I think the Penny thing is an impending disaster. Pretty much if he failed would be the death knell of Tiger BB. Clyde Drexler, insanely well known/well liked by UH and insanely wealthy, was a disaster at Houston.

Penny's profile is only slightly better than Drexler's in that he coaches HS bballers.

So, hire an unproven Penny, who is currently a tremendous asset to Tiger BB and a great ambassador and if he fails? Well, he'll no longer be an asset and most likely it will be further irrelevance for our program.

Tubby's gotta go, but for Penny is a huge, huge risk. Tiger BB isn't quite on life-support. IF tiger BB gets to that stage, then go for it. Otherwise, no thanks. Steve Forbes would be much better.

Penny won’t be a disaster if you put a staff around him. Put Murray Bartow, Tony Madlock, Antonio Anderson, guys with local Memphis ties. Would immediately get you players.

(01-04-2018 02:46 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  Penny won’t be a disaster if you put a staff around him. Put Murray Bartow, Tony Madlock, Antonio Anderson, guys with local Memphis ties. Would immediately get you players.

That's the biggest risk: would Penny be amenable to 'suggestions' about his staff? What if Penny isn't and says 'I wanna do it my way with my staff?'

It is a very rare occurrence when someone is hired for the administration to say 'yeah, you better hire so-and-so as your assistant coach.'

Tubby has more experience than Madlock. Now what?

(01-04-2018 02:46 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  Penny won’t be a disaster if you put a staff around him. Put Murray Bartow, Tony Madlock, Antonio Anderson, guys with local Memphis ties. Would immediately get you players.

(01-04-2018 02:39 PM)ddramone Wrote:  I think the Penny thing is an impending disaster. Pretty much if he failed would be the death knell of Tiger BB. Clyde Drexler, insanely well known/well liked by UH and insanely wealthy, was a disaster at Houston.

Penny's profile is only slightly better than Drexler's in that he coaches HS bballers.

So, hire an unproven Penny, who is currently a tremendous asset to Tiger BB and a great ambassador and if he fails? Well, he'll no longer be an asset and most likely it will be further irrelevance for our program.

Tubby's gotta go, but for Penny is a huge, huge risk. Tiger BB isn't quite on life-support. IF tiger BB gets to that stage, then go for it. Otherwise, no thanks. Steve Forbes would be much better.

Drexler didn't have a recruiting pipeline.

(01-04-2018 02:46 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  Penny won’t be a disaster if you put a staff around him. Put Murray Bartow, Tony Madlock, Antonio Anderson, guys with local Memphis ties. Would immediately get you players.

Perfect. Put Kareem Cooper, Shawn Taggart and Joey Dorsey in as strength coach.
Then, wait for it, Andre Allen as director of player pharmaceuticals. Let's get high.

(01-04-2018 03:14 PM)ddramone Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 02:46 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  Penny won’t be a disaster if you put a staff around him. Put Murray Bartow, Tony Madlock, Antonio Anderson, guys with local Memphis ties. Would immediately get you players.

That's the biggest risk: would Penny be amenable to 'suggestions' about his staff? What if Penny isn't and says 'I wanna do it my way with my staff?'

It is a very rare occurrence when someone is hired for the administration to say 'yeah, you better hire so-and-so as your assistant coach.'

Other than being Gene Bartow's son, how would Murray be a great staff addition? I mean, seriously?

(01-04-2018 03:49 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 03:14 PM)ddramone Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 02:46 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  Penny won’t be a disaster if you put a staff around him. Put Murray Bartow, Tony Madlock, Antonio Anderson, guys with local Memphis ties. Would immediately get you players.

That's the biggest risk: would Penny be amenable to 'suggestions' about his staff? What if Penny isn't and says 'I wanna do it my way with my staff?'

It is a very rare occurrence when someone is hired for the administration to say 'yeah, you better hire so-and-so as your assistant coach.'

Other than being Gene Bartow's son, how would Murray be a great staff addition? I mean, seriously?

