(12-07-2017 12:27 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:57 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:54 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 04:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 03:29 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  UConn is between a rock and a hard place. As long as there is even a tiny sliver of hope for a P5 invite down the road, then it simply cannot leave the AAC. P5 membership is based on football and independence simply isn't realistically viable for a school like UConn.

Who says UConn football would have to go independent? They could be football-only in the AAC or basketball-only in the Big East.

No way would the AAC kick UConn football out. We already have the precedent of Wichita State being no football.

Yeah, I'm biased, I'd love to have UConn back in the Big East. But I also know that they have to put their football interests first. I think they could, and still play Big East hoops.

You're going to have to explain why the AAC would keep UConn in as a football only. I see no motivation for the AAC to hold onto that part.

What are the replacement options?

DING DING DING! Exactly. There are no decent replacement options.

The AAC would let UConn remain even if some members complained at first. They aren't going to kick out the only flagship state university in the conference (which also happens to be one of the top 20 public universities in America). They aren't going to ditch a school from a state that is 1/3 in the NYC television market. They also aren't going to lop off the whole northeastern part of the conference footprint north of Pennsylvania. It would be a pride move by the AAC to ditch UConn football, but it would be a stupid move.

If the AAC thinks that Hattiesburg MS or Huntington WV help more with TV eyeballs than by keeping UConn, then have at it. Only a fool would believe that, though. Oh, and before you say that UMass could just replace UConn, remember that UMass men's basketball is worse, UMass women's basketball isn't even close to as good, and even if you consider the football programs about equal, the UMass television market is worse. UMass is in the Springfield MA television market (not the Boston market, and Boston also doesn't really follow UMass sports as it is 100 miles away, they just watch pro sports). The closest airport to UMass is Bradley International Airport in Connecticut. Add it all up and keeping UConn as a football only beats adding UMass, Southern Miss, Marshall, or anyone else.

Keep dreaming that. UConn football in the last 6 years before even this year was #112 in winning percentage. 24-49. Add in the 3-9 season and last 7 yers it's been 27-58.

The AAC isn't going to do a damn thing to help UConn leave the conference in basketball. Why would they?

(12-07-2017 11:57 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:54 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 04:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 03:29 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  UConn is between a rock and a hard place. As long as there is even a tiny sliver of hope for a P5 invite down the road, then it simply cannot leave the AAC. P5 membership is based on football and independence simply isn't realistically viable for a school like UConn.

Who says UConn football would have to go independent? They could be football-only in the AAC or basketball-only in the Big East.

No way would the AAC kick UConn football out. We already have the precedent of Wichita State being no football.

Yeah, I'm biased, I'd love to have UConn back in the Big East. But I also know that they have to put their football interests first. I think they could, and still play Big East hoops.

You're going to have to explain why the AAC would keep UConn in as a football only. I see no motivation for the AAC to hold onto that part.

What are the replacement options?

What would I do? Replace UConn with Boise St and move Navy to the East.

Boise St would likely join now with the MWC exposure and ratings shrinking, and with the AAC beginning to separate some. The AAC definitely benefits more from Boise St joining.

(12-07-2017 11:54 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 04:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 03:29 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  UConn is between a rock and a hard place. As long as there is even a tiny sliver of hope for a P5 invite down the road, then it simply cannot leave the AAC. P5 membership is based on football and independence simply isn't realistically viable for a school like UConn.

Who says UConn football would have to go independent? They could be football-only in the AAC or basketball-only in the Big East.

No way would the AAC kick UConn football out. We already have the precedent of Wichita State being no football.

Yeah, I'm biased, I'd love to have UConn back in the Big East. But I also know that they have to put their football interests first. I think they could, and still play Big East hoops.

You're going to have to explain why the AAC would keep UConn in as a football only. I see no motivation for the AAC to hold onto that part.

Now, they suck really bad rn obviously..but back in the big east once edsall got them situated UConn was a solid team that usually made a bowl and competed for conference titles every once and a while. Now UConn has there old coach back. This team might not have had the best record but they really improved just cause of edsall coaching. I watched every games and believe me they got better.Once edsall gets his recruits back UConn should be a solid football team in like 2 or so years. I feel like the aac would at least think about keeping them for football. But probably not


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(12-07-2017 12:42 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:54 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 04:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 03:29 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  UConn is between a rock and a hard place. As long as there is even a tiny sliver of hope for a P5 invite down the road, then it simply cannot leave the AAC. P5 membership is based on football and independence simply isn't realistically viable for a school like UConn.

