(12-19-2018 08:25 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  yup - mettlen isnt nearly on the level that madia is.

Maybe so though I am not nearly as enamored with Madia as others are. The 2019 class is pretty much sealed and we won't be signing many, if any, in the 2020 class. So, he may be twiddling his thumbs a bit when it comes to recruiting. Should we even start up a new MBB Recruiting 2020 thread considering we might not have any room at the inn?

Offered a PG out of the ATL area for the 2019 class. Roster turnover after the season looms large with the scholarship#'s & LOI's and mounting L's

https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/hunter-mcintosh
http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/gre...hedule.htm

Hicklin - bust
Urbach - Jury is still out but so lightly recruited not sure why he was given a scholarship
Flowers - Injured? Too thin? Over recruited?
2018 Rowe is 1 out of 4 on recruits when he needed to hit on at least 2 to help this squad.
2017 Can argue he only hit on Banks and Lewis. Jones/Jacobs have a long way to go.

Add to that he was 1 out of 4 his first year with Moseley being a strong get while Holmes, Johnson, and Scissum were complete busts and left the program after one year.

It is not an accident or bad luck that the Dukes are floundering under Rowe.
He is responsible for everything in the program and that rolls up into wins and losses.
The objective results are 23-54 D-1 record. .291 winning percentage

If you want to give him credit for 4 phony wins against D III teams then that would be 27-54

College basketball recruiting and player development can be a little fickle. I still think Rowe and company Have done a pretty solid job recruiting. Sure there have been misses but there have been some wins as well and locally also. Every guy you bring on on scholarship is not recruited to be a starter not is every every kid going to be an immediate contributor.

Bawlmer you forgot to mention Wilson and I think Jones and Jacobs are role guys who will develop. The 2017 class was a good one no debating that. By all accounts 2019 looks very good. They just need to be more even but I think playing time plays into some of these kids decisions so you often see space between good classes. In 18 jmu was in the mix for some impact guys and just didn’t get it done. Parker is a nice piece but guys like Kinsey(Marshall) Williamsen (East Tennessee) and Honor (Fordham) are more impactful and Jmu could have used one of them but they made finals but didn’t win.

I really think Urbach is essentially a preferred walk on.

(01-05-2019 01:28 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  College basketball recruiting and player development can be a little fickle. I still think Rowe and company Have done a pretty solid job recruiting. Sure there have been misses but there have been some wins as well and locally also. Every guy you bring on on scholarship is not recruited to be a starter not is every every kid going to be an immediate contributor.

Bawlmer you forgot to mention Wilson and I think Jones and Jacobs are role guys who will develop. The 2017 class was a good one no debating that. By all accounts 2019 looks very good. They just need to be more even but I think playing time plays into some of these kids decisions so you often see space between good classes. In 18 jmu was in the mix for some impact guys and just didn’t get it done. Parker is a nice piece but guys like Kinsey(Marshall) Williamsen (East Tennessee) and Honor (Fordham) are more impactful and Jmu could have used one of them but they made finals but didn’t win.

I really think Urbach is essentially a preferred walk on.

My mistake, I did forget about Wilson...and I agree with you on him being a hit. Jacobs and Jones haven't developed, so can this staff get more productivity out of them? For the 2019 season these 2017 guys will again need to be the leaders, but for the fans who are left I am of the opinion they hope this 2019 class are the new saviors for all of the issues that are being discussed in multiple threads.

We agree recruiting is difficult, but the theme that Rowe is a very good recruiter has more holes than some realize.

Dukes offered a subpar shooting % JUCO SG last night, Tariq Simmons ; https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/tariq-simmons

VerbalCommits has him as a 3 star

The Citadel stats: https://static.citadelsports.com/customp...amcume.htm
JUCO stats: http://www.panolaathletics.com/sports/mb...r=0&pos=sh

Rowe and Co. still out there trying to find more talent as we all ponder roster roulette

(01-05-2019 01:46 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 01:28 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  College basketball recruiting and player development can be a little fickle. I still think Rowe and company Have done a pretty solid job recruiting. Sure there have been misses but there have been some wins as well and locally also. Every guy you bring on on scholarship is not recruited to be a starter not is every every kid going to be an immediate contributor.

