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(01-08-2018 02:17 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Though it would be ideal, if the current structure is in dire straights as some suggest, doing one side at a time isn't really possible.

I agree if this is true, but this is part of the lack of transparency that many are angry about. If there were critical issues, the school wouldn't allow anyone to sit there which makes me think that it may be less severe. I guess what we would need to know is what is the remaining lifespan of this structure? Could it support an additional 10 years? I also think that if the school had really thought this out, they would have tried to incorporate the alumni center and presidential admin offices into the visitor side structure. This would leave both sets of offices very close to their current location while allowing us to use other funding (student fees) in the replacement cost.

(01-08-2018 02:17 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Though it would be ideal, if the current structure is in dire straights as some suggest, doing one side at a time isn't really possible.

Yup, time as come and it has to go. I have no idea if one year would be critical put if we blow all the funding we have on one side I would assume it would be many years before we could do the other side. From what I have been told we cannot wait "years" to do either side. Both sides are starting to fall apart, actually pieces falling, which is why they keep it locked off now out of season.

(01-08-2018 01:42 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 10:49 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  I was looking at some other stadiums yesterday just for fun.

South Dakota State's Dana J. Dykehouse Stadium is pretty much our phase 1 and nearly at the budget planned for. Had they not spent so much time on studying the "water front" nonsense, it would be done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_J._Dykhouse_Stadium

Broke Ground 2014
Opened 2016
Cost: $65 Million
Seats: 19,340

It is pretty much like ours if you take away the nice scoreboard, the endzone seats, the press box, and the suites.

That's like saying I was only six numbers off from winning the lottery s/

Blow up both sides and build the home side to seat 15K with luxury boxes etc. a year later or year and half later build the other side.

I'm so afraid of doing one side at a time and ending up with a one-sided thing like JMU.

(01-08-2018 04:07 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  I'm so afraid of doing one side at a time and ending up with a one-sided thing like JMU.

With 25K? Hate to say it, but at this point, I'll take it.

How about this for ODU? Maybe $3 sted $6

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) — North Carolina is launching a roughly $6 million project to replace bleachers with individual seats throughout much of Kenan Stadium, reducing its capacity by about 20 percent.

The school announced the plan Monday. The 22-inch seats with arm rests will replace bleachers in upper and lower levels except for student sections. UNC will add a facility improvement fee of $6 to each ticket to pay for the change and other future improvements to Kenan, the Tar Heels' on-campus home since 1927.

The school had replaced two bleacher sections with blue seats last year as a trial run and said fan feedback was "overwhelmingly positive."

The change will reduce Kenan Stadium's capacity from 63,000 to about 51,000. The school averaged about 50,100 in reported attendance for seven home games in 2017.

(01-08-2018 03:01 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 01:42 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 10:49 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  I was looking at some other stadiums yesterday just for fun.

South Dakota State's Dana J. Dykehouse Stadium is pretty much our phase 1 and nearly at the budget planned for. Had they not spent so much time on studying the "water front" nonsense, it would be done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_J._Dykhouse_Stadium

Broke Ground 2014
Opened 2016
Cost: $65 Million
Seats: 19,340

It is pretty much like ours if you take away the nice scoreboard, the endzone seats, the press box, and the suites.

That's like saying I was only six numbers off from winning the lottery s/

I’d be thrilled with a stadium like that. Only problem is that’s much nicer than what is being described now.

(01-08-2018 05:00 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  How about this for ODU? Maybe $3 sted $6

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) — North Carolina is launching a roughly $6 million project to replace bleachers with individual seats throughout much of Kenan Stadium, reducing its capacity by about 20 percent.

The school announced the plan Monday. The 22-inch seats with arm rests will replace bleachers in upper and lower levels except for student sections. UNC will add a facility improvement fee of $6 to each ticket to pay for the change and other future improvements to Kenan, the Tar Heels' on-campus home since 1927.

The school had replaced two bleacher sections with blue seats last year as a trial run and said fan feedback was "overwhelmingly positive."

The change will reduce Kenan Stadium's capacity from 63,000 to about 51,000. The school averaged about 50,100 in reported attendance for seven home games in 2017.

I like the idea of paying more for something if I know what it is, also I dont mind donating more if I know what exactly it is going towards. This is a concept that ODU doesnt seem to grasp. If ODAF had a capital campaign for only the stadium, I think ODU fans would pretty quickly raise a good chunk of money. But ODU and ODAF want to control what the money goes towards. The fans however will put money towards something they really want.

