(11-27-2017 12:29 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 12:22 PM)bronconick Wrote:  Tennessee's AD should've been fired for not leaking the job offer to check the outcry.

Imagine every employer "leaking" their hires to their customers for approval. If it sounds unethical, illegal, and just utterly ridiculous there, why is it the norm in higher ed, especially with athletics personnel?

I believe the politically correct term would be "floating a trial balloon". Leaking just has such a bad connotation these days.

(11-27-2017 10:12 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I think some people wanted to discount his success at Rutgers and that not carrying the weight it once had. Some people will never look at Rutgers in a positive way, but Schiano silenced those humbugs legitimately with his success there. When that reason didn't go over, yeah, get more dirty, and now blame it on his past at Penn State.

I'm not surprised by any of it, really. Rhule's another that I would fully expect to see this kind of stuff come up at one of those ridiculous fan-crazy schools. His horrible year at Baylor is going to go a long way...I suspect that since he played for both Joe and Jerry at Penn State, some schools wouldn't touch him, either.

That's a big part of it. As I mentioned earlier per recruiting, capabilities are transferable to nearby regions, and Tennessee searches broadly for recruits beyond the home state, including GA, FL, and the Carolinas.
That noted, fans and boosters have poisoned this prospect, so the handling of it went sour fast. I really believe the school's leadership was looking to bring organizational control back to the program itself as a prime focus.
Schiano had prior offers, but seemed to be holding out for major school such as Tennessee.
Derek Dooley had good results at LA Tech before going to UT. Butch Jones had his prior successes. The specific fundamentals of college football don't radically change. The pressure, politics, recruiting demands, hiring top assistants, PR expectations, and interference, do escalate at upwards and more prominent places.

(11-27-2017 11:53 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:03 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  I am excited to see Bob Diaco named UT head coach in about 6 weeks when everybody else turns them down.

Ty Willingham is rested and available.

Give you credit, you didn't mention Charlie Weis. Kansas got Charlie after Turner Gill.
Some places pay little attention to expiration dates.

(11-27-2017 01:19 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Wetzel essentially said that he would be the first person to slam anyone that covered up anything at Penn State (and he has done so in the past), but that it was simply unfair what has been happening to Schiano.

Schiano should have won some Big East titles at Rutgers, then he'd be the embattled new coach at Tennessee.

(11-27-2017 05:54 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 01:19 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Wetzel essentially said that he would be the first person to slam anyone that covered up anything at Penn State (and he has done so in the past), but that it was simply unfair what has been happening to Schiano.

Schiano should have won some Big East titles at Rutgers, then he'd be the embattled new coach at Tennessee.

So in essence, it is Mark Dantonio's and Brian Kelly's fault that Schiano was not hired by Tennessee.

(a win over Cincinnati would have given Rutgers a Big East title in both 2006 and 2008)

(11-27-2017 06:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 05:54 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 01:19 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Wetzel essentially said that he would be the first person to slam anyone that covered up anything at Penn State (and he has done so in the past), but that it was simply unfair what has been happening to Schiano.

Schiano should have won some Big East titles at Rutgers, then he'd be the embattled new coach at Tennessee.

So in essence, it is Mark Dantonio's and Brian Kelly's fault that Schiano was not hired by Tennessee.

(a win over Cincinnati would have given Rutgers a Big East title in both 2006 and 2008)

Pretty much. If Tennessee had hired Art Bleeping Briles, there would be a lot less uproar. But they didn't--they went with Randy Edsall version 2.0.

(11-27-2017 06:19 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 06:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 05:54 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 01:19 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Wetzel essentially said that he would be the first person to slam anyone that covered up anything at Penn State (and he has done so in the past), but that it was simply unfair what has been happening to Schiano.

Schiano should have won some Big East titles at Rutgers, then he'd be the embattled new coach at Tennessee.

So in essence, it is Mark Dantonio's and Brian Kelly's fault that Schiano was not hired by Tennessee.

(a win over Cincinnati would have given Rutgers a Big East title in both 2006 and 2008)

Pretty much. If Tennessee had hired Art Bleeping Briles, there would be a lot less uproar. But they didn't--they went with Randy Edsall version 2.0.