Bawlmer you forgot to mention Wilson and I think Jones and Jacobs are role guys who will develop. The 2017 class was a good one no debating that. By all accounts 2019 looks very good. They just need to be more even but I think playing time plays into some of these kids decisions so you often see space between good classes. In 18 jmu was in the mix for some impact guys and just didn’t get it done. Parker is a nice piece but guys like Kinsey(Marshall) Williamsen (East Tennessee) and Honor (Fordham) are more impactful and Jmu could have used one of them but they made finals but didn’t win.

I really think Urbach is essentially a preferred walk on.

My mistake, I did forget about Wilson...and I agree with you on him being a hit. Jacobs and Jones haven't developed, so can this staff get more productivity out of them? For the 2019 season these 2017 guys will again need to be the leaders, but for the fans who are left I am of the opinion they hope this 2019 class are the new saviors for all of the issues that are being discussed in multiple threads.

We agree recruiting is difficult, but the theme that Rowe is a very good recruiter has more holes than some realize.

I think you'd find that Rowe's hit rate along with the prospects he has been in the mix on and hasn't gotten, the programs and schools they have cultivated (even getting a 5 star to make a visit to JMU) is above average/good relative to other mid major programs.

BTW appreciate the updates on some of the former JMU players/recruits- that stuff is always of interest to me. Just wanted to make sure as it pertains to your Rowe isn't that good a recruiter narrative that Kevin Kangni and Dante Sterling were not Rowe recruits.

(01-06-2019 11:16 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 01:46 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 01:28 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  College basketball recruiting and player development can be a little fickle. I still think Rowe and company Have done a pretty solid job recruiting. Sure there have been misses but there have been some wins as well and locally also. Every guy you bring on on scholarship is not recruited to be a starter not is every every kid going to be an immediate contributor.

Bawlmer you forgot to mention Wilson and I think Jones and Jacobs are role guys who will develop. The 2017 class was a good one no debating that. By all accounts 2019 looks very good. They just need to be more even but I think playing time plays into some of these kids decisions so you often see space between good classes. In 18 jmu was in the mix for some impact guys and just didn’t get it done. Parker is a nice piece but guys like Kinsey(Marshall) Williamsen (East Tennessee) and Honor (Fordham) are more impactful and Jmu could have used one of them but they made finals but didn’t win.

I really think Urbach is essentially a preferred walk on.

My mistake, I did forget about Wilson...and I agree with you on him being a hit. Jacobs and Jones haven't developed, so can this staff get more productivity out of them? For the 2019 season these 2017 guys will again need to be the leaders, but for the fans who are left I am of the opinion they hope this 2019 class are the new saviors for all of the issues that are being discussed in multiple threads.

We agree recruiting is difficult, but the theme that Rowe is a very good recruiter has more holes than some realize.

I think you'd find that Rowe's hit rate along with the prospects he has been in the mix on and hasn't gotten, the programs and schools they have cultivated (even getting a 5 star to make a visit to JMU) is above average/good relative to other mid major programs.

BTW appreciate the updates on some of the former JMU players/recruits- that stuff is always of interest to me. Just wanted to make sure as it pertains to your Rowe isn't that good a recruiter narrative that Kevin Kangni and Dante Sterling were not Rowe recruits.

I think there are some who believe he is hands down a great recruiter. I disagree. I'd say he has been above average, which for is a positive for where this program is and where the CAA is. I'm glad they got Parker, but I think they made a big mistake in going after 4 freshman for the 2018 class and we are seeing that on the court. This is due to the nature of the beast, WINS keep fans and admins happy. Many on these boards do not believe he is a good X's and O's coach, so I would think the staff better be above average in player development to go along with their above average recruiting.

