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(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:14 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  WTF is this thread? And this is coming from a brown person. Plot twist, I am Hispanic and I support Trump. 07-coffee3

I've think I've told you this before but one of my best friends parents legally immigrated from Mexico and he thinks Mexico is a shithole and a huge Trump supporter. It's usually wussy pajama boys that spout of their nonsensical indoctrination.

As someone who was born in Mexico, migrated here legally, joined the Marines, became a US Citizen the right way, I can tell you that Mexico is truly a shithole.
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(01-12-2018 11:14 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  WTF is this thread? And this is coming from a brown person. Plot twist, I am Hispanic and I support Trump. 07-coffee3

another spin room carnival....

I can only laugh at these shitehole threads....it help keeps ze wit 'sharp' and the tongue 'forked'....
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(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Trump is a racist.

This isn't news to anyone. Everyone on this forum knows it. Some people don't care.

But let's call a spade a spade.

People are going to be on this forum all day trying to deflect, point the finger at other people and say things like. " But Hillary this" and "but Obama that".


Let's not pretend anymore. The man's immigration policy comes from a personal hatred of the browning of America.

Please define for the the term I just bolded. Just what is a "spade"??

Its a racist term. I'm surprised Fit didnt just use the n-word.
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(01-12-2018 11:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
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(01-12-2018 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Was it a salient point though? I don't believe they were talking about basic immigration issues, but rather bringing in folks from other countries who are escaping horrific situations, like natural disasters and political strife.

American citizenship is not some sort of global right. We owe nothing to people escaping horrific situations, whether Norweigan or Haitian or anyone in-between, except an opportunity to legally immigrate to this country via our rules, our regulations, and our determination of quota or exclusions for certain countries.

Again, I don't think they were talking about citizenship were they? I thought it was more like temporary status stuff. Which I believe is escaping things like natural disasters, political strife, civil wars, etc.

Let's reverse back into the "salient" point because that is certainly the crux of the matter.

It is not our fault, as Americans, that current situations in many countries are so ridden with poverty, corruption, incompetence, crime and political repression (ie, shithole) that the United States of America should put in place special immigration status simply based on the shithole qualities of those nations.

Tom, I want this country to concentrate on Americans, and that includes a secure border, immigration controls, and the ability to say "no more," or "not from there."







As an aside, this is what always gets me about being forced to donate to United Way. Trust me, it was forced. It was a CLE (career limiting event) to not donate. We have crime ridden neighborhoods with poorly performing schools, few real jobs, and massive cultural denigration and yet the United Way was always like "Yeah! We built a well in Guinea!"
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(01-12-2018 11:20 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:14 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  WTF is this thread? And this is coming from a brown person. Plot twist, I am Hispanic and I support Trump. 07-coffee3

I've think I've told you this before but one of my best friends parents legally immigrated from Mexico and he thinks Mexico is a shithole and a huge Trump supporter. It's usually wussy pajama boys that spout of their nonsensical indoctrination.

As someone who was born in Mexico, migrated here legally, joined the Marines, became a US Citizen the right way, I can tell you that Mexico is truly a shithole.

But that doesn't mean that the people that come from there are bad people.

You are a living example of that.
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(01-12-2018 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:39 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Trump and his supporters have always supported letting people into this country the same way most of our ancestors, from all countries, came here; Legally. With the full expectation that they would assimilate into American culture – learning the language, the history, and what made this country important.

If that makes me racist, I think you don't understand what racist means.

Most of our ancestors actually came to this country the same way the so called "illegals" came into this country.

1. They came uninvited

2. They didn't learn the language.

3. They did not assimilate.


You see, that is the problem with Trump and his supporters. They are a group of ignorant people who don't know the history of this continent so they make ignorant comments.




I feel so sorry for the kids that have to sit and actually listen to the ignorant views of educators that can't and don't understand the differences between then and now
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(01-12-2018 11:15 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  NO they didn't. Just because their was no law in the books somewhere doesn't make it legal.

Then I suppose the legal immgration papers we have in our geneology records for my ancestors from Germany and Scotland are fake?

(01-12-2018 11:15 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I suppose you think it was legal for them to murder Native Americans and rape the women as well since there was likely no law against it.

Well, that escalated quickly to junk-post status.
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(01-12-2018 11:23 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:10 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  [quote='Redwingtom' pid='14984218' dateline='1515772302']
Was it a salient point though? I don't believe they were talking about basic immigration issues, but rather bringing in folks from other countries who are escaping horrific situations, like natural disasters and political strife.