I think his point is getting an infusion of talent in a quick a way as possible. Memphis is loaded these next two years. But you could also just hire an assistant that is plugged in in Atlanta, or Orlando, or Houston, rather than hire the Memphis connection.

(01-03-2018 09:26 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 04:26 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:07 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:02 PM)UOFMGLENN Wrote:  I wonder why Tony hasn't gotten a chance at any level of college as a head coach?

I have no inside knowledge...


But the same was asked about Porter and we quickly found out why.

Please explain the coorelation.

Was Matlock better known for recruiting rather than being an X’s & O’s assistant coach?

People are asking the same question about a coach who has been a long time assistant...That is the only coorelation.

Larry Porter had only been a running backs coach though. Has Tony Matlock only been a director of operations or something?

(01-04-2018 02:46 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  Penny won’t be a disaster if you put a staff around him. Put Murray Bartow, Tony Madlock, Antonio Anderson, guys with local Memphis ties. Would immediately get you players.

Murray Bartow? Antonio Anderson? Just stop.

You need an established X and Os guy, say Stan Jones, plus a couple of player getters.

(01-04-2018 05:34 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 09:26 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 04:26 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:07 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:02 PM)UOFMGLENN Wrote:  I wonder why Tony hasn't gotten a chance at any level of college as a head coach?

I have no inside knowledge...


But the same was asked about Porter and we quickly found out why.

Please explain the coorelation.

Was Matlock better known for recruiting rather than being an X’s & O’s assistant coach?

People are asking the same question about a coach who has been a long time assistant...That is the only coorelation.

Larry Porter had only been a running backs coach though. Has Tony Matlock only been a director of operations or something?

I think (THINK) that Porter was Associate Head Coach at LSU. Not that it mattered much.

(01-04-2018 05:46 PM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 02:46 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  Penny won’t be a disaster if you put a staff around him. Put Murray Bartow, Tony Madlock, Antonio Anderson, guys with local Memphis ties. Would immediately get you players.

Murray Bartow? Antonio Anderson? Just stop.

You need an established X and Os guy, say Stan Jones, plus a couple of player getters.

Murry Bartow might be the X & O guy. I think the point of Bartow is that he has experience as a head coach (18 years at UAB and ETSU) and he has enough of a tie to Memphis that he might want the job and might really want to see Memphis succeed. He could provide a lot of guidance to Penny in how to be a head coach. While he wasn't the most successful HC in history, he wasn't bad and he learned a lot in those 18 seasons.

I think the Bartow, Madlock, Anderson combo would be pretty solid, but OBVIOUSLY, there are other very viable names, as well. It would be nice to have a staff of Memphis-blooded coaches, as opposed to the Arizona-centric crew we had for a few years. Guys for which Memphis would be more than a job, it would be a mission!

(01-04-2018 05:46 PM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 02:46 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  Penny won’t be a disaster if you put a staff around him. Put Murray Bartow, Tony Madlock, Antonio Anderson, guys with local Memphis ties. Would immediately get you players.

Murray Bartow? Antonio Anderson? Just stop.

You need an established X and Os guy, say Stan Jones, plus a couple of player getters.

Stan would only come here as the head coach.

If we hire Penny, I trust him to put his own staff together.

(01-04-2018 02:39 PM)ddramone Wrote:  I think the Penny thing is an impending disaster. Pretty much if he failed would be the death knell of Tiger BB. Clyde Drexler, insanely well known/well liked by UH and insanely wealthy, was a disaster at Houston.

Penny's profile is only slightly better than Drexler's in that he coaches HS bballers.

So, hire an unproven Penny, who is currently a tremendous asset to Tiger BB and a great ambassador and if he fails? Well, he'll no longer be an asset and most likely it will be further irrelevance for our program.

Tubby's gotta go, but for Penny is a huge, huge risk. Tiger BB isn't quite on life-support. IF tiger BB gets to that stage, then go for it. Otherwise, no thanks. Steve Forbes would be much better.

You make very strong points.

But the cautionary tale isn’t Clyde Drexler.

