(01-17-2018 09:28 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 09:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 12:35 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I have a 23 and 27 year old sons.....

I'm very afraid for them and told them to be very very careful. To be honest Its going to come a time when a male needs a recorded statement of YES or a signed statement before doing anything.

Now I have a question, who here has went out on a date in your late teens to early 20s and you parked somewhere or go back to your or her place (if you had one). You start kissing and and your hands start moving on the leg and up to the ass or the thigh. The girl laughs and says stop that pushing your hand away playfully. A few minutes later you are kissing again and you try to make your move and this time she lets you rub for a few seconds before laughing again and says no no no....

So you start talking and she reaches in to kiss you and rubbing your chest which gives you the sign it's OK to try again. At least to you that's the way you take it.

Now I know to a couple of you that's sexual abuse, if you tried it the first time and to at least one of you it's probably prison time of 5+ years. If you tried it the 2nd time That's the world we live in.

To me it's dating and trying to do what males have done since the beginning of time....MATE. You are not forcing anyone to do nothing they don't want to. You are not groping a unwilling female. Girls like to play games. Some like to play hard to get. Some don't want you to think they are easy. Hell most are as horny as you but just want you to work for it.

Who here has not played that game at some point in their teens to mid 20s? If you say you stopped the first time.....

you probably still using that hand

Unless your 23 and/or 27 year old sons are VIPs that could get ruined by the media, they are probably ok to play the game we did. The law is still on their side.

Yeah, but the law doesn't really matter until much later on if a dude is falsely accused. By that time a life can be ruined. I'm also glad I don't have to deal with the nonsense but will definitely being having a nice long talk with my son when the time comes.

The likelihood of an average middle-class joe being falsely accused and then prosecuted with lack of evidence is probably no higher now than it was 20 years ago, with the exception of a university or workplace setting or maybe even in cases where they have the same circle of friends. I don't think a single 25 year old male staff accountant going out on a date with a female nurse he met at the grocery store or on Tinder really has much to worry about. The police would need evidence and even a crooked DA like Mike Nifong wouldn't get stars in his eyes over this.

(01-16-2018 11:54 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  The fact that this hit piece received almost universal condemnation is a good sign I think. If everybody started piling on and calling for his head, that would be a sign the movement jumped the shark. Seems like common sense is prevailing here.

By this woman’s own account, she wasn’t forced into anything. He was pushy sure, but she could have stopped this at any time. She wasn’t wasted, and they had a consensual encounter. When she finally did tell him no, he immediately stopped.

The fact that this came out right after he won a (well deserved) award is just gross. Hopefully it doesn’t hurt his career too badly.

Garbage like this makes it harder for real assault victims to be taken seriously.

The problem is that it didn't get universal condemnation. There were lots of people supporting her and attacking him. Some of the "condemnations" basically condemned him and all men as well. Its a good sign it got some condemnation.

(01-17-2018 09:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 12:35 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I have a 23 and 27 year old sons.....

I'm very afraid for them and told them to be very very careful. To be honest Its going to come a time when a male needs a recorded statement of YES or a signed statement before doing anything.

Now I have a question, who here has went out on a date in your late teens to early 20s and you parked somewhere or go back to your or her place (if you had one). You start kissing and and your hands start moving on the leg and up to the ass or the thigh. The girl laughs and says stop that pushing your hand away playfully. A few minutes later you are kissing again and you try to make your move and this time she lets you rub for a few seconds before laughing again and says no no no....

So you start talking and she reaches in to kiss you and rubbing your chest which gives you the sign it's OK to try again. At least to you that's the way you take it.

Now I know to a couple of you that's sexual abuse, if you tried it the first time and to at least one of you it's probably prison time of 5+ years. If you tried it the 2nd time That's the world we live in.

To me it's dating and trying to do what males have done since the beginning of time....MATE. You are not forcing anyone to do nothing they don't want to. You are not groping a unwilling female. Girls like to play games. Some like to play hard to get. Some don't want you to think they are easy. Hell most are as horny as you but just want you to work for it.

Who here has not played that game at some point in their teens to mid 20s? If you say you stopped the first time.....

you probably still using that hand

Unless your 23 and/or 27 year old sons are VIPs that could get ruined by the media, they are probably ok to play the game we did. The law is still on their side.

But social media is not. People can splash their complaints all over the internet. There was a "How I Met Your Mother" episode about that. Barney had been a jerk, but had used Ted's name. Ted couldn't get a date.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/1/16...abe-me-too

There is a lot of this type of "condemnation." Basically saying she was right to out him for being overly aggressive, without noting that she initiated a good bit too until she didn't like it anymore.

He really needs to make her name public. She's done it to him. All he has to do is name her. Then men would know to avoid her like the plague. But it sounds like he is a lot saner and classier than her.

(01-16-2018 05:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 05:38 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 03:04 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  All I can say is thank God that I'm past the point in my life where I am out looking. I wouldn't enjoy playing by these rules.

amen to that....nuts zongo would prolly still be in jail.....
I have that weekly convo with my daughter about the consequences of the forked tongue and how it could be captured.....
4:20, Glenlivet, naps, and a hockey/baseball game is gudenov for moi into the eve.....I beg she still has a chance to enjoy such moving forward......
disclaimer: she doesn't drink or smoke.....how 'bout dem apples, eh???

