(12-30-2017 01:58 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

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(12-29-2017 04:25 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  A lot of people said that back in '05, '06 & '07.

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App. seems like it's at the same level to me. Don't tell me ASU couldn't have won the Sun Belt back then. The amount of scholarships would limit depth but it's not like they couldn't overcome that with raw grit and talent.

The Michigan game should have been a blowout, they kept letting Michigan hang around in the second half with turnovers, left points on the board and almost blew it multiple times. So all that has happened is that they've moved up, but their level of play is roughly the same.

Apps Armanti Edwards years were freakishly good. They probably would have cruised thru the Sunbelt back then. Same with the GaSouthern teams of '99 and '00.

The Sun Belt of the early 2000's was exponentially worse than the Sun Belt of today.

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The SoCon of Armanti's time was probably just as good as the Sun Belt of then. They almost missed the playoffs the Michigan-upset year. Heck, when they got there, they definitely should have been eliminated by James Madison.

The SBC and CUSA realignment needs to happen. There is no doubt it would reduce overall travel cost and almost certainly increase attendance at the conference basketball tournament.

As an ODU alumnus, Id like to see a division of ODU, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, App, and Charlotte.


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(12-30-2017 08:26 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  The SBC and CUSA realignment needs to happen. There is no doubt it would reduce overall travel cost and almost certainly increase attendance at the conference basketball tournament.

As an ODU alumnus, Id like to see a division of ODU, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, App, and Charlotte.


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App fans just really aren't interested to be in a conference with UNCC or Liberty or ODU if it blows up the rivalries of GaSo, Troy and Ark State. Most App fans would love to be with old conference foe Marshall in a conference but not at that kind of expense. OOC games with UNCC, Marshall and ODU have been played and/or already scheduled. That is the best of both worlds.

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(12-30-2017 09:04 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 08:26 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  The SBC and CUSA realignment needs to happen. There is no doubt it would reduce overall travel cost and almost certainly increase attendance at the conference basketball tournament.

As an ODU alumnus, Id like to see a division of ODU, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, App, and Charlotte.


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App fans just really aren't interested to be in a conference with UNCC or Liberty or ODU if it blows up the rivalries of GaSo, Troy and Ark State. Most App fans would love to be with old conference foe Marshall in a conference but not at that kind of expense. OOC games with UNCC, Marshall and ODU have been played and/or already scheduled. That is the best of both worlds.

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The issue is cost and the travel cost in both SBC and CUSA is ridiculous and fiscally irresponsible . Id like to remain in a conference with Southern Miss and La Tech, but it makes no financial sense.

We all need to be in regional leagues. It would also greatly benefit out basketball and baseball tournaments if it was driveable for all schools. A regional conference with the Tourny in Raleigh or Charlotte would have more attendees then the SBC or CUSA could ever hope for under their current membership.


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ODU, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, App, Charlotte, Middle Tennessee, WKU, UAB, Ga. St., GSU, Coastal Carolina.

Add a couple or delete a couple. Figure out what divisions to place them in or have no divisions at all.

Football and basketball RPIs, as well as attendance numbers, would be competitive or better than what the SBC and CUSA have now.

Thats what needs to happen.


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(12-30-2017 11:23 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 09:04 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 08:26 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  The SBC and CUSA realignment needs to happen. There is no doubt it would reduce overall travel cost and almost certainly increase attendance at the conference basketball tournament.

As an ODU alumnus, Id like to see a division of ODU, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, App, and Charlotte.


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App fans just really aren't interested to be in a conference with UNCC or Liberty or ODU if it blows up the rivalries of GaSo, Troy and Ark State. Most App fans would love to be with old conference foe Marshall in a conference but not at that kind of expense. OOC games with UNCC, Marshall and ODU have been played and/or already scheduled. That is the best of both worlds.

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The issue is cost and the travel cost in both SBC and CUSA is ridiculous and fiscally irresponsible . Id like to remain in a conference with Southern Miss and La Tech, but it makes no financial sense.

We all need to be in regional leagues. It would also greatly benefit out basketball and baseball tournaments if it was driveable for all schools. A regional conference with the Tourny in Raleigh or Charlotte would have more attendees then the SBC or CUSA could ever hope for under their current membership.


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If lower travel costs is your primary goal then just create a bus league out of FCS schools.

Personally, If the choice is better football schools with travel...or lousier football schools with less travel...then I will choose the travel.

If the choice were Marshall or Missouri State then I'd be travelling to Marshall.

What is it that you want? Lower cost or association with better football?

You seem to prefer lower cost over USM and LaTech and that seems sort of small thinking.

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Sun Belt needs to go balls out and offer USM, LT, Marshall and NMSU memberships.

They can offer anything they want, it doesn't mean it's gonna be accepted.

For instance, is ECU worried about travel to Houston so much that they are looking to ditch Houston and pick up Coastal Carolina? No, because they aren't looking for a bus league over quality membership.

I'm not sure how people have gotten the idea of travel costs uber alles and that reducing costs is the path to greatness.

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It depends. It all depends. C-USA spreads thousands upon, thousands of miles. While a bus league doesn't make sense, it might be of interest for each division to split and start a new conference.