Drexler didn’t coach before taking the job. He literally took the job after retiring from the NBA. He was almost twenty years removed from the college game. He didn’t have his ear to the streets of high school players. He had only been back in his hometown for three years after spending most of his NBA career in Portland, 2,000 miles away. Clyde Drexler in some opinions was the second best shooting guard in the NBA for much of his career. But Drexler was never an NBA superstar on the level of a Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, or Charles Barkley. Drexler never had a top selling shoe, let alone one that was a top seller 20 years after his NBA prime. So when Drexler walked into the coaching job at Houston, what kind of preparation did he ever do? What juice did he have to persuade players to come to a dead program that hand been good since recruits were in preschool?

The cautionary tale is Josh Pastner. Even though Penny hasn’t been in college coaching like Pastner, I think his experience in basketball is much better than Pastner when he got the job. The concern is that like Pastner, he’ll recruit his heiny off, but won’t be able to coach or keep control of his program. Penny has the long NBA career and reached popularity higher than Drexler for a small window. Penny has NBA connections, and with his high school team and AAU program, he knows the current generation of talent and their coaches. Penny would have the full support of Nike. Getting players (especially regional stars) will be no trouble. But maybe Penny can’t actually coach. I don’t know what he is doing at East to be such a winning program. Is it the talent or is it him coaching that talent properly?

But once upon a time, an NBA guy who made a championship quality high school program was given control of a faltering college basketball program. He had only been a high school coach for six years. But he was a hometown guy and had a vested interest in the success of the program. John Thompson made Georgetown a champion. I know it was a different day; but is it really?

(01-04-2018 05:56 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 05:46 PM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 02:46 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  Penny won’t be a disaster if you put a staff around him. Put Murray Bartow, Tony Madlock, Antonio Anderson, guys with local Memphis ties. Would immediately get you players.

Murray Bartow? Antonio Anderson? Just stop.

You need an established X and Os guy, say Stan Jones, plus a couple of player getters.

Murry Bartow might be the X & O guy. I think the point of Bartow is that he has experience as a head coach (18 years at UAB and ETSU) and he has enough of a tie to Memphis that he might want the job and might really want to see Memphis succeed. He could provide a lot of guidance to Penny in how to be a head coach. While he wasn't the most successful HC in history, he wasn't bad and he learned a lot in those 18 seasons.

I think the Bartow, Madlock, Anderson combo would be pretty solid, but OBVIOUSLY, there are other very viable names, as well. It would be nice to have a staff of Memphis-blooded coaches, as opposed to the Arizona-centric crew we had for a few years. Guys for which Memphis would be more than a job, it would be a mission!

Bartow is the perfect example of the kind of x/o guy Penny would need. But he has the experience and basketball knowledge. Very similar to Cal's Robic. Bartow is not the only one, but he's a great example.

(01-04-2018 06:00 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  If we hire Penny, I trust him to put his own staff together.

If Penny doesn't let us pick his staff, he loses my vote.
Of course, Penny would pick his own staff - we are just speculating on the make up of that staff. We got nothing better to do.

(01-04-2018 06:01 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 02:39 PM)ddramone Wrote:  I think the Penny thing is an impending disaster. Pretty much if he failed would be the death knell of Tiger BB. Clyde Drexler, insanely well known/well liked by UH and insanely wealthy, was a disaster at Houston.

Penny's profile is only slightly better than Drexler's in that he coaches HS bballers.

So, hire an unproven Penny, who is currently a tremendous asset to Tiger BB and a great ambassador and if he fails? Well, he'll no longer be an asset and most likely it will be further irrelevance for our program.

Tubby's gotta go, but for Penny is a huge, huge risk. Tiger BB isn't quite on life-support. IF tiger BB gets to that stage, then go for it. Otherwise, no thanks. Steve Forbes would be much better.

You make very strong points.

But the cautionary tale isn’t Clyde Drexler.

