(01-04-2018 12:37 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I realize Rudd and Bowen inherited Opie. That being said, they kept him 1-2 years too long. Now, we have another terrible hire. Is the real problem higher up than coach and will it not be truly fixed until changes are made on that level?

Just asking for thoughts/ opinions.

You think that players are staying away from Tubby because of the administration?



Here is the problem:

1- Tubby ran off the Lawson’s, I know it was an uncomfortable arrangement , but life is full of these kinds of things especially in big time college basketball. Obviously this caused two defections but it is also hurting local recruiting.

2- We have two asst coaches doing nothing to recruit and Tubby is not as active as normal head coaches at this level.

3- Penny Hardaway wants the job so he has no interest in helping the current staff in any way. The worse they do the more likely it is that he has a shot.( even if that shot is all in his head and he has no shot it does not matter as long as he thinks it is a possibility)

4- Tubby was never a high energy coach but he is now less energetic and possibly less mentally “at the top of his game”


There may be several things that could be improved in the athletic administration but none of it has anything to do with our current situation - other than making a hiring mistake.

The admin doesn't recruit. Too bad the coaching staff hasn't either.

(01-04-2018 12:57 PM)southpaw1 Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:55 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:44 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:37 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I realize Rudd and Bowen inherited Opie. That being said, they kept him 1-2 years too long. Now, we have another terrible hire. Is the real problem higher up than coach and will it not be truly fixed until changes are made on that level?

Just asking for thoughts/ opinions.

I genuinely believed the thinking was to bring in a low risk coach who would stabalize the program after JP. I thought the ceiling was pretty low with Tubby but thought we would at least be in the tournament consistently, transfers would stop and stability would be brought to Memphis. Then after 4 years or so we could both move on and bring in a coach to make us truly competitive. I think the admin was in the same line of thinking. That clearly is not turning out to be the case and this is turning into a complete disaster.

This is my belief, as well. Tubby was brought in to bring moderate success without the risk of violations. He was also a "name" that would excite the fan base. I don't believe there was much research or thought past that. At this point, the looks to be an absolutely horrible decision

He was the easy lazy hire. It backfired.

Yep exactly right - Lazy Hire and Lazy Coach

Ugh it’s depressing

I did not ready anything but the thread title but I think Bowen is really good. We should have made one of the obvious basketball hires instead of tubby though. Forbes was there. Penny was there( which I was not an advocate of as head coach at the time) dude from little rock or Arlington.... But we had cheaper, better options

I see a few have missed my initial point. It’s not about recruits staying away because of the admin or the problems with the current roster & product on the floor. It’s about hanging on to JP too long and bringing a horrible fit like Tubby here. It’s like a bad GM who keeps his job after hiring terrible coach after terrible coach. At some point you gotta look at the common denominator(s)

Bowen, Rudd & search committee have nailed football. Basketball- not so much

(01-04-2018 04:21 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:57 PM)southpaw1 Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:55 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:44 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:37 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I realize Rudd and Bowen inherited Opie. That being said, they kept him 1-2 years too long. Now, we have another terrible hire. Is the real problem higher up than coach and will it not be truly fixed until changes are made on that level?

Just asking for thoughts/ opinions.

I genuinely believed the thinking was to bring in a low risk coach who would stabalize the program after JP. I thought the ceiling was pretty low with Tubby but thought we would at least be in the tournament consistently, transfers would stop and stability would be brought to Memphis. Then after 4 years or so we could both move on and bring in a coach to make us truly competitive. I think the admin was in the same line of thinking. That clearly is not turning out to be the case and this is turning into a complete disaster.

This is my belief, as well. Tubby was brought in to bring moderate success without the risk of violations. He was also a "name" that would excite the fan base. I don't believe there was much research or thought past that. At this point, the looks to be an absolutely horrible decision

He was the easy lazy hire. It backfired.

They were looking for the Anti-Pastner but assumed incorrectly that he would get talent out of Memphis.

Lots of people overreact and run off the road on the other side after having been burned badly on a previous decision. Nothing new here.

(01-04-2018 04:21 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:57 PM)southpaw1 Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:55 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:44 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:37 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I realize Rudd and Bowen inherited Opie. That being said, they kept him 1-2 years too long. Now, we have another terrible hire. Is the real problem higher up than coach and will it not be truly fixed until changes are made on that level?

Just asking for thoughts/ opinions.

I genuinely believed the thinking was to bring in a low risk coach who would stabalize the program after JP. I thought the ceiling was pretty low with Tubby but thought we would at least be in the tournament consistently, transfers would stop and stability would be brought to Memphis. Then after 4 years or so we could both move on and bring in a coach to make us truly competitive. I think the admin was in the same line of thinking. That clearly is not turning out to be the case and this is turning into a complete disaster.