My son is still in the target age range, but he's in Tokyo with a live-in girlfriend. And he's already been to spend a weekend with her family at their place on Kyushu, which is kind of final in Japanese society.

http://reason.com/blog/2018/01/16/if-azi...tudent-he/

Crazy stuff on college campuses:
"...Consider a few Title IX cases where young men suffered severe consequences for engaging in behavior quite similar to Ansari's, or even less obviously bad.
At Occidental College, a male student, "John Doe," had sex with a female student, "Jane Roe." Jane had every intention of sleeping with John—she had asked him to keep a condom handy. Later, she felt badly about the experience, and was persuaded by a sociology professor that because she was impaired by alcohol during the encounter, she couldn't have given consent. John was eventually expelled.
At Amherst College, two intoxicated students, "John Doe," and "Jane Roe," retired to a dorm room, where Jane performed oral sex on John. John would later claim he blacked out while this was happening, and had little memory of it. Amherst administrators deemed his story "credible," but noted that drunkenness was never an excuse for engaging in nonconsensual sex—which is what Jane accused John of, two years later. He was expelled.
Two Michigan State University students, "Nathan" and "Melanie" agreed to meet up for sex in the summer of 2014. According to Bridge, Melanie was interested in an emotional, romantic relationship, while Nathan just wanted casual sex with a friend. They were interrupted during their sexual encounter—they were doing it in a car—which made Melanie extremely upset, and called to mind a traumatic experience from her past. Nathan, according to Melanie, did a bad job of comforting her, and then tried to resume the encounter by reaching under Melanie's shirt and touching her bra. She said no, and he stopped—and that was the end of their relationship. A year later, Melanie underwent surgery to transition to a man. Afraid of running into Nathan in the men's restroom at MSU, she filed a Title IX complaint alleging that he had violated the university's sexual misconduct policy during the rendezvous in the car. Nathan was found responsible.
At the University of Southern California, "Jane Roe" and "John Doe" met up at an off-campus fraternity party and started dancing. Later that night, they went to a bedroom to have sex. Both agreed that this first encounter was consensual; it was the second encounter that Jane later disputed. This time, two other males—students from a different university—joined them. The sex became rougher than Jane wanted, and one of the other students—not John—slapped Jane on the butt. She started to cry, and the encounter came to a premature end. Jane needed counselling after the incident, and eventually decided to initiate a Title IX complaint. Since John was the only other participant in the orgy who actually attended USC, he became its subject. Jane admitted that John hadn't raped her, but he had failed to prevent the other guys from slapping her—he wasn't attuned to her needs, or looking out for her interests. Accused of 11 separate sexual misconduct violations, John was found guilty of two and suspended for a year.
I could cite dozens more cases of drunken hookups gone wrong, misinterpreted signals, and unmet expectations that culminated in powerful institutions punishing young men for sexual assault...."

(01-17-2018 09:45 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 09:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 12:35 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I have a 23 and 27 year old sons.....

I'm very afraid for them and told them to be very very careful. To be honest Its going to come a time when a male needs a recorded statement of YES or a signed statement before doing anything.

Now I have a question, who here has went out on a date in your late teens to early 20s and you parked somewhere or go back to your or her place (if you had one). You start kissing and and your hands start moving on the leg and up to the ass or the thigh. The girl laughs and says stop that pushing your hand away playfully. A few minutes later you are kissing again and you try to make your move and this time she lets you rub for a few seconds before laughing again and says no no no....

So you start talking and she reaches in to kiss you and rubbing your chest which gives you the sign it's OK to try again. At least to you that's the way you take it.

Now I know to a couple of you that's sexual abuse, if you tried it the first time and to at least one of you it's probably prison time of 5+ years. If you tried it the 2nd time That's the world we live in.

To me it's dating and trying to do what males have done since the beginning of time....MATE. You are not forcing anyone to do nothing they don't want to. You are not groping a unwilling female. Girls like to play games. Some like to play hard to get. Some don't want you to think they are easy. Hell most are as horny as you but just want you to work for it.

Who here has not played that game at some point in their teens to mid 20s? If you say you stopped the first time.....

you probably still using that hand

Unless your 23 and/or 27 year old sons are VIPs that could get ruined by the media, they are probably ok to play the game we did. The law is still on their side.

But social media is not. People can splash their complaints all over the internet. There was a "How I Met Your Mother" episode about that. Barney had been a jerk, but had used Ted's name. Ted couldn't get a date.

http://tedmosbyisajerk.com

(01-17-2018 03:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  At Amherst College, two intoxicated students, "John Doe," and "Jane Roe," retired to a dorm room, where Jane performed oral sex on John. John would later claim he blacked out while this was happening, and had little memory of it. Amherst administrators deemed his story "credible," but noted that drunkenness was never an excuse for engaging in nonconsensual sex—which is what Jane accused John of, two years later. He was expelled.

Wait a second, if he was drunk enough to pass out during it, surely he was too drunk to consent! She should have been expelled too!

