season comes from W&M, Delaware, UNCW, JMU, or Elon, unless we already declined it in the last 2 years or for next year. Tournament field is usually set a year in advance.

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Drexel was in it in 2014, followed by Towson, COC, Hofstra, and Northeastern next year. 2019 is the only open slot since Charleston is in 2020 again. Seems like the Tribe would be an excellent fit for that with Knight, Pierce and Milon as seniors. Probably comes down to us or UNCW.

Richmond, VCU, UVA, ODU, VT and Mason all in preseason tourneys next year

(03-08-2018 03:41 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 03:11 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Charleston is back up for the Classic in the 20-21 season. Towson was in it three years ago. So, you would think first shot at it for the 19-20 season comes from W&M, Delaware, UNCW, JMU, or Elon, unless we already declined it in the last 2 years or for next year. Tournament field is usually set a year in advance.

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Drexel was in it in 2014, followed by Towson, COC, Hofstra, and Northeastern next year. 2019 is the only open slot since Charleston is in 2020 again. Seems like the Tribe would be an excellent fit for that with Knight, Pierce and Milon as seniors. Probably comes down to us or UNCW.

Probably would not hurt for your AD to express their interest to espn about being invited