(04-23-2018 09:32 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwlStill Wrote:  Do we have any info other than the one tweet-length "article"?

http://www.collegebaseballdaily.com/2018...of-season/

edit - sorry, saw someone else had posted the link earlier in the article

Anyone who uses Brian Foley and College Baseball Daily as a reputable source is out of their minds. While I will agree that it would appear that the cards regarding The OG's situation has already been dealt, for Foley and CBD to post that article with that headline, without official confirmation, is total irresponsibility. While rumours are flying all around, there's no way anyone in the Athletic Department, or in a position to know, would leak to CBD of all sites. D1Baseball's Kendall Rogers, was at the game on Saturday, and spoke to Wayne for 45 minutes afterwards, and simply posted that he expected clarity on the situation within the next 2 weeks. That's responsible journalism/reporting (even if Wayne hinted to him what the decision was going to be).

(04-23-2018 10:28 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Anyone who uses Brian Foley and College Baseball Daily as a reputable source is out of their minds. While I will agree that it would appear that the cards regarding The OG's situation has already been dealt, for Foley and CBD to post that article with that headline, without official confirmation, is total irresponsibility. While rumours are flying all around, there's no way anyone in the Athletic Department, or in a position to know, would leak to CBD of all sites. D1Baseball's Kendall Rogers, was at the game on Saturday, and spoke to Wayne for 45 minutes afterwards, and simply posted that he expected clarity on the situation within the next 2 weeks. That's responsible journalism/reporting (even if Wayne hinted to him what the decision was going to be).

Spot on.

CBD is basically the National Enquirer of college baseball. I believe literally nothing they write until I read it elsewhere.

Fake news. These bums always looking for attention.

(04-23-2018 10:30 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  

(04-23-2018 10:28 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Anyone who uses Brian Foley and College Baseball Daily as a reputable source is out of their minds. While I will agree that it would appear that the cards regarding The OG's situation has already been dealt, for Foley and CBD to post that article with that headline, without official confirmation, is total irresponsibility. While rumours are flying all around, there's no way anyone in the Athletic Department, or in a position to know, would leak to CBD of all sites. D1Baseball's Kendall Rogers, was at the game on Saturday, and spoke to Wayne for 45 minutes afterwards, and simply posted that he expected clarity on the situation within the next 2 weeks. That's responsible journalism/reporting (even if Wayne hinted to him what the decision was going to be).

Spot on.

CBD is basically the National Enquirer of college baseball. I believe literally nothing they write until I read it elsewhere.

(04-23-2018 11:13 AM)OldOwl Wrote:  

(04-23-2018 10:30 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  

(04-23-2018 10:28 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Anyone who uses Brian Foley and College Baseball Daily as a reputable source is out of their minds. While I will agree that it would appear that the cards regarding The OG's situation has already been dealt, for Foley and CBD to post that article with that headline, without official confirmation, is total irresponsibility. While rumours are flying all around, there's no way anyone in the Athletic Department, or in a position to know, would leak to CBD of all sites. D1Baseball's Kendall Rogers, was at the game on Saturday, and spoke to Wayne for 45 minutes afterwards, and simply posted that he expected clarity on the situation within the next 2 weeks. That's responsible journalism/reporting (even if Wayne hinted to him what the decision was going to be).

Spot on. CBD is basically the National Enquirer of college baseball. I believe literally nothing they write until I read it elsewhere.

Fake news. These bums always looking for attention.

We're still bristling from Brian's stirring our pot with his 2010 pre-season dissing of Anthony Rendon's defensive skills:

Brian Foley Wrote:The biggest question mark with Rendon is his defense ...

... followed by an epic comment chain.

http://www.collegebaseballdaily.com/2010...ndon-rice/

Well, as to Foley's take on Rendon, history has proved him to be pretty off on that one.

Here's kendall Roger's article on The OG, just posted on D1baseball-- much more responsibly done...

https://d1baseball.com/columns/graham-ri...g-clarity/

(04-22-2018 04:45 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 03:50 PM)grol Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 11:27 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(04-22-2018 11:00 AM)grol Wrote:  My only comment on this is that it is the AD's job to anticipate and stay in front of the need for coaching changes. Karlgaad needs to work behind the scenes, of course, but also to take charge and demonstrate leadership publicly. Hopefully it is not too late.

Too late for what?

Emphasis added

Ok, is he up against some sort of deadline?

Did you catch Wade’s tweets and the articles after this weekend?

Yeah, Joe was up against a deadline he’s long ago past to demonstrate himself as a leader. Don’t think this is anthing less than the start of a ton of public backlash on him and how he’s handled this. Don’t think it won’t dramatically effect the program and school. And definitely don’t say anything other than you heard it here first even though you thought I was a troll. Now, back to my hole so Walt and Numbers don’t get mad at me for being a real person.

I'm a real boy

(04-24-2018 11:04 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I'm a real boy

Lol. Charter member of the Karlgaard Fan Club has jokes.

