Using third-hand testimony of one person (ignoring the countless man-hours of background checking spent by multiple organizations previously) to defame someone as a protector of child rapists just to cover up the real reason you protest the hire is WAY over the line.

Protest and state your REAL reason, not hide behind distant, unverified hearsay for character assassination.

That fan base is towing a very thin line in the coaching circles. The Cuonzo craziness was strike 1. This is strike 2.

I am excited to see Bob Diaco named UT head coach in about 6 weeks when everybody else turns them down.

Live picture of the Tennessee coaching search

Apparently, that human pus bag Clay Travis was a leader of the campaign against Greg Schiano.

I have no dog at all in this fight, but usually whatever Clay Travis is for, I am generally against.

(11-26-2017 09:17 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:04 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:00 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Greg Schiano should give up coaching football and go sell used cars or something.

It's pretty clear he'll never sit in the big chair again.

Don't dream, it's over, Greg.

Yeah, you can suck and if you hang around long enough, eventually someone will give you a shot.

Or you can be a complete garbage fire of a human being, and people will overlook that if you win.

But you can't do both.

How does he suck? He completely turned Rutgers around going to 7 bowl games in his last 8 years. Yes the overall record doesn't look good because they stunk his first 3 years before he got his players in.

Seriously, this is just dumb. He's not the first college coach to completely fail at the NFL level cough Saban cough.

No one here gets that he had NFL talent flowing through Rutgers and turned the program into a winner

I think he'd be a great head coach choice...maybe Nebraska will get him if they don't get Scott Frost

I think some people wanted to discount his success at Rutgers and that not carrying the weight it once had. Some people will never look at Rutgers in a positive way, but Schiano silenced those humbugs legitimately with his success there. When that reason didn't go over, yeah, get more dirty, and now blame it on his past at Penn State.

I'm not surprised by any of it, really. Rhule's another that I would fully expect to see this kind of stuff come up at one of those ridiculous fan-crazy schools. His horrible year at Baylor is going to go a long way...I suspect that since he played for both Joe and Jerry at Penn State, some schools wouldn't touch him, either.

(11-27-2017 08:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Apparently, that human pus bag Clay Travis was a leader of the campaign against Greg Schiano.

I have no dog at all in this fight, but usually whatever Clay Travis is for, I am generally against.

From my outside view, this all looks like a post-hoc campaign to try to use off-the-field innuendo to get out of a hire that is turning out to be unpopular with a fan base for purely on-the-field football reasons. If the basis of all of this controversy was truly a moral objection, then that would be one thing, but this all seems to be rooted in it being an unpopular *football* hire and UT is now trying to get out of its deal by slinging mud. Now, this is a big school in the SEC, so *someone* will take that job, but it's hard to see how they're going to get anyone with better credentials than Schiano at this point.

On a side note (and I said this on Twitter), it absolutely boggles my mind that there is at least one fan base (whether college or pro) that convinces themselves every single year that Jon Gruden is going to leave his cushy Monday Night Football job to return to coaching. How many open jobs (and we're talking about Dallas Cowboys/Notre Dame-level jobs) does this guy have to ignore before people are convinced that the guy actually likes getting paid millions of dollars to be on TV with little stress and a fraction of the workload and travel (especially compared to college recruiting)? Gruden has a John Madden-like salary with 100% job security - he *knows* that he has an insanely good gig (which is why he has turned down jobs waaaaay better than the Tennessee job for many years).

(11-26-2017 10:01 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Apparently someone testified that someone else told them that Schiano as a 22 year old assistant may have seen something and didn't say something.

That is a pretty thin reed to to hold onto when trashing someone's reputation and future career prospects with a Twitter torch and pitchfork mob.

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I'm no lawyer, but I think Schiano has grounds for a lawsuit. He has been slandered.

(11-27-2017 10:30 AM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:01 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Apparently someone testified that someone else told them that Schiano as a 22 year old assistant may have seen something and didn't say something.

That is a pretty thin reed to to hold onto when trashing someone's reputation and future career prospects with a Twitter torch and pitchfork mob.

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I'm no lawyer, but I think Schiano has grounds for a lawsuit. He has been slandered.

Absolutely. Add this into the fact that this likely gets Currie canned as well, and Tennessee will be ponying up for Jones' buyout, Currie's buyout, any damages to Schiano, the new AD salary/contract and the new football coaches' salary/contacts.

What a way to spend money!