Sorry but Randy Edsall is a poor mans Greg Schiano

UT is the 6.5 who thinks she's Amber Heard and is shocked when no one wants to deal with her BS aside from the dude looking for a one-nighter (Kiffin) or says he has a big package when he doesn't (Dooley). On the flip side Mississippi State is a 5, but owns it and you don't mind that much since she has an awesome personality even if you won't stay with her forever (Mullen).

(11-27-2017 07:20 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Sorry but Randy Edsall is a poor mans Greg Schiano

Doesn't Edsall have a winning record head to head?

(11-27-2017 07:20 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 06:19 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 06:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 05:54 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 01:19 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Wetzel essentially said that he would be the first person to slam anyone that covered up anything at Penn State (and he has done so in the past), but that it was simply unfair what has been happening to Schiano.

Schiano should have won some Big East titles at Rutgers, then he'd be the embattled new coach at Tennessee.

So in essence, it is Mark Dantonio's and Brian Kelly's fault that Schiano was not hired by Tennessee.

(a win over Cincinnati would have given Rutgers a Big East title in both 2006 and 2008)

Pretty much. If Tennessee had hired Art Bleeping Briles, there would be a lot less uproar. But they didn't--they went with Randy Edsall version 2.0.

Sorry but Randy Edsall is a poor mans Greg Schiano

Edsall was 50-37 (57%) in the post-Miami Big East from 2004-10. Schiano was 60-40 (60%) in the post-Miami Big East from 2004-11. So Schiano is Randy Edsall version 2.0--some minor upgrades, but the same basic product.

(11-27-2017 09:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 07:20 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 06:19 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 06:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 05:54 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Schiano should have won some Big East titles at Rutgers, then he'd be the embattled new coach at Tennessee.

So in essence, it is Mark Dantonio's and Brian Kelly's fault that Schiano was not hired by Tennessee.

(a win over Cincinnati would have given Rutgers a Big East title in both 2006 and 2008)

Pretty much. If Tennessee had hired Art Bleeping Briles, there would be a lot less uproar. But they didn't--they went with Randy Edsall version 2.0.

Sorry but Randy Edsall is a poor mans Greg Schiano

Edsall was 50-37 (57%) in the post-Miami Big East from 2004-10. Schiano was 60-40 (60%) in the post-Miami Big East from 2004-11. So Schiano is Randy Edsall version 2.0--some minor upgrades, but the same basic product.

Wait so the guy with the better record is the 2.0? Which one got the NFL gig?

(11-27-2017 09:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 09:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 07:20 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 06:19 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 06:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  So in essence, it is Mark Dantonio's and Brian Kelly's fault that Schiano was not hired by Tennessee.

(a win over Cincinnati would have given Rutgers a Big East title in both 2006 and 2008)

Pretty much. If Tennessee had hired Art Bleeping Briles, there would be a lot less uproar. But they didn't--they went with Randy Edsall version 2.0.

Sorry but Randy Edsall is a poor mans Greg Schiano

Edsall was 50-37 (57%) in the post-Miami Big East from 2004-10. Schiano was 60-40 (60%) in the post-Miami Big East from 2004-11. So Schiano is Randy Edsall version 2.0--some minor upgrades, but the same basic product.

Wait so the guy with the better record is the 2.0? Which one got the NFL gig?

You failed to answer my question......what's the head to head between Edsall & Schiano?

(11-27-2017 09:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 09:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 07:20 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 06:19 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 06:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  So in essence, it is Mark Dantonio's and Brian Kelly's fault that Schiano was not hired by Tennessee.

(a win over Cincinnati would have given Rutgers a Big East title in both 2006 and 2008)

Pretty much. If Tennessee had hired Art Bleeping Briles, there would be a lot less uproar. But they didn't--they went with Randy Edsall version 2.0.

Sorry but Randy Edsall is a poor mans Greg Schiano

Edsall was 50-37 (57%) in the post-Miami Big East from 2004-10. Schiano was 60-40 (60%) in the post-Miami Big East from 2004-11. So Schiano is Randy Edsall version 2.0--some minor upgrades, but the same basic product.

