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RE: It's official
(01-12-2018 11:35 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
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Was it a salient point though? I don't believe they were talking about basic immigration issues, but rather bringing in folks from other countries who are escaping horrific situations, like natural disasters and political strife.

American citizenship is not some sort of global right. We owe nothing to people escaping horrific situations, whether Norweigan or Haitian or anyone in-between, except an opportunity to legally immigrate to this country via our rules, our regulations, and our determination of quota or exclusions for certain countries.

Again, I don't think they were talking about citizenship were they? I thought it was more like temporary status stuff. Which I believe is escaping things like natural disasters, political strife, civil wars, etc.

Let's reverse back into the "salient" point because that is certainly the crux of the matter.

It is not our fault, as Americans, that current situations in many countries are so ridden with poverty, corruption, incompetence, crime and political repression (ie, shithole) that the United States of America should put in place special immigration status simply based on the shithole qualities of those nations.

Tom, I want this country to concentrate on Americans, and that includes a secure border, immigration controls, and the ability to say "no more," or "not from there."



Once again you are absolutely ignorant of the facts and history. The United States is absolutely the reason why Haiti is the way it is.

Open a history book for Christ sake.

Nope they have god awful corrupt politicians who steal all of the money that comes from other countries. Regarding the USA, if you are talking about the scam the Clintons pulled off down there after the earthquake then yeah. From the early 1900's.
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Now Truillo who ran the DR from the 30's to the 60's was a corrupt dictator......he was hell bent of modernizing the country and he did.


n the first decades of the 20th century Haiti experienced great political instability and was heavily in debt to France, Germany and the United States. Fearing possible foreign intervention, President Woodrow Wilson sent U.S. Marines into Haiti in December 1914, just after the outbreak of World War I. They removed $500,000 from the Haitian National Bank for "safe-keeping" (sic) in New York, thus giving the United States control of the bank.

In an expression of the Theodore Roosevelt Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine, the United States occupied the island in July 1915 after the assassination of Haiti's president, Vilbrun Guillaume Sam. The pro-U.S. Haitian president had been dragged from the French legation and killed in the street by local insurgents after he had ordered 167 political prisoners killed. USS Washington, under Rear Admiral Caperton, arrived in Port-au-Prince to try to restore order and protect U.S. interests. This began a nearly 20-year occupation by U.S. forces. Within days, the Marines had taken control of the capital city and its banks and customs house which controlled all the finances of the island nation. The Marines declared martial law and severely censored the press. Within weeks a new pro-U.S. Haitian president, Philippe Sudré Dartiguenave, had been installed and a new constitution written that was favorable to the interests of the United States. The new constitution included a clause that allowed, for the first time, foreign ownership of land in Haiti, which was bitterly opposed by the Haitian legislature and citizenry.
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RE: It's official
(01-12-2018 10:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Trump is a racist. I am a racist

This isn't news to anyone. Everyone on this forum knows it. Some people don't care.

But let's call a spade a spade.

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RE: It's official
(01-12-2018 11:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Trump is a racist.

This isn't news to anyone. Everyone on this forum knows it. Some people don't care.

But let's call a spade a spade.

People are going to be on this forum all day trying to deflect, point the finger at other people and say things like. " But Hillary this" and "but Obama that".


Let's not pretend anymore. The man's immigration policy comes from a personal hatred of the browning of America.

Please define for the the term I just bolded. Just what is a "spade"??

I guess I find it a bit ironic that you would use what MANY would term as a racist saying - and you aren't part of the group that would howl so you're not off the hook that way.

Now, because I'm not looking for something offensive under every rock and on every word, I really don't care - but a guarantee you there are people that would accuse you of being racist while saying someone else is racist just by what you typed in the bold above.......

Care to defend yourself?

Sorry I had no idea you had never heard the phrase.

Perhaps this will help.

