(11-26-2017 07:43 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 07:31 PM)Guardian Wrote:  Two seasons removed from 3 straight 10-win seasons... from an outsider perspective, that's not too bad.

2013 5 wins came against teams with losing records and one FCS team
2014 6 wins came against teams with losing records
2015 7 wins came against teams with losing records and one FCS team

While 10 win seasons are good, I want to see CUSA improve so there are very few teams with losing records, at that point can Doc still win 10 games? If 2017 is any indication, no.

Hey Copernicus, most winning teams have lots of wins against losing teams. That's what makes them losing teams and winning teams.

If losing teams didn't lose, they wouldn't be losing teams.
If winning teams didn't win, they wouldn't be winning teams.

2017
Alabama 6 wins against losing teams and one FCS team.
Ohio State 6 wins against losing teams.
Wisconsin 6 wins against losing teams.

I mean, you could look it up.

I'm not defending Coach Holliday. I'm attacking your goofy logic.

We'll trade Docs with you. Yeah, ours is basketball, but maybe your football Doc could coach our basketball team better than our basketball Doc.

This is very much like the ECU situation. I will be happy if Legg is gone, but people do forget the success Doc has had. I think the 3 10-win seasons are justified, but I will clarify that Legg needs to go because he is the weak link on this team.

The problem is threefold: First, Bill Legg needs to get the hell out of town most riki-tik. Second, Doc seems to not want to pull the trigger on his ol' chum. Third, we have a pompous, egomaniacal windbag for an AD.

AT MINIMUM, the only fix is this:

1. President Gilbert tells Hamrick to shut that huge gaping hole under his nose and apologize to the fans and do everything necessary via actions to get back into the fanbase's good graces.
2. Fire Legg (and if Doc won't, then tell him he's going also)
3. Hire a sharp, young OC and Doc stays out of his way and lets him run the offense.

(11-27-2017 09:23 AM)Stick4489 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 07:43 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 07:31 PM)Guardian Wrote:  Two seasons removed from 3 straight 10-win seasons... from an outsider perspective, that's not too bad.

2013 5 wins came against teams with losing records and one FCS team
2014 6 wins came against teams with losing records
2015 7 wins came against teams with losing records and one FCS team

While 10 win seasons are good, I want to see CUSA improve so there are very few teams with losing records, at that point can Doc still win 10 games? If 2017 is any indication, no.

Hey Copernicus, most winning teams have lots of wins against losing teams. That's what makes them losing teams and winning teams.

If losing teams didn't lose, they wouldn't be losing teams.
If winning teams didn't win, they wouldn't be winning teams.

2017
Alabama 6 wins against losing teams and one FCS team.
Ohio State 6 wins against losing teams.
Wisconsin 6 wins against losing teams.

I mean, you could look it up.

I'm not defending Coach Holliday. I'm attacking your goofy logic.

Thanks for attacking me. I went back and found errors

2013 6 wins came against teams with losing records and one FCS team. 1 - 4 vs. teams with winning records
2014 9 wins came against teams with losing records and one FCS Team. 3 - 1 vs. teams with winning records
2015 7 wins came against teams with losing records and one FCS team. 2 - 3 vs. teams with winning records.

Now for your "GOOFY" logic.

Quote:Alabama 6 wins against losing teams and one FCS team. 4 - 1 vs. teams with winning records
Ohio State 6 wins against losing teams. 4 - 2 vs. teams with winning records
Wisconsin 6 wins against losing teams. 6 - 0 vs. teams with winning records

The point of Doc racking up wins against teams with losing records is; those are games he's supposed to win, his record is padded in the 10 win seasons mainly due to scheduling patsy's for OOC. Doc does NOT have a winning record over that span v. teams with winning records. The three teams you cited DO have winning records against teams WITH winning records. Also all three have at least 1 win against ranked teams.

(11-26-2017 08:03 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 01:41 PM)Noodles Wrote:  Ever heard of Ruffin McNeil?

me thinks ECU is missing him at this point.....

be careful what you wish for comes to mind....

I guess I understand MU's frustration to a point.......but not to the point of 'go fund a firing'

This is my fear to the T. Doc has proven he "can" win. I am A OK with keeping him, but yeah some changes need to be made. Offense has to be addressed, there is no friggin excuse for an offense that has "play makers" to rank that low overall. 7-5 beats the hell outta 3-9 but its not what this team was capable of and the fans know it. From stubborn play calling (calling the same play after it doesn't work the first time, doesn't mean it will finally work the 20th time), to lack of execution that I lay mostly on position coaches, we had no position that shined all season, absolutely none on the offense.

IMO if Doc wants to keep people happy, something has to give on offense. Defense is what kept us in games, and special teams won us a few. We had two games that we just gave to the other team, UTSA and USM. Yeah special teams and defense let the team down a little those games but if the offense would do its job, a win was on the table. Another we gave due to turnovers galore (FIU). They deserved it more than we did, that's all I can say, BUT to say firing Doc is the answer, well it isn't the answer. IMO the answer is to pressure Doc into making changes, status quo since Cato graduated isn't getting it done.

How is the fund me bullsh** going..$500.00 dollars can't do much my friend..can't you see no one is interested in your hatred for Doc..and talk about built in wins,what about the MAC?.8 built in wins per year Guaranteed..so take your little band of fools and head for morgantown where you belong.

It has just been confirmed that the hated OC isn't the guy who's been calling plays all season. He's been on the sidelines and "another guy" has been calling plays. It's Doc's style of football from the era that he loves. It doen't work anymore. run run pass punt. It's on him and only on him. But you guys keep spouting your opinions while nothing gets done and nothing gets said by anyone at Marshall.