Wait so the guy with the better record is the 2.0? Which one got the NFL gig?

Yes, Schiano had a trivially better record. On the other hand, Edsall won or shared the league title twice. They both went on to bigger jobs and flopped--Edsall flopped in the ACC, SChiano in the NFL.

What does it say about Schiano's position in the coaching job market that his defenders have to go with "somewhat better than Randy Edsall"?

Greg Schiano is not some really good candidate who Tennessee's idiot fans ran off. He's a really mediocre candidate who Tennessee's idiot fans ran off.

(11-27-2017 10:01 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 09:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 09:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 07:20 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 06:19 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Pretty much. If Tennessee had hired Art Bleeping Briles, there would be a lot less uproar. But they didn't--they went with Randy Edsall version 2.0.

Sorry but Randy Edsall is a poor mans Greg Schiano

Edsall was 50-37 (57%) in the post-Miami Big East from 2004-10. Schiano was 60-40 (60%) in the post-Miami Big East from 2004-11. So Schiano is Randy Edsall version 2.0--some minor upgrades, but the same basic product.

Wait so the guy with the better record is the 2.0? Which one got the NFL gig?

Yes, Schiano had a trivially better record. On the other hand, Edsall won or shared the league title twice. They both went on to bigger jobs and flopped--Edsall flopped in the ACC, SChiano in the NFL.

What does it say about Schiano's position in the coaching job market that his defenders have to go with "somewhat better than Randy Edsall"?

Greg Schiano is not some really good candidate who Tennessee's idiot fans ran off. He's a really mediocre candidate who Tennessee's idiot fans ran off.

Oh please, GTFOH! He's a good coach who was able to get top quality NFL talent to come to Rutgers.

(11-27-2017 10:01 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 09:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 09:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 07:20 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 06:19 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Pretty much. If Tennessee had hired Art Bleeping Briles, there would be a lot less uproar. But they didn't--they went with Randy Edsall version 2.0.

Sorry but Randy Edsall is a poor mans Greg Schiano

Edsall was 50-37 (57%) in the post-Miami Big East from 2004-10. Schiano was 60-40 (60%) in the post-Miami Big East from 2004-11. So Schiano is Randy Edsall version 2.0--some minor upgrades, but the same basic product.

Wait so the guy with the better record is the 2.0? Which one got the NFL gig?

Yes, Schiano had a trivially better record. On the other hand, Edsall won or shared the league title twice. They both went on to bigger jobs and flopped--Edsall flopped in the ACC, SChiano in the NFL.

What does it say about Schiano's position in the coaching job market that his defenders have to go with "somewhat better than Randy Edsall"?

Greg Schiano is not some really good candidate who Tennessee's idiot fans ran off. He's a really mediocre candidate who Tennessee's idiot fans ran off.

Oh please, GTFOH! He's a good coach who was able to get top quality NFL talent to come to Rutgers.

Both Schiano and Edsall failed pretty badly at their next stops, but consider this: Edsall's next job after Maryland was the Director of Football Research (???) for the Detroit Lions, and that was because the GM was a UConn-guy. Schiano's first job after Tampa Bay was the Defensive Coordinator for the Ohio State University.

Schiano was also pretty regularly rumored for other big jobs when at Rutgers (I immediately think of Miami and Penn State). Edsall, other than Notre Dame sniff after Weis and - eventually - Maryland, was never really rumored for the bigger P5 jobs (correct me if I'm wrong). Edsall's first year back at UConn also didn't reveal any game-changing coaching abilities.

If I had to pick Schiano or Edsall, I would pick Schiano.

The take of my son, who lives in Knoxville, is:

Quote: Schiano: all packed up, heading your way

Tennessee: new phone, who dis?

(11-27-2017 07:45 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  UT is the 6.5 who thinks she's Amber Heard and is shocked when no one wants to deal with her BS aside from the dude looking for a one-nighter (Kiffin) or says he has a big package when he doesn't (Dooley). On the flip side Mississippi State is a 5, but owns it and you don't mind that much since she has an awesome personality even if you won't stay with her forever (Mullen).