To "call a spade a spade" is a figurative expression which refers to calling something "as it is",[1] that is, by its right or proper name, without "beating about the bush"—being outspoken about it, truthfully, frankly, and directly, even to the point of being blunt or rude, and even if the subject is considered coarse, impolite, or unpleasant. The idiom originates in the classical Greek of Plutarch's Apophthegmata Laconica, and was introduced into the English language in 1542 in Nicolas Udall's translation of the Apophthegmes, where Erasmus had seemingly replaced Plutarch's images of "trough" and "fig" with the more familiar "spade." The idiom has appeared in many literary and popular works, including those of Oscar Wilde, Charles Dickens, W. Somerset Maugham, and Jonathan Swift.

call a spade a spade
To address or describe the true nature of someone or something, even if it is unpleasant. The term originated from a translation of an ancient Greek phrase, but is considered offensive by some due to the later use of the word "spade" as a racial slur
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RE: It's official
(01-12-2018 11:31 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:29 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:20 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
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(01-12-2018 11:14 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  WTF is this thread? And this is coming from a brown person. Plot twist, I am Hispanic and I support Trump. 07-coffee3

I've think I've told you this before but one of my best friends parents legally immigrated from Mexico and he thinks Mexico is a shithole and a huge Trump supporter. It's usually wussy pajama boys that spout of their nonsensical indoctrination.

As someone who was born in Mexico, migrated here legally, joined the Marines, became a US Citizen the right way, I can tell you that Mexico is truly a shithole.

I concur. I had to travel to Mexico for business 2 years ago. The company we visited had a driver for us at all times. We stayed in a hotel that was within a compound. We could not safely leave the compound without an escort due to the high risk of being kidnapped, robbed or killed.

Having said all that, I have no problem with immigration from Mexico or other parts of Latin America IF: 1) they can come here with marketable skills, 2) they come immediate contributors to our society by serving our country or joining our workforce and 3) they WANT to assimilate into our culture and 4) they do so LEGALLY.

The same goes for ALL countries in the world. As long as the immigrants legally immigrate, have marketable skills, join the workforce immediately and desire to fully assimilate into American culture - I have zero issues with that kind of immigrant.

Once again you are missing the point.

It's not about the country it's about the people.

Trump was saying he doesn't want Haitians because the place is a shithole. He was referring to the people.

UTSAMarine is a perfect example that this is factually incorrect. It doesn't matter where you come from. What matters is whether or not you are a good person.

The country is dangers because of the people living there. Either 1) the people are committing these crimes or 2) the people are doing nothing to fix the problems. Regardless, the people are the problem for why their country is a shithole.

To my knowledge, Trump never said what you are putting into his mouth. What he said was that why are we getting SO MANY PEOPLE from these shithole countries. Meaning - the legal immigration system should have modified quotas to allow people from more successful countries the opportunity to immigrate. Of course, all of these jackasses in the media and in gov't know this. You know it too...
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RE: It's official
(01-12-2018 11:42 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Trump is a racist.

This isn't news to anyone. Everyone on this forum knows it. Some people don't care.

But let's call a spade a spade.

People are going to be on this forum all day trying to deflect, point the finger at other people and say things like. " But Hillary this" and "but Obama that".


Let's not pretend anymore. The man's immigration policy comes from a personal hatred of the browning of America.

Please define for the the term I just bolded. Just what is a "spade"??

I guess I find it a bit ironic that you would use what MANY would term as a racist saying - and you aren't part of the group that would howl so you're not off the hook that way.

Now, because I'm not looking for something offensive under every rock and on every word, I really don't care - but a guarantee you there are people that would accuse you of being racist while saying someone else is racist just by what you typed in the bold above.......

Care to defend yourself?

Sorry I had no idea you had never heard the phrase.

Perhaps this will help.

To "call a spade a spade" is a figurative expression which refers to calling something "as it is",[1] that is, by its right or proper name, without "beating about the bush"—being outspoken about it, truthfully, frankly, and directly, even to the point of being blunt or rude, and even if the subject is considered coarse, impolite, or unpleasant. The idiom originates in the classical Greek of Plutarch's Apophthegmata Laconica, and was introduced into the English language in 1542 in Nicolas Udall's translation of the Apophthegmes, where Erasmus had seemingly replaced Plutarch's images of "trough" and "fig" with the more familiar "spade." The idiom has appeared in many literary and popular works, including those of Oscar Wilde, Charles Dickens, W. Somerset Maugham, and Jonathan Swift.

call a spade a spade
To address or describe the true nature of someone or something, even if it is unpleasant. The term originated from a translation of an ancient Greek phrase, but is considered offensive by some due to the later use of the word "spade" as a racial slur

I didn't call anyone a spade.