(11-27-2017 11:30 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 10:30 AM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:01 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Apparently someone testified that someone else told them that Schiano as a 22 year old assistant may have seen something and didn't say something.

That is a pretty thin reed to to hold onto when trashing someone's reputation and future career prospects with a Twitter torch and pitchfork mob.

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I'm no lawyer, but I think Schiano has grounds for a lawsuit. He has been slandered.

Absolutely. Add this into the fact that this likely gets Currie canned as well, and Tennessee will be ponying up for Jones' buyout, Currie's buyout, any damages to Schiano, the new AD salary/contract and the new football coaches' salary/contacts.

What a way to spend money!

The thing about a lawsuit is I don't think Schiano wants to open up what would be pandoras box. Because you know that's what would happen with regards to the Penn St situation. He's really in a bad position to push the issue that much.

(11-27-2017 11:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 11:30 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 10:30 AM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:01 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Apparently someone testified that someone else told them that Schiano as a 22 year old assistant may have seen something and didn't say something.

That is a pretty thin reed to to hold onto when trashing someone's reputation and future career prospects with a Twitter torch and pitchfork mob.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

I'm no lawyer, but I think Schiano has grounds for a lawsuit. He has been slandered.

Absolutely. Add this into the fact that this likely gets Currie canned as well, and Tennessee will be ponying up for Jones' buyout, Currie's buyout, any damages to Schiano, the new AD salary/contract and the new football coaches' salary/contacts.

What a way to spend money!

The thing about a lawsuit is I don't think Schiano wants to open up what would be pandoras box. Because you know that's what would happen with regards to the Penn St situation. He's really in a bad position to push the issue that much.

It also makes him a lot less attractive to interested programs. Even if he has proper standing, it doesn't look good to sue a potential employer.

(11-27-2017 11:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 11:30 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 10:30 AM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:01 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Apparently someone testified that someone else told them that Schiano as a 22 year old assistant may have seen something and didn't say something.

That is a pretty thin reed to to hold onto when trashing someone's reputation and future career prospects with a Twitter torch and pitchfork mob.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

I'm no lawyer, but I think Schiano has grounds for a lawsuit. He has been slandered.

Absolutely. Add this into the fact that this likely gets Currie canned as well, and Tennessee will be ponying up for Jones' buyout, Currie's buyout, any damages to Schiano, the new AD salary/contract and the new football coaches' salary/contacts.

What a way to spend money!

The thing about a lawsuit is I don't think Schiano wants to open up what would be pandoras box. Because you know that's what would happen with regards to the Penn St situation. He's really in a bad position to push the issue that much.

All he needs is a threat and the school would settle. Tennessee doesn't want that box opened either.

(11-26-2017 11:03 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  I am excited to see Bob Diaco named UT head coach in about 6 weeks when everybody else turns them down.

Ty Willingham is rested and available.

(11-27-2017 10:29 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 08:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Apparently, that human pus bag Clay Travis was a leader of the campaign against Greg Schiano.

I have no dog at all in this fight, but usually whatever Clay Travis is for, I am generally against.

From my outside view, this all looks like a post-hoc campaign to try to use off-the-field innuendo to get out of a hire that is turning out to be unpopular with a fan base for purely on-the-field football reasons. If the basis of all of this controversy was truly a moral objection, then that would be one thing, but this all seems to be rooted in it being an unpopular *football* hire and UT is now trying to get out of its deal by slinging mud. Now, this is a big school in the SEC, so *someone* will take that job, but it's hard to see how they're going to get anyone with better credentials than Schiano at this point.

On a side note (and I said this on Twitter), it absolutely boggles my mind that there is at least one fan base (whether college or pro) that convinces themselves every single year that Jon Gruden is going to leave his cushy Monday Night Football job to return to coaching. How many open jobs (and we're talking about Dallas Cowboys/Notre Dame-level jobs) does this guy have to ignore before people are convinced that the guy actually likes getting paid millions of dollars to be on TV with little stress and a fraction of the workload and travel (especially compared to college recruiting)? Gruden has a John Madden-like salary with 100% job security - he *knows* that he has an insanely good gig (which is why he has turned down jobs waaaaay better than the Tennessee job for many years).

Agreed. The whole "Its Gruden!!!" phenomenon among a number of fan bases is pretty inexplicable to me.

The guy was not that good of a coach, has been out of coaching forever and (as you say) has ignored a number of open jobs already.

But, the next open job will likely also have its own "Its Gruden!"" zombie like rumor involved.