Going after a SG with subpar shooting numbers doesn't excite me. To expect any of the freshman next year to come in and take over for Mosley's O production is a big piece of HOPE pie to eat.

Regarding Kangni and Sterling, you're right I should have pointed out that they were Brady players as you mentioned. I was simply interested in where are they now since they still had eligibility for this season.

with approximately 800 transfers in d 1 mens basketball last year, recruiting now is harder than ever. As a staff you have to be prepared for a player leaving at a moments notice.

(01-06-2019 11:39 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  

(01-06-2019 11:16 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 01:46 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 01:28 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  College basketball recruiting and player development can be a little fickle. I still think Rowe and company Have done a pretty solid job recruiting. Sure there have been misses but there have been some wins as well and locally also. Every guy you bring on on scholarship is not recruited to be a starter not is every every kid going to be an immediate contributor.

Bawlmer you forgot to mention Wilson and I think Jones and Jacobs are role guys who will develop. The 2017 class was a good one no debating that. By all accounts 2019 looks very good. They just need to be more even but I think playing time plays into some of these kids decisions so you often see space between good classes. In 18 jmu was in the mix for some impact guys and just didn’t get it done. Parker is a nice piece but guys like Kinsey(Marshall) Williamsen (East Tennessee) and Honor (Fordham) are more impactful and Jmu could have used one of them but they made finals but didn’t win.

I really think Urbach is essentially a preferred walk on.

My mistake, I did forget about Wilson...and I agree with you on him being a hit. Jacobs and Jones haven't developed, so can this staff get more productivity out of them? For the 2019 season these 2017 guys will again need to be the leaders, but for the fans who are left I am of the opinion they hope this 2019 class are the new saviors for all of the issues that are being discussed in multiple threads.

We agree recruiting is difficult, but the theme that Rowe is a very good recruiter has more holes than some realize.

I think you'd find that Rowe's hit rate along with the prospects he has been in the mix on and hasn't gotten, the programs and schools they have cultivated (even getting a 5 star to make a visit to JMU) is above average/good relative to other mid major programs.

BTW appreciate the updates on some of the former JMU players/recruits- that stuff is always of interest to me. Just wanted to make sure as it pertains to your Rowe isn't that good a recruiter narrative that Kevin Kangni and Dante Sterling were not Rowe recruits.

I think there are some who believe he is hands down a great recruiter. I disagree. I'd say he has been above average, which for is a positive for where this program is and where the CAA is. I'm glad they got Parker, but I think they made a big mistake in going after 4 freshman for the 2018 class and we are seeing that on the court. This is due to the nature of the beast, WINS keep fans and admins happy. Many on these boards do not believe he is a good X's and O's coach, so I would think the staff better be above average in player development to go along with their above average recruiting.

Going after a SG with subpar shooting numbers doesn't excite me. To expect any of the freshman next year to come in and take over for Mosley's O production is a big piece of HOPE pie to eat.

Regarding Kangni and Sterling, you're right I should have pointed out that they were Brady players as you mentioned. I was simply interested in where are they now since they still had eligibility for this season.

Gotcha so you're advocating for more Juco kids or a grad transfer who can shoot right? JMU has offered Sean McNeil from Sinclair Junior College- not sure why it isn't showing on Verbal Commits. Shooters are in short supply. I worry about the Mosely void as well. I do think that Christmas will be an impact guy and looks to have the size/skills to play the 4 position in a small lineup with Banks at 3, Lewis at 2 and Parker at 1. The Dukes also have an LOI from Quinn Richey who is a shooter who was recruited at a pretty high level. The hope is that Banks, Lewis and Parker continue to get better from the outside and Richey adds something to fill the Stuckey void.

I get that recruiting is nothing without development but I guess I'm surprised that Rowe doesn't get any credit for player development. Banks, Wilson, even early in his coaching tenure the progress that Jackson Kent made and others. I think Coach Rowe and his staff have proven themselves to not only be hard workers on the recruiting trail but hard workers with the kids in the program and the kids have gotten better under his watch. Even Matt Lewis who has had ups and downs. He may not be a natural PG and may never be but the progress he has made handling the ball, looking for teammates will be valuable as he progresses as an upper classman.