Drexler didn’t coach before taking the job. He literally took the job after retiring from the NBA. He was almost twenty years removed from the college game. He didn’t have his ear to the streets of high school players. He had only been back in his hometown for three years after spending most of his NBA career in Portland, 2,000 miles away. Clyde Drexler in some opinions was the second best shooting guard in the NBA for much of his career. But Drexler was never an NBA superstar on the level of a Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, or Charles Barkley. Drexler never had a top selling shoe, let alone one that was a top seller 20 years after his NBA prime. So when Drexler walked into the coaching job at Houston, what kind of preparation did he ever do? What juice did he have to persuade players to come to a dead program that hand been good since recruits were in preschool?

The cautionary tale is Josh Pastner. Even though Penny hasn’t been in college coaching like Pastner, I think his experience in basketball is much better than Pastner when he got the job. The concern is that like Pastner, he’ll recruit his heiny off, but won’t be able to coach or keep control of his program. Penny has the long NBA career and reached popularity higher than Drexler for a small window. Penny has NBA connections, and with his high school team and AAU program, he knows the current generation of talent and their coaches. Penny would have the full support of Nike. Getting players (especially regional stars) will be no trouble. But maybe Penny can’t actually coach. I don’t know what he is doing at East to be such a winning program. Is it the talent or is it him coaching that talent properly?

But once upon a time, an NBA guy who made a championship quality high school program was given control of a faltering college basketball program. He had only been a high school coach for six years. But he was a hometown guy and had a vested interest in the success of the program. John Thompson made Georgetown a champion. I know it was a different day; but is it really?

^^^BOOM!^^^

(01-04-2018 06:01 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 02:39 PM)ddramone Wrote:  I think the Penny thing is an impending disaster. Pretty much if he failed would be the death knell of Tiger BB. Clyde Drexler, insanely well known/well liked by UH and insanely wealthy, was a disaster at Houston.

Penny's profile is only slightly better than Drexler's in that he coaches HS bballers.

So, hire an unproven Penny, who is currently a tremendous asset to Tiger BB and a great ambassador and if he fails? Well, he'll no longer be an asset and most likely it will be further irrelevance for our program.

Tubby's gotta go, but for Penny is a huge, huge risk. Tiger BB isn't quite on life-support. IF tiger BB gets to that stage, then go for it. Otherwise, no thanks. Steve Forbes would be much better.

You make very strong points.

But the cautionary tale isn’t Clyde Drexler.

Drexler didn’t coach before taking the job. He literally took the job after retiring from the NBA. He was almost twenty years removed from the college game. He didn’t have his ear to the streets of high school players. He had only been back in his hometown for three years after spending most of his NBA career in Portland, 2,000 miles away. Clyde Drexler in some opinions was the second best shooting guard in the NBA for much of his career. But Drexler was never an NBA superstar on the level of a Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, or Charles Barkley. Drexler never had a top selling shoe, let alone one that was a top seller 20 years after his NBA prime. So when Drexler walked into the coaching job at Houston, what kind of preparation did he ever do? What juice did he have to persuade players to come to a dead program that hand been good since recruits were in preschool?

The cautionary tale is Josh Pastner. Even though Penny hasn’t been in college coaching like Pastner, I think his experience in basketball is much better than Pastner when he got the job. The concern is that like Pastner, he’ll recruit his heiny off, but won’t be able to coach or keep control of his program. Penny has the long NBA career and reached popularity higher than Drexler for a small window. Penny has NBA connections, and with his high school team and AAU program, he knows the current generation of talent and their coaches. Penny would have the full support of Nike. Getting players (especially regional stars) will be no trouble. But maybe Penny can’t actually coach. I don’t know what he is doing at East to be such a winning program. Is it the talent or is it him coaching that talent properly?

But once upon a time, an NBA guy who made a championship quality high school program was given control of a faltering college basketball program. He had only been a high school coach for six years. But he was a hometown guy and had a vested interest in the success of the program. John Thompson made Georgetown a champion. I know it was a different day; but is it really?

Pennys no idiot, and i think people arent giving him enough credit. I bet he has a staff already in mind, and will include a former head coach with local ties.