I used the entire phrase in it's original context.

The fact that you and others are attempting to claim I am a racist because I used this phrase is absolutely pathetic.
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RE: It's official
(01-12-2018 11:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Trump is a racist.

This isn't news to anyone. Everyone on this forum knows it. Some people don't care.

But let's call a spade a spade.

People are going to be on this forum all day trying to deflect, point the finger at other people and say things like. " But Hillary this" and "but Obama that".


Let's not pretend anymore. The man's immigration policy comes from a personal hatred of the browning of America.

Please define for the the term I just bolded. Just what is a "spade"??

I guess I find it a bit ironic that you would use what MANY would term as a racist saying - and you aren't part of the group that would howl so you're not off the hook that way.

Now, because I'm not looking for something offensive under every rock and on every word, I really don't care - but a guarantee you there are people that would accuse you of being racist while saying someone else is racist just by what you typed in the bold above.......

Care to defend yourself?

Sorry I had no idea you had never heard the phrase.

Perhaps this will help.

To "call a spade a spade" is a figurative expression which refers to calling something "as it is",[1] that is, by its right or proper name, without "beating about the bush"—being outspoken about it, truthfully, frankly, and directly, even to the point of being blunt or rude, and even if the subject is considered coarse, impolite, or unpleasant. The idiom originates in the classical Greek of Plutarch's Apophthegmata Laconica, and was introduced into the English language in 1542 in Nicolas Udall's translation of the Apophthegmes, where Erasmus had seemingly replaced Plutarch's images of "trough" and "fig" with the more familiar "spade." The idiom has appeared in many literary and popular works, including those of Oscar Wilde, Charles Dickens, W. Somerset Maugham, and Jonathan Swift.

Go look at post #54.

I am not accusing you of being racist, but there is a segment of the population that absolutely looks for this kind of stuff and would accuse you of using a racist term.

See how words can be twisted.
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RE: It's official
(01-12-2018 11:15 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:47 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Most of our ancestors actually came to this country the same way the so called "illegals" came into this country.

1. They came uninvited

2. They didn't learn the language.

3. They did not assimilate.

You forgot #4. They came here legally.

NO they didn't. Just because their was no law in the books somewhere doesn't make it legal.

I suppose you think it was legal for them to murder Native Americans and rape the women as well since there was likely no law against it.

Here it is, folks. The exact moment when Fit went full-Mach. 03-lmfao
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RE: It's official
(01-12-2018 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:42 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Trump is a racist.

This isn't news to anyone. Everyone on this forum knows it. Some people don't care.

But let's call a spade a spade.

People are going to be on this forum all day trying to deflect, point the finger at other people and say things like. " But Hillary this" and "but Obama that".


Let's not pretend anymore. The man's immigration policy comes from a personal hatred of the browning of America.

Please define for the the term I just bolded. Just what is a "spade"??

I guess I find it a bit ironic that you would use what MANY would term as a racist saying - and you aren't part of the group that would howl so you're not off the hook that way.

Now, because I'm not looking for something offensive under every rock and on every word, I really don't care - but a guarantee you there are people that would accuse you of being racist while saying someone else is racist just by what you typed in the bold above.......

Care to defend yourself?

Sorry I had no idea you had never heard the phrase.

Perhaps this will help.