(01-08-2018 02:24 PM)VBMonarch11 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 02:17 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Though it would be ideal, if the current structure is in dire straights as some suggest, doing one side at a time isn't really possible.

I agree if this is true, but this is part of the lack of transparency that many are angry about. If there were critical issues, the school wouldn't allow anyone to sit there which makes me think that it may be less severe. I guess what we would need to know is what is the remaining lifespan of this structure? Could it support an additional 10 years? I also think that if the school had really thought this out, they would have tried to incorporate the alumni center and presidential admin offices into the visitor side structure. This would leave both sets of offices very close to their current location while allowing us to use other funding (student fees) in the replacement cost.

They believe it is critical. Spoke to someone involved in the decision making process, suggested banking the money until they can afford something better and was told that is not an option due to the structural condition of the current clam shells. I suppose it is possible that they are being sold a bill of goods or using that as an excuse, but I don't believe the person who told me that would have said it if they didn't believe it was true.

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(01-08-2018 05:19 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:00 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  How about this for ODU? Maybe $3 sted $6

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) — North Carolina is launching a roughly $6 million project to replace bleachers with individual seats throughout much of Kenan Stadium, reducing its capacity by about 20 percent.

The school announced the plan Monday. The 22-inch seats with arm rests will replace bleachers in upper and lower levels except for student sections. UNC will add a facility improvement fee of $6 to each ticket to pay for the change and other future improvements to Kenan, the Tar Heels' on-campus home since 1927.

The school had replaced two bleacher sections with blue seats last year as a trial run and said fan feedback was "overwhelmingly positive."

The change will reduce Kenan Stadium's capacity from 63,000 to about 51,000. The school averaged about 50,100 in reported attendance for seven home games in 2017.

I like the idea of paying more for something if I know what it is, also I dont mind donating more if I know what exactly it is going towards. This is a concept that ODU doesnt seem to grasp. If ODAF had a capital campaign for only the stadium, I think ODU fans would pretty quickly raise a good chunk of money. But ODU and ODAF want to control what the money goes towards. The fans however will put money towards something they really want.

+1. They should have reached out a year or two ago. All we can hope is that they are planning for a $60-70million stadium at the same time they are planning the $55 million version. That way if the money comes in once they get around to raising funds specifically for it, that money can be used in phase 1. If they botch this, so many people are going to be disgruntled it would almost certainly have ramifications toward raising money for phase 2, which they should actually be raising money for now.

I would love to see some sort of chart that shows what we can build for $55 million, $60 million, $65 million & $70 million. Then show a running tally of how much money we have at the current time. Let the supporters know how much we need to give and to what end. People might get excited if we started at $55 million, and then quickly got up to say $59 million. And if the next stage of stadium quality happens at $60 million, I feel confident Monarch Nation would step up and push it over the hump at each level.

(01-08-2018 07:07 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:19 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:00 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  How about this for ODU? Maybe $3 sted $6

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) — North Carolina is launching a roughly $6 million project to replace bleachers with individual seats throughout much of Kenan Stadium, reducing its capacity by about 20 percent.

The school announced the plan Monday. The 22-inch seats with arm rests will replace bleachers in upper and lower levels except for student sections. UNC will add a facility improvement fee of $6 to each ticket to pay for the change and other future improvements to Kenan, the Tar Heels' on-campus home since 1927.

The school had replaced two bleacher sections with blue seats last year as a trial run and said fan feedback was "overwhelmingly positive."

The change will reduce Kenan Stadium's capacity from 63,000 to about 51,000. The school averaged about 50,100 in reported attendance for seven home games in 2017.

I like the idea of paying more for something if I know what it is, also I dont mind donating more if I know what exactly it is going towards. This is a concept that ODU doesnt seem to grasp. If ODAF had a capital campaign for only the stadium, I think ODU fans would pretty quickly raise a good chunk of money. But ODU and ODAF want to control what the money goes towards. The fans however will put money towards something they really want.

+1. They should have reached out a year or two ago. All we can hope is that they are planning for a $60-70million stadium at the same time they are planning the $55 million version. That way if the money comes in once they get around to raising funds specifically for it, that money can be used in phase 1. If they botch this, so many people are going to be disgruntled it would almost certainly have ramifications toward raising money for phase 2, which they should actually be raising money for now.

I would love to see some sort of chart that shows what we can build for $55 million, $60 million, $65 million & $70 million. Then show a running tally of how much money we have at the current time. Let the supporters know how much we need to give and to what end. People might get excited if we started at $55 million, and then quickly got up to say $59 million. And if the next stage of stadium quality happens at $60 million, I feel confident Monarch Nation would step up and push it over the hump at each level.