Whether it's a 4 year transfer, 4 year high school recruit or Juco- immediate impact stars are rare. I could count on 1 hand the number that JMU has had over the last few decades. It usually takes time and development is incremental.

(01-06-2019 03:11 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(01-06-2019 11:39 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  

(01-06-2019 11:16 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 01:46 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 01:28 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  College basketball recruiting and player development can be a little fickle. I still think Rowe and company Have done a pretty solid job recruiting. Sure there have been misses but there have been some wins as well and locally also. Every guy you bring on on scholarship is not recruited to be a starter not is every every kid going to be an immediate contributor.

Bawlmer you forgot to mention Wilson and I think Jones and Jacobs are role guys who will develop. The 2017 class was a good one no debating that. By all accounts 2019 looks very good. They just need to be more even but I think playing time plays into some of these kids decisions so you often see space between good classes. In 18 jmu was in the mix for some impact guys and just didn’t get it done. Parker is a nice piece but guys like Kinsey(Marshall) Williamsen (East Tennessee) and Honor (Fordham) are more impactful and Jmu could have used one of them but they made finals but didn’t win.

I really think Urbach is essentially a preferred walk on.

My mistake, I did forget about Wilson...and I agree with you on him being a hit. Jacobs and Jones haven't developed, so can this staff get more productivity out of them? For the 2019 season these 2017 guys will again need to be the leaders, but for the fans who are left I am of the opinion they hope this 2019 class are the new saviors for all of the issues that are being discussed in multiple threads.

We agree recruiting is difficult, but the theme that Rowe is a very good recruiter has more holes than some realize.

I think you'd find that Rowe's hit rate along with the prospects he has been in the mix on and hasn't gotten, the programs and schools they have cultivated (even getting a 5 star to make a visit to JMU) is above average/good relative to other mid major programs.

BTW appreciate the updates on some of the former JMU players/recruits- that stuff is always of interest to me. Just wanted to make sure as it pertains to your Rowe isn't that good a recruiter narrative that Kevin Kangni and Dante Sterling were not Rowe recruits.

I think there are some who believe he is hands down a great recruiter. I disagree. I'd say he has been above average, which for is a positive for where this program is and where the CAA is. I'm glad they got Parker, but I think they made a big mistake in going after 4 freshman for the 2018 class and we are seeing that on the court. This is due to the nature of the beast, WINS keep fans and admins happy. Many on these boards do not believe he is a good X's and O's coach, so I would think the staff better be above average in player development to go along with their above average recruiting.

Going after a SG with subpar shooting numbers doesn't excite me. To expect any of the freshman next year to come in and take over for Mosley's O production is a big piece of HOPE pie to eat.

Regarding Kangni and Sterling, you're right I should have pointed out that they were Brady players as you mentioned. I was simply interested in where are they now since they still had eligibility for this season.

Gotcha so you're advocating for more Juco kids or a grad transfer who can shoot right? JMU has offered Sean McNeil from Sinclair Junior College- not sure why it isn't showing on Verbal Commits. Shooters are in short supply. I worry about the Mosely void as well. I do think that Christmas will be an impact guy and looks to have the size/skills to play the 4 position in a small lineup with Banks at 3, Lewis at 2 and Parker at 1. The Dukes also have an LOI from Quinn Richey who is a shooter who was recruited at a pretty high level. The hope is that Banks, Lewis and Parker continue to get better from the outside and Richey adds something to fill the Stuckey void.

I get that recruiting is nothing without development but I guess I'm surprised that Rowe doesn't get any credit for player development. Banks, Wilson, even early in his coaching tenure the progress that Jackson Kent made and others. I think Coach Rowe and his staff have proven themselves to not only be hard workers on the recruiting trail but hard workers with the kids in the program and the kids have gotten better under his watch. Even Matt Lewis who has had ups and downs. He may not be a natural PG and may never be but the progress he has made handling the ball, looking for teammates will be valuable as he progresses as an upper classman.

