(01-15-2018 07:39 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 05:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  There needs to be eight FBS teams and Denver and Omaha have already filled the non fb quotient.

Beside, Seattle would leave in an instant for the WCC. One has to have committed partners for a new adventurous league to even proceed.

Pretty sure the minimum number for an FBS conference is 7. At least, that was the number back when the WAC was imploding.

It is now 8 FBS teams to qualify as an FBS conference. In 2025 or so, that would give the conference a shot of $1 million+ per team from the CFP pool.

The Dakota's and Omaha are not wanted by the MVC, Denver is not wanted by the WCC, and Weber, Idaho and the Montana's are not wanted by the MWC. All ten of them could be committed to make something of a conference together that they can't now because of weaker partners. All of them are not intimidated by cold and travel, which cant be said for much of the Big Sky, MVC, MWC etc. Birds of a feather, which is academically, athletically, and fan bases have to flock together.

And meanwhile the clock keeps ticking, your guaranteed date of April 20th keeps getting closer.


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(01-15-2018 08:36 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  And meanwhile the clock keeps ticking, your guaranteed date of April 20th keeps getting closer.

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Your AD seems to be planning on UVU as a rival for the future now. Good for you Bengals that someone recognizes the inevitability of a lower rank conference.

The Portland State board is an interesting read. They don't believe the fans here that say everything happens for no reason.. They think a Big Sky split is happening and they are worried about landing on the wrong side. No posts by me either. Portland St has a new AD too. The weaker schools admin have had a run for the exits. Some say there is a reason.

How does a school with a $14.6M athletic budget have a $5.8M shortfall? That's a 40% gap between expenses and revenues where they had a ~$1M shortfall last year. I have a hard time believing revenues could change that dramatically from year-to-year, even if there were a substantial reduction in student fees. I get a strong feeling someone was cooking the books - I wonder how often that happens and schools get away with it.

(01-14-2018 03:58 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Weber St will move up instead. EWU just doesn t have the endowment capacity.

Wow, the tinfoil hat must have moved!

Weber has a smaller athletic budget than EWU, and they're 9th and 10th in the Big Sky respectively. Facility upgrades are great, but that doesn't mean you have the resources to go FBS. Neither school has the fundraising operations necessary to make a go of it and be any better off than Idaho was.

(01-16-2018 11:37 AM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  How does a school with a $14.6M athletic budget have a $5.8M shortfall? That's a 40% gap between expenses and revenues where they had a ~$1M shortfall last year. I have a hard time believing revenues could change that dramatically from year-to-year, even if there were a substantial reduction in student fees. I get a strong feeling someone was cooking the books - I wonder how often that happens and schools get away with it.

(01-14-2018 03:58 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Weber St will move up instead. EWU just doesn t have the endowment capacity.

Wow, the tinfoil hat must have moved!

Weber has a smaller athletic budget than EWU, and they're 9th and 10th in the Big Sky respectively. Facility upgrades are great, but that doesn't mean you have the resources to go FBS. Neither school has the fundraising operations necessary to make a go of it and be any better off than Idaho was.

Yup

Idaho has and had serious political concerns that make even bad FBS football a desirable goal. Those same political issues don't exist for the other hypothetical Great North schools. Which is why I remain a skeptic, even though I'd rather live in NoDak's world than the real one.

Plus, I don't see a feasible 8th football school other than NMSU.

The Jokes on here write themselves!

NoDak:EWU is a lock for FBS
CSNBBS: UND just hired EWU's AD.
NODAK:Nevermind, it Weber now! EWU AD is coming to UND for FBS
CSNBBS:Your new AD left EWU in a 5 million dollar hole.
NODAK: If EWU had Hockey and FBS, they would have a huge surplus!

(01-16-2018 01:31 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  Idaho has and had serious political concerns that make even bad FBS football a desirable goal. Those same political issues don't exist for the other hypothetical Great North schools. Which is why I remain a skeptic, even though I'd rather live in NoDak's world than the real one.

Plus, I don't see a feasible 8th football school other than NMSU.