You’re exactly right. It’s no different from Fitbit challenges or any other visual representation of where you stand in visible representation of a goal. A tangible goal. It’s tough to get excited about a secret with no finish line.


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(01-08-2018 05:07 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 03:01 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 01:42 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 10:49 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  I was looking at some other stadiums yesterday just for fun.

South Dakota State's Dana J. Dykehouse Stadium is pretty much our phase 1 and nearly at the budget planned for. Had they not spent so much time on studying the "water front" nonsense, it would be done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_J._Dykhouse_Stadium

Broke Ground 2014
Opened 2016
Cost: $65 Million
Seats: 19,340

It is pretty much like ours if you take away the nice scoreboard, the endzone seats, the press box, and the suites.

That's like saying I was only six numbers off from winning the lottery s/

I’d be thrilled with a stadium like that. Only problem is that’s much nicer than what is being described now.

True, but I think it is pretty damn close to the $55 Million plan that the school chose from the stadium design. Seeing that they are so similar but this one is already done,.. not sure how ODU's version was to be $10 Million less for pretty much the same building.

(01-08-2018 07:07 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:19 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:00 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  How about this for ODU? Maybe $3 sted $6

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) — North Carolina is launching a roughly $6 million project to replace bleachers with individual seats throughout much of Kenan Stadium, reducing its capacity by about 20 percent.

The school announced the plan Monday. The 22-inch seats with arm rests will replace bleachers in upper and lower levels except for student sections. UNC will add a facility improvement fee of $6 to each ticket to pay for the change and other future improvements to Kenan, the Tar Heels' on-campus home since 1927.

The school had replaced two bleacher sections with blue seats last year as a trial run and said fan feedback was "overwhelmingly positive."

The change will reduce Kenan Stadium's capacity from 63,000 to about 51,000. The school averaged about 50,100 in reported attendance for seven home games in 2017.

I like the idea of paying more for something if I know what it is, also I dont mind donating more if I know what exactly it is going towards. This is a concept that ODU doesnt seem to grasp. If ODAF had a capital campaign for only the stadium, I think ODU fans would pretty quickly raise a good chunk of money. But ODU and ODAF want to control what the money goes towards. The fans however will put money towards something they really want.

+1. They should have reached out a year or two ago. All we can hope is that they are planning for a $60-70million stadium at the same time they are planning the $55 million version. That way if the money comes in once they get around to raising funds specifically for it, that money can be used in phase 1. If they botch this, so many people are going to be disgruntled it would almost certainly have ramifications toward raising money for phase 2, which they should actually be raising money for now.

I would love to see some sort of chart that shows what we can build for $55 million, $60 million, $65 million & $70 million. Then show a running tally of how much money we have at the current time. Let the supporters know how much we need to give and to what end. People might get excited if we started at $55 million, and then quickly got up to say $59 million. And if the next stage of stadium quality happens at $60 million, I feel confident Monarch Nation would step up and push it over the hump at each level.

This is really smart.

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(01-08-2018 08:00 PM)Big Bluezilla Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:07 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:19 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:00 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  How about this for ODU? Maybe $3 sted $6

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) — North Carolina is launching a roughly $6 million project to replace bleachers with individual seats throughout much of Kenan Stadium, reducing its capacity by about 20 percent.

The school announced the plan Monday. The 22-inch seats with arm rests will replace bleachers in upper and lower levels except for student sections. UNC will add a facility improvement fee of $6 to each ticket to pay for the change and other future improvements to Kenan, the Tar Heels' on-campus home since 1927.

The school had replaced two bleacher sections with blue seats last year as a trial run and said fan feedback was "overwhelmingly positive."

The change will reduce Kenan Stadium's capacity from 63,000 to about 51,000. The school averaged about 50,100 in reported attendance for seven home games in 2017.

I like the idea of paying more for something if I know what it is, also I dont mind donating more if I know what exactly it is going towards. This is a concept that ODU doesnt seem to grasp. If ODAF had a capital campaign for only the stadium, I think ODU fans would pretty quickly raise a good chunk of money. But ODU and ODAF want to control what the money goes towards. The fans however will put money towards something they really want.

+1. They should have reached out a year or two ago. All we can hope is that they are planning for a $60-70million stadium at the same time they are planning the $55 million version. That way if the money comes in once they get around to raising funds specifically for it, that money can be used in phase 1. If they botch this, so many people are going to be disgruntled it would almost certainly have ramifications toward raising money for phase 2, which they should actually be raising money for now.