To "call a spade a spade" is a figurative expression which refers to calling something "as it is",[1] that is, by its right or proper name, without "beating about the bush"—being outspoken about it, truthfully, frankly, and directly, even to the point of being blunt or rude, and even if the subject is considered coarse, impolite, or unpleasant. The idiom originates in the classical Greek of Plutarch's Apophthegmata Laconica, and was introduced into the English language in 1542 in Nicolas Udall's translation of the Apophthegmes, where Erasmus had seemingly replaced Plutarch's images of "trough" and "fig" with the more familiar "spade." The idiom has appeared in many literary and popular works, including those of Oscar Wilde, Charles Dickens, W. Somerset Maugham, and Jonathan Swift.

call a spade a spade
To address or describe the true nature of someone or something, even if it is unpleasant. The term originated from a translation of an ancient Greek phrase, but is considered offensive by some due to the later use of the word "spade" as a racial slur

I didn't call anyone a spade.

I used the entire phrase in it's original context.

The fact that you and others are attempting to claim I am a racist because I used this phrase is absolutely pathetic.



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(01-12-2018 11:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm not talking about your family. I'm talking about the first European settlers to this country who came uninvited and raped and pillaged Native Americans and stole their land.

Don't be so obtuse.

You're making an absurd comparison and asking all to go in on it... Sadly we all se the troll for what it is.
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(01-12-2018 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:42 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Trump is a racist.

This isn't news to anyone. Everyone on this forum knows it. Some people don't care.

But let's call a spade a spade.

People are going to be on this forum all day trying to deflect, point the finger at other people and say things like. " But Hillary this" and "but Obama that".


Let's not pretend anymore. The man's immigration policy comes from a personal hatred of the browning of America.

Please define for the the term I just bolded. Just what is a "spade"??

I guess I find it a bit ironic that you would use what MANY would term as a racist saying - and you aren't part of the group that would howl so you're not off the hook that way.

Now, because I'm not looking for something offensive under every rock and on every word, I really don't care - but a guarantee you there are people that would accuse you of being racist while saying someone else is racist just by what you typed in the bold above.......

Care to defend yourself?

Sorry I had no idea you had never heard the phrase.

Perhaps this will help.

To "call a spade a spade" is a figurative expression which refers to calling something "as it is",[1] that is, by its right or proper name, without "beating about the bush"—being outspoken about it, truthfully, frankly, and directly, even to the point of being blunt or rude, and even if the subject is considered coarse, impolite, or unpleasant. The idiom originates in the classical Greek of Plutarch's Apophthegmata Laconica, and was introduced into the English language in 1542 in Nicolas Udall's translation of the Apophthegmes, where Erasmus had seemingly replaced Plutarch's images of "trough" and "fig" with the more familiar "spade." The idiom has appeared in many literary and popular works, including those of Oscar Wilde, Charles Dickens, W. Somerset Maugham, and Jonathan Swift.

call a spade a spade
To address or describe the true nature of someone or something, even if it is unpleasant. The term originated from a translation of an ancient Greek phrase, but is considered offensive by some due to the later use of the word "spade" as a racial slur

I didn't call anyone a spade.

I used the entire phrase in it's original context.

The fact that you and others are attempting to claim I am a racist because I used this phrase is absolutely pathetic.

it was your body of work that drew the criticism......
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(01-12-2018 11:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm not talking about your family. I'm talking about the first European settlers to this country who came uninvited and raped and pillaged Native Americans and stole their land.

Agree. Thanks for working to tie the idea that because of this invasion and slaughter of native Americans, American should definitely secure the border from an immigration invasion.
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RE: It's official
(01-12-2018 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:42 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Trump is a racist.

This isn't news to anyone. Everyone on this forum knows it. Some people don't care.

But let's call a spade a spade.

People are going to be on this forum all day trying to deflect, point the finger at other people and say things like. " But Hillary this" and "but Obama that".


Let's not pretend anymore. The man's immigration policy comes from a personal hatred of the browning of America.

Please define for the the term I just bolded. Just what is a "spade"??

I guess I find it a bit ironic that you would use what MANY would term as a racist saying - and you aren't part of the group that would howl so you're not off the hook that way.

Now, because I'm not looking for something offensive under every rock and on every word, I really don't care - but a guarantee you there are people that would accuse you of being racist while saying someone else is racist just by what you typed in the bold above.......