This is my belief, as well. Tubby was brought in to bring moderate success without the risk of violations. He was also a "name" that would excite the fan base. I don't believe there was much research or thought past that. At this point, the looks to be an absolutely horrible decision

He was the easy lazy hire. It backfired.

They were looking for the Anti-Pastner but assumed incorrectly that he would get talent out of Memphis.

Agreed...

I assumed he would be able to land the local talent easily as well but apparently landing local recruits is not a given.

bump



Like I said...

Tubby is a horrible fit here, but the problems with the program are higher up than the coach.

I think they are trying not to look reactionary by 'standing with their guy' as much as they can. The national media is painting this as a negative picture saying that Memphis isn't giving Tubby enough time. However, they fail to report the entire story, yeah Tubby won 21 games in his second season. BUT we as fans and the local media are able to see the cracks in the foundation that we also saw in Pastner. Its all about perception and Rudd and Bowen are trying to save face with the national pundits. They'll end up firing Tubby and hiring Penny, but they'll have an out when they are criticized for it saying "the fanbase pressured us into this hire."

They seem to be doing ok with the football.

(01-04-2018 12:44 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:37 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I realize Rudd and Bowen inherited Opie. That being said, they kept him 1-2 years too long. Now, we have another terrible hire. Is the real problem higher up than coach and will it not be truly fixed until changes are made on that level?

Just asking for thoughts/ opinions.

I genuinely believed the thinking was to bring in a low risk coach who would stabalize the program after JP. I thought the ceiling was pretty low with Tubby but thought we would at least be in the tournament consistently, transfers would stop and stability would be brought to Memphis. Then after 4 years or so we could both move on and bring in a coach to make us truly competitive. I think the admin was in the same line of thinking. That clearly is not turning out to be the case and this is turning into a complete disaster.

This...

You may have an administrative problem? But your immediate problem is the coach. tubby is a world class con man though. Memphis is not the only athletic dept he's snowed. Nor will they be the last.

If he put his grifter talents to work at coaching he might actually be in the HOF instead of having excuse makers say it for him.

We have an AD problem at UK. But he was over ruled and had to hire Cal. So even a messed up can make the right decision sometimes.

(01-04-2018 12:37 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I realize Rudd and Bowen inherited Opie. That being said, they kept him 1-2 years too long. Now, we have another terrible hire. Is the real problem higher up than coach and will it not be truly fixed until changes are made on that level?

Just asking for thoughts/ opinions.

David Rudd is the greatest president in our history, and Tom Bowen is far and away the best AD. You asked for opinions and those are mine.

(03-14-2018 11:32 AM)WColt45 Wrote:  I think they are trying not to look reactionary by 'standing with their guy' as much as they can. The national media is painting this as a negative picture saying that Memphis isn't giving Tubby enough time. However, they fail to report the entire story, yeah Tubby won 21 games in his second season. BUT we as fans and the local media are able to see the cracks in the foundation that we also saw in Pastner. Its all about perception and Rudd and Bowen are trying to save face with the national pundits. They'll end up firing Tubby and hiring Penny, but they'll have an out when they are criticized for it saying "the fanbase pressured us into this hire."

Well, the media will take a few shots, but it will be short-lived. Even the ones who are saying Tubby is making progress, admit to some of the issues and have mentioned that Penny should address those issues.

(03-14-2018 11:51 AM)BJD Wrote:  You may have an administrative problem? But your immediate problem is the coach. tubby is a world class con man though. Memphis is not the only athletic dept he's snowed. Nor will they be the last.

If he put his grifter talents to work at coaching he might actually be in the HOF instead of having excuse makers say it for him.

We have an AD problem at UK. But he was over ruled and had to hire Cal. So even a messed up can make the right decision sometimes.

Who asked you, kind sir? The Karma train is coming down the tracks for your coach and your program.

(03-14-2018 01:10 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 11:51 AM)BJD Wrote:  You may have an administrative problem? But your immediate problem is the coach. tubby is a world class con man though. Memphis is not the only athletic dept he's snowed. Nor will they be the last.

If he put his grifter talents to work at coaching he might actually be in the HOF instead of having excuse makers say it for him.

We have an AD problem at UK. But he was over ruled and had to hire Cal. So even a messed up can make the right decision sometimes.

Who asked you, kind sir? The Karma train is coming down the tracks for your coach and your program.

The FBI Express...all aboard!

(01-04-2018 12:37 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I realize Rudd and Bowen inherited Opie. That being said, they kept him 1-2 years too long. Now, we have another terrible hire. Is the real problem higher up than coach and will it not be truly fixed until changes are made on that level?

Just asking for thoughts/ opinions.

Hiring the right football coach hasn't been a problem for Rudd and Bowen. The same process has yet to be followed in basketball. Seems to be too many hands attempting to serve too many masters.