NE after their loss tonight still has a RPI of 55 which should give them a NIT bid. Here is hoping they do a deep run. Also as much as it pains me as a CAA fan need to hope the arrow shooting C of C has a good run also with their RPI of 65.

(03-06-2018 10:15 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 09:51 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 09:46 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Yeah, that FT line. Amazing. Those 20 turnovers probably had nothing at all to do with losing.

Exactly. Make those free throws and the 20 turnovers are a forgotten footnote.

NU turned the ball over 15 times after the half. Most cost them 2 points at the other end, a potential 4 point swing. FTs certainly helps but it's not THE indicator.

You are talking about the indicators GOING IN to any game. However, the indicators change during the course of the game, especially late in the game. Nobody ever said that FTs were THE indicator for the course of a whole game. Nobody shoots 60-70 successful FTs a game, at the exclusion of all other points. DUH! But FTs are a much more important indicator late in the game. What is true, and this game bears it out perfectly, is that making FTs can win you games (Chealey 16-16) and missing FTs can lose you games (Gresham missing the front end of a one-and-one (2 possible points lost) and Pusica missing one). Gresham shot his when NE had a 4 point lead. Could have made it 6. Big difference. When Pusica made 2 of 3 the miss was the difference between a 6 point lead (two possessions) and a 7 point lead (THREE possessions). Gresham's misses occurred at the 2 minute mark and Pusica's occurred with 1:24 left in regulation. Again, if NE makes those 2 or 3 points then that could have radically changed Chuck's plays at the end of regulation. Instead of Chealey driving for layups (twice) they probably would have shot treys and had a 60% chance of missing them (assuming that NE doesn't foul, which they did one time). So, yes, all those prior turnovers were bad but they were also irrelevant at that point. NE's choices were: make your free throws and win or miss your free throws and lose. Unfortunately, it was the latter. I'm sure that Gresham and Pusica remember their misses. I'm sure the NE fans will, too, just like W&M fans (for right or wrong) still remember Omar Prewitt's miss of the front end of a one-and-one in 2014. The point is, regardless of what went before, it would have been moot (and forgotten) if NE had made those late FTs. It is just like a football game where many turnovers are made but you still have the lead with one play to go and the opponent has the ball on your one yard line. Doesn't matter what happened before. All you gotta do is stop them on that one play. If you succeed, you win. Fail, you lose. Same thing here. Those turnovers did not matter anymore at the point in time where NE had the chance to seal it with free throws. Everything could have been exactly the same (turnovers and all) but if you add even one free throw point to NE's score then they win in regulation.

(03-06-2018 09:32 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 09:29 PM)WM_Destro Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 09:26 PM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  That has to be a tough one to swallow for NE. Here's hoping that whatever team plays Charleston in the tournament beats the crap out of them and shoots arrows at them after every single made 3 pointer, 2 pointer, and FT

Amen brother!

As much as I hate Chuck's antics, I will still root for them in the NCAA tourney. The CAA has got to win games, consistently, and when we do then maybe we will get more at large teams in the tourney.

So -- go Chuck!

CAA teams aren't getting at-large teams unless they have an RPI of 40 or better and at least 1 marquee win

To many auto bids headed to the NIT for NU to make it. We are up to 4 or 5 auto bids already from top seeds who fell in their tournaments

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I really have enjoyed the last two years with Charleston as the venue, but it makes sense for the tournament to move north after next year. Also, would love to see it return to Friday thru Monday instead of Sat thru Tues. Was nice to see Nathan on the all tournament team.

I'm hoping the conference re-signs for more years in Charleston. Its a great location, but more importantly, it is light years ahead of the experience in Richmond and Baltimore.

(03-07-2018 08:15 AM)WM Beancounter Wrote:  I'm hoping the conference re-signs for more years in Charleston. Its a great location, but more importantly, it is light years ahead of the experience in Richmond and Baltimore.

Charleston makes no sense. The tourney should be centrally located. Many arenas being considered for renovation. MEAC tourney might leave Norfolk now that Hampton exits and scope renovation plans pending. Richmond coliseum being renovated. DC building a smaller venue for WNBA.

Only stay there until they can move to one of these other options.

(03-07-2018 08:15 AM)WM Beancounter Wrote:  I'm hoping the conference re-signs for more years in Charleston. Its a great location, but more importantly, it is light years ahead of the experience in Richmond and Baltimore.

WM Beancounter, I agree it is a great venue and all of us in my group that went had a really good time both years. The only issue is whether it gives a significant advantage to the "home" school(s). Of course, maybe the reason so many UNCW and COC fans were there was they were the #1 seed the last 2 years. I do really like the venue and it was far superior to Baltimore or Richmond as a site including the things to do in the area and the weather.

The Tribe did travel very well though. We had the 3rd most fans last year and possibly the 2nd most this year.

(03-07-2018 06:13 AM)dan10 Wrote:  To many auto bids headed to the NIT for NU to make it. We are up to 4 or 5 auto bids already from top seeds who fell in their tournaments

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Disagree. There have been few years where the CAA hasn't had a team in the NIT field, whether an auto or not.

NU is in - helluva an RPI.

One of the NIT bracketology sites late last night even had W&M on the longer list though no way the CAA gets two in the NIT (though it has happened before - ODU and Hofstra about 10 years ago).