(04-24-2018 10:46 PM)BufflOwl Wrote:  Don’t think this is anthing less than the start of a ton of public backlash on him and how he’s handled this. Don’t think it won’t dramatically effect the program and school. And definitely don’t say anything other than you heard it here first even though you thought I was a troll.

I don't think there will be "ton of public backlash" (some, yes, but not a ton), nor do I think it will dramatically affect the program.

Even if it does, I certainly did not hear it from you first.

There aren't even a ton of people who know who the baseball coach for the University of Rice is, much less care.

Karlgaard's future depends to a much greater extent on the Bloomgren hire. If that works out, Karlgaard is golden.

(04-25-2018 08:52 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  There aren't even a ton of people who know who the baseball coach for the University of Rice is, much less care.

Karlgaard's future depends to a much greater extent on the Bloomgren hire. If that works out, Karlgaard is golden.

Until it doesn't. Then somehow it'll be basketball, or some fundraising campaign, or some increase in ticket sales, or something else. We get it. Baseball was the one shot we had and he just convinced all of you it doesn't matter. Sad really.

(04-25-2018 08:57 AM)BufflOwl Wrote:  

(04-25-2018 08:52 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  There aren't even a ton of people who know who the baseball coach for the University of Rice is, much less care.

Karlgaard's future depends to a much greater extent on the Bloomgren hire. If that works out, Karlgaard is golden.

Until it doesn't. Then somehow it'll be basketball, or some fundraising campaign, or some increase in ticket sales, or something else. We get it. Baseball was the one shot we had and he just convinced all of you it doesn't matter. Sad really.

No it isn't. We won it all in 2003, went to Omaha till 2008. Were a top 25 outfit for most of the next decade after that.. and yet...

are in basically the sunbelt.
get 200k in TV revenue

So no.. Baseball was never going to be able to take us to the promised land. Unfortunate, yes - but thats the reality of the situation.

(04-25-2018 02:50 AM)BufflOwl Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 11:04 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I'm a real boy

Lol. Charter member of the Karlgaard Fan Club has jokes.

But it was a damn good joke. You set yourself up with your protestations of being a "real" person.

I haven't followed your running dialogue here. Apparently you want to fire JK, since you tried to insult me by calling me a "Charter member of the Karlgaard fan
club", so that must be a bad thing to you.

I want Rice to win. I am getting to the point that I don't care if we have to do it the P5 way, by cheating. Neither for you or against you. But set yourself up for another joke, and that you will receive.

Maybe next you could say "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."

(04-25-2018 08:52 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  There aren't even a ton of people who know who the baseball coach for the University of Rice is, much less care.

Karlgaard's future depends to a much greater extent on the Bloomgren hire. If that works out, Karlgaard is golden.

Actually, it will depend on what he does in 2-4 years with Bloomgren. If he's getting it done, we probably won't be able to keep him and if he's not, we're going to need to act decisively.


We can't have another 'Basketball' where we fire a career 0.500 coach (which is 'good' for us) and replace him with a succession of coaches who fail miserably or perhaps approach that level (after a year or three of transition) and yet get hired away anyway.

(04-25-2018 09:07 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(04-25-2018 08:57 AM)BufflOwl Wrote:  

(04-25-2018 08:52 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  There aren't even a ton of people who know who the baseball coach for the University of Rice is, much less care.

Karlgaard's future depends to a much greater extent on the Bloomgren hire. If that works out, Karlgaard is golden.

Until it doesn't. Then somehow it'll be basketball, or some fundraising campaign, or some increase in ticket sales, or something else. We get it. Baseball was the one shot we had and he just convinced all of you it doesn't matter. Sad really.

No it isn't. We won it all in 2003, went to Omaha till 2008. Were a top 25 outfit for most of the next decade after that.. and yet...

are in basically the sunbelt.
get 200k in TV revenue

So no.. Baseball was never going to be able to take us to the promised land. Unfortunate, yes - but thats the reality of the situation.

+1 on that.

We were a feel good story in college athletics for a solid decade+ with an elite program and a modern stadium that always had a crowd that made everyone except the heart of the SEC jealous. Remember when we were a top 10 ranked team and also had top 10 baseball attendance?

What did it get us? Some nice memories and some hardware to collect dust in the baseball office. Our attendance sucks and our facilities are now merely normal. It wasn't enough to allow us to move up in conferences (no one cares about baseball...its a net loser except for perennial Omaha teams), and instead we are in one of the worst conferences ever thanks to perpetually under-performing revenue sports. Even Cougar High has been able to keep up with the Joneses. Whatever "shot" you are talking about with respect to our baseball program's success has long come and gone. Compare us to the great SoCal Trojans who have 12 NCAA baseball titles to their name with the last coming in 1998: today they are likely worse than this year's version of the Owls and recently went through a stretch of no postseason for 9 years. At least they continue to have a marquee football program and an occasionally decent MBB squad to buoy their athletic department, along with all of that P5 conference money and a huge alumni base. We compare more favorably to Pepperdine (and potentially CSF) who won a single title in 1992 and continue to be on the periphery of NCAA postseason participation but have not fielded a top 25 team in quite a while; this is likely our future in a best case scenario. Past success has zero correlation with future performance in modern college athletics. The AD's job is to manage teams where both players and coaches are turning over every 2-3 years.