Who says UConn football would have to go independent? They could be football-only in the AAC or basketball-only in the Big East.

No way would the AAC kick UConn football out. We already have the precedent of Wichita State being no football.

Yeah, I'm biased, I'd love to have UConn back in the Big East. But I also know that they have to put their football interests first. I think they could, and still play Big East hoops.

You're going to have to explain why the AAC would keep UConn in as a football only. I see no motivation for the AAC to hold onto that part.

Now, they suck really bad rn obviously..but back in the big east once edsall got them situated UConn was a solid team that usually made a bowl and competed for conference titles every once and a while. Now UConn has there old coach back. This team might not have had the best record but they really improved just cause of edsall coaching. I watched every games and believe me they got better.Once edsall gets his recruits back UConn should be a solid football team in like 2 or so years. I feel like the aac would at least think about keeping them for football. But probably not


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I actually don't think it's nearly as much about them winning as it is about their program's location. Northeast football just isn't a thing people are interested in, in the region or nationally.

UConn's athletic department is very good and all their sports are well supported. You pull out everything but football and if I'm the AAC, I'm questioning what value UConn actually brings that makes it worth holding onto.

There ARE good replacement options. Even projecting conservatively, the next AAC contract figures to provide enough motivation for most schools to join. Ideally it would be BYU, but they won't join. Boise St is a very good option, especially with their basketball program doing well. SDSU or Colorado St are decent options as well.

(12-07-2017 12:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:27 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:57 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:54 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 04:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Who says UConn football would have to go independent? They could be football-only in the AAC or basketball-only in the Big East.

No way would the AAC kick UConn football out. We already have the precedent of Wichita State being no football.

Yeah, I'm biased, I'd love to have UConn back in the Big East. But I also know that they have to put their football interests first. I think they could, and still play Big East hoops.

You're going to have to explain why the AAC would keep UConn in as a football only. I see no motivation for the AAC to hold onto that part.

What are the replacement options?

DING DING DING! Exactly. There are no decent replacement options.

The AAC would let UConn remain even if some members complained at first. They aren't going to kick out the only flagship state university in the conference (which also happens to be one of the top 20 public universities in America). They aren't going to ditch a school from a state that is 1/3 in the NYC television market. They also aren't going to lop off the whole northeastern part of the conference footprint north of Pennsylvania. It would be a pride move by the AAC to ditch UConn football, but it would be a stupid move.

If the AAC thinks that Hattiesburg MS or Huntington WV help more with TV eyeballs than by keeping UConn, then have at it. Only a fool would believe that, though. Oh, and before you say that UMass could just replace UConn, remember that UMass men's basketball is worse, UMass women's basketball isn't even close to as good, and even if you consider the football programs about equal, the UMass television market is worse. UMass is in the Springfield MA television market (not the Boston market, and Boston also doesn't really follow UMass sports as it is 100 miles away, they just watch pro sports). The closest airport to UMass is Bradley International Airport in Connecticut. Add it all up and keeping UConn as a football only beats adding UMass, Southern Miss, Marshall, or anyone else.

Keep dreaming that. UConn football in the last 6 years before even this year was #112 in winning percentage. 24-49. Add in the 3-9 season and last 7 yers it's been 27-58.

The AAC isn't going to do a damn thing to help UConn leave the conference in basketball. Why would they?

I never said that UConn football was good. My point is that, even if football is bad, UConn still gets more TV eyeballs in football than any school that would be a realistic replacement option for the AAC when choosing another school from CUSA, the MAC, or the Sun Belt. So, unless the AAC can lure Boise from the MWC or BYU from independence, there are no better options for the AAC than letting UConn remain as a football only.

Your UConn hatred is high enough to blind your reasoning on this topic, buy my points are truth.

(12-07-2017 12:50 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:27 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:57 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:54 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  You're going to have to explain why the AAC would keep UConn in as a football only. I see no motivation for the AAC to hold onto that part.

What are the replacement options?

DING DING DING! Exactly. There are no decent replacement options.

The AAC would let UConn remain even if some members complained at first. They aren't going to kick out the only flagship state university in the conference (which also happens to be one of the top 20 public universities in America). They aren't going to ditch a school from a state that is 1/3 in the NYC television market. They also aren't going to lop off the whole northeastern part of the conference footprint north of Pennsylvania. It would be a pride move by the AAC to ditch UConn football, but it would be a stupid move.