Whether it's a 4 year transfer, 4 year high school recruit or Juco- immediate impact stars are rare. I could count on 1 hand the number that JMU has had over the last few decades. It usually takes time and development is incremental.

This upcoming class on paper checks all the boxes of need, as you highlight in your post.

I am not anti-JUCO as some may be, as they can be just as hit or miss as a freshman recruit. I do believe this team needs a JUCO for this class because after Develle and Mosley leave we have a big void to fill with freshman who more than likely will take their time to get their feet under them.

Say Richey is the shooter as you indicate, then I would mine the trail hard to find another big man body over a SG with a poor track record of shooting.

I think you and I are on the same page or at least same chapter with what we see, do you agree or disagree?

(01-06-2019 05:25 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  

(01-06-2019 03:11 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(01-06-2019 11:39 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  

(01-06-2019 11:16 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 01:46 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  My mistake, I did forget about Wilson...and I agree with you on him being a hit. Jacobs and Jones haven't developed, so can this staff get more productivity out of them? For the 2019 season these 2017 guys will again need to be the leaders, but for the fans who are left I am of the opinion they hope this 2019 class are the new saviors for all of the issues that are being discussed in multiple threads.

We agree recruiting is difficult, but the theme that Rowe is a very good recruiter has more holes than some realize.

I think you'd find that Rowe's hit rate along with the prospects he has been in the mix on and hasn't gotten, the programs and schools they have cultivated (even getting a 5 star to make a visit to JMU) is above average/good relative to other mid major programs.

BTW appreciate the updates on some of the former JMU players/recruits- that stuff is always of interest to me. Just wanted to make sure as it pertains to your Rowe isn't that good a recruiter narrative that Kevin Kangni and Dante Sterling were not Rowe recruits.

I think there are some who believe he is hands down a great recruiter. I disagree. I'd say he has been above average, which for is a positive for where this program is and where the CAA is. I'm glad they got Parker, but I think they made a big mistake in going after 4 freshman for the 2018 class and we are seeing that on the court. This is due to the nature of the beast, WINS keep fans and admins happy. Many on these boards do not believe he is a good X's and O's coach, so I would think the staff better be above average in player development to go along with their above average recruiting.

Going after a SG with subpar shooting numbers doesn't excite me. To expect any of the freshman next year to come in and take over for Mosley's O production is a big piece of HOPE pie to eat.

Regarding Kangni and Sterling, you're right I should have pointed out that they were Brady players as you mentioned. I was simply interested in where are they now since they still had eligibility for this season.

Gotcha so you're advocating for more Juco kids or a grad transfer who can shoot right? JMU has offered Sean McNeil from Sinclair Junior College- not sure why it isn't showing on Verbal Commits. Shooters are in short supply. I worry about the Mosely void as well. I do think that Christmas will be an impact guy and looks to have the size/skills to play the 4 position in a small lineup with Banks at 3, Lewis at 2 and Parker at 1. The Dukes also have an LOI from Quinn Richey who is a shooter who was recruited at a pretty high level. The hope is that Banks, Lewis and Parker continue to get better from the outside and Richey adds something to fill the Stuckey void.

I get that recruiting is nothing without development but I guess I'm surprised that Rowe doesn't get any credit for player development. Banks, Wilson, even early in his coaching tenure the progress that Jackson Kent made and others. I think Coach Rowe and his staff have proven themselves to not only be hard workers on the recruiting trail but hard workers with the kids in the program and the kids have gotten better under his watch. Even Matt Lewis who has had ups and downs. He may not be a natural PG and may never be but the progress he has made handling the ball, looking for teammates will be valuable as he progresses as an upper classman.

Whether it's a 4 year transfer, 4 year high school recruit or Juco- immediate impact stars are rare. I could count on 1 hand the number that JMU has had over the last few decades. It usually takes time and development is incremental.