I actually like his plan too and your right, the only feasible #8 is NMSU

Sincerely hope that those brain surgeons exclaming Weber States athletic budget realize the a tuition there is only $4770 for a full year Of course the AD budget is low because the tuition is low. . Weber St has over 26k enrollment too, so like UTSA and Charlotte they might fund FBS by student fees. No stadium enlargement would be needed and they already announced a new student athlete workout center there like Montana has built. FBS startup costs there might be the lowest in the country.

Comparing AD budgets with private schools with $50 k tuition, much be which can be waived, is just ludricrous.

(01-16-2018 04:52 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Sincerely hope that those brain surgeons exclaming Weber States athletic budget realize the a tuition there is only $4770 for a full year Of course the AD budget is low because the tuition is low. . Weber St has over 26k enrollment too, so like UTSA and Charlotte they might fund FBS by student fees. No stadium enlargement would be needed and they already announced a new student athlete workout center there like Montana has built. FBS startup costs there might be the lowest in the country.

Comparing AD budgets with private schools with $50 k tuition, much be which can be waived, is just ludricrous.

$13 Million budget is less than half needed to have a whisper of a chance of being successful. Weber isn't even close to that.

There is only a $1K difference between instate Montana and instate Weber. And why bother bringing up private schools, since none are in discussion for your dream .

(01-14-2018 05:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Weber St already has an FBS level stadium, but they just recently announced an attached workout and student athlete center. Weber has also been the recent class of Big Sky fb, as they made the FCS semi.

NAU's AD recently skeedaddled too, as she went to UTSA. Its race to stay out of the Big Sky dregs for administrators.

http://www.standard.net/Weber-State/2016...rt-Stadium

Is this what you are referencing at Weber? Not much to see there. Weber is NOT moving up to FBS. That may be funnier then saying EWU were going to move up.

By the way, congrats, your under water athletic department just hired a new AD who placed his last school's AD budget under water. Really, really funny stuff going on in Whiouxville.

(01-14-2018 02:14 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  I'm sorta waiting to see when this happens at the FBS level.

It doesn't happen because you transfer funds! Geez Louise.

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Weber only has to compete with 3 FBS Schools within 100 miles plus UVU and SUU within the state. If you think they are going FBS you are on meth.


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(01-17-2018 06:35 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Weber only has to compete with 3 FBS Schools within 100 miles plus UVU and SUU within the state. If you think they are going FBS you are on meth.


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The impact is finally hitting you. You just have to join all the other ISU meth heads.

Weber St knows they need to protect their mbb rivalries. Being left in the Sky is just unacceptable to their mbb program. Their fb has responded to more money being injected, as they barely lost to JMU, which wiped out SDSU.

The three FBS programs locally is not a bad thing, as those three would host with mmajor guarantees. BYU could always use late season games.

Quote:In a press release and video interview, the President of @CentralWashU announced plans to renovate and build new athletic facilities.
AND build up on the campus, in order to achieve the dream of Central becoming a D1 FCS capacity school by 2020-2021️

https://twitter.com/NW_Spotlight/status/...0056022016

(01-17-2018 08:45 PM)NoQuestion Wrote:  

Quote:In a press release and video interview, the President of @CentralWashU announced plans to renovate and build new athletic facilities.
AND build up on the campus, in order to achieve the dream of Central becoming a D1 FCS capacity school by 2020-2021️

https://twitter.com/NW_Spotlight/status/...0056022016

At least EWU, Portland St and Idaho St would have another bus partner. The NCAA needs to change their rules to allow Simon Fraser in to DI. Azusa Pacifiic and Dixie St are the next objects of the rump Big Sky's desires.

The Big Sky as is would never allow CWU in, as the Big dogs have to leave first. The CWU President knows something this board doesnt. CWU can't move up to FCS without an invite.

Montana, MT St, Idaho, and Weber St will have to give their two years notice first for no exit fees. CWU will be invited for the year after they leave.

Just remember all of your hallucinations need to happen by April 20, 2018 as per your guarantee.


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(01-17-2018 09:36 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 08:45 PM)NoQuestion Wrote:  

Quote:In a press release and video interview, the President of @CentralWashU announced plans to renovate and build new athletic facilities.
AND build up on the campus, in order to achieve the dream of Central becoming a D1 FCS capacity school by 2020-2021️

https://twitter.com/NW_Spotlight/status/...0056022016

At least EWU, Portland St and Idaho St would have another bus partner. The NCAA needs to change their rules to allow Simon Fraser in to DI. Azusa Pacifiic and Dixie St are the next objects of the rump Big Sky's desires.