If the AAC thinks that Hattiesburg MS or Huntington WV help more with TV eyeballs than by keeping UConn, then have at it. Only a fool would believe that, though. Oh, and before you say that UMass could just replace UConn, remember that UMass men's basketball is worse, UMass women's basketball isn't even close to as good, and even if you consider the football programs about equal, the UMass television market is worse. UMass is in the Springfield MA television market (not the Boston market, and Boston also doesn't really follow UMass sports as it is 100 miles away, they just watch pro sports). The closest airport to UMass is Bradley International Airport in Connecticut. Add it all up and keeping UConn as a football only beats adding UMass, Southern Miss, Marshall, or anyone else.

Keep dreaming that. UConn football in the last 6 years before even this year was #112 in winning percentage. 24-49. Add in the 3-9 season and last 7 yers it's been 27-58.

The AAC isn't going to do a damn thing to help UConn leave the conference in basketball. Why would they?

I never said that UConn football was good. My point is that, even if football is bad, UConn still gets more TV eyeballs in football than any school that would be a realistic replacement option for the AAC when choosing another school from CUSA, the MAC, or the Sun Belt. So, unless the AAC can lure Boise from the MWC or BYU from the Sun Belt, there are no better options for the AAC than letting UConn remain as a football only.

Your UConn hatred is high enough to blind your reasoning on this topic, buy my points are truth.

Man, are the Mormons going to be PO'd when they find this out

(12-07-2017 12:50 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I never said that UConn football was good. My point is that, even if football is bad, UConn still gets more TV eyeballs in football than any school that would be a realistic replacement option for the AAC when choosing another school from CUSA, the MAC, or the Sun Belt. So, unless the AAC can lure Boise from the MWC or BYU from independence, there are no better options for the AAC than letting UConn remain as a football only.

Your UConn hatred is high enough to blind your reasoning on this topic, buy my points are truth.

UConn football isn't just bad, it's dreadful.

Of the 17 teams behind UConn from 2011-16, 7 went bowling this year.

And my point is simple. The AAC isn't going to help UConn screw them. The AAC knows it's pretty close to impossible for them to go independent in football. So they're going to close off the option that would allow them the easiest path out for what truly matters, basketball. Which in turn will pretty much force UConn to remain for everything.

One thing that definitely won't happen is the AAC giving UConn an agreement to stay as an affiliate ahead of time, as they'd be out the door before the ink was dry on the agreement. Is it possible that , in the event UConn leaves anyway, the AAC doesn't find a full addition it likes and doubles back with short-term contract (like a 3- or 5- year one-shot contract) for UConn to kick the can down the road? Yea, maybe, but it's unlikely. Regardless, if UConn is going to move to the BE then they're going to have to do so being willing to separate entirely from the AAC (and, obviously, I'm okay with that).

(12-07-2017 12:54 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:50 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:27 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:57 AM)YNot Wrote:  What are the replacement options?

DING DING DING! Exactly. There are no decent replacement options.

The AAC would let UConn remain even if some members complained at first. They aren't going to kick out the only flagship state university in the conference (which also happens to be one of the top 20 public universities in America). They aren't going to ditch a school from a state that is 1/3 in the NYC television market. They also aren't going to lop off the whole northeastern part of the conference footprint north of Pennsylvania. It would be a pride move by the AAC to ditch UConn football, but it would be a stupid move.

If the AAC thinks that Hattiesburg MS or Huntington WV help more with TV eyeballs than by keeping UConn, then have at it. Only a fool would believe that, though. Oh, and before you say that UMass could just replace UConn, remember that UMass men's basketball is worse, UMass women's basketball isn't even close to as good, and even if you consider the football programs about equal, the UMass television market is worse. UMass is in the Springfield MA television market (not the Boston market, and Boston also doesn't really follow UMass sports as it is 100 miles away, they just watch pro sports). The closest airport to UMass is Bradley International Airport in Connecticut. Add it all up and keeping UConn as a football only beats adding UMass, Southern Miss, Marshall, or anyone else.

Keep dreaming that. UConn football in the last 6 years before even this year was #112 in winning percentage. 24-49. Add in the 3-9 season and last 7 yers it's been 27-58.

The AAC isn't going to do a damn thing to help UConn leave the conference in basketball. Why would they?

I never said that UConn football was good. My point is that, even if football is bad, UConn still gets more TV eyeballs in football than any school that would be a realistic replacement option for the AAC when choosing another school from CUSA, the MAC, or the Sun Belt. So, unless the AAC can lure Boise from the MWC or BYU from the Sun Belt, there are no better options for the AAC than letting UConn remain as a football only.

Your UConn hatred is high enough to blind your reasoning on this topic, buy my points are truth.