I would love to see some sort of chart that shows what we can build for $55 million, $60 million, $65 million & $70 million. Then show a running tally of how much money we have at the current time. Let the supporters know how much we need to give and to what end. People might get excited if we started at $55 million, and then quickly got up to say $59 million. And if the next stage of stadium quality happens at $60 million, I feel confident Monarch Nation would step up and push it over the hump at each level.

You’re exactly right. It’s no different from Fitbit challenges or any other visual representation of where you stand in visible representation of a goal. A tangible goal. It’s tough to get excited about a secret with no finish line.


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Wouldn't doing something like this lead to making it more expensive overall? If construction is underway, plans have been drawn, materials ordered etc... all of a sudden adding a $5 Million addition would cause possible re-work (cladding or other finishing materials bring removed after installation), last minute ordering of steel beams, brick etc... $ for permit changes etc....

(01-08-2018 08:51 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 08:00 PM)Big Bluezilla Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:07 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:19 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 05:00 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  How about this for ODU? Maybe $3 sted $6

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) — North Carolina is launching a roughly $6 million project to replace bleachers with individual seats throughout much of Kenan Stadium, reducing its capacity by about 20 percent.

The school announced the plan Monday. The 22-inch seats with arm rests will replace bleachers in upper and lower levels except for student sections. UNC will add a facility improvement fee of $6 to each ticket to pay for the change and other future improvements to Kenan, the Tar Heels' on-campus home since 1927.

The school had replaced two bleacher sections with blue seats last year as a trial run and said fan feedback was "overwhelmingly positive."

The change will reduce Kenan Stadium's capacity from 63,000 to about 51,000. The school averaged about 50,100 in reported attendance for seven home games in 2017.

I like the idea of paying more for something if I know what it is, also I dont mind donating more if I know what exactly it is going towards. This is a concept that ODU doesnt seem to grasp. If ODAF had a capital campaign for only the stadium, I think ODU fans would pretty quickly raise a good chunk of money. But ODU and ODAF want to control what the money goes towards. The fans however will put money towards something they really want.

+1. They should have reached out a year or two ago. All we can hope is that they are planning for a $60-70million stadium at the same time they are planning the $55 million version. That way if the money comes in once they get around to raising funds specifically for it, that money can be used in phase 1. If they botch this, so many people are going to be disgruntled it would almost certainly have ramifications toward raising money for phase 2, which they should actually be raising money for now.

I would love to see some sort of chart that shows what we can build for $55 million, $60 million, $65 million & $70 million. Then show a running tally of how much money we have at the current time. Let the supporters know how much we need to give and to what end. People might get excited if we started at $55 million, and then quickly got up to say $59 million. And if the next stage of stadium quality happens at $60 million, I feel confident Monarch Nation would step up and push it over the hump at each level.

You’re exactly right. It’s no different from Fitbit challenges or any other visual representation of where you stand in visible representation of a goal. A tangible goal. It’s tough to get excited about a secret with no finish line.


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Wouldn't doing something like this lead to making it more expensive overall? If construction is underway, plans have been drawn, materials ordered etc... all of a sudden adding a $5 Million addition would cause possible re-work (cladding or other finishing materials bring removed after installation), last minute ordering of steel beams, brick etc... $ for permit changes etc....

It could, which is another reason why starting so small and underwhelming is a bad idea. It would be cheaper in the long run to build as much as possible the first time, rather than doing some type of stop gap, and almost immediately have to start the process of upgrading. Even if it means waiting another year. Hopefully they are doing multiple plans now, but yes, I would think the plan would have to be firm before breaking ground. Which means if they started now, we'd have about 8 months to reach some financial milestones. The clock is ticking... but there seems to be no sense of urgency.

Check out the stadium at Alabama State U. It's another beautiful FCS stadium. Cost $62 million in 2011.

(01-08-2018 10:53 PM)monarx Wrote:  Check out the stadium at Alabama State U. It's another beautiful FCS stadium. Cost $62 million in 2011.

Everything was cheap in the recession. The unemployment rate in Virginia is 3.6% today. How much has the cost of labor increased?

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I think he is pointing out something similar to me with referencing South Dakota State's stadium.
How in the world was phase one supposed to be $55Million?

(01-09-2018 10:21 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  I think he is pointing out something similar to me with referencing South Dakota State's stadium.
How in the world was phase one supposed to be $55Million?

That's just the max they can spend without impacting student fees. They need to get that capital campaign rolling in overdrive.