Care to defend yourself?

Sorry I had no idea you had never heard the phrase.

Perhaps this will help.

To "call a spade a spade" is a figurative expression which refers to calling something "as it is",[1] that is, by its right or proper name, without "beating about the bush"—being outspoken about it, truthfully, frankly, and directly, even to the point of being blunt or rude, and even if the subject is considered coarse, impolite, or unpleasant. The idiom originates in the classical Greek of Plutarch's Apophthegmata Laconica, and was introduced into the English language in 1542 in Nicolas Udall's translation of the Apophthegmes, where Erasmus had seemingly replaced Plutarch's images of "trough" and "fig" with the more familiar "spade." The idiom has appeared in many literary and popular works, including those of Oscar Wilde, Charles Dickens, W. Somerset Maugham, and Jonathan Swift.

call a spade a spade
To address or describe the true nature of someone or something, even if it is unpleasant. The term originated from a translation of an ancient Greek phrase, but is considered offensive by some due to the later use of the word "spade" as a racial slur

I didn't call anyone a spade.

I used the entire phrase in it's original context.

The fact that you and others are attempting to claim I am a racist because I used this phrase is absolutely pathetic.


You used it in the below context. It does not matter what you though...only what others take it to mean. Isn't that exactly what you did with the President's word and in this thread?

In the late 1920s during the Harlem Renaissance, "spade" began to evolve into code for a black person, according to Patricia T. O'Connor and Stewart Kellerman's book Origins of the Specious: Myths and Misconceptions of the English Language. The Oxford English Dictionary says the first appearance of the word spade as a reference to blackness was in Claude McKay's 1928 novel Home to Harlem, which was notable for its depictions of street life in Harlem in the 1920s. "Jake is such a fool spade," wrote McKay. "Don't know how to handle the womens." Fellow Harlem Renaissance writer Wallace Thurman then used the word in his novel The Blacker The Berry: A Novel of Negro Life, a widely read and notable work that explored prejudice within the African-American community. "Wonder where all the spades keep themselves?" one of Thurman's characters asks. It was also in the 1920s that the "spade" in question began to refer to the spade found on playing cards.

The word would change further in the years to come. Eventually, the phrase "black as the ace of spades" also became widely used, further strengthening the association between spades and playing cards.

Wolfgang Mieder notes that in the fourth edition of The American Language, H.L. Mencken's famous book about language in the United States, "spade" is listed as one of the "opprobrious" names for "Negroes" (along with "Zulu," "skunk" and many other words that I can't print here). Robert L. Chapman struck a similar note in his Thesaurus of American Slang (1989). "All these terms will give deep offense if used by nonblacks," warned Chapman, listing "spade" in a group that included words like blackbird, shade, shadow, skillet and smoke.

The British author Colin MacInnes, who was white, frequently used the term in novels like City of Spades (1957) and Absolute Beginners (1959) about the multiracial, multicultural London of the 1950s and '60s. MacInnes has been criticized for his exotification and sexualization of black culture in his books. MacInnes also coined the cringeworthy word "spadelet" to refer to black infants.

As with many other racialized terms, there were efforts to reclaim the word after it had become a slur. Four years after Malcolm X was killed in 1965, poet Ted Joans eulogized him in his poem "My Ace of Spades." The artist David Hammons also explored the negative connotations to the word in his 1973 sculpture "Spade With Chains." Hammons once told an interviewer that he began to incorporate spades into his work because "I was called a spade once, and I didn't know what it meant ... so I took the shape and started painting it." And a character in 2009's Black Dynamite (a spoof of the blaxploitation films of the 1970s) tells a rival that he's "blacker than the ace of spades and more militant than you."

So what does all of this mean for people who want to, well, "call a spade a spade"? I urge caution. Mieder concludes his case study with the argument that "to call a spade a spade" should be retired from modern usage: "Rather than taking the chance of unintentionally offending someone or of being misunderstood, it is best to relinquish the old innocuous proverbial expression all together."
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(01-12-2018 11:47 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:15 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:47 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Most of our ancestors actually came to this country the same way the so called "illegals" came into this country.