Man, are the Mormons going to be PO'd when they find this out

Haha. Yeah, I noticed that I goofed on that and edited immediately, but you must have caught it quickly.

(12-07-2017 12:58 PM)Bogg Wrote:  One thing that definitely won't happen is the AAC giving UConn an agreement to stay as an affiliate ahead of time, as they'd be out the door before the ink was dry on the agreement. Is it possible that , in the event UConn leaves anyway, the AAC doesn't find a full addition it likes and doubles back with short-term contract (like a 3- or 5- year one-shot contract) for UConn to kick the can down the road? Yea, maybe, but it's unlikely. Regardless, if UConn is going to move to the BE then they're going to have to do so being willing to separate entirely from the AAC (and, obviously, I'm okay with that).

exactly. very well put. UConn has to plan for having something outside of the AAC for their football to be able to do the basketball move. The AAC isn't going to make it easy for them to do that.

(12-07-2017 12:58 PM)Bogg Wrote:  One thing that definitely won't happen is the AAC giving UConn an agreement to stay as an affiliate ahead of time, as they'd be out the door before the ink was dry on the agreement. Is it possible that , in the event UConn leaves anyway, the AAC doesn't find a full addition it likes and doubles back with short-term contract (like a 3- or 5- year one-shot contract) for UConn to kick the can down the road? Yea, maybe, but it's unlikely. Regardless, if UConn is going to move to the BE then they're going to have to do so being willing to separate entirely from the AAC (and, obviously, I'm okay with that).

Agreed. What people are missing is that if the AAC doesn't get a pay increase on the TV contract this time or if it only gets one that matches what the Big East gets for basketball only, there is no risk to UConn waiting until 2023 to see if the ACC or B1G pan out and, if they don't, then move basketball to the Big East and football to independence. They would get more in TV money (even if the Indy deal was terrible) and have less travel cost by doing it that way.

Husky makes a great point. The AAC contract negotiations with ESPN are coming up. First UConn needs to see how those go. A bump in pay there may rectify some of the issues.

I do think UMass and UConn could work out some form of scheduling arrangement with some MAC, CUSA, or Sunbelt schools in exchange for some basketball games.

NMSU and BYU are also looking for November games, so those 4 could work together to provide each other 3 consistent November games.

I don't have a dog in this fight. But if UConn goes to the Big East, they can use basketball as leverage to get some football games. I'm sure schools like Temple, Navy and Cincinnati would sign a deal with UConn if they can get some basketball games. UConn is the biggest brand in basketball outside the P5 + Big East and I can think of multiple G5 schools who will sign with the Huskies for basketball purposes.

Also: For what it's worth, if UConn did leave my guess is that the AAC adds Old Dominion, who would consolidate the geography of the conference a little without upsetting the East/West split, leaving Temple a drivable-ish road game for fans, and giving ECU an easy geographic rival.

For the record, I don't think that UConn will get an invite from the ACC or Big Ten in 2023, but I also don't think that they will join the Big East.

I would guess that one of two things happens by then or around then. The first is that the AAC ends up getting more TV money than the Big East and that AAC basketball also manages to become a top five or six basketball league annually (edging out the PAC 12 and one other P5 league). We are already close to that happening this year and the season is not yet done: https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sa...onference/

The second is that the Big 12 loses Texas, Oklahoma, and two other schools to other P5 leagues and that UConn joins the leftovers of that league along with some other AAC schools (which would still be a good league with the remnants, although not a "power" league either).

As a fan, I can't control where UConn lands as the TV landscape in 2023 is a complete unknown. I will still support the school in whichever conference it resides.

(12-07-2017 01:37 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I don't have a dog in this fight. But if UConn goes to the Big East, they can use basketball as leverage to get some football games. I'm sure schools like Temple, Navy and Cincinnati would sign a deal with UConn if they can get some basketball games. UConn is the biggest brand in basketball outside the P5 + Big East and I can think of multiple G5 schools who will sign with the Huskies for basketball purposes.

the problem with that is that there would only be so many games available. UConn would have presumably then 20 conference games, a 4 game exempt tournament, and the Gavitt games. That's right there 25 games, with at most only 13 home dates. So UConn would have only like 6 slots left to play with at that point.

(12-07-2017 01:56 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  For the record, I don't think that UConn will get an invite from the ACC or Big Ten in 2023, but I also don't think that they will join the Big East.

