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(12-07-2017 04:04 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 02:47 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  What has happened to Xavier Green? He looked so good and promising at the beginning and now he seems lost offensively. Looks like he has lost all confidence in his shooting. Coaches need to get him back on track, maybe like they did in Charleston with Haynes.

My pet theory is this is what JJ does to good offensive players. He gets in their heads so much about Defense they lose their touch. I saw Greene pass up a wide open 3 last night.

My pet theory is that Green didn't want to shoot the open shot because his first jump shot missed by about 6 feet. It's nice to blame the coach and all, but sometimes, the player is in his own head.

(12-07-2017 04:04 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 02:47 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  What has happened to Xavier Green? He looked so good and promising at the beginning and now he seems lost offensively. Looks like he has lost all confidence in his shooting. Coaches need to get him back on track, maybe like they did in Charleston with Haynes.

My pet theory is this is what JJ does to good offensive players. He gets in their heads so much about Defense they lose their touch. I saw Greene pass up a wide open 3 last night.

Was this before or after he clanked the 3 off the side of the backboard?

(12-07-2017 04:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:04 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 02:47 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  What has happened to Xavier Green? He looked so good and promising at the beginning and now he seems lost offensively. Looks like he has lost all confidence in his shooting. Coaches need to get him back on track, maybe like they did in Charleston with Haynes.

My pet theory is this is what JJ does to good offensive players. He gets in their heads so much about Defense they lose their touch. I saw Greene pass up a wide open 3 last night.

Was this before or after he clanked the 3 off the side of the backboard?

Shooters shoot. Unless they are afraid of getting yanked. If he missed a shot badly and then passed on taking the next, he's not the player we need.
BJ mailed an air ball at the half. Didn't stop him any.

(12-07-2017 04:38 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Shooters shoot. Unless they are afraid of getting yanked. If he missed a shot badly and then passed on taking the next, he's not the player we need.

Or maybe Green is just a freshman who has to figure out that Jones will not pull him for missing good shots.

You think??

(12-07-2017 04:10 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:04 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 02:47 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  What has happened to Xavier Green? He looked so good and promising at the beginning and now he seems lost offensively. Looks like he has lost all confidence in his shooting. Coaches need to get him back on track, maybe like they did in Charleston with Haynes.

My pet theory is this is what JJ does to good offensive players. He gets in their heads so much about Defense they lose their touch. I saw Greene pass up a wide open 3 last night.

My pet theory is that Green didn't want to shoot the open shot because his first jump shot missed by about 6 feet. It's nice to blame the coach and all, but sometimes, the player is in his own head.

Yes

(12-07-2017 04:40 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:38 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Shooters shoot. Unless they are afraid of getting yanked. If he missed a shot badly and then passed on taking the next, he's not the player we need.

Or maybe Green is just a freshman who has to figure out that Jones will not pull him for missing good shots.

and Yes

Cmon man, it's gotta Jones getting into his head telling him his defense will be better if he's a bad shooter.

You guys are arguing about the cause of one passed up shot. His shooting in general has been off. Why? He's already demonstrated the ability to shoot.

(12-07-2017 04:10 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:04 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 02:47 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  What has happened to Xavier Green? He looked so good and promising at the beginning and now he seems lost offensively. Looks like he has lost all confidence in his shooting. Coaches need to get him back on track, maybe like they did in Charleston with Haynes.

My pet theory is this is what JJ does to good offensive players. He gets in their heads so much about Defense they lose their touch. I saw Greene pass up a wide open 3 last night.

My pet theory is that Green didn't want to shoot the open shot because his first jump shot missed by about 6 feet. It's nice to blame the coach and all, but sometimes, the player is in his own head.

We see this kind of loss of confidence with players who are young or new to the program often. I don't think its a coincidence.

To explain it in an impartial way, I would say that JJ demands that players adhere to his offensive vision. I think that includes very high standards of what is considered a good shot, and very regimented ways of operating within the confines of the offense. In the process of getting players to perform the way JJ expects them to, they start thinking too much and lose confidence before things finally click for them. I think Haynes is a great example. Last year he was lost on the offensive end and JJ let him know it and parked him on the bench when he failed. This year he gets it, JJ has given him more freedom, and now he is playing in a more free flowing natural way, which in turn gives him more confidence.

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(12-07-2017 04:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Cmon man, it's gotta Jones getting into his head telling him his defense will be better if he's a bad shooter.

Do you seriously believe that coaches have no effect on the confidence of their players? Or that confidence has no effect on performance? I know there isn't a player confidence metric that you can look up, but you must understand that there is a psychology element to performance. You can argue that JJ's style and system are not a problem in that regard, but you cannot deny that psychology matters.

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(12-07-2017 06:31 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Cmon man, it's gotta Jones getting into his head telling him his defense will be better if he's a bad shooter.

Do you seriously believe that coaches have no effect on the confidence of their players? Or that confidence has no effect on performance? I know there isn't a player confidence metric that you can look up, but you must understand that there is a psychology element to performance. You can argue that JJ's style and system are not a problem in that regard, but you cannot deny that psychology matters.

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Then Fields and Haynes should be great shooters because they fire at will?

Or how about that green is a freahman and will go through ups and downs (hell, all players do). This thought that Green was a great shooter that all of a sudden cant shoot because JJs offensive system is really dumb and just an excuse to blame Jones for things.

(12-07-2017 07:03 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 06:31 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Cmon man, it's gotta Jones getting into his head telling him his defense will be better if he's a bad shooter.

Do you seriously believe that coaches have no effect on the confidence of their players? Or that confidence has no effect on performance? I know there isn't a player confidence metric that you can look up, but you must understand that there is a psychology element to performance. You can argue that JJ's style and system are not a problem in that regard, but you cannot deny that psychology matters.

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Then Fields and Haynes should be great shooters because they fire at will?

Or how about that green is a freahman and will go through ups and downs (hell, all players do). This thought that Green was a great shooter that all of a sudden cant shoot because JJs offensive system is really dumb and just an excuse to blame Jones for things.

You conveniently avoided my question.

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(12-07-2017 07:03 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 06:31 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Cmon man, it's gotta Jones getting into his head telling him his defense will be better if he's a bad shooter.

Do you seriously believe that coaches have no effect on the confidence of their players? Or that confidence has no effect on performance? I know there isn't a player confidence metric that you can look up, but you must understand that there is a psychology element to performance. You can argue that JJ's style and system are not a problem in that regard, but you cannot deny that psychology matters.

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Then Fields and Haynes should be great shooters because they fire at will?

Or how about that green is a freahman and will go through ups and downs (hell, all players do). This thought that Green was a great shooter that all of a sudden cant shoot because JJs offensive system is really dumb and just an excuse to blame Jones for things.

Right now Green's defense is more disturbing than his lack of offense. You can let up some on scoring but in my book you gotta play good defense.

(12-07-2017 07:46 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 07:03 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 06:31 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Cmon man, it's gotta Jones getting into his head telling him his defense will be better if he's a bad shooter.

Do you seriously believe that coaches have no effect on the confidence of their players? Or that confidence has no effect on performance? I know there isn't a player confidence metric that you can look up, but you must understand that there is a psychology element to performance. You can argue that JJ's style and system are not a problem in that regard, but you cannot deny that psychology matters.

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Then Fields and Haynes should be great shooters because they fire at will?

Or how about that green is a freahman and will go through ups and downs (hell, all players do). This thought that Green was a great shooter that all of a sudden cant shoot because JJs offensive system is really dumb and just an excuse to blame Jones for things.

You conveniently avoided my question.

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Do coaches help or hurt players confidence was the question? Its possible. Would we be able to know if there were? No.

(12-07-2017 07:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 07:46 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 07:03 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 06:31 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Cmon man, it's gotta Jones getting into his head telling him his defense will be better if he's a bad shooter.

Do you seriously believe that coaches have no effect on the confidence of their players? Or that confidence has no effect on performance? I know there isn't a player confidence metric that you can look up, but you must understand that there is a psychology element to performance. You can argue that JJ's style and system are not a problem in that regard, but you cannot deny that psychology matters.

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Then Fields and Haynes should be great shooters because they fire at will?

Or how about that green is a freahman and will go through ups and downs (hell, all players do). This thought that Green was a great shooter that all of a sudden cant shoot because JJs offensive system is really dumb and just an excuse to blame Jones for things.

You conveniently avoided my question.

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Do coaches help or hurt players confidence was the question? Its possible. Would we be able to know if there were? No.

The questions were:
Does psychology affect performance?
Do coaches affect psychology?

As I said, you can argue whether or not you think JJ has a negative effect on the confidence of some players. I obviously think he does, but I'm not there watching everyday either, so there is room for me to be wrong. I laid out my opinion on how his style affects confidence. If you are interested in making an argument that opposes mine I think that would be interesting to read, but just laughing off the idea altogether, as though a coach plays no role in a player's confidence, is a completely unfounded position.

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(12-06-2017 09:15 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  Fire Coach Mooney!! Oh wait.

Still laughing at this - reading this thread and all our Bipolar fans is hilarious

(12-06-2017 09:59 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 09:50 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I think this year is a real anomaly for Mooney. He's had a ton of 20+ winning seasons at Richmond. I doubt he's going anywhere.

He makes $1.2 million and hasn’t been to the tourney since his Sweet 16 run in 2011.

Good God, how does this man have a job? 7 years with no NCAA Tournament? I thought it was written in stone that you must go at least every 4 years or be fired? I read that....somewhere. He is even in a multi bid league.

(12-07-2017 08:16 PM)Obiwan Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 09:15 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  Fire Coach Mooney!! Oh wait.

Still laughing at this - reading this thread and all our Bipolar fans is hilarious

Youre about as knowledgeable on psychology as you are on college hoops.

If anything this fanbase is the exact opposite of bi-polar. The people who want a new coach still want a new coach and that never changed.

The people who think he's a good coach still, for some inexplicable reason, still think he is and we just need more time.

I see no one changing their opinion although I do see fans deciding that they are impressed which is their right to do.

So be it.

(12-07-2017 08:26 PM)LuckyLion Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 09:59 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 09:50 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I think this year is a real anomaly for Mooney. He's had a ton of 20+ winning seasons at Richmond. I doubt he's going anywhere.

He makes $1.2 million and hasn’t been to the tourney since his Sweet 16 run in 2011.

Good God, how does this man have a job? 7 years with no NCAA Tournament? I thought it was written in stone that you must go at least every 4 years or be fired? I read that....somewhere. He is even in a multi bid league.

We will be there soon enough. Then what will you say? Will he still just need more time?

(12-07-2017 08:01 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 07:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 07:46 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 07:03 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 06:31 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Do you seriously believe that coaches have no effect on the confidence of their players? Or that confidence has no effect on performance? I know there isn't a player confidence metric that you can look up, but you must understand that there is a psychology element to performance. You can argue that JJ's style and system are not a problem in that regard, but you cannot deny that psychology matters.

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Then Fields and Haynes should be great shooters because they fire at will?

Or how about that green is a freahman and will go through ups and downs (hell, all players do). This thought that Green was a great shooter that all of a sudden cant shoot because JJs offensive system is really dumb and just an excuse to blame Jones for things.

You conveniently avoided my question.

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Do coaches help or hurt players confidence was the question? Its possible. Would we be able to know if there were? No.

The questions were:
Does psychology affect performance?
Do coaches affect psychology?

As I said, you can argue whether or not you think JJ has a negative effect on the confidence of some players. I obviously think he does, but I'm not there watching everyday either, so there is room for me to be wrong. I laid out my opinion on how his style affects confidence. If you are interested in making an argument that opposes mine I think that would be interesting to read, but just laughing off the idea altogether, as though a coach plays no role in a player's confidence, is a completely unfounded position.

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His assertion that a coach may not be able to effect a players psyche might be the single dumbest thing ever posted on this board.

Absolute insanity.