One major pet peeve for me with respect to rules enforcement, is that palming the ball has been exploited to the extreme because there is no rule emphasis. For all of Pusica's abilities, he is allowed to blatently palm the ball on every possession. It's in the rule book still because it otherwise gives the offensive player an unfair advantage over the defensive player by allowing the dribbler to freeze the defense. Everytime Pusica pauses that dribble he should only have three options, shoot, pass or hold the ball. He is using it for a fourth option to continue or reverse his dribble direction. Take that illegal move away and Pusica is far less effective. You could say credit to Pusica for pushing that euro move to his advantage, but bottom line is it needs to be enforced.

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A little dumbfounded regarding Riller being named most outstanding player for the tournament when Chealey's numbers were comparable in their first two games and he was far superior in the championship and the reason they won it. Not even close.

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(03-07-2018 10:11 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  A little dumbfounded regarding Riller being named most outstanding player for the tournament when Chealey's numbers were comparable in their first two games and he was far superior in the championship and the reason they won it. Not even close.

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.... And a senior

(03-07-2018 09:36 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 06:13 AM)dan10 Wrote:  To many auto bids headed to the NIT for NU to make it. We are up to 4 or 5 auto bids already from top seeds who fell in their tournaments

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Disagree. There have been few years where the CAA hasn't had a team in the NIT field, whether an auto or not.

NU is in - helluva an RPI.

One of the NIT bracketology sites late last night even had W&M on the longer list though no way the CAA gets two in the NIT (though it has happened before - ODU and Hofstra about 10 years ago).

Please just don't...

(03-07-2018 08:59 AM)nogretheogre Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 08:15 AM)WM Beancounter Wrote:  I'm hoping the conference re-signs for more years in Charleston. Its a great location, but more importantly, it is light years ahead of the experience in Richmond and Baltimore.

Charleston makes no sense. The tourney should be centrally located. Many arenas being considered for renovation. MEAC tourney might leave Norfolk now that Hampton exits and scope renovation plans pending. Richmond coliseum being renovated. DC building a smaller venue for WNBA.

Only stay there until they can move to one of these other options.

I'm really hoping they move to the Mystics' new arena when the Charleston deal is over. DC is in the middle of the conference, and there are tons of things to do. The arena will seat 4,200, and it will have easy Metro access. All of this sounds about perfect to me.

These guys bid on the deal when Charleston was selected, but without an actual arena, they didn't stand much chance. It does make me think that they will be interested again this time!

(03-07-2018 10:33 AM)Got Ribe Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 08:59 AM)nogretheogre Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 08:15 AM)WM Beancounter Wrote:  I'm hoping the conference re-signs for more years in Charleston. Its a great location, but more importantly, it is light years ahead of the experience in Richmond and Baltimore.

Charleston makes no sense. The tourney should be centrally located. Many arenas being considered for renovation. MEAC tourney might leave Norfolk now that Hampton exits and scope renovation plans pending. Richmond coliseum being renovated. DC building a smaller venue for WNBA.

Only stay there until they can move to one of these other options.

I'm really hoping they move to the Mystics' new arena when the Charleston deal is over. DC is in the middle of the conference, and there are tons of things to do. The arena will seat 4,200, and it will have easy Metro access. All of this sounds about perfect to me.

These guys bid on the deal when Charleston was selected, but without an actual arena, they didn't stand much chance. It does make me think that they will be interested again this time!

+1

(03-07-2018 10:33 AM)Got Ribe Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 08:59 AM)nogretheogre Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 08:15 AM)WM Beancounter Wrote:  I'm hoping the conference re-signs for more years in Charleston. Its a great location, but more importantly, it is light years ahead of the experience in Richmond and Baltimore.

Charleston makes no sense. The tourney should be centrally located. Many arenas being considered for renovation. MEAC tourney might leave Norfolk now that Hampton exits and scope renovation plans pending. Richmond coliseum being renovated. DC building a smaller venue for WNBA.

Only stay there until they can move to one of these other options.

I'm really hoping they move to the Mystics' new arena when the Charleston deal is over. DC is in the middle of the conference, and there are tons of things to do. The arena will seat 4,200, and it will have easy Metro access. All of this sounds about perfect to me.

These guys bid on the deal when Charleston was selected, but without an actual arena, they didn't stand much chance. It does make me think that they will be interested again this time!

Plus I'd bet there are a lot of alumni from many CAA schools in and around the DC area which would be an overall boost to attendance.

One thing that was a little strange about the tournament sponsorship... I've never seen a title sponsor make so little effort to, you know, advertise. Other than a few small signs here and there, I saw no evidence that Jersey Mikes was even involved with the tournament.

I agree. DC and that Mystics arena might be the conference sweet spot. Ample lodging, entertainment, and relatively centralized from the north to the south. The arena, though small, will give a much more intimate feel and play better than the open seating sections now. There is high alumni numbers for many teams without being a home game for any particular team. I think it would be a home run for the conference.

(03-07-2018 09:36 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 06:13 AM)dan10 Wrote:  To many auto bids headed to the NIT for NU to make it. We are up to 4 or 5 auto bids already from top seeds who fell in their tournaments

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Disagree. There have been few years where the CAA hasn't had a team in the NIT field, whether an auto or not.

NU is in - helluva an RPI.

One of the NIT bracketology sites late last night even had W&M on the longer list though no way the CAA gets two in the NIT (though it has happened before - ODU and Hofstra about 10 years ago).

Whatever website had W&M as anything greater than a 0.00001% chance of making the NIT as an at-large needs to stop doing bracketeology....

I am on the fence about whether NE gets a NIT bid or not. Yeah, their RPI is good, but they have no signature wins and could easily get overlooked by power conference teams with worse RPIs. They should probably start hoping no more bid steals happen in conference tourneys.