The Big Sky as is would never allow CWU in, as the Big dogs have to leave first. The CWU President knows something this board doesnt. CWU can't move up to FCS without an invite.

Montana, MT St, Idaho, and Weber St will have to give their two years notice first for no exit fees. CWU will be invited for the year after they leave.

Don't get too carried away. The CWU facilities have needed improvement for a long time including a football stadium with real restrooms and not port-a-potties. There are still several hurdles.

1. Budget would need to more than double. They would be trading 3 Alaska trips each year for multiple trips to AZ, UT, CO, CA, and MT in all sports.
2. Football offers less than 20 scholarships, maybe less than 10. All sports would need to increase scholarship totals.
3. They don't have enough sports for D1.
4. Then, the invite from the only conference with any interest - the Big Sky - which likely only happens after 3 more schools leave and the BSC decides to take a D2 call-up.

CWU budget would have to double to compete at the Big Sky FCS level. Their budget is $6.84 million, and most of the Big Sky are operating a bit higher. The nearest comparisons would be EWU $14.67 million and ISU $15.44 million. (Numbers are total expenses, USDOE reported).

You are probably looking at about $7 million increase -- this includes at least $1 Million in compliance costs. With a little over 10,000 students that would require about $700 per student. A small portion of that would be recouped at the D-I level, such as around $250 K from the Football playoffs (average FCS share) and probably some merchandise, donations and gate. $1-2 Million is a fair estimate of the increase (I wont speculate if they would be on the low or the high side of that). There is also likely to be a two year "novelty" windfall, but a smart budget guru would simply factor $1-2 Million in as non recurring revenue (a nice bonus, don't plan to get that every year). All in all probably $5 Million needs to be raised by the school annually to pay for D-I. That would either come in the form of a fee, about $500 per student, or a transfer of state tax dollars from the institution to cover the shortfall, or some combination (most likely). A good plan would be to have the students pass a D-I fee like UCSD did, but on a smaller scale, say $200 annually per student, and the school would cover the rest (indirect tax, as tuition will go up another $250 to cover the shortfall, but most people wont notice).

Upon examination, if the donations are there to fund the facilities upgrades, and the students will support an athletic fee, then this school is large enough to successfully move up should the WAC or Big Sky extend an invite.

(01-18-2018 02:02 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 09:36 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 08:45 PM)NoQuestion Wrote:  

Quote:In a press release and video interview, the President of @CentralWashU announced plans to renovate and build new athletic facilities.
AND build up on the campus, in order to achieve the dream of Central becoming a D1 FCS capacity school by 2020-2021️

https://twitter.com/NW_Spotlight/status/...0056022016

At least EWU, Portland St and Idaho St would have another bus partner. The NCAA needs to change their rules to allow Simon Fraser in to DI. Azusa Pacifiic and Dixie St are the next objects of the rump Big Sky's desires.

The Big Sky as is would never allow CWU in, as the Big dogs have to leave first. The CWU President knows something this board doesnt. CWU can't move up to FCS without an invite.

Montana, MT St, Idaho, and Weber St will have to give their two years notice first for no exit fees. CWU will be invited for the year after they leave.

Don't get too carried away. The CWU facilities have needed improvement for a long time including a football stadium with real restrooms and not port-a-potties. There are still several hurdles.

1. Budget would need to more than double. They would be trading 3 Alaska trips each year for multiple trips to AZ, UT, CO, CA, and MT in all sports.
2. Football offers less than 20 scholarships, maybe less than 10. All sports would need to increase scholarship totals.
3. They don't have enough sports for D1.
4. Then, the invite from the only conference with any interest - the Big Sky - which likely only happens after 3 more schools leave and the BSC decides to take a D2 call-up.

S Dak St only had porta potties for years at FCS. CWU can move up as is if they get an invite.

Counted 15 sport's for DIi. Track counts for four teams. M&W Rugby could be problematic though. Replace them with lax.

No MT trips as they would be gone. Seattle probably joins too.