They're going to try to smooth all this over with a bowl win and have the stupidity to believe that makes any difference. Meanwhile the Joan will remain empty and so will the quality win column.

(11-30-2017 06:34 PM)Robyn Wrote:  How is the fund me bullsh** going..$500.00 dollars can't do much my friend..can't you see no one is interested in your hatred for Doc..and talk about built in wins,what about the MAC?.8 built in wins per year Guaranteed..so take your little band of fools and head for morgantown where you belong.

Says the guy who can't be bothered to fill in that he roots for Marshall, let alone go to games or support the Herd in any meaningful fashion. Wish we had 38,000 just like you....oh wait, we do.

(12-01-2017 06:34 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 06:34 PM)Robyn Wrote:  How is the fund me bullsh** going..$500.00 dollars can't do much my friend..can't you see no one is interested in your hatred for Doc..and talk about built in wins,what about the MAC?.8 built in wins per year Guaranteed..so take your little band of fools and head for morgantown where you belong.

Says the guy who can't be bothered to fill in that he roots for Marshall, let alone go to games or support the Herd in any meaningful fashion. Wish we had 38,000 just like you....oh wait, we do.

the little band of fools strikes back..haha..the only problem Marshall has is the Millennials and snowflakes we have for fans that have everything handed to them.

(12-01-2017 09:26 AM)Robyn Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 06:34 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 06:34 PM)Robyn Wrote:  How is the fund me bullsh** going..$500.00 dollars can't do much my friend..can't you see no one is interested in your hatred for Doc..and talk about built in wins,what about the MAC?.8 built in wins per year Guaranteed..so take your little band of fools and head for morgantown where you belong.

Says the guy who can't be bothered to fill in that he roots for Marshall, let alone go to games or support the Herd in any meaningful fashion. Wish we had 38,000 just like you....oh wait, we do.

the little band of fools strikes back..haha..the only problem Marshall has is the Millennials and snowflakes we have for fans that have everything handed to them.

Being a diehard fan of a G5 school is hard and you are wrong..nothing is handed to you. Another thing, it took me 2 Marshall vs Western games to know what play Marshall was running 80% of the time. I say 2 games because the first one I was sitting in the corner of the endzone in the visitor section at the Joan. Not the best views. My home seats at Western is dead 50 yardline lower level but at just the right depth to see plays develop at the line and after the snap.

It was so easy calling the plays most of the time..if I can do that any coach can also. With a great QB you might get away with it. Without one you wont.

Same thing with Western's running game this year...predicable at the snap where it was going. COACHING MATTERS. If Western with this coach can win 4 games in this conference....

a season coach running the same system for 8 years now...should have won at the very least 6 conference games this season. Being a Marshall fan or a fan of any G5 school...especially one that you spend hard earn dollars on for season tickets. Is not easy and nothing is handed to you....if anything you are taken advantage of

(12-01-2017 06:31 AM)MUther Wrote:  It has just been confirmed that the hated OC isn't the guy who's been calling plays all season. He's been on the sidelines and "another guy" has been calling plays. It's Doc's style of football from the era that he loves. It doen't work anymore. run run pass punt. It's on him and only on him. But you guys keep spouting your opinions while nothing gets done and nothing gets said by anyone at Marshall.

They're going to try to smooth all this over with a bowl win and have the stupidity to believe that makes any difference. Meanwhile the Joan will remain empty and so will the quality win column.

Where did you find this information about Legg not calling the plays?

(12-01-2017 06:31 AM)MUther Wrote:  It has just been confirmed that the hated OC isn't the guy who's been calling plays all season. He's been on the sidelines and "another guy" has been calling plays. It's Doc's style of football from the era that he loves. It doen't work anymore. run run pass punt. It's on him and only on him. But you guys keep spouting your opinions while nothing gets done and nothing gets said by anyone at Marshall.

They're going to try to smooth all this over with a bowl win and have the stupidity to believe that makes any difference. Meanwhile the Joan will remain empty and so will the quality win column.

So that is where Mike Sanford got his offensive philosophy! It is all becoming clear to me now.

(12-01-2017 10:25 AM)Surbadger Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 06:31 AM)MUther Wrote:  It has just been confirmed that the hated OC isn't the guy who's been calling plays all season. He's been on the sidelines and "another guy" has been calling plays. It's Doc's style of football from the era that he loves. It doen't work anymore. run run pass punt. It's on him and only on him. But you guys keep spouting your opinions while nothing gets done and nothing gets said by anyone at Marshall.

They're going to try to smooth all this over with a bowl win and have the stupidity to believe that makes any difference. Meanwhile the Joan will remain empty and so will the quality win column.

Where did you find this information about Legg not calling the plays?

Curious about that myself.

Just so i know..what Quality wins are you snowflakes talking about??

I think Doc should get an extension

(12-01-2017 08:32 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  I think Doc should get an extension

Agree, I think he'd look good sporting a ponytail.

Mike Hamrick has done more at MU than the previous 3 AD’s combined.

(11-26-2017 01:11 PM)MUther Wrote:  https://www.gofundme.com/replacedoc

Sounds like it is time to replace your wife.

(12-02-2017 08:40 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  Mike Hamrick has done more at MU than the previous 3 AD’s combined.

Mike Hamrick has destroyed our football program, and under his leadership most of our sports are terrible, to clarify, that means they suck. He is arrogant ,and has been a loser everywhere he has been.