1. They came uninvited

2. They didn't learn the language.

3. They did not assimilate.

You forgot #4. They came here legally.

NO they didn't. Just because their was no law in the books somewhere doesn't make it legal.

I suppose you think it was legal for them to murder Native Americans and rape the women as well since there was likely no law against it.

Here it is, folks. The exact moment when Fit went full-Mach. 03-lmfao

Those two goons probably have a standing Daily PM to discuss the talking points.
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(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:14 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  WTF is this thread? And this is coming from a brown person. Plot twist, I am Hispanic and I support Trump. 07-coffee3

I've think I've told you this before but one of my best friends parents legally immigrated from Mexico and he thinks Mexico is a shithole and a huge Trump supporter. It's usually wussy pajama boys that spout of their nonsensical indoctrination.

As someone who was born in Mexico, migrated here legally, joined the Marines, became a US Citizen the right way, I can tell you that Mexico is truly a shithole.

But that doesn't mean that the people that come from there are bad people.

You are a living example of that.

well he never said anything about the people, just about the places they come from. You are putting words in his mouth. 07-coffee3
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(01-12-2018 11:50 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm not talking about your family. I'm talking about the first European settlers to this country who came uninvited and raped and pillaged Native Americans and stole their land.

Agree. Thanks for working to tie the idea that because of this invasion and slaughter of native Americans, American should definitely secure the border from an immigration invasion.

Quit trying to muddy the water. This is about people who were sent hear because of devastation to their home country.
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(01-12-2018 12:03 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Quit trying to muddy the water. This is about people who were sent hear because of devastation to their home country.

Says the guy who just compared immigration policy in 2018 to colonial acts from the 1700's
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(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Trump is a racist.

This isn't news to anyone. Everyone on this forum knows it. Some people don't care.

But let's call a spade a spade.

People are going to be on this forum all day trying to deflect, point the finger at other people and say things like. " But Hillary this" and "but Obama that".


Let's not pretend anymore. The man's immigration policy comes from a personal hatred of the browning of America.

Please define for the the term I just bolded. Just what is a "spade"??

From wiki:
Quote:To "call a spade a spade" is a figurative expression which refers to calling something "as it is", that is, by its right or proper name, without "beating about the bush"—being outspoken about it, truthfully, frankly, and directly, even to the point of being blunt or rude, and even if the subject is considered coarse, impolite, or unpleasant.

The idiom originates in the classical Greek of Plutarch's Apophthegmata Laconica, and was introduced into the English language in 1542 in Nicolas Udall's translation of the Apophthegmes, where Erasmus had seemingly replaced Plutarch's images of "trough" and "fig" with the more familiar "spade." The idiom has appeared in many literary and popular works, including those of Oscar Wilde, Charles Dickens, W. Somerset Maugham, and Jonathan Swift.

That phrase has never been considered racist that I'm aware. Calling someone one, that's a different story.
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(01-12-2018 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That phrase has never been considered racist that I'm aware. Calling someone one, that's a different story.

Can we count on your scholarly defense the next time the left accuses someone of being racist for saying words like thug, or orient?
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(01-12-2018 11:20 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:50 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:46 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Most of our ancestors actually came to this country the same way the so called "illegals" came into this country.

1. They came uninvited

2. They didn't learn the language.

3. They did not assimilate.


You see, that is the problem with Trump and his supporters. They are a group of ignorant people who don't know the history of this continent so they make ignorant comments.

That is great, but those people, our ancestors also did the following...

4. They conquered the land.

See, if you allow 1, 2, & 3, you are setting yourself up for #4. That is what we need to avoid.

I appreciate your honesty.

If one good thing can be said about Trump, it's that he has made it acceptable for people like you to be honest about why exactly they want immigration reform.

People like me? Please explain more about people like me.

Still waiting...step up boy and explain your comment.

Come on fitbud...explain yourself.
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(01-12-2018 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Shithole

That phrase has never been considered racist that I'm aware. Calling someone one, that's a different story.

See how that works?
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