(11-27-2017 11:41 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 11:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing about a lawsuit is I don't think Schiano wants to open up what would be pandoras box. Because you know that's what would happen with regards to the Penn St situation. He's really in a bad position to push the issue that much.

All he needs is a threat and the school would settle. Tennessee doesn't want that box opened either.

There's a line for everything that shouldn't be crossed. Even for the PSU-Sandusky thing. And, yeah, Tennessee may be crossing that.

Schiano's one of the lucky ones because he made a name for himself outside of PSU, doing well at Rutgers and getting a shot at the pro's. Tennessee and their hee-haw fans pulling this stuff can get called out; highly amateurish how they let it slip out there. Now, guys like Bradley, Vanderlinden...they may find position or coordinator work, but they'll never HC again, and the schools who pull the same stuff on those guys are just better at hiding their work at keeping such controversy away.

(11-27-2017 08:49 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:17 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:04 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:00 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Greg Schiano should give up coaching football and go sell used cars or something.

It's pretty clear he'll never sit in the big chair again.

Don't dream, it's over, Greg.

Yeah, you can suck and if you hang around long enough, eventually someone will give you a shot.

Or you can be a complete garbage fire of a human being, and people will overlook that if you win.

But you can't do both.

How does he suck? He completely turned Rutgers around going to 7 bowl games in his last 8 years. Yes the overall record doesn't look good because they stunk his first 3 years before he got his players in.

Seriously, this is just dumb. He's not the first college coach to completely fail at the NFL level cough Saban cough.

No one here gets that he had NFL talent flowing through Rutgers and turned the program into a winner

I think he'd be a great head coach choice...maybe Nebraska will get him if they don't get Scott Frost

Biggest knock on Schiano -- never won the Big East (although his successor Won a share of the title the season following Schiano's departure) and some bone-headed coaching decisions.

If there was ever ANY REASON to call his ethics into question, the hostile NJ media would have found it and done so in his 11 year tenure at Rutgers. Another thing that most non-NJ residents don't realize is the relationship between the NJ press and Rutgers athletics. What Julie Herrmann didn't do to herself, the Newark Star-Ledger was only too happy to step up to the plate and help run her out of town.

(11-27-2017 11:41 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  it doesn't look good to sue a potential employer.

You can kiss working in higher ed goodbye after that one, for sure.

Much like recruiting violations, and how everyone is guilty of it, so too are schools with personnel records and confidentiality. I wish more people would blow the whistle on higher ed for it. Even in HR circles, higher ed HR is a joke, and General Counsel is equally incompetent...but, then, in organizations where the administrative head of faculty are the second-most powerful roles, the problems create themselves...subject experts shouldn't be in charge of business operations, and coaches are usually an extension of faculty.

Tennessee's AD should've been fired for not leaking the job offer to check the outcry.

(11-27-2017 12:22 PM)bronconick Wrote:  Tennessee's AD should've been fired for not leaking the job offer to check the outcry.

Imagine every employer "leaking" their hires to their customers for approval. If it sounds unethical, illegal, and just utterly ridiculous there, why is it the norm in higher ed, especially with athletics personnel?

FWIW, Dan Wetzel was just interviewed on WSCR in Chicago (which shows how national of a story this is when a Tennessee football coaching decision is the primary topic on the day after a Bears game). Wetzel is probably the reporter that knows more about the Sandusky/Penn State story than anyone (as he was one of the few reporters that was allowed to attend the actual Sandusky criminal trial) and has been extremely harsh against Penn State and Paterno regarding the scandal. Despite all of this backdrop, Wetzel *very* strongly defended Schiano on the grounds that there was simply no evidence in all of his years of reporting and research regarding the scandal. Wetzel pointed out that McQueary had provided more testimony than any single other person in the entire scandal across multiple criminal and civil trials over several years, yet the only mention of Schiano at all was the single hearsay reference that is being pounced on today. Schiano also was as high of a profile person and wealthy as anyone that could even conceivably have been connected to the Penn State scandal, so if there was anything that could have been dug up by either prosecutors or plaintiffs' attorneys, it would have been done so long ago. Ultimately, Wetzel said that no one can ever know whether Schiano actually did cover anything up, but Wetzel strongly believed that there is absolutely no way that people could come to that conclusion based on the evidence (or lack thereof). Wetzel essentially said that he would be the first person to slam anyone that covered up anything at Penn State (and he has done so in the past), but that it was simply unfair what has been happening to Schiano.