This upcoming class on paper checks all the boxes of need, as you highlight in your post.

I am not anti-JUCO as some may be, as they can be just as hit or miss as a freshman recruit. I do believe this team needs a JUCO for this class because after Develle and Mosley leave we have a big void to fill with freshman who more than likely will take their time to get their feet under them.

Say Richey is the shooter as you indicate, then I would mine the trail hard to find another big man body over a SG with a poor track record of shooting.

I think you and I are on the same page or at least same chapter with what we see, do you agree or disagree?

Yep I agree- at least one of the incoming freshman looks to be a contributor up front. Christmas has good size as well and they'll have Wilson, Jacobs, Jones and Flowers presumedly back. I think if you can trade a scholarship for Urbach and or Pinkards spots at guard and its a more dynamic offensive veteran guard (Juco or grad transfer) to provide depth there you do it.

I'm not high on Jacobs. Jones may be turning the corner development wise, which is good. I'd like for the Dukes to find another big body for next season, a la Goins or even a Phillips who has his moments.

Look to be fair, Rowe's recruiting has been a mixed bag, but overall his greatest strength probably.

Year 1 - Mosley, Scissum, Holmes and Johnson: He started in early April of 2016 and had been a relatively low level assistant and didn't have a lot of time to do much. Mosley is the prize of this group with the rest of the guys transferring out.

Year 2 - Banks, Lewis, Wilson, Jones, Jacobs, Smith, Phillips and Pinkard. The core of the team is here.

Year 3 - Flowers, Urbach, Parker and Hicklin. This was not a particularly good recruiting class as only Parker has contributed so far with Hicklin already transferring out. It could be because the previous class was strong that it was difficult to win recruiting battles. This class has really hurt him, though. This was the time to step it up.

Year 4 - Richey, Christmas, Fowler and Wooden. On paper, this could prove to be his best class based on the interest each player generated on the recruiting circuit and their relative rankings within each of their states (GA, NC and VA). He's also likely to add to this haul. This class before Saturday's win was the primary reason to bring back Rowe, as I'd hate to lose these guys to make another coaching change. Perhaps a better solution would be to make some adjustments on his staff to add experienced knowledgeable assistants (and I know many would disagree with this position). Keener was given 4 years and Rowe is now in Year 3. Gives future coaches the knowledge that Administration is stable in supporting its coaches through difficult times.

(01-07-2019 11:11 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Look to be fair, Rowe's recruiting has been a mixed bag, but overall his greatest strength probably.

Year 1 - Mosley, Scissum, Holmes and Johnson: He started in early April of 2016 and had been a relatively low level assistant and didn't have a lot of time to do much. Mosley is the prize of this group with the rest of the guys transferring out.

Year 2 - Banks, Lewis, Wilson, Jones, Jacobs, Smith, Phillips and Pinkard. The core of the team is here.

Year 3 - Flowers, Urbach, Parker and Hicklin. This was not a particularly good recruiting class as only Parker has contributed so far with Hicklin already transferring out. It could be because the previous class was strong that it was difficult to win recruiting battles. This class has really hurt him, though. This was the time to step it up.

Year 4 - Richey, Christmas, Fowler and Wooden. On paper, this could prove to be his best class based on the interest each player generated on the recruiting circuit and their relative rankings within each of their states (GA, NC and VA). He's also likely to add to this haul. This class before Saturday's win was the primary reason to bring back Rowe, as I'd hate to lose these guys to make another coaching change. Perhaps a better solution would be to make some adjustments on his staff to add experienced knowledgeable assistants (and I know many would disagree with this position). Keener was given 4 years and Rowe is now in Year 3. Gives future coaches the knowledge that Administration is stable in supporting its coaches through difficult times.