I would guess that one of two things happens by then or around then. The first is that the AAC ends up getting more TV money than the Big East and that AAC basketball also manages to become a top five or six basketball league annually (edging out the PAC 12 and one other P5 league). We are already close to that happening this year and the season is not yet done: https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sa...onference/

The second is that the Big 12 loses Texas, Oklahoma, and two other schools to other P5 leagues and that UConn joins the leftovers of that league along with some other AAC schools (which would still be a good league with the remnants, although not a "power" league either).

As a fan, I can't control where UConn lands as the TV landscape in 2023 is a complete unknown. I will still support the school in whichever conference it resides.

I think the odds are good that it'll be more than just 4. Bare Minimum I think it's Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, and Texas Tech. And I think Kansas goes somewhere probably.

(12-07-2017 12:54 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:50 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:27 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:57 AM)YNot Wrote:  What are the replacement options?

DING DING DING! Exactly. There are no decent replacement options.

The AAC would let UConn remain even if some members complained at first. They aren't going to kick out the only flagship state university in the conference (which also happens to be one of the top 20 public universities in America). They aren't going to ditch a school from a state that is 1/3 in the NYC television market. They also aren't going to lop off the whole northeastern part of the conference footprint north of Pennsylvania. It would be a pride move by the AAC to ditch UConn football, but it would be a stupid move.

If the AAC thinks that Hattiesburg MS or Huntington WV help more with TV eyeballs than by keeping UConn, then have at it. Only a fool would believe that, though. Oh, and before you say that UMass could just replace UConn, remember that UMass men's basketball is worse, UMass women's basketball isn't even close to as good, and even if you consider the football programs about equal, the UMass television market is worse. UMass is in the Springfield MA television market (not the Boston market, and Boston also doesn't really follow UMass sports as it is 100 miles away, they just watch pro sports). The closest airport to UMass is Bradley International Airport in Connecticut. Add it all up and keeping UConn as a football only beats adding UMass, Southern Miss, Marshall, or anyone else.

Keep dreaming that. UConn football in the last 6 years before even this year was #112 in winning percentage. 24-49. Add in the 3-9 season and last 7 yers it's been 27-58.

The AAC isn't going to do a damn thing to help UConn leave the conference in basketball. Why would they?

I never said that UConn football was good. My point is that, even if football is bad, UConn still gets more TV eyeballs in football than any school that would be a realistic replacement option for the AAC when choosing another school from CUSA, the MAC, or the Sun Belt. So, unless the AAC can lure Boise from the MWC or BYU from the Sun Belt, there are no better options for the AAC than letting UConn remain as a football only.

Your UConn hatred is high enough to blind your reasoning on this topic, buy my points are truth.

Man, are the Mormons going to be PO'd when they find this out

FWIW, Independence feels like the Sun Belt this year.

(12-07-2017 01:59 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:37 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I don't have a dog in this fight. But if UConn goes to the Big East, they can use basketball as leverage to get some football games. I'm sure schools like Temple, Navy and Cincinnati would sign a deal with UConn if they can get some basketball games. UConn is the biggest brand in basketball outside the P5 + Big East and I can think of multiple G5 schools who will sign with the Huskies for basketball purposes.

the problem with that is that there would only be so many games available. UConn would have presumably then 20 conference games, a 4 game exempt tournament, and the Gavitt games. That's right there 25 games, with at most only 13 home dates. So UConn would have only like 6 slots left to play with at that point.

6 slots are all you really need if you're only looking to fill like 3-4 football games. Teams like Wake, Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Rutgers, Kansas, Arizona, and the like would all make excellent multi-sport partners, as well as Cincy, Temple, SMU, and others. There are plenty of opportunities there.

(12-07-2017 02:10 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:59 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:37 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I don't have a dog in this fight. But if UConn goes to the Big East, they can use basketball as leverage to get some football games. I'm sure schools like Temple, Navy and Cincinnati would sign a deal with UConn if they can get some basketball games. UConn is the biggest brand in basketball outside the P5 + Big East and I can think of multiple G5 schools who will sign with the Huskies for basketball purposes.

the problem with that is that there would only be so many games available. UConn would have presumably then 20 conference games, a 4 game exempt tournament, and the Gavitt games. That's right there 25 games, with at most only 13 home dates. So UConn would have only like 6 slots left to play with at that point.

6 slots are all you really need if you're only looking to fill like 3-4 football games. Teams like Wake, Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Rutgers, Kansas, Arizona, and the like would all make excellent multi-sport partners, as well as Cincy, Temple, SMU, and others. There are plenty of opportunities there.

But some of those 6 games are buy type basketball games that every team has. Also, all of those have conference play in October and November for football.

going indy will be extremely difficult.