American citizenship is not some sort of global right. We owe nothing to people escaping horrific situations, whether Norweigan or Haitian or anyone in-between, except an opportunity to legally immigrate to this country via our rules, our regulations, and our determination of quota or exclusions for certain countries.

Again, I don't think they were talking about citizenship were they? I thought it was more like temporary status stuff. Which I believe is escaping things like natural disasters, political strife, civil wars, etc.

Let's reverse back into the "salient" point because that is certainly the crux of the matter.

It is not our fault, as Americans, that current situations in many countries are so ridden with poverty, corruption, incompetence, crime and political repression (ie, shithole) that the United States of America should put in place special immigration status simply based on the shithole qualities of those nations.

Tom, I want this country to concentrate on Americans, and that includes a secure border, immigration controls, and the ability to say "no more," or "not from there."



Once again you are absolutely ignorant of the facts and history. The United States is absolutely the reason why Haiti is the way it is.

Open a history book for Christ sake.
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(01-12-2018 11:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:10 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Was it a salient point though? I don't believe they were talking about basic immigration issues, but rather bringing in folks from other countries who are escaping horrific situations, like natural disasters and political strife.

American citizenship is not some sort of global right. We owe nothing to people escaping horrific situations, whether Norweigan or Haitian or anyone in-between, except an opportunity to legally immigrate to this country via our rules, our regulations, and our determination of quota or exclusions for certain countries.

Again, I don't think they were talking about citizenship were they? I thought it was more like temporary status stuff. Which I believe is escaping things like natural disasters, political strife, civil wars, etc.

Some Haitians and Salvadorians got TPS. Time is up though. Trump extended the Haitians for 6 months. They are probably flooding into Canada now. We are pretty consistent with refugee stuff though.
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(01-12-2018 11:26 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:15 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  NO they didn't. Just because their was no law in the books somewhere doesn't make it legal.

Then I suppose the legal immgration papers we have in our geneology records for my ancestors from Germany and Scotland are fake?

(01-12-2018 11:15 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I suppose you think it was legal for them to murder Native Americans and rape the women as well since there was likely no law against it.

Well, that escalated quickly to junk-post status.

I'm not talking about your family. I'm talking about the first European settlers to this country who came uninvited and raped and pillaged Native Americans and stole their land.

Don't be so obtuse.
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(01-12-2018 11:24 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:39 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Trump and his supporters have always supported letting people into this country the same way most of our ancestors, from all countries, came here; Legally. With the full expectation that they would assimilate into American culture – learning the language, the history, and what made this country important.

If that makes me racist, I think you don't understand what racist means.

Most of our ancestors actually came to this country the same way the so called "illegals" came into this country.

1. They came uninvited

2. They didn't learn the language.

3. They did not assimilate.


You see, that is the problem with Trump and his supporters. They are a group of ignorant people who don't know the history of this continent so they make ignorant comments.




I feel so sorry for the kids that have to sit and actually listen to the ignorant views of educators that can't and don't understand the differences between then and now

no doubt.....and it can't be addressed until other action items are enacted......

it's fixable.....the question is, is it possible where we exist in our current political construct....
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(01-12-2018 11:20 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:14 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  WTF is this thread? And this is coming from a brown person. Plot twist, I am Hispanic and I support Trump. 07-coffee3

I've think I've told you this before but one of my best friends parents legally immigrated from Mexico and he thinks Mexico is a shithole and a huge Trump supporter. It's usually wussy pajama boys that spout of their nonsensical indoctrination.

As someone who was born in Mexico, migrated here legally, joined the Marines, became a US Citizen the right way, I can tell you that Mexico is truly a shithole.

I concur. I had to travel to Mexico for business 2 years ago. The company we visited had a driver for us at all times. We stayed in a hotel that was within a compound. We could not safely leave the compound without an escort due to the high risk of being kidnapped, robbed or killed.

Having said all that, I have no problem with immigration from Mexico or other parts of Latin America IF: 1) they can come here with marketable skills, 2) they come immediate contributors to our society by serving our country or joining our workforce and 3) they WANT to assimilate into our culture and 4) they do so LEGALLY.

The same goes for ALL countries in the world. As long as the immigrants legally immigrate, have marketable skills, join the workforce immediately and desire to fully assimilate into American culture - I have zero issues with that kind of immigrant.
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(01-12-2018 11:29 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:20 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:14 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  WTF is this thread? And this is coming from a brown person. Plot twist, I am Hispanic and I support Trump. 07-coffee3

I've think I've told you this before but one of my best friends parents legally immigrated from Mexico and he thinks Mexico is a shithole and a huge Trump supporter. It's usually wussy pajama boys that spout of their nonsensical indoctrination.