(01-16-2018 11:07 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 05:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 05:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 05:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opini...%2Fopinion

The only good thing is that a lot of these people won't reproduce and instill their values in children.

"A recent survey by The Economist/YouGov found that approximately 25 percent of millennial-age American men think asking someone for a drink is harassment. More than a third of millennial men and women say that if a man compliments a woman’s looks it is harassment."

I question all these polls of "millennials."

One of my female classmates in college was talking about how she was overweight and all that, but she was not fat or anything. I told her that whoever told you that you are fat must have their eyes check, but you look fine and healthy to me. She told me thank you for saying that. It is this whole fat shaming going on that is making women and girls look deathly thin. It is these sick perverted males want their models and actresses want them to be a certain look. It makes these women look weaker and easier to take advantage of that. Somebody like Queen Latifah would knock their heads off if they tried to sexually harassed her.

While that is nice of you I think you’re conflating two seperate issues.

I’m the first to say a girl looks better with 5 extra lbs than 5 under but that’s not the same thing as a 300lb fatass claiming she is the new normal in a country facing an obesity epidemic.

The point I am making is that if a guy tells the female that they are not fat, and look great? The female then turns around and claimed that you sexuall verbal harassed her wheh in fact that you are just trying to make her feel better that she looks fine the way she is.

(01-17-2018 04:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 11:07 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 05:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 05:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 05:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opini...%2Fopinion

The only good thing is that a lot of these people won't reproduce and instill their values in children.

"A recent survey by The Economist/YouGov found that approximately 25 percent of millennial-age American men think asking someone for a drink is harassment. More than a third of millennial men and women say that if a man compliments a woman’s looks it is harassment."

I question all these polls of "millennials."

One of my female classmates in college was talking about how she was overweight and all that, but she was not fat or anything. I told her that whoever told you that you are fat must have their eyes check, but you look fine and healthy to me. She told me thank you for saying that. It is this whole fat shaming going on that is making women and girls look deathly thin. It is these sick perverted males want their models and actresses want them to be a certain look. It makes these women look weaker and easier to take advantage of that. Somebody like Queen Latifah would knock their heads off if they tried to sexually harassed her.

While that is nice of you I think you’re conflating two seperate issues.

I’m the first to say a girl looks better with 5 extra lbs than 5 under but that’s not the same thing as a 300lb fatass claiming she is the new normal in a country facing an obesity epidemic.

The point I am making is that if a guy tells the female that they are not fat, and look great? The female then turns around and claimed that you sexuall verbal harassed her wheh in fact that you are just trying to make her feel better that she looks fine the way she is.

Never comment on a woman's looks. Nothing good comes from it. Lesson learned long ago. Example: wife gets a new hairstyle...she asks, how does it look?

A. Good
B. Bad
C. Niether

C. Is correct. Grunt, change the subject, flee, blackout.

A. Wrong. You mean it looked bad before. You are lying because it's obviously worse. No win.

B. Wrong. Obvious.

I'm waiting for someone to accuse a tattoo artist for inappropriately felling someone's arse while tattooing it.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/ashlei...spartanntp

Hilarious. Author of hit piece criticizes Banfield who critiqued her article by calling her old with bad highlights and bad lipstick. I guess any site that goes by Babe, well, that says it all. Food Babe, Babe, etc.

(01-17-2018 06:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/ashlei...spartanntp

Hilarious. Author of hit piece criticizes Banfield who critiqued her article by calling her old with bad highlights and bad lipstick. I guess any site that goes by Babe, well, that says it all. Food Babe, Babe, etc.

Banfield is correct. This supposed writer of that piece against the actor went too far. This is how bad some women treat others with nasty vile comments. Ann Coulter and Rosie O'Donnell are two prime examples of women who throws nasty insults at others.

Michael Martin Murphey on the subject:

Hey daddy I've got a problem
Last night I took my girlfriend for a ride
And the way she touched my hand dad
Got this funny feeling deep inside
So I leaned over and I kissed her
Put my arms around her and then
Well she reached up and she slapped me
Said you're just like all the other men

Son you're talking to the wrong man
If you want to know what girls are all about
You're talking to the wrong man
I still ain't got your mama figured out

By the way son I've got a problem
I wonder could you talk with me awhile
See lately your mama she ignores me
Hardly ever gives me a little smile
So I was thinkin' maybe you could show me
The way you younger fellas comb your hair
Think I need to change my style son
Could you show me something really cool to wear

Dad you're talking to the wrong man
If you want to know what girls are all about
You're talking to the wrong man
Still ain't got my girlfriend figured out

So I guess we'll just go fishing
Maybe head out to that old golf course today
When our buddies ask us about women
I think I know exactly what we'll say

Boys you're talking to the wrong men
If you want to know what girls are all about
You're talking to the wrong men
Still ain't got them women figured out
Still ain't got them women figured out

https://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/murp...24337.html

Now, an accuser is accusing Michael Douglas.

We already have laws to deal with all of this.

https://reason.com/blog/2018/01/18/a-fal...ir-investi

This one sounds REALLY flagrant. 24 hr expulsion without even interviewing the complaintant, let alone witnesses or the accused.