(12-30-2017 01:58 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 12:57 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 04:25 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  A lot of people said that back in '05, '06 & '07.

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App. seems like it's at the same level to me. Don't tell me ASU couldn't have won the Sun Belt back then. The amount of scholarships would limit depth but it's not like they couldn't overcome that with raw grit and talent.

The Michigan game should have been a blowout, they kept letting Michigan hang around in the second half with turnovers, left points on the board and almost blew it multiple times. So all that has happened is that they've moved up, but their level of play is roughly the same.

Apps Armanti Edwards years were freakishly good. They probably would have cruised thru the Sunbelt back then. Same with the GaSouthern teams of '99 and '00.

I disagree. One game against Michigan, which we came out of completely beat to pieces, doesn't compare to playing a 12 game FBS schedule. Much of the gaudy numbers during that stretch came against inferior opposition. Maybe 2-3 guys on FCS teams that would a start for SB teams.

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(12-30-2017 02:22 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  The SoCon of Armanti's time was probably just as good as the Sun Belt of then. They almost missed the playoffs the Michigan-upset year. Heck, when they got there, they definitely should have been eliminated by James Madison.

We almost missed the playoffs because AE was so beat up after Michigan he missed several games. JMU game Shoulda, Coulda, Didn't.

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(12-30-2017 01:30 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 11:23 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 09:04 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 08:26 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  The SBC and CUSA realignment needs to happen. There is no doubt it would reduce overall travel cost and almost certainly increase attendance at the conference basketball tournament.

As an ODU alumnus, Id like to see a division of ODU, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, App, and Charlotte.


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App fans just really aren't interested to be in a conference with UNCC or Liberty or ODU if it blows up the rivalries of GaSo, Troy and Ark State. Most App fans would love to be with old conference foe Marshall in a conference but not at that kind of expense. OOC games with UNCC, Marshall and ODU have been played and/or already scheduled. That is the best of both worlds.

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The issue is cost and the travel cost in both SBC and CUSA is ridiculous and fiscally irresponsible . Id like to remain in a conference with Southern Miss and La Tech, but it makes no financial sense.

We all need to be in regional leagues. It would also greatly benefit out basketball and baseball tournaments if it was driveable for all schools. A regional conference with the Tourny in Raleigh or Charlotte would have more attendees then the SBC or CUSA could ever hope for under their current membership.


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If lower travel costs is your primary goal then just create a bus league out of FCS schools.

Personally, If the choice is better football schools with travel...or lousier football schools with less travel...then I will choose the travel.

If the choice were Marshall or Missouri State then I'd be travelling to Marshall.

What is it that you want? Lower cost or association with better football?

You seem to prefer lower cost over USM and LaTech and that seems sort of small thinking.

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You guys who continually toss out the bus league smack seem to forget there is far more to a conference than football. Show me the difference, PROGRAM WISE, in Tex St & UNCC, ODU & ULM, Marshall & ULL, WKU & USA, MTSU & AState.

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(12-30-2017 08:26 AM)ODU1986 Wrote:  The SBC and CUSA realignment needs to happen. There is no doubt it would reduce overall travel cost and almost certainly increase attendance at the conference basketball tournament.

As an ODU alumnus, Id like to see a division of ODU, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, App, and Charlotte.


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Most App fans would be ok with something similar to this as long as GS and Troy were in the mix as well.

(12-30-2017 04:53 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 02:22 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  The SoCon of Armanti's time was probably just as good as the Sun Belt of then. They almost missed the playoffs the Michigan-upset year. Heck, when they got there, they definitely should have been eliminated by James Madison.

We almost missed the playoffs because AE was so beat up after Michigan he missed several games. JMU game Shoulda, Coulda, Didn't.

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Oh please, as if A-State was the only team with injuries. It was the first game of the season, it's not like he was already beaten up after half a season, then beat up further at a much higher level of competition.

The SoCon was really good back then, it wasn't just that year.

(12-31-2017 12:00 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 04:53 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 02:22 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  The SoCon of Armanti's time was probably just as good as the Sun Belt of then. They almost missed the playoffs the Michigan-upset year. Heck, when they got there, they definitely should have been eliminated by James Madison.

We almost missed the playoffs because AE was so beat up after Michigan he missed several games. JMU game Shoulda, Coulda, Didn't.

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Oh please, as if A-State was the only team with injuries. It was the first game of the season, it's not like he was already beaten up after half a season, then beat up further at a much higher level of competition.

The SoCon was really good back then, it wasn't just that year.

Edwards injured his throwing shoulder a week before the Michigan game and reinjured it during the 1st half but toughed it out. I spoke to him after the game and he signed my program. You could tell he was hurting. X-ray on Monday revealed a chipped bone. He missed the next two games, reinjured it the 1st half of the Wofford and missed two more. Edwards played 3 halves the first 6 games.

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Sounds like a warrior.

(12-25-2017 08:39 AM)AppNation85 Wrote:  CUSA should dump Charlotte and add App State if contracts allow and App is even willing to go at this point. AAC and all P5s still out of reach and every other conference doesn’t make sense geographically.

Keep Charlotte, dump UTEP, it's on the fringe of the CUSA footprint and has contributed nothing in the last few years. Charlotte has potential and is in the middle of CUSA footprint.