As someone who was born in Mexico, migrated here legally, joined the Marines, became a US Citizen the right way, I can tell you that Mexico is truly a shithole.

I concur. I had to travel to Mexico for business 2 years ago. The company we visited had a driver for us at all times. We stayed in a hotel that was within a compound. We could not safely leave the compound without an escort due to the high risk of being kidnapped, robbed or killed.

Having said all that, I have no problem with immigration from Mexico or other parts of Latin America IF: 1) they can come here with marketable skills, 2) they come immediate contributors to our society by serving our country or joining our workforce and 3) they WANT to assimilate into our culture and 4) they do so LEGALLY.

The same goes for ALL countries in the world. As long as the immigrants legally immigrate, have marketable skills, join the workforce immediately and desire to fully assimilate into American culture - I have zero issues with that kind of immigrant.

Once again you are missing the point.

It's not about the country it's about the people.

Trump was saying he doesn't want Haitians because the place is a shithole. He was referring to the people.

UTSAMarine is a perfect example that this is factually incorrect. It doesn't matter where you come from. What matters is whether or not you are a good person.
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(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Trump is a racist.

This isn't news to anyone. Everyone on this forum knows it. Some people don't care.

But let's call a spade a spade.

People are going to be on this forum all day trying to deflect, point the finger at other people and say things like. " But Hillary this" and "but Obama that".


Let's not pretend anymore. The man's immigration policy comes from a personal hatred of the browning of America.

Please define for the the term I just bolded. Just what is a "spade"??

I guess I find it a bit ironic that you would use what MANY would term as a racist saying - and you aren't part of the group that would howl so you're not off the hook that way.

Now, because I'm not looking for something offensive under every rock and on every word, I really don't care - but a guarantee you there are people that would accuse you of being racist while saying someone else is racist just by what you typed in the bold above.......

Care to defend yourself?

The word spade was often used as code word for ****** when I was growing up
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(01-12-2018 11:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:23 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:10 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  [quote='Redwingtom' pid='14984218' dateline='1515772302']
Was it a salient point though? I don't believe they were talking about basic immigration issues, but rather bringing in folks from other countries who are escaping horrific situations, like natural disasters and political strife.

American citizenship is not some sort of global right. We owe nothing to people escaping horrific situations, whether Norweigan or Haitian or anyone in-between, except an opportunity to legally immigrate to this country via our rules, our regulations, and our determination of quota or exclusions for certain countries.

Again, I don't think they were talking about citizenship were they? I thought it was more like temporary status stuff. Which I believe is escaping things like natural disasters, political strife, civil wars, etc.

Let's reverse back into the "salient" point because that is certainly the crux of the matter.

It is not our fault, as Americans, that current situations in many countries are so ridden with poverty, corruption, incompetence, crime and political repression (ie, shithole) that the United States of America should put in place special immigration status simply based on the shithole qualities of those nations.

Tom, I want this country to concentrate on Americans, and that includes a secure border, immigration controls, and the ability to say "no more," or "not from there."



Once again you are absolutely ignorant of the facts and history. The United States is absolutely the reason why Haiti is the way it is.

Open a history book for Christ sake.

Nope they have god awful corrupt politicians who steal all of the money that comes from other countries. Regarding the USA, if you are talking about the scam the Clintons pulled off down there after the earthquake then yeah. From the early 1900's.
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Now Truillo who ran the DR from the 30's to the 60's was a corrupt dictator......he was hell bent of modernizing the country and he did.
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(01-12-2018 11:33 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Trump is a racist.

This isn't news to anyone. Everyone on this forum knows it. Some people don't care.

But let's call a spade a spade.

People are going to be on this forum all day trying to deflect, point the finger at other people and say things like. " But Hillary this" and "but Obama that".


Let's not pretend anymore. The man's immigration policy comes from a personal hatred of the browning of America.

Please define for the the term I just bolded. Just what is a "spade"??

I guess I find it a bit ironic that you would use what MANY would term as a racist saying - and you aren't part of the group that would howl so you're not off the hook that way.

Now, because I'm not looking for something offensive under every rock and on every word, I really don't care - but a guarantee you there are people that would accuse you of being racist while saying someone else is racist just by what you typed in the bold above.......

Care to defend yourself?

The word spade was often used as code word for ****** when I was growing up

I'm surprised Fit doesnt want to address his racist comments. He was quite eager to publish them. Now he's acting as if these posts dont exist.
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(01-12-2018 11:29 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:20 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:14 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  WTF is this thread? And this is coming from a brown person. Plot twist, I am Hispanic and I support Trump. 07-coffee3

I've think I've told you this before but one of my best friends parents legally immigrated from Mexico and he thinks Mexico is a shithole and a huge Trump supporter. It's usually wussy pajama boys that spout of their nonsensical indoctrination.