The only coherent argument the Graham apologists can make for his continued employment is a cynical take that the baseball team's performance really doesn't matter in the face of nostalgia and JK & Co. should be free to run the program completely into the dirt just like football and MBB. No one is making an argument that OG has more Omaha runs in him or if he can even make the NCAA tourney going forward. We are a bubble regional team at best and have no business on the field against super-regional type competition. The Graham apologists just want to run a museum of baseball and turn Rice baseball into something similar to the MLB scene from the movie "Interstellar". Let's just allow Wayne stay here forever; maybe he can coach a team of baseball alumni like Wade against some up and coming intramural players and we can all get our nostalgia fixes in. At least then, it would feel normal when the opponent walks off in the middle of an inning thanks to bad pre-game negotiations. Also, we wouldn't have the stigma of only winning one conference series in a season (we used to only lose one conference series per season).

(04-25-2018 11:12 AM)flash3200 Wrote:  

(04-25-2018 09:07 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(04-25-2018 08:57 AM)BufflOwl Wrote:  

(04-25-2018 08:52 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  There aren't even a ton of people who know who the baseball coach for the University of Rice is, much less care.

Karlgaard's future depends to a much greater extent on the Bloomgren hire. If that works out, Karlgaard is golden.

Until it doesn't. Then somehow it'll be basketball, or some fundraising campaign, or some increase in ticket sales, or something else. We get it. Baseball was the one shot we had and he just convinced all of you it doesn't matter. Sad really.

No it isn't. We won it all in 2003, went to Omaha till 2008. Were a top 25 outfit for most of the next decade after that.. and yet...

are in basically the sunbelt.
get 200k in TV revenue

So no.. Baseball was never going to be able to take us to the promised land. Unfortunate, yes - but thats the reality of the situation.

+1 on that.

We were a feel good story in college athletics for a solid decade+ with an elite program and a modern stadium that always had a crowd that made everyone except the heart of the SEC jealous. Remember when we were a top 10 ranked team and also had top 10 baseball attendance?

What did it get us? Some nice memories and some hardware to collect dust in the baseball office. Our attendance sucks and our facilities are now merely normal. It wasn't enough to allow us to move up in conferences (no one cares about baseball...its a net loser except for perennial Omaha teams), and instead we are in one of the worst conferences ever thanks to perpetually under-performing revenue sports. Even Cougar High has been able to keep up with the Joneses. Whatever "shot" you are talking about with respect to our baseball program's success has long come and gone. Compare us to the great SoCal Trojans who have 12 NCAA baseball titles to their name with the last coming in 1998: today they are likely worse than this year's version of the Owls and recently went through a stretch of no postseason for 9 years. At least they continue to have a marquee football program and an occasionally decent MBB squad to buoy their athletic department, along with all of that P5 conference money and a huge alumni base. We compare more favorably to Pepperdine (and potentially CSF) who won a single title in 1992 and continue to be on the periphery of NCAA postseason participation but have not fielded a top 25 team in quite a while; this is likely our future in a best case scenario. Past success has zero correlation with future performance in modern college athletics. The AD's job is to manage teams where both players and coaches are turning over every 2-3 years.

The only coherent argument the Graham apologists can make for his continued employment is a cynical take that the baseball team's performance really doesn't matter in the face of nostalgia and JK & Co. should be free to run the program completely into the dirt just like football and MBB. No one is making an argument that OG has more Omaha runs in him or if he can even make the NCAA tourney going forward. We are a bubble regional team at best and have no business on the field against super-regional type competition. The Graham apologists just want to run a museum of baseball and turn Rice baseball into something similar to the MLB scene from the movie "Interstellar". Let's just allow Wayne stay here forever; maybe he can coach a team of baseball alumni like Wade against some up and coming intramural players and we can all get our nostalgia fixes in. At least then, it would feel normal when the opponent walks off in the middle of an inning thanks to bad pre-game negotiations. Also, we wouldn't have the stigma of only winning one conference series in a season (we used to only lose one conference series per season).

Anyone that went to Rice from 1997 to 2013 is offended.

(04-25-2018 11:12 AM)flash3200 Wrote:  We are a bubble regional team at best and have no business on the field against super-regional type competition.

Considering the high schools area, we have the potential to be a top 10 team year after year after year...

(04-25-2018 11:18 AM)dranoel48 Wrote:  Anyone that went to Rice from 1997 to 2013 is offended.

???