If that's the only reason to keep Rowe around, he has to go. Next year will be an even worse scenario, because that will be closer to the end of his contract. JMU won't be giving him an extension unless he miraculously turns it around (he won't).
It will be harder for him to recruit due to his uncertainty as a head coach. Regardless of which year Rowe gets fired/leaves there will always be that unknown. Perhaps next years recruiting class looks even stronger than this one... then what?
There's a chance they stay at JMU regardless of the coach. There's a chance all of them leave. There's a chance a new coach would bring in even better guys. There's a ton of uncertainty, but we can't be afraid to let a coach go purely because his recruits may ditch us. Our coaching decision should not be taken hostage by recruits.
Wins and losses are what matter most.

(01-07-2019 11:11 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Look to be fair, Rowe's recruiting has been a mixed bag, but overall his greatest strength probably.

Year 1 - Mosley, Scissum, Holmes and Johnson: He started in early April of 2016 and had been a relatively low level assistant and didn't have a lot of time to do much. Mosley is the prize of this group with the rest of the guys transferring out.

Year 2 - Banks, Lewis, Wilson, Jones, Jacobs, Smith, Phillips and Pinkard. The core of the team is here.

Year 3 - Flowers, Urbach, Parker and Hicklin. This was not a particularly good recruiting class as only Parker has contributed so far with Hicklin already transferring out. It could be because the previous class was strong that it was difficult to win recruiting battles. This class has really hurt him, though. This was the time to step it up.

Year 4 - Richey, Christmas, Fowler and Wooden. On paper, this could prove to be his best class based on the interest each player generated on the recruiting circuit and their relative rankings within each of their states (GA, NC and VA). He's also likely to add to this haul. This class before Saturday's win was the primary reason to bring back Rowe, as I'd hate to lose these guys to make another coaching change. Perhaps a better solution would be to make some adjustments on his staff to add experienced knowledgeable assistants (and I know many would disagree with this position). Keener was given 4 years and Rowe is now in Year 3. Gives future coaches the knowledge that Administration is stable in supporting its coaches through difficult times.

GOAT HCLR virtually guaranteed a 4th year. It's all but a take it to the bank jar of pennies. 99%

VC reports Rowe has offered 2019 5'10" 148# point guard, Jalen Harper, out of the Atlanta area... https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jalen-harper

Seems like we are hitting the Mid-Atlantic, Ohio, Florida and the Atlanta area pretty hard under this staff. I like the strategy.

With all these offers going out of late to '19 class guys, this tells me we expect some attrition coming up with the current roster and/or a guy or two who may or may not be on scholarship right now won't be for sure if they stay with the program.

(01-08-2019 06:51 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  VC reports Rowe has offered 2019 5'10" 148# point guard, Jalen Harper, out of the Atlanta area... https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jalen-harper

Seems like we are hitting the Mid-Atlantic, Ohio, Florida and the Atlanta area pretty hard under this staff. I like the strategy.

With all these offers going out of late to '19 class guys, this tells me we expect some attrition coming up with the current roster and/or a guy or two who may or may not be on scholarship right now won't be for sure if they stay with the program.

Agreed. Nature of the beast.

148lbs? Sounds like a redshirt candidate already.

I wonder if lou is finally seeing that he needs really good PG play to compete in this league. Parker i think can be that guy, but we dont have another true PG behind him. Lewis and stuckey can be serviceable, but they are turning the ball over too much at that position

(01-08-2019 06:51 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  VC reports Rowe has offered 2019 5'10" 148# point guard, Jalen Harper, out of the Atlanta area... https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jalen-harper

Seems like we are hitting the Mid-Atlantic, Ohio, Florida and the Atlanta area pretty hard under this staff. I like the strategy.

With all these offers going out of late to '19 class guys, this tells me we expect some attrition coming up with the current roster and/or a guy or two who may or may not be on scholarship right now won't be for sure if they stay with the program.

That Harper kid has a brother currently a junior at Auburn. His name is Jared Harper and he is the starting PG. Was a similar sized kid out of high school and a 4 star recruit. Currently averaging 15 pts, 3 rebounds and 7 assists. Good genes.