As someone who was born in Mexico, migrated here legally, joined the Marines, became a US Citizen the right way, I can tell you that Mexico is truly a shithole.

I concur. I had to travel to Mexico for business 2 years ago. The company we visited had a driver for us at all times. We stayed in a hotel that was within a compound. We could not safely leave the compound without an escort due to the high risk of being kidnapped, robbed or killed.

Having said all that, I have no problem with immigration from Mexico or other parts of Latin America IF: 1) they can come here with marketable skills, 2) they come immediate contributors to our society by serving our country or joining our workforce and 3) they WANT to assimilate into our culture and 4) they do so LEGALLY.

The same goes for ALL countries in the world. As long as the immigrants legally immigrate, have marketable skills, join the workforce immediately and desire to fully assimilate into American culture - I have zero issues with that kind of immigrant.

I'll repeat the condensed version once more......I literally witnessed the day the federales took over lawful control when the policia were unholstered ~10 yrs. ago....

I thank my lucky charms every day for abandoning that gig....
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(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Trump is a racist.

This isn't news to anyone. Everyone on this forum knows it. Some people don't care.

But let's call a spade a spade.

People are going to be on this forum all day trying to deflect, point the finger at other people and say things like. " But Hillary this" and "but Obama that".


Let's not pretend anymore. The man's immigration policy comes from a personal hatred of the browning of America.

Please define for the the term I just bolded. Just what is a "spade"??

I guess I find it a bit ironic that you would use what MANY would term as a racist saying - and you aren't part of the group that would howl so you're not off the hook that way.

Now, because I'm not looking for something offensive under every rock and on every word, I really don't care - but a guarantee you there are people that would accuse you of being racist while saying someone else is racist just by what you typed in the bold above.......

Care to defend yourself?

Sorry I had no idea you had never heard the phrase.

Perhaps this will help.

To "call a spade a spade" is a figurative expression which refers to calling something "as it is",[1] that is, by its right or proper name, without "beating about the bush"—being outspoken about it, truthfully, frankly, and directly, even to the point of being blunt or rude, and even if the subject is considered coarse, impolite, or unpleasant. The idiom originates in the classical Greek of Plutarch's Apophthegmata Laconica, and was introduced into the English language in 1542 in Nicolas Udall's translation of the Apophthegmes, where Erasmus had seemingly replaced Plutarch's images of "trough" and "fig" with the more familiar "spade." The idiom has appeared in many literary and popular works, including those of Oscar Wilde, Charles Dickens, W. Somerset Maugham, and Jonathan Swift.
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(01-12-2018 11:35 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:33 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 11:18 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(01-12-2018 10:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Trump is a racist.

This isn't news to anyone. Everyone on this forum knows it. Some people don't care.

But let's call a spade a spade.

People are going to be on this forum all day trying to deflect, point the finger at other people and say things like. " But Hillary this" and "but Obama that".


Let's not pretend anymore. The man's immigration policy comes from a personal hatred of the browning of America.

Please define for the the term I just bolded. Just what is a "spade"??

I guess I find it a bit ironic that you would use what MANY would term as a racist saying - and you aren't part of the group that would howl so you're not off the hook that way.

Now, because I'm not looking for something offensive under every rock and on every word, I really don't care - but a guarantee you there are people that would accuse you of being racist while saying someone else is racist just by what you typed in the bold above.......

Care to defend yourself?

The word spade was often used as code word for ****** when I was growing up

I'm surprised Fit doesnt want to address his racist comments. He was quite eager to publish them. Now he's acting as if these posts dont exist.

that's what trolling racists do......
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(01-12-2018 11:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Once again you are absolutely ignorant of the facts and history. The United States is absolutely the reason why Haiti is the way it is.

Open a history book for Christ sake.

OK, where should I pay my penance for the 20 year US occupation of Haiti almost a century ago? How much are you going to ask for from Spain? From France? From decades of Haitian leaders? How much responsibility are you going to lay at the feat of Haiti for the denigration of their environment, their sub-par infrastructure, the poverty, corruption, incompetence, crime and political repression?

But instead, we should just open our borders?

And I am truly sorry, but if you want to get into an argument about why Haiti is a shitehole today, I wouldn't lean too heavily on your comment of "the United States is absolutely the reason why Haiti is the way it is." 03-lmfao
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