UT may be a 6.5, but their fans are butt ugly (and have a personality to match).

(11-27-2017 10:01 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 09:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 09:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 07:20 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 06:19 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Pretty much. If Tennessee had hired Art Bleeping Briles, there would be a lot less uproar. But they didn't--they went with Randy Edsall version 2.0.

Sorry but Randy Edsall is a poor mans Greg Schiano

Edsall was 50-37 (57%) in the post-Miami Big East from 2004-10. Schiano was 60-40 (60%) in the post-Miami Big East from 2004-11. So Schiano is Randy Edsall version 2.0--some minor upgrades, but the same basic product.

Wait so the guy with the better record is the 2.0? Which one got the NFL gig?

Yes, Schiano had a trivially better record. On the other hand, Edsall won or shared the league title twice. They both went on to bigger jobs and flopped--Edsall flopped in the ACC, SChiano in the NFL.

What does it say about Schiano's position in the coaching job market that his defenders have to go with "somewhat better than Randy Edsall"?

Greg Schiano is not some really good candidate who Tennessee's idiot fans ran off. He's a really mediocre candidate who Tennessee's idiot fans ran off.

Schiano actually has a really good track record given the following:

• 68-67 at rutgers, where he was 3-20 his first two years (with Terry Shea's 1AA caliber teams). Take those two seasons out and he's 65-47.
• Tampa Bay. Too much of a control freak to succeed in the NFL
  

DC at Miami, Assistant coach at Penn State, DC at Ohio State. Pretty successful in that role.

He may be a better coordinator than head coach, but he achieved at Rutgers what his 3 predecessors (Anderson, Graber and Shea) could not do -- win more games than he lost. Take his first two seasons out and he's got a good overall record.

Track record Rutgers v UConn from 2001 is 6-6. We definitely had some WTF losses in that series, sometimes they were clearly better than us. The year that UConn won the Big East, we beat them (a year they were better than us). It probably would have evolved into a rivalry had we stayed in the American (the I-95 battle?)

(11-28-2017 09:34 AM)megadrone Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 10:01 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 09:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 09:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 07:20 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Sorry but Randy Edsall is a poor mans Greg Schiano

Edsall was 50-37 (57%) in the post-Miami Big East from 2004-10. Schiano was 60-40 (60%) in the post-Miami Big East from 2004-11. So Schiano is Randy Edsall version 2.0--some minor upgrades, but the same basic product.

Wait so the guy with the better record is the 2.0? Which one got the NFL gig?

Yes, Schiano had a trivially better record. On the other hand, Edsall won or shared the league title twice. They both went on to bigger jobs and flopped--Edsall flopped in the ACC, SChiano in the NFL.

What does it say about Schiano's position in the coaching job market that his defenders have to go with "somewhat better than Randy Edsall"?

Greg Schiano is not some really good candidate who Tennessee's idiot fans ran off. He's a really mediocre candidate who Tennessee's idiot fans ran off.

Schiano actually has a really good track record given the following:

• 68-67 at rutgers, where he was 3-20 his first two years (with Terry Shea's 1AA caliber teams). Take those two seasons out and he's 65-47.
• Tampa Bay. Too much of a control freak to succeed in the NFL
  

DC at Miami, Assistant coach at Penn State, DC at Ohio State. Pretty successful in that role.

He may be a better coordinator than head coach, but he achieved at Rutgers what his 3 predecessors (Anderson, Graber and Shea) could not do -- win more games than he lost. Take his first two seasons out and he's got a good overall record.

Track record Rutgers v UConn from 2001 is 6-6. We definitely had some WTF losses in that series, sometimes they were clearly better than us. The year that UConn won the Big East, we beat them (a year they were better than us). It probably would have evolved into a rivalry had we stayed in the American (the I-95 battle?)

the overall record for him after 2 years may be great, but in conference play he was only 28-34 in that period.. With only 2 5 win seasons. Overall record quite frankly is a garbage metric